Suffern, NY – Many Rockland residents walked out of a forum yesterday on the mistaken bombing of a U.S. spy ship more than 40 years ago, accusing the group holding the talk of fomenting anti-Semitism in a largely Jewish community just days before the start of the Jewish new year.
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More than 100 people attended the forum at the Suffern Free Library – many leaving in anger before the talk ended.
The forum was ostensibly a discussion of the attack on the USS Liberty, which was in waters off the coast of Israel during the Six-Day War in 1967. But many attending the forum said it was a thinly veiled attack on American Jews and the state of Israel.
“Their real agenda is, ‘Why is Israel allowed to exist at all,’ ” said Helga Pamm of Suffern as she left the meeting in disgust. “It’s pure anti-Semitism.”
Others asked why the group went to Suffern in the town of Ramapo, which has a large Jewish population, on a Saturday – the Jewish Sabbath – just before tomorrow night’s start of the most important observance of the year.
“They just want to cause trouble,” said Aaron Kramer, a Korean War veteran from Monsey.
Others said they found the forum thought-provoking.
“I was very impressed,” said Bob Davidson, who said he drove from his home in Dutchess County to hear the talk. “Obviously, the American people were never told the truth about what happened. We need a congressional investigation to get to the bottom of this. I want answers.”
The veterans who sponsored the forum will speak this morning at Memorial United Methodist Church in White Plains and this afternoon at the Fellowship of Reconciliation in Upper Nyack.
The Suffern forum was punctuated by angry outbursts including calls that the organizers were liars and were portraying half-truths as facts. At times, as many as six Suffern police officers were in the hallway outside.
Forum organizers, including Rich Siegel, told the audience that they could not ask questions during the presentation. Instead, they were instructed to write questions on cards collected by forum organizers to be read at the end.
Many objected.
“So you can say whatever you want and no one can challenge you?” one man called out to loud applause.
Two men who said they were on the Liberty when it was attacked on June 8, 1967, the fourth day of the Six-Day war, gave their accounts of what happened and why they didn’t think it was an accident.
The Liberty, a technical research ship, was bombed by Israeli warplanes in what both the Israeli and U.S. governments said after investigations was a case of mistaken identity during the confusion of war. The attack killed 34 Liberty crew members and wounded 171.
The Israel government apologized for the attack and paid reparation to the U.S. government and victims’ families. Israel and the United States have always been strong allies.
Some American groups -including the organizers of yesterday’s forum – contend that the attack was a result of a government conspiracy that has yet to be brought to light. But they offered no conclusive reason why Israel would purposely attack its strongest ally.
“The attack was not an accident,” said speaker Rocky Sturman, who said he was on the Liberty during the attack. “It was deliberate.”
One of the speakers, Ernie Gallo, who also said he was on the Liberty during the attack, told the audience that both governments lied about the incident.
“It appears to us that Americans aboard the crew of the USS Liberty were sacrificed to the Israelis,” Gallo said.
He then told the audience – most of whom said they were Jewish – that if Jews put their allegiance to Israel first, they should leave America.
“So anyone who supports Israel should leave America?” shouted Walter Greenberg of Airmont, a Holocaust survivor who said he was so upset by the group that he left the room.
“They are really using code words to say that Jews are second-class citizens,” he said as he left.
Gallo said Israeli forces were aware that they were firing on a U.S. ship.
“We were safe target practice for the IDF (Israel Defense Forces),” he said, adding that the attack on the Liberty was part of a larger pattern of conspiracies in the Middle East.
“The attack was a microcosm of what happened in June 1967,” Gallo said. “Something diabolical changed at that time.”
To prove their contention that the U.S. government was involved in a cover-up, Gallo and Sturman said they and other survivors were prevented by the government from asking questions in public about the incident.
“Like you’re preventing us from asking questions now,” an audience member said to cheers.
Many in the audience said they were angry that the library allowed the group to use the room.
“What’s going to be next?” said Dan Kwilecki of Montebello. “A meeting of the American Nazi Party?”
Mechalel Shabbos aher, Mechalel Shabbos ahin: They’ll always fight for the Jewish pride within.
i would suggest that all jewish people should get them selfs passports because this is the same exact scenarios that played out before world war II broke out
Ernie Gallo said “that if Jews put their allegiance to Israel first, they should leave America.”
Gallo? What kind of name is that? Sounds Italian to me!
And, given Italy’s propensity to switch sides during major wars, nobody of Italian extraction has any right to lecture American Jews about loyalty to America!
There have been many investigations into the USS Liberty, all of them concluded that the ship was warned to stay out of free fire war zone and ignored warnings. The Liberty was not an innocent ship that just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time–it was a NSA spy ship actively collecting data.
Ernie Gallo said: “that if Jews put their allegiance to Israel first, they should leave America.”
Gallo? What kind of name is Gallo? It sounds Italian to me!
Given Italy’s propensity to switch sides during major wars, nobody of Italian extraction has any right to lecture American Jews about loyalty to America.
Who organized this meeting? Must be the same nutbars who spend their time on computers in their mothers’ basements discussing 9-11 and how Israel and America were responsible. Sick people with mental health issues. They really want attention, cuz they have such insignificant lives.
As Obama would call them “bitter poeple”…
The facts:
The Egyptians and Jordanians, blockaded the straights of Tiran in May. Nobody (The UN) did anything. Egypt told the UNEF peace keeping forces, in the Sinai since 1957, we would like to wipe Isreal off the face of the map, you’re in our way please leave. The UNEF left. The Syrians, Jordanians, and Egyptians became the unites Arab Republic for the purpose of wiping Israel off the map. The UN and US did nothing. Nasser moved 1000 tanks and 100,000 troops into the Sinai. The UN and US did nothing. Israel sends army chief Rabbi Goren to inspect which national parks can easily be converted into cemeteries for the expected 10,000 dead. The war starts and the Israelis are fighting for survival on three fronts. The Israelis encounter a ship flying the American flag in a war zone, a place where it’s not supposed to be. The ship has intelligence gathering equipment, purpose unknown. Choices: A) Leave it be, and risk adding to the expected 10,000 dead. B) Blow it out off the water and risk ticking off an ally, but potentially saving thousands of your own citizens if the ship is not what it’s supposed to be. Choice???
I was in the room and I can honestly say that the people claiming to be victims were actually the instigators of the problem. Once again their crys of anti semitism were used to vail their loyalty to Israel over the United States. The fact is they were rude, disrespectful and dishonorable and did not give the veterans of the USS Liberty the respect they deserved. Unfortunately, the seeds off anti semitism may have been planted that day, by the semites themselves.
These guys were also at a church in White Plains. This is getting to be like the Hoffa conspiracy or who killed JFK. It was an unfortunate friendly fire accident, which happens in the heat of battle.
Didn’t the US accidently bomb and kill soldiers in our coalition in Iraq? I can’t remember if they were Canadian or British, but it happened a few years ago.
James Bamford, in his second book about the National Security Agency _Body of Secrets_, alleges that Israel deliberately attacked the Liberty so they wouldn’t see that the Israeli army was committing war crimes. However, his sole source for this is various BBC reports. The NSA museum, on the other hand, has an exhibit about the Liberty which says nothing of the sort.
If I recall correctly, the IAF released the tapes of the pilots communications a few years back. They seemed to confirm the long held belief that it was an accident.
If the United States was gathering information and giving it to Israel’s enemies then the United States should come clean. If Israel knew that it was attacking an American ship then they should come clean. Either BOTH sides are hiding something or BOTH sides are saying the truth. Those who were on the ship should also tell us what they were doing. They claim that they were prevented by the government from asking questions in public about the incident. Were they also prevented from telling us what they were doing on that day on that ship? I don’t give Israel right if they knew that it was an American ship, but without us knowing who knew what, it is only being used for anti-Semitic purposes. Ask all those who condemned Israel on this, what their personal opinion is about Israel in general and you’ll be enlightened.
“if you’ve ever been to a library lately you”ll notice it is run by liberals”
yeah, because only liberals like to read, learn and think. try it sometime.
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