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Lawrence, NY - Authorities: Obscene Billboard Is legal And Unlikely To Be Removed

Published on: November 19, 2008 09:35 AM
By: The Jewish Star By Michael Orbach
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Lawrence, NY - She’s 10 feet tall, not wearing much at all, and as of Tuesday night, despite the combined efforts of community activists, government officials, and local lawmakers to apply pressure, apparently not going anywhere.

‘She’ is the billboard that for the past month or so has been heralding the Platinum Club on Rockaway Turnpike. It has not been taken town and immediate plans to have it removed have stalled.

“The more first amendment research I do the less optimistic I get,” said Legislator Jeff Toback. His original hope was that the billboard, which is on the Rosedale, Queens side of the border, had been put up without permission from the New York City Department of Buildings and could therefore be ordered to be taken down.

Toback has since learned that the Building Dept. only regulates the size of billboards, and not their content. So far as the city is concerned the billboard is permissible. Toback’s next option, a legal battle against the club on the grounds of freedom of commercial speech, is a process he is not excited about, though he has assembled a team of lawyers to work on it, he said.

In addition to the billboard itself, two signs with similar images are posted alongside Rockaway Turnpike.

Sheila Selig, a Lawrence resident who said that she has looked into the matter on behalf of a group of women who found the sign offensive, said that she had spoken with the owner of the building, whom she described as “a very fine individual,” and whose attorney she said was attempting to find a resolution with the owner of the club. However, she said, the owner cautioned that if the billboard and the signs are legal, which they appear to be, there is not much that can be done to force their removal.

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Genaro Morales, who identified himself to The Nassau Herald as a spokesperson for Dominica O’Neill, the owner of the Platinum Club, said that the billboard was protected speech and would not be taken down.

O’Neill, of Yonkers, was identified in the Westchester County Business Journal as a vice president of Casanova Entertainment, which was sued in 2006 by the city of New Rochelle for having a gentleman’s club, in violation of that city’s zoning ordinances. The club, which was located opposite a Planned Parenthood day care center, lost the lawsuit and was forced to close.

Morales is a former New York City police officer, and a partner in real estate properties in Massachusetts with Selim “Sam” Zherka, according to The Journal News, a Westchester daily newspaper.

Zherka, according to the New York Post on Nov. 5, is the owner of the VIP Club and Cheetah’s, two gentleman’s clubs in New York City. He is also the publisher of a weekly newspaper, The Westchester Guardian.

Zherka has denied that he is the owner of Casanova Entertainment, the company behind the defunct New Rochelle club, and the company that O’Neill of the Platinum Club has been associated with. The chairman of the Yonkers Republican Committee, John Jacono, claimed last year that Zherka, through Casanova and other companies he owns, was a major supporter of a Democrat candidate for Yonkers mayor.

Five Towns residents seem to be adapting and dealing with the billboard’s unwanted presence. Earlier this month the sewer construction on Rockaway Turnpike shifted to an evening schedule as planned, so drivers won’t necessarily be stuck at the Rockaway Turnpike and Brookville Boulevard intersection near the billboard. Some residents say they have taken to using a different route to bypass the sign completely when practical.

Rabbi Hershel Billet of the Young Israel of Woodmere calls the billboard offensive to a morally healthy society.

“But just removing the poster is not the solution,” he told The Jewish Star. “There are other posters all over the place. Censorship is never a solution. Our kids are exposed all the time when they walk in the street or surf the Internet. The challenge for parents and educators is how to strengthen our kids internally so that they are not affected emotionally or morally by what they see. Parents must set a good personal example in the way they dress and in the way they spend their leisure time. There should be parental controls over Internet use. We must provide each child with the strength and knowledge of how to resist the temptations of our very open society.”



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 Nov 19, 2008 at 09:45 AM Big Masmid Says:

this is most likely a test to see who will continue traveling past this ugly billboard and Chas V'Sholom be Over a Luv in the Torah, and who will be STRONG and careful.

Our children are being taught by example, dont think for one minute if a parent continues driving by this Toavah it wont effect the Noeshomas of your family.

The Yatzer Hora is being horrible to us, he is testing us much to much, his final day is almost here, when Moshiach arrives his mission will be over, Klall yisroel hold on a little bit longer, dont give in to the Yatzer Hora, and you will be saved together with your family. Amen

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 Nov 19, 2008 at 09:44 AM Anonymous Says:

How would Willi deal with this?

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 Nov 19, 2008 at 09:40 AM Anonymous Says:

Let's face it - being in a medinah shel chessed is a double-edged sword. The same freedoms that allow us to practice our religion freely allow others to post these billboards. I'd rather it be this way than how it was in Europe.

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 Nov 19, 2008 at 09:52 AM Anonymous Says:

Economics works better than censorship. If people stop driving there, i.e. stop shopping in that area-Kas Carpet, KMart etc.-pressure will be brought to bear by these store owners on their neighbor.

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 Nov 19, 2008 at 09:50 AM bestwatchman Says:

finally a rabbi with his head on straight, Billet, way to go

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 Nov 19, 2008 at 09:49 AM Expatriate Owl Says:

I am a proponent of free speech. I believe that the Platinum Club owners have the right to have their sign.

I also believe that we have the right to photograph and/or videograph the "gentlemen" who patronize the Platinum Club (and their automobiles and license tags thereof) and post those photographs/videos on our own billboards and web pages.

The remedy for free speech is more free speech!

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 Nov 19, 2008 at 09:58 AM M. Richter Says:

Looks like this will be a fact at least for the immidiete future. We better get used to it because with such opponants even Williamsburg & Flatbush wouldn't be able to do anything.

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 Nov 19, 2008 at 10:10 AM Anonymous Says:

If the sign bothers people but it is leagle than the resonable thing to do is for the people who are upset to pay the club for a change. Instead of spending mony on a lexus use the savings toward paying off the club. Instaed of all the jewlary, use the money to pay off the club. instead of the 10 peice band use the money to pay the club... ect. ect. ect. let your money talk and show what you really think is important

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 Nov 19, 2008 at 10:04 AM 770 Says:

Reply to #6  
Expatriate Owl Says:

I am a proponent of free speech. I believe that the Platinum Club owners have the right to have their sign.

I also believe that we have the right to photograph and/or videograph the "gentlemen" who patronize the Platinum Club (and their automobiles and license tags thereof) and post those photographs/videos on our own billboards and web pages.

The remedy for free speech is more free speech!

so why dont you voice your opinion and ask for a removal of this dirty bill board

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 Nov 19, 2008 at 10:21 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #8  
Anonymous Says:

If the sign bothers people but it is leagle than the resonable thing to do is for the people who are upset to pay the club for a change. Instead of spending mony on a lexus use the savings toward paying off the club. Instaed of all the jewlary, use the money to pay off the club. instead of the 10 peice band use the money to pay the club... ect. ect. ect. let your money talk and show what you really think is important

good point however im wondering why he placed it over there who is his target customers? if they pass by there or live there then i guess thats the area you live in, it wouldnt pay for them to post this if it dosent bring them sales so who are they targeting there? maybe they can also help them find a better target area? if it costs a bit more then maybe its worth to pay them the additional funds to post it elsewhere.

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 Nov 19, 2008 at 10:09 AM Anonymous Says:

To #4 Why would you shop at Kas Carpet owned by arabs when you can shop at Pearl Carpet owned by Shomrei Torah U'mitzvos????

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 Nov 19, 2008 at 10:08 AM murray Says:

Reply to #3  
Anonymous Says:

Let's face it - being in a medinah shel chessed is a double-edged sword. The same freedoms that allow us to practice our religion freely allow others to post these billboards. I'd rather it be this way than how it was in Europe.

They are 'selling" a legal product-"club for Gentlemen"- What would you have them display a picture of--maybe a Nun, or a tree, a waffle? Don't have to stare and drool at it, its your own weakness. just ignore it, and stop wasting your time with non-issues.

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 Nov 19, 2008 at 10:08 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #6  
Expatriate Owl Says:

I am a proponent of free speech. I believe that the Platinum Club owners have the right to have their sign.

I also believe that we have the right to photograph and/or videograph the "gentlemen" who patronize the Platinum Club (and their automobiles and license tags thereof) and post those photographs/videos on our own billboards and web pages.

The remedy for free speech is more free speech!

At last, someone with a great practical idea. Now if you make an arrangement with local papers they may publish the names...it has been done before. And posters all over the neighborhood...you can really go a long way with this.

Committee members, take note. Join together & follow through. These seedy men don't want to be outed & if revenues drop the billboard may come down.

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 Nov 19, 2008 at 10:08 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #6  
Expatriate Owl Says:

I am a proponent of free speech. I believe that the Platinum Club owners have the right to have their sign.

I also believe that we have the right to photograph and/or videograph the "gentlemen" who patronize the Platinum Club (and their automobiles and license tags thereof) and post those photographs/videos on our own billboards and web pages.

The remedy for free speech is more free speech!

Be careful, there are rules against defamation, invasion of privacy and harassment. What if you post someone's picture and name and the only reason the person was going into the club was because he's a fire department inspector checking the fire exits, or a plumber going to fix a leak. Besides, is that really the appropriate way to act? Wouldn't your plan be Lashon Hara? Why do you want to humiliate someone else? Just don't look at the billboard and teach your children why you believe it is wrong and demeaning to women.

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 Nov 19, 2008 at 10:05 AM Deepthinker Says:

When it suits them, Democrat legislators have no problem censoring the free speech of conservative talk-show hosts, like Rush Limbaugh and Mike Savage. Senator Shumer calls this "Pornographic Speech."

However, Shumer would never censor real pornography, like this billboard.

Rabbi Billet is a very nice gentleman, but he doesn't understand the cold realities of living in a Sodomite society, where children are at risk every day.

"Self control" by vulnerable, inexperienced young children is no substitute for government protection of their right to walk the streets, without being assaulted by this pernicious filth.

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 Nov 19, 2008 at 10:41 AM Reb Moshe Says:

Reply to #3  
Anonymous Says:

Let's face it - being in a medinah shel chessed is a double-edged sword. The same freedoms that allow us to practice our religion freely allow others to post these billboards. I'd rather it be this way than how it was in Europe.

In Europe they killed the "Body". These signs are killing the "Soul".

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 Nov 19, 2008 at 11:05 AM Eight On Target Says:

Reply to #6  
Expatriate Owl Says:

I am a proponent of free speech. I believe that the Platinum Club owners have the right to have their sign.

I also believe that we have the right to photograph and/or videograph the "gentlemen" who patronize the Platinum Club (and their automobiles and license tags thereof) and post those photographs/videos on our own billboards and web pages.

The remedy for free speech is more free speech!

The comment quoted is the only one that is 100%, right on target and the ONLY solution that can possibly work.

In a free society we can use our own power of free speech and "free photographs and publicity", to 100% totally shut down this so called "gentleman's club".

If we do what we need to do, we will not only remove the billboard but remove the entire club.

Since no frum yid wants to stand at the door of such a disgusting place, we need to hire a Goy, or two goyim, one with a still Camera 24/7 (yes, that is very expensive but WORKS 100%) and another person with a Video Camera and put up our own billboards (web sites) of all the people who enter the club and to send copies to the clients, wives of the men who enter and family and perhaps even their place of employment and their friends and neighbors (of the home residence) of the clients.

As a results of the frum communities fighting them, with out own form of protected "free speech" billboards, this place will be shut down 100% guranteed.

Hopefully, as soon as the club sees that we hired a team of 24/7 Goyim to do this and that we have the funding and willingness to carry through, they will gladly agree to comply with community wishes, to avoid the economic devastation to their club.

If every potential client in to that club, knows, that his picture and video will be publicized to his wife and family, they may not stop doing what they are doing, but they certainly will not be going to THIS club any more and so the business (at this location) will be totally trashed as a result of the frum community "free speech" publicity.

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 Nov 19, 2008 at 11:14 AM Anonymous Says:

The club has been there for years, but the kids had no idea what it was because the signs, and marquee werent this graphic. The current poster, leaves virtually nothing to the imagination.

Using the threat that #6 advocates would be a lot more effective in getting the owner to use a more toned down version of the billboard. Even if there was a valid legal challenge it would take too long to go that route.

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 Nov 19, 2008 at 11:23 AM Avraham Says:

Reply to #15  
Deepthinker Says:

When it suits them, Democrat legislators have no problem censoring the free speech of conservative talk-show hosts, like Rush Limbaugh and Mike Savage. Senator Shumer calls this "Pornographic Speech."

However, Shumer would never censor real pornography, like this billboard.

Rabbi Billet is a very nice gentleman, but he doesn't understand the cold realities of living in a Sodomite society, where children are at risk every day.

"Self control" by vulnerable, inexperienced young children is no substitute for government protection of their right to walk the streets, without being assaulted by this pernicious filth.

Sorry, but there is no "right" to walk the streets without being "assaulted" by what is - by your OPINION - pernicious filth. The fact of the matter is, the same rights that allow your children to walk the streets dressed in their traditional clothing and to practice their religion freely also allow the owners of Platinum Club to advertise.

If you don't like it, don't look at it. If you worry for your kids, EDUCATE THEM.

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 Nov 19, 2008 at 11:24 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #17  
Eight On Target Says:

The comment quoted is the only one that is 100%, right on target and the ONLY solution that can possibly work.

In a free society we can use our own power of free speech and "free photographs and publicity", to 100% totally shut down this so called "gentleman's club".

If we do what we need to do, we will not only remove the billboard but remove the entire club.

Since no frum yid wants to stand at the door of such a disgusting place, we need to hire a Goy, or two goyim, one with a still Camera 24/7 (yes, that is very expensive but WORKS 100%) and another person with a Video Camera and put up our own billboards (web sites) of all the people who enter the club and to send copies to the clients, wives of the men who enter and family and perhaps even their place of employment and their friends and neighbors (of the home residence) of the clients.

As a results of the frum communities fighting them, with out own form of protected "free speech" billboards, this place will be shut down 100% guranteed.

Hopefully, as soon as the club sees that we hired a team of 24/7 Goyim to do this and that we have the funding and willingness to carry through, they will gladly agree to comply with community wishes, to avoid the economic devastation to their club.

If every potential client in to that club, knows, that his picture and video will be publicized to his wife and family, they may not stop doing what they are doing, but they certainly will not be going to THIS club any more and so the business (at this location) will be totally trashed as a result of the frum community "free speech" publicity.

Have you run this idea past a reliable lawyer before making the suggestion? Or did you hope it is not a problem and if it is someone else who took your idea and ran with it will find out as soon as s/he tries it?

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 Nov 19, 2008 at 11:23 AM Bar26 Says:

"'Morals' is [indeed] a FORMER ... polic(e)"y and values.

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 Nov 19, 2008 at 11:33 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #19  
Avraham Says:

Sorry, but there is no "right" to walk the streets without being "assaulted" by what is - by your OPINION - pernicious filth. The fact of the matter is, the same rights that allow your children to walk the streets dressed in their traditional clothing and to practice their religion freely also allow the owners of Platinum Club to advertise.

If you don't like it, don't look at it. If you worry for your kids, EDUCATE THEM.

Or move. There is no mitzvah yishuv eretz lawrence. Many of us had parents and/or grandparents who went hungry even here in America rather than work on Shabbos. Is moving worse than starving? Is exposing your kids to pornogrophy less of a problem than chilul shabbos?

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 Nov 19, 2008 at 12:01 PM Anonymous Says:

all you guys are crazy. this is america kuk nisht vu vdarf nisht, (if it bothers you) go live in a 15 century hut in the middle east (like iran ect.) c'mon!!!!!

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 Nov 19, 2008 at 12:10 PM DEEPTHINKER Says:

Dear Avraham:

In the 1950's, before the Liberals took over this country, the police would arrest you for "indecent exposure" on the street, and a radio station could be shut down for using obscene language.

All of this is permitted today in our "anything goes" Pagan society

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 Nov 19, 2008 at 12:45 PM Five Towns Since Birth Says:

Reply to #18  
Anonymous Says:

The club has been there for years, but the kids had no idea what it was because the signs, and marquee werent this graphic. The current poster, leaves virtually nothing to the imagination.

Using the threat that #6 advocates would be a lot more effective in getting the owner to use a more toned down version of the billboard. Even if there was a valid legal challenge it would take too long to go that route.

I grew up in the five towns, and I agree. (I actually thought I was such a smart aleck when I finally figured it out.
We do have to educate our children about outside influences, but we also have to protect them. I completely disagree with the Jewish Star. You cannot properly raise children when a old fashioned times square type atmosphere gets rammed down your throat.
Also, maybe a 15 year old (who I still believe should not be exposed) can be explained this. But how does the Jewish Star and the other people here expect us to explain this type of thing to a six or seven year old? Do they let their children go to pornographic movies because, "hey, it's there! Let's not be so protective"?
There are enough challenges out there to raise good children nowadays, we do not need any more.

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 Nov 19, 2008 at 12:54 PM Anonymous Says:

There are a lot of wealthy people in the five towns. Let them get a ton of money and pay the guy to take down the sign.

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 Nov 19, 2008 at 12:50 PM DizzyIzzy Says:

Reply to #19  
Avraham Says:

Sorry, but there is no "right" to walk the streets without being "assaulted" by what is - by your OPINION - pernicious filth. The fact of the matter is, the same rights that allow your children to walk the streets dressed in their traditional clothing and to practice their religion freely also allow the owners of Platinum Club to advertise.

If you don't like it, don't look at it. If you worry for your kids, EDUCATE THEM.

Of course ... you're certainly right, and the owner certainly has the right to install any sign within the zoning code.

The question, however, is about responsible corporate citizenship.

This "gentlemen's club" has been there for many years, with nondescript signage. to be sure, parents have plenty of opportunities to EDUCATE their children about the realities of the world. And until a few weeks ago, had the luxury of not having to EDUCATE to their children about stores that sell women dancing without clothes.

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 Nov 19, 2008 at 12:50 PM It only requires MONEY to fix the problem Says:

Reply to #20  
Anonymous Says:

Have you run this idea past a reliable lawyer before making the suggestion? Or did you hope it is not a problem and if it is someone else who took your idea and ran with it will find out as soon as s/he tries it?

To comment # 20

If anyone wants to "take the idea and run with it" to hire people 24/7, obviously they have very deep pockets to fund it.

These same "deep pockets", will spend a fraction of 1% of their funds, to run it by an attorney to make sure to proceed in such a manner which is protected by the law.

If you have the money, then getting an attorney to specify the precise technical minor hairline details, of exactly how to photograph and publicize, is not problem at all.

But nothing can begin before there is a willingness and a determination for people to put their money where their mouth is.

All it takes is money.

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 Nov 19, 2008 at 12:41 PM Anonymous Says:

So let me get this straight. You are mad at the club so lets possible ruin the patrons lives? Destroy marriages (which are, in my guess, already on shaky ground if the men are frequenting such a place)? Destroy reputations of men who might be there for no reason other than delivering a package, fixing a sink or repairing a floor?

Ok, the sign is a bother. I agree I would not want my child looking at it on a regular basis. However destroying innocents is not a torah mentality. The idea to pay off the club maybe on to something. There is a mitzvah to ransom captives. If you truly feel that this sign is making you or your families "captive" in an unsafe environment, pay the "ransom". Whether you like it or not, money talks!

In fact, why stop and getting the sign moved? Make a huge offer on the building that the owner can not refuse and get rid of the whole club. Solves the problem, and then you can open a new Beit Midrash instead.

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 Nov 19, 2008 at 01:23 PM murray Says:

Reply to #29  
Anonymous Says:

So let me get this straight. You are mad at the club so lets possible ruin the patrons lives? Destroy marriages (which are, in my guess, already on shaky ground if the men are frequenting such a place)? Destroy reputations of men who might be there for no reason other than delivering a package, fixing a sink or repairing a floor?

Ok, the sign is a bother. I agree I would not want my child looking at it on a regular basis. However destroying innocents is not a torah mentality. The idea to pay off the club maybe on to something. There is a mitzvah to ransom captives. If you truly feel that this sign is making you or your families "captive" in an unsafe environment, pay the "ransom". Whether you like it or not, money talks!

In fact, why stop and getting the sign moved? Make a huge offer on the building that the owner can not refuse and get rid of the whole club. Solves the problem, and then you can open a new Beit Midrash instead.

Ransoming the sign is a Great idea. Thank you. I am immediately going into the business of opening and closing lewd billboards $$$$$

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 Nov 19, 2008 at 01:32 PM The Truth Says:

Reply to #6  
Expatriate Owl Says:

I am a proponent of free speech. I believe that the Platinum Club owners have the right to have their sign.

I also believe that we have the right to photograph and/or videograph the "gentlemen" who patronize the Platinum Club (and their automobiles and license tags thereof) and post those photographs/videos on our own billboards and web pages.

The remedy for free speech is more free speech!

#6 - Right on target!

We don't need to go down the full path, just take some picture of the people who visit & 'blackmail' them & the club to take down the sign. After all, its free speech to show pictures of public places (outside the club). Most of the people wont want to loose their reputation (if they have one) and the club wont want to loose its patrons!
As for innocent people getting caught - any fool can prove if he's there on a real job assignment.
Money talks - and its the patrons of the club who's money will talk the loudest.

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 Nov 19, 2008 at 01:17 PM Allan Says:

Reply to #29  
Anonymous Says:

So let me get this straight. You are mad at the club so lets possible ruin the patrons lives? Destroy marriages (which are, in my guess, already on shaky ground if the men are frequenting such a place)? Destroy reputations of men who might be there for no reason other than delivering a package, fixing a sink or repairing a floor?

Ok, the sign is a bother. I agree I would not want my child looking at it on a regular basis. However destroying innocents is not a torah mentality. The idea to pay off the club maybe on to something. There is a mitzvah to ransom captives. If you truly feel that this sign is making you or your families "captive" in an unsafe environment, pay the "ransom". Whether you like it or not, money talks!

In fact, why stop and getting the sign moved? Make a huge offer on the building that the owner can not refuse and get rid of the whole club. Solves the problem, and then you can open a new Beit Midrash instead.

Very interesting post and ideas.

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 Nov 19, 2008 at 01:11 PM Allan Says:

Unless the OrthodoxJewish community can gather support from other religions and their spokesmen this attempt to stop the club from using the sign will fail. This should not be a Jewish only issue if they feel it is wrong. Without the support of other religious leaders that may feel the same as the Jewish community does this won't work and will certainly breed more anti-semitic feelings.

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 Nov 19, 2008 at 02:12 PM Britanny Says:

Lawrence is not Ocean Grove NJ. which, years ago was closed to vehicular traffic. Lawrence is NOT Seagate, which is private property.. It is an incorporated village in th county of Nassau in the State of NY. If Davis could finance HALB & Shor Yeshuv and a chocolate business he could buy the building and do whatever he pleases with it.

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 Nov 19, 2008 at 02:06 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #28  
It only requires MONEY to fix the problem Says:

To comment # 20

If anyone wants to "take the idea and run with it" to hire people 24/7, obviously they have very deep pockets to fund it.

These same "deep pockets", will spend a fraction of 1% of their funds, to run it by an attorney to make sure to proceed in such a manner which is protected by the law.

If you have the money, then getting an attorney to specify the precise technical minor hairline details, of exactly how to photograph and publicize, is not problem at all.

But nothing can begin before there is a willingness and a determination for people to put their money where their mouth is.

All it takes is money.

It wouldn't take money.

It would take a few nudniks.

The 'tzni'us patrols' in EY don't seem to be very well funded.

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 Nov 19, 2008 at 02:46 PM Anonymous Says:

Easy and cheap solution.

Buy 50 paintball guns and plenty of pellets. Hand them to some kids and make it a project for target practice.

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 Nov 19, 2008 at 04:39 PM random jew Says:

Reply to #36  
Anonymous Says:

Easy and cheap solution.

Buy 50 paintball guns and plenty of pellets. Hand them to some kids and make it a project for target practice.

I was post #29 as well.

So we should teach our children to vandalize that with which we do not agree even if it is within their rights to put it there. Perhaps next we should give skinheads paintball guns and less them loose on a shul.

Two wrongs, (especially when one of them is a legal right that happens to be an unfriendly social wrong) never make a right.

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 Nov 19, 2008 at 11:22 PM r u serious Says:

Reply to #17  
Eight On Target Says:

The comment quoted is the only one that is 100%, right on target and the ONLY solution that can possibly work.

In a free society we can use our own power of free speech and "free photographs and publicity", to 100% totally shut down this so called "gentleman's club".

If we do what we need to do, we will not only remove the billboard but remove the entire club.

Since no frum yid wants to stand at the door of such a disgusting place, we need to hire a Goy, or two goyim, one with a still Camera 24/7 (yes, that is very expensive but WORKS 100%) and another person with a Video Camera and put up our own billboards (web sites) of all the people who enter the club and to send copies to the clients, wives of the men who enter and family and perhaps even their place of employment and their friends and neighbors (of the home residence) of the clients.

As a results of the frum communities fighting them, with out own form of protected "free speech" billboards, this place will be shut down 100% guranteed.

Hopefully, as soon as the club sees that we hired a team of 24/7 Goyim to do this and that we have the funding and willingness to carry through, they will gladly agree to comply with community wishes, to avoid the economic devastation to their club.

If every potential client in to that club, knows, that his picture and video will be publicized to his wife and family, they may not stop doing what they are doing, but they certainly will not be going to THIS club any more and so the business (at this location) will be totally trashed as a result of the frum community "free speech" publicity.

That is the answer ans I am willing to contribute to help fund such an effort

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 Nov 20, 2008 at 05:57 AM jack from Lawrence Says:

Reply to #1  
Big Masmid Says:

this is most likely a test to see who will continue traveling past this ugly billboard and Chas V'Sholom be Over a Luv in the Torah, and who will be STRONG and careful.

Our children are being taught by example, dont think for one minute if a parent continues driving by this Toavah it wont effect the Noeshomas of your family.

The Yatzer Hora is being horrible to us, he is testing us much to much, his final day is almost here, when Moshiach arrives his mission will be over, Klall yisroel hold on a little bit longer, dont give in to the Yatzer Hora, and you will be saved together with your family. Amen

you obviously don't know what you are talking about. The billboard is on the only road that takes you out of the Five Towns/Far-Rockaway area, there is no other way.

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 Nov 20, 2008 at 05:13 AM Asken Says:

There is NO Mitzvah Yishuv Eretz Lawrence. Many of us had parents and/or grandparents who went hungry even here in America rather than work on Shabbos.

Is moving worse than starving?

Is exposing your kids to pornography less of a problem than Chilul Shabbos? dont for one second think its not effecting you your wife children and grandchildren, the Rabonim teachers,etc.

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 Nov 20, 2008 at 11:29 AM Milhouse Says:

Reply to #20  
Anonymous Says:

Have you run this idea past a reliable lawyer before making the suggestion? Or did you hope it is not a problem and if it is someone else who took your idea and ran with it will find out as soon as s/he tries it?

What possible legal problem could there be? Taking pictures in a public place is perfectly legal. Truth is an absolute defense against defamation. So what could be the problem? As for people whose marriages could be ruined, here's a simple solution: if you're going somewhere you know you shouldn't, and you see someone taking pictures of everyone who enters, TURN AROUND AND GO HOME Nobody is forcing you to enter and get your picture taken. If you're a plumber called to fix a leak, and you suspect that your wife won't believe you, then refuse the call. Tell them to get another plumber. And fire inspectors?! Give me a break.

It shouldn't have to cost all that much either. The cameramen don't have to be there 24/7, just at peak times. 12 to 2, and 5 to 11 should cover it.

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 Nov 20, 2008 at 02:57 PM Yoni Says:

Maybe you people can focus on actually driving instead of spacing out and looking at Billboards. No one in the 5 towns knows how to drive. It's pathetic.

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 Nov 21, 2008 at 08:24 AM BrooklynJew Says:

I am so happy I live in Brooklyn, keep my head down, go down the street to shul, to shop, avert my eyes from the signs, dont look at any of the women ( even the frum ladies ) etc..., my own little gehtto. Its a big FREE world out there, and I'm not in it - thank G-D. Out there its the free, socially liberal, anything goes America, where people can do and say what they want. Not here in Brooklyn. BTW: there are at least three other ways to get into and out of the 5 Towns if you want to - just burn some more gas.

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 Nov 23, 2008 at 06:05 PM Ohaiv Kesef Says:

#6, if they have unlimited freedom of press (which you misunderstood as speech) then there should be no reason for a ban on pornography to minors as well. Do you agree to that?

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