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Jerusalem - Israeli Diplomats In US Reportedly Ordered To Blame Liberal Jews For Western Wall Crisis

Published on: June 30, 2017 12:31 PM
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An Israeli soldier prays next to an ultra orthodox Jewish man at the Western Wall in Jerusalem's Old City. June 20, 2017. Photo by Gershon Elinson/FLASH90An Israeli soldier prays next to an ultra orthodox Jewish man at the Western Wall in Jerusalem's Old City. June 20, 2017. Photo by Gershon Elinson/FLASH90

Jerusalem - Israeli diplomats in North America rejected a talking point handed down to them from Jerusalem, which they told an Israeli daily blames liberal Jews for the Western Wall controversy.

The top diplomats refused to repeat the narrative that Jonathan Shechter, a top adviser to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, handed down to them earlier this week in telephone conversations about the crisis in relations between the government and leaders of the Reform and other liberal Jewish denominations in the United States, Maariv reported Friday.

The Prime Minister’s Office flatly denied the report in a statement to JTA, saying that “the conversation did not occur as depicted in the article.”

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The crisis between the Israeli government and diaspora groups erupted following the Cabinet’s decision Sunday to suspend the implementation of a compromise on the contested issue of egalitarian prayer at the Western Wall plaza. Under the compromise, the government had voted to expand the southern section of the holy site, which is used for egalitarian prayer, open an entrance to it from the main Western Wall plaza and appoint an interdenominational commission to oversee it.

Run by haredi Orthodox rabbis, the main plaza of the Western Wall features separate spaces for men and women. In Reform and Conservative congregations, prayers are held conjointly.

Schechter’s directive was given orally, according to the Maariv report, which did not detail the language that Shechter had reportedly asked the diplomats to use. One ambassador reportedly said he would comply with the directive only if Jerusalem transmits the talking point in writing.

A diplomat who was not named in the Maariv article told the newspaper: “It defies belief that after everything that’s happened, the prime minister’s staff are seeking to blame U.S. Jews, who were deeply offended by the government decisions, for the situation.”

In fending off scathing criticism by many American Jewish organizations and individuals over the suspension, an Israeli government official downplayed the move’s significance, underlining the fact that anyone who wishes to pray according to Conservative or Reform custom is able to do so today at the Western Wall regardless of the compromise.



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 Jun 30, 2017 at 12:39 PM hashomer Says:

The Kotel issue is not a 'crisis', no lives are at stake. There are numerous photos since the 1890's showing men and women davening together at the Wall. The issue is due to the Charedi theocracy trying to show their authority at public holy sites, and showing their medieval disrespect and intolerance of women at every turn.

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 Jun 30, 2017 at 12:42 PM Curiosity Says:

Ridiculous how American Reform "Jews" (many of whom, including their "Rabbis", aren't even halachically Jewish) think they have the authority to pressure Israel's Jews on this matter. They're worse than the eirev rav.

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 Jun 30, 2017 at 01:29 PM Sholi-Katz Says:

I was impressed by Prime Minister Netanyahu all these year. However, now I am starting to have second thoughts. He looks like he would sell his mother just to stay in power or as he is doing now - insult 80% of American Jews who are the main supporters of Israel financially.

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 Jun 30, 2017 at 01:50 PM happypappy Says:

Liberal Jews are cynically tryimg to implement their theology at rhe kotel, judaism's holiest site . i say "cynically" bc their historical view of the beit hamikdosh was nothing more than a glorified "butcher shop".
That discription was used by a prominent liberal rabbi in an opinion piece in liberal jeiwsh paper Post and Opinion. He explained why he believed the whole of east jerusalem, the temple moint and the kotel, should all go to the arabs in exchange for peace. His argument: Why should we hold onto a hitorical site that has absolitely no meaning to the modern liberal jew. To him and his ilk, rhe temple reprwsented what they consider a barbaric past of rituall practices that have no place or meaning for the modern Jew.
The liberal leadership is only interested in culural assimilation. The push for the kotel is a ploy to gain notoriety to their constituents and to gain some standing and prominence on Israel and the Jewiahh world , bc besides rampant assimation and imtermarriage, thwy have nothing going on

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 Jun 30, 2017 at 01:58 PM grandbear Says:

It's the american jews who created this new religion called reform-conservative judaism.There's only one judaism, all the other so called -branches cant have that name when they deny the g-d who created the world and chose the people of israel to be his, or follow the commandments of the torah.In hungary they were known as 'neologs ' and were recognized by the govt. as such.
Why do they demand a place at the kotel today, when since their beginning they refused to have the temple of jerusalem or jerusalem in their prayer books .

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 Jun 30, 2017 at 02:05 PM Anonymous Says:

The man on the left looks like Yankel Litzman.

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 Jun 30, 2017 at 02:09 PM Anonymous Says:

If the non Frum leit started to boycott giving donations to the Yeshivas, the Yeshivas would go belly up.

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 Jun 30, 2017 at 05:21 PM yaakov doe Says:

Reply to #5  
grandbear Says:

It's the american jews who created this new religion called reform-conservative judaism.There's only one judaism, all the other so called -branches cant have that name when they deny the g-d who created the world and chose the people of israel to be his, or follow the commandments of the torah.In hungary they were known as 'neologs ' and were recognized by the govt. as such.
Why do they demand a place at the kotel today, when since their beginning they refused to have the temple of jerusalem or jerusalem in their prayer books .

Reform started in Germany and originally observed Sunday as their day of prayer. The Reform movement was anti Zionist and didn't support Israel until long after 1948. Conservative began in America as an answer to Reform. Originally they followed halacha and had English sermons. Since then they've strayed far from their original religion following the "innovations" of the Reform several years afterwards. Now the two are drawing closer to each other and further from authentic Judaism. There is absolutely nothing in their religion that forbids them from praying with men and women separated as is the practice at the Kossel.

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 Jun 30, 2017 at 05:30 PM Elchonon Says:

Israel is very strong economically they can survive today without the money of the reform and conservative community
I cannot call all of them Jew's as unfortunately many are not halachic jews. We do not reject halachic jews.I have alot of experience about the issue. In the 1980s I protested reform and conservative conversions being done in the Orthodox mikva in Chicago. if you google Elchonon Ebert you will find an archived article from the Chicago tribune .
The supposedly democratic liberal clergy of the reform had me arrested and jailed bfor disturbing the peace because I was using a megaphone to tell the converts they were not halachiclly Jewish. Unfortunately the yeshivishh unbelievably backed the policy of allowing this travesty of allowing the orthodox mikva for fraudulent conversions. It was big funds for the mikva 200 dollars per conversion funding the mikva allowing the community to donate more to the yeshivas .Rav Aron Solovechik zl was outspoken against the policy. He was ignored by the more right wing roshei yeshiva. This despite the fact that that my Rosh yeshiva Rav Samuel Berenbaum zl explicitly told me to continue protesting.He was ignored. So when the yeshivish allow travesty in their own backyard it leaves repercussion it also radiates waves unfortunately negative waves in Klan yisroel I'll just close with a thought I once asked Rav Berenbaum zl what are yeshiva students doing to help non frum Jew's.He answered me that learning Torah is like throwing a big rock in the middle of a lake the waves radiate all the way to the shore
Vice versa policies that strengthens reform shenanigans radiate through out Klal yisroel.The policy of allowing reform clergy to rent the orthodox mikva is still in place.
Ed

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 Jun 30, 2017 at 05:33 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
hashomer Says:

The Kotel issue is not a 'crisis', no lives are at stake. There are numerous photos since the 1890's showing men and women davening together at the Wall. The issue is due to the Charedi theocracy trying to show their authority at public holy sites, and showing their medieval disrespect and intolerance of women at every turn.

Wow, your true colors are shining through. Why don't you ask frum women how they feel about mixed davening? You might be surprised by the answer.

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 Jun 30, 2017 at 05:57 PM grandbear Says:

Reply to #1  
hashomer Says:

The Kotel issue is not a 'crisis', no lives are at stake. There are numerous photos since the 1890's showing men and women davening together at the Wall. The issue is due to the Charedi theocracy trying to show their authority at public holy sites, and showing their medieval disrespect and intolerance of women at every turn.

They never davened together .There was no mechitza at the kotel as the arabs forbade it together with the sounding of the shofar.Women were separated from men during the long period of the holy temple

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 Jul 01, 2017 at 08:18 PM Vestin Says:

Reply to #1  
hashomer Says:

The Kotel issue is not a 'crisis', no lives are at stake. There are numerous photos since the 1890's showing men and women davening together at the Wall. The issue is due to the Charedi theocracy trying to show their authority at public holy sites, and showing their medieval disrespect and intolerance of women at every turn.

That's factually incorrect! The pictures are of people standing next to each other - each davening separately - ther's a differnece between a man standing next to a woman and each davening separately and davening together. We the Jewish people have 2,000+ year old custom that men and women daven separately - this is a FACT. Who are a few new age - self anointed - and self appointed - so called rabbi's - to change such a custom - who authorized them - its outrageous despicable.

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 Jul 01, 2017 at 09:05 PM Anonymous Says:

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Curiosity Says:

Ridiculous how American Reform "Jews" (many of whom, including their "Rabbis", aren't even halachically Jewish) think they have the authority to pressure Israel's Jews on this matter. They're worse than the eirev rav.

they are the erev rav

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 Jul 02, 2017 at 01:14 AM grandbear Says:

on giving much thought to the subject ,it took several hundred years for the followers of 'that man'' to evolve into what they are known as today.It wouldn't surprise me if in the future we will see the emergence of another religion started in america based on judaism but it is something else.

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 Jul 02, 2017 at 03:37 AM favish Says:

since when does a poisek pasken from a piciture?

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 Jul 02, 2017 at 01:44 PM favish Says:

Reply to #14  
grandbear Says:

on giving much thought to the subject ,it took several hundred years for the followers of 'that man'' to evolve into what they are known as today.It wouldn't surprise me if in the future we will see the emergence of another religion started in america based on judaism but it is something else.

Since reform conservative etc etc dont believe in torarah misini let alonE oral torah they are 'something else' already since inception. They were excluded from klall yisroel by the tzaddikim of 200 yeaS go. chasam soifer chafetz chaim ET.C When commentor said 80% Jews...let it be known Jews are 'reyachha bemitzvos' otherwise theyre just physically Jews. and since reform and also conservative, some, go according to father most of them are not jewish. charistians etc etc are welcome to pray by westen wall. But would a christian say its democracy we want to hang a cross, or a statue of 'virgin ma...' Of course we wont let. and they wont ask. Why? Christians are also the first reform Jews.. But the reforms etc are worse than the christians(just figure of speech, Not that they are bad). because' they are 'knimrod gibor tzayid lifnei hashem' thay are here to lahaches destroy religion. The christians (1st reform JEWS) respect the holyness of kosel marovy

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 Jul 02, 2017 at 02:55 PM favish Says:

Reply to #3  
Sholi-Katz Says:

I was impressed by Prime Minister Netanyahu all these year. However, now I am starting to have second thoughts. He looks like he would sell his mother just to stay in power or as he is doing now - insult 80% of American Jews who are the main supporters of Israel financially.

You should changer your name to Jes....Chr.... Your apikorses shines thru your post all over

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 Jul 02, 2017 at 10:50 PM cholemock Says:

Reply to #3  
Sholi-Katz Says:

I was impressed by Prime Minister Netanyahu all these year. However, now I am starting to have second thoughts. He looks like he would sell his mother just to stay in power or as he is doing now - insult 80% of American Jews who are the main supporters of Israel financially.

and suppose christians will support the state of israe(which they do)l, that means the kosel should turn into a church? put a statue of virgin mar.. there?

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 Jul 03, 2017 at 07:42 AM favish Says:

Reply to #5  
grandbear Says:

It's the american jews who created this new religion called reform-conservative judaism.There's only one judaism, all the other so called -branches cant have that name when they deny the g-d who created the world and chose the people of israel to be his, or follow the commandments of the torah.In hungary they were known as 'neologs ' and were recognized by the govt. as such.
Why do they demand a place at the kotel today, when since their beginning they refused to have the temple of jerusalem or jerusalem in their prayer books .

this movement actually started in the 17th centuery

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 Jul 03, 2017 at 08:55 AM dov Says:

Reply to #14  
grandbear Says:

on giving much thought to the subject ,it took several hundred years for the followers of 'that man'' to evolve into what they are known as today.It wouldn't surprise me if in the future we will see the emergence of another religion started in america based on judaism but it is something else.

s most 'clergy of these 'movements dont believe in diety

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 Jul 07, 2017 at 02:47 PM favish Says:

Reply to #2  
Curiosity Says:

Ridiculous how American Reform "Jews" (many of whom, including their "Rabbis", aren't even halachically Jewish) think they have the authority to pressure Israel's Jews on this matter. They're worse than the eirev rav.

They are not Jewish. period! Not 'halachically not Jewish,. Will you say Christian , Hindus, Muslims are not 'halachically Jewish?

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