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Jerusalem – The leaders of the Haredi Community, have called on their public to donate money for the establishment of an alternative, kosher bus service to the Western Wall.
The community is outraged by the Egged bus company’s refusal to introduce a service that institutes separation between men and women.
A notice published in the congregation’s newspaper declared that Egged was “systematically trampling the spirit and holiness of the haredi public by forcing on it mixed journeys of promiscuity every day.” It further stated that every attempt by rabbis to negotiate a separate bus line with Egged had been rejected.
“Egged’s transportation of promiscuity is currently the number one enemy of haredi Judaism, and has already claimed many victims,” the ad continued.
According to the members of the “Mehadrin Committee” which issued the notice, experience has shown that the establishment of independent services in the past convinced Egged to operate similar services under the same terms.
Reportedly, a large sum of money has already been contributed by a Jewish American businessman who seeks to remain anonymous, but another $100,000 were still needed.
“We will soon begin operating an alternative service to line 2, which carries 20,000 people every day,” the rabbis stated.
Notably, Egged currently operates several “kosher” bus lines for the haredi community, but most of the ultra-Orthodox public does not approve of the service and it has not caught on.
Perhaps the charidis should ask the taliban for suggestions on how to keep the sexes seperate as they aren’t that far apart in thinking
Anyone who gives money for this is crazy. There are people hungrey in Yerushalaim and this is what they waste their money on!
I think we should have seperate communities for men and women. I can not stand the sight of women walking down the street.
Very good
These are pious men. Show them the respect they deserve.
Wow, the “Leaders of the Chareidi Community” I’d love to know who they are.
Separate bussing is a nice thing, but the majority of the Charaidi people dont even use the ones that already exist. Egged knows that the charaidim are the majority, by far, that use the #1 & #2 busses and it is a simple buissness decision not to make mehadrin lines.
I mknow that somehwere in Israel, Chilonim are thanking G-d for this. They are as repulsed by Chareidim as the Chareidim are by them. We’ve managed to destroy and uproot the “eida achat” the Torah envisioned for us.
No one is stopping anyone from making their own bus line. However do not impose your religous convictions upon others. Is a family not allowed to go to the Kosel together?????
It’s about time and just in time for the eminent arrival of Moshiach in order to have Jews going to the Kosel with Kedusha and Taharah. I support this idea 100%…. this will hopefully pave the way for our Tefilos to go up directly to heaven clean and pure.
My dear beloved brothers in Yerushalayim:
Thank you. You are providing the biggest toi’eles for klal yisroel. Very soon, anti-semitism will be obsolete. Why? Simple. There won’t be who to hate. Apparently, we are slowly converting to Islam.
“Egged’s transportation of promiscuity is currently the number one enemy of haredi Judaism, and has already claimed many victims” Are Charedim really that sex crazed that a bus ride will lead them to promiscuity? Anybody who donates to this should be institutionilized. Any Rabbi that supports this, should be stripped of his smicha.
oh please! get a life already!! first Lipa, then all concerts. tznius goon squads. separate buses, separate shopping hours & soon we’ll be having separate yichud rooms!
Who on earth are the “Mehadrin Committee?” Who appointed them?
I dont get it! Im around woman all my life never even once have I noiticed anyone of them bite!
The reason they are so scared of ladies is because “Zie Liggen In Taavois” RCHM”L. They are such great Baalie Taaveh that even the sight of a Tzniessdikeh Erlicher Frau causes them to lose control!
I dont see Erlichkiet in this, all I see is weakness as Yidden and weakness as human beings as a whole!
Let them take along a Sefer on the bus for a change and not be busy with all of thier surroundings, come on the train here in NY every day and you will see hundreds of Yingerliet sitting all around women and they r deeply engrossed in Limud Hatohreh! I think that is much more in line with the Rutzoin Hashem!
the yerushulaim leidegayers wich have too much time on there hands, are allways busy with other peoples znius. it was good for 80 years like this it should continue .R yosef chaim sonenfeld ZTL was ruv in yerushulaim and the buses was like this, a couple of fanatics come up with an idea and they think they are going to run the city and israel enough with these meshugoim there are people in israel who dont have bread and parnossa to give money for this ??? this is not tzedaka
its achzurias families father mother and children cant go together this fanatics forgot the posuk wich MOSHE RABBEINU SAID BINURENU UBISKAINEINU BBUNEINU UBENOISWNE TOGETHER WHEN FAMILIES GO TOGHETER THATS WHEN KI CHAG HASHEM LUNI
For those inclined (and able) to learn a little, see the Igros Moshe, E”H, Chelek Bais, Siman Yud Daled. In particular, see the second to last paragraph in which he disscusses men who can’t travel on a subway without hirhurim and why they have this problem. D.V.K.
The severe separation of men and woman is not normal and was not practiced by our forefathers, not in europe and not before. This is a modern invention. This is extremism. the word “promiscuous” does not and has never meant riding on a bus without a mechitzah.
“Egged’s transportation of promiscuity is currently the number one enemy of haredi Judaism, and has already claimed many victims,”
Sheesh. And I was spending all this time worrying about terrorism and the economy when all along the biggest threat facing our community is Egged. My brothers it is time to rise up and defend your families. Let us not waste our precious funds and resources on petty issues such as supporting yeshivas and other charitable causes when we can devote those resources to the mother of all causes – the new Mehadrin bus line. The bus line will be under hashgacha temidis of the Potzer Rebbe, Rav Toit Meshige.
Seat dedications are available.
I am in har nof all the time where there is a 15A bus – a chareidi bus with men sitting in the front and women entering and sitting in the rear. As an American I alway (out of respect) go in the back door and sit in the rear. I have to tell you though that most of the locals (Charedim, Chasidim, etc.) ignore the rules and sit and enter where they chose. So what does that tell us?
Is it more important to enforce arbitrary Taliban-esque rules (which appear nowhere in the torah, btw), or to feed the hungry. One more scam the haredi are trying to impose on the Israeli government that they do nothing to support.
I for one think this a great idea.
I wouldn’t want my wife and daughters anywhere men who have uncontrolable hirhurim when riding a public bus with fully clothed women.
For once I agree with the Charedim. They want to use their own money to run a bus company the way they see fit, Whats wrong with that? You don’t like the idea of separate seating then use your right to boycott it. All of you “free thinkers” who don’t listen or have to listen to any Rabbonim, you should at least respect their wishes.
You all sound like the Liberals, your pro choice as long as its your choice.
You know what I think we should divide the world up Men in one country and women in the other. Are you so weak that seeing a woman in the street or on a bus is a chilul hashem. Then do not go to a hospital or doctor’s office, or to a bank – for that matter cloister yourseles in your home. The true test of one’s emunah is to be able to combat all this in one’s mind.
Look at the bright side. They still let American Charaidi Bais Yaakov girls to ride the same bus as the Israeli Charaidi Bais Yaakov girls on the way to the school where they are not allowed to sit in the same classroom.
I think that there is good and bad in this idea.
The good is that they are finally taking the right approach. Rather than force the existing bus customers who don’t want mehadrin buses to sit separately, they are striving to start their own service. That’s all fine and well.
The bad, however, is that while the article does not explicitly say so, my guess (and that’s what it is) is that the service will not be able to run as a normal business but will have to be subsidized by charity dollars (or shekalim). Again, at some other time, that might not be a bad idea. But we have seen stories about how kollel stipends are being cut and some are even closing because contributions from wealthy people in the US and other parts of the world are drying up. I think the chareidim have to take a long, hard look at the situation, realize the resources are scarce and make a determination if this is really necessary at this time. Is it worth the closing of a kollel or two, or forcing a kollel family to have to cut food rations? Or, assuming the $100K can be raised, can the money be put to better use?
The Wolf
Egged is not a private company, its the public transportation for a secular state. Does anyone have a problem using the trains and subways in NY? Its “Ibergetribbene shtisim” , just something for the Kol Korehniks to be busy with. Go on any bus you’d like and just mind your own business. All others buy a one way ticket to Kabul or Tehran.
If they dont like it let them move to Afghanistan where they belong. We don’t have to pay for their crazy chumras.
I guess these buses will be safer, members only, meaning chareidim only, donations only,for legal reasons they won’t be allowed to charge a fair, no arab bombers allowed on.
For that alone it is a good charity. The fact that chareidi men around the world use public transport, including NY subway, see Igros Moshe Tshuvos, if it is efshar binyan acheir, the going that way is a rosha. Adding to it Chareidi women are probably cause more hirhurei Aveirah to chareidi men thhen Goyim & freirer do.
Can someone tell me where I can donate I cant find the link!
My only question is which bus line do all the child molestors who run away to Israel have to sit on. Do they get their own line ?
#5 I am with you. We really need separate buses – it is very difficult for me on the bus when all the women have such hirhurim about me.
i dont think the problem is with how the women are dressed if you were ever on the number 1 or 2 bus you will know that they are full most of the time and you have many people standing and bumping into each other with almost every turn or if you do get a seat you wil have a perfect stranger man or women standing on your head i think that could be a problem
I am horrified by what i am reading. I am not a member of this community, but just a few days ago I visited this sight for one of the first times and saw such an outpouring of compassion, unity and ahavas yisroel. I checked the sight tonight and reading these comments is sickening. Why such vitriol for another Jew? Can’t we let other yidden do things their way and if we do not agree, we can do so silently. How much of our lives are we gonna worry about what other people are doing? We’ve got a lot of soul searching to do.
And editor, please tell me, why print so much loshon haro? The idea of a comment box is very nice, but look what is coming our of it? Sinaah, loshon haro, accusations-false or otherwise. Why print it??????
I am not against a “tznius bus” if it is privately funded by the people who want to use it. Why are the chareidim in Israel not using the “kosher busses” already developed by Eged? I am “ultra-orthodox,” but I must say I wonder why people on this site who believe that men can be “ruined” by these busses are spending so much time chatting on the internet, which has certainly been proven dangerous?
>exactly, if anyone has been on the kotel bus especially on motzai shabbos they see the problem. Its a mad house men woman and children charging towards the buses pushing, shoving, touching, its nuts. pun. You dont need to be a fanatic to see the problem.< well let them learn some basic self-control then. I have the opportunity many mornings to jump on the 2nd of two buses that get to my bus-stop simultaneously, thus jumping the line (as many of the ‘frummer’ do), but I avoid doing so and pay the price of waiting longer or standing for 40 minutes.