New York – Which Orthodox Rabbi Gave Jared And Ivanka Permission To Fly On Shabbat?

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    White House senior advisor Jared Kushner (C) talks to his wife Ivanka Trump during a welcoming ceremony for her father U.S. President Donald Trump at Ben Gurion International Airport in Tel Aviv, Israel May 22, 2017.  REUTERS/Jonathan ErnstNew York – Which Orthodox rabbi gave Jared and Ivanka permission to fly on Shabbat?

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    We don’t know who it was, but we know who it wasn’t.

    It wasn’t Haskel Lookstein, who oversaw the First Daughter’s conversion to Judaism.

    It wasn’t Marvin Hier, who gave the invocation at President Donald Trump’s inauguration.

    It wasn’t Levi Shemtov, the spiritual leader at the synagogue in Washington, D.C., that Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump have attended.

    And it wasn’t Shmuley Boteach, the celebrity rabbi who has lavished praise on the president and taken a series of selfies with his advisers.

    Those rabbis, on the record, denied giving their stamp of approval to the Friday night flight to Saudi Arabia — though none of them criticized the decision, and all refrained from commenting on it.

    Rabbi Hirschy Zarchi, who ran the Chabad at Harvard, where Kushner was active as a student, was unavailable for comment.

    Flying in an airplane is one of many activities prohibited by Jewish law from sundown Friday to nightfall Saturday, principally because igniting the engine involves lighting a fire. Shabbat’s laws can be broken, however, to save a life, a concept known in Hebrew as “pikuach nefesh.”

    The question — much debated on social media by both fans and detractors of Trump’s daughter and son-in-law — is whether participating in Trump’s first foreign trip as president qualifies as life-saving. (Some of the discussions were respectful inquiries into Jewish law. Others were, let’s face it, pure snark of the “frum-shaming” variety.) Observant Jews with political power have faced questions like these for ages — most famously, perhaps, Sen. Joe Lieberman of Connecticut and Jack Lew, President Barack Obama’s treasury secretary.

    When dealing with the fate of a nation, how far does pikuach nefesh stretch?

    “If a person would be in that circumstance, with that level of responsibility, it’s not just that isolated event he has to calculate,” said Rabbi Menachem Genack, CEO of the kosher division of the Orthodox Union, an umbrella Orthodox group. “He’d have to think not just about this event. What are the consequences down the line? The definition of pikuach nefesh might be broader than it usually is.”

    Genack and Shemtov both cited Israeli officials who were given permission to pick up the phone — also prohibited — to give or receive directives on Shabbat, even if the call was not directly related to military operations. Likewise, religious Israeli soldiers will continue serving on Shabbat when necessary, even during (relative) peacetime.

    Shemtov, who runs the Washington synagogue commonly known as TheShul, generally has a narrow definition of saving a life. He will give elected officials who consult with him permission to break Shabbat laws only if they are personally needed in the situation, it cannot be deferred until Saturday night and someone’s life is actually at stake.

    He also said there is no blanket answer for this question; it must be dealt with on a case-by-case basis.

    “I’ve been getting questions like this for about 20 years, and I’ve only found it appropriate twice to allow any exemption from the rules,” Shemtov said. “They involved immediate and unequivocal situations affecting preservation of life.”

    Shemtov recalls walking miles with Lieberman from synagogue on Shabbat to the Capitol, where Lieberman would cast votes. Lew also endeavored not to break Shabbat, but told Tablet that he would take calls and drive in a car when necessary.

    Although a range of activities are prohibited on Shabbat, Jewish law does not treat them all equally. Some are deemed to be prohibited by the text of the Torah, while others are prohibited by rabbinic consensus, which is considered less severe. Genack noted, for example, that driving a car, which involves igniting the engine, is considered more severe than riding in a car.

    As it happens, Kushner and Trump also reportedly received permission ahead of Trump’s inauguration on a Friday, Jan. 20, to ride in a car that night. Which rabbi gave that allowance? That’s also unknown. But every rabbi that JTA spoke to for this article cautioned against criticizing these decisions without being privy to all of their details.

    “What’s at stake long term or short term?” Genack wondered. “You never know what the next steps will be. I’m happy that I’m not in that situation, that I have to deal with these problems.”


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    qazxc
    qazxc
    6 years ago

    Who cares???

    Even David Ben Gurion knew a Jew doesn’t ride in a car on shabbos when the cameras are clicking.

    Besides, FAKE NEWS! OBAMA! HILLARY! BENGAHZZI! BAY OF PIGS! TEAPOT DOME!

    honestbroker
    honestbroker
    6 years ago

    other than the unemployed and those with too much time on their hands, does anybody really care ??

    6 years ago

    Who cares? MOST religious people do things they’re not supposed to, the difference is that people usually hide it and the Kushner’s traveled on a plane b’farhesia.

    6 years ago

    Nobody did! Besides a fake Rabbi which there are too many out there. Im a big fan of Ivanka and must say she moved me by the Wall but this time they goofed badly. Its really Jared, the born Jew that shld stand up and make the kidish hashem. A Jew is not merely a symbolic nice thing. Its something we work for with love every day. Its either they stop referring to him as an orthodox Jew just as a symbolic Jew like sadly many many others are or he adheres to our holy Torah. You cant pick nor choose. Ivanka is probbly totally unaware of the dos and donts in a yidisshe life but he shld be. Mechalel shabos when the whole world watches is called BEFERHESIA. Its a even worse aveira. I wish they stop talking about them cause it only brings on more chilil hashem. Nice and good people but terribly misguided.

    6 years ago

    One has to chuckle at the holier than thou Yidden who live their entire lives in a daled amos, very insular world, where everything is within a walking distance radius judging others whose lives are complete opposites of their own. Never shall the two meet.

    6 years ago

    Yehuda Avner tells the following. Year 1975 (after the Yom Kippur War), negotiations between Israel (Rabin) and Egypt (Sadat) through the mediation of the U.S. (Kissinger). Avner was important because he was the best person in the English language. Kissinger abandoned Israel on Friday just before Shabbos and Rabin went into a panic to get Israel’s side of the events to the proper channels (which was in English):

    > just before Shabbat and Rabin asked me to immediately prepare our case … I was not willing to violate Shabbat …

    > The next day, Shabbat afternoon … I happened upon Rabbi Shlomo Zalman Auerbach … he asked me … I told him … he said to me in Hebrew, “Are you sure you had all the information to make the right decision?” I took this to mean that I might not have made the right decision … back to the prime minister’s office. When I got there it was already Motzaei Shabbat. Rabin was in the midst of an emergency Cabinet session, and as I walked in, he spat at me, “Now you come? It’s too late,” … President Gerald Ford declared a reassessment of the whole Israeli-US relationship … with a partial ARMS EMBARGO …

    6 years ago

    So reality. Trump accompanied with known anti-Israel State Department personnel in a visit to Saudi Arabia that is technically at war with Israel, what then if there is not to be someone close to Trump to stare down these Saudi from what they will want to say about Israel? This, right before Trump will then visit Israel and spew out whatever comes to mind.

    6 years ago

    Why would the JTA or VIN suddenly be so interested in this. Neither has ever shown any respect for Halacha so why are they so concerned about the Kushners.

    6 years ago

    Who cares the whole m.k.of Israel are מחלל שבת & אוכל נ”ט starting Frome Bibi & so on the בג”ץ just ruled that in tell Aviv the stores could be open in שבת & the supposed to be our Jewish state , look on your self frist ponit to yourself mined your own business leave the kushner’s alone

    ohsofrum
    ohsofrum
    6 years ago

    Frankly, I don’t think the average jew thinks about Ivanka’s Shabbos issues at all. They are happy she is a jew, don’t care at all, or don’t even know she is jewish.
    Seems like her Shabbos issues only matter to the frum analysts on these websites, analyzing, judging, and scrutinizing her every move…

    ELEPHANT
    Member
    ELEPHANT
    6 years ago

    Its 2017 orthodox Jewish men shouldn’t be looking at photos of women. Is this a orthodox news page ? When was the halachas changed???

    TruthIsIt
    TruthIsIt
    6 years ago

    THIS IS SO STUPID !…… WHAT A WASTE OF NEWS !

    How about “Which Orthodox Rabbi Gave permission to look at others in the wrong way, or which Rabbi gave other frum Hasidic Jews to hate Israel and it’s people ?

    acanada
    acanada
    6 years ago

    Which Orthodox Rabbi gave ostensibly Orthodox Jewish websites permission to engage in Loshon Hara, Motzi Shem-ra and rechilus?

    nat101
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    nat101
    6 years ago

    I don’t know. People don’t know the Halacha and talk talk talk.
    It is 100% permissible to board a ship even on late Friday IF the purpose of the trip is a mitzva! Any mitzva! Says the Mogen Avrohom that even for parnasa is considered a mitzva. Of course it is assumed that no melacha is made on the ship on shabbos. But departing on Friday is no problem at all.
    As far as the arrival, I watched the ceremony video of the arrival, and I noticed that they did not carry anything in their hands and can be assumed that they did not do anything wrong on shabbos!
    Leave this wonderful couple alone!
    A gut Shabbos!

    triumphinwhitehouse
    triumphinwhitehouse
    6 years ago

    Jared is the one I have more issues with rather than her.

    Refyok
    Refyok
    6 years ago

    It was me. I gave them the hetter but I’m not going to get into a public debate on this forum. You don’t know all the details and circumstances. That’s all I’ll say.

    6 years ago

    Instead of wasting all your time discussing Ivanka & should she/shouldn’t she, how about you all look in the mirror and ask yourselves… am I REALLY better than she? She hasn’t opened her mouth or disparaged anyone. I have no idea who -or if anyone – gave her a heter to fly on Shabbos. As many people have said, who cares? Is this all you have to worry about? How about worrying about Jews in France, UK & here… in Israel.

    6 years ago

    Seems a lesson is in order in Talmudic logic. In English it goes something like this: If for such a minor matter as a single individual earning some money it is permitted to start a voyage on Friday, then obviously for matters of State there can be no question that it is permitted.

    6 years ago

    A clarification of my earlier remark about parnassa being minor. That was not referring to entire parnassa being minor. That was referring to the single business trip being minor.

    6 years ago

    I really envy all to those who answered about who was that rabbi, because it seems that you have no other problems!