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Queens, NY - A Queens councilman, himself the product of a private school, called out critics of the yeshiva system, saying that attacks on religious schools are unfounded and could have widespread effects that could be devastating to faith-based communities throughout New York State.

Councilman Eric Ulrich made his case in an op-ed that appeared in today’s Gotham Gazette.  Having attended public school before transitioning to the Catholic school system, Ulrich said that he was grateful to have received a religious education that was reflective of his family’s values, which ultimately inspired him to a career in public service.

Efforts by a small group of disgruntled yeshiva graduates to undermine the system could violate the constitutionally guaranteed right to freedom of religion and potentially deny parents of every faith the ability to send their children to religious schools, noted Ulrich.

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The councilman also called into question the motives of anti-yeshiva activists, remarking that they “continuously attack the Orthodox Jewish community under the guise of educational quality.”

“Tens of thousands of parents choose these schools each year because yeshivas have served them, and their families, well for generations,” said Ulrich.

In an email sent to VIN News, Ulrich described allegations that yeshiva students are receiving a substandard secular education as “egregious and absurd.”

“I’ve had the opportunity to sit in on courses at yeshiva schools, and it is clear to me they take secular education seriously,” Ulrich, who has personally visited Orthodox and Chasidic yeshivas in both Brooklyn and Queens, told VIN News. “I was genuinely impressed with the teachers, who are dedicated to giving their students the best education possible.”

The New York State Education Department is currently debating whether yeshivas are meeting the mandated requirement to provide an education that is “substantially equivalent” to that offered in public schools, a distinction that Ulrich described as “enormously subjective.”  He called upon officials to withstand the pressures of anti-yeshiva activists, saying that the ramifications of their decision could be far reaching.

“If we do not stand up for yeshivas today, the future of other private schools may be next,” observed Ulrich.

Rabbi Avi Greenstein, a member of the executive committee of Parents for Educational And Religious Liberty in Schools which advocates for yeshivas, said that he was appreciative of Ulrich’s support.

“Over the past few years, yeshivas have come under attack by a small group of critics who question our way of life,” said Rabbi Greenstein.  “We’re very proud of the education our students receive and it is gratifying that public officials like Eric Ulrich are courageous enough to stand up for religious freedom and parental choice.”



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 Mar 27, 2018 at 04:08 PM Disgruntled yeshiva student Says:

Mr Ulrich,

You obviously have no clue what the heck they teach in chassidish yeshiva. As a product of several chassidish yeshivos my education has been a non starter. Shame on you for trying to undermine the good will of Yafed. This is an organization that hasn't attacked the orthodox community whatsoever. Their only intentions is to give the next generation the opportunities of a proper education that we didn't get. The daily struggle is rampant. While many who have received a proper education struggle too. the amount is much higher in the chassidish community for the lack of opportunities. Pondering to the votes is great but your lack of knowledge on the chassidish education is even more ignorant.

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 Mar 27, 2018 at 04:11 PM Anonymous Says:

Ulrich, who has personally visited Orthodox and Chasidic yeshivas in both Brooklyn and Queens, told VIN News. “I was genuinely impressed with the teachers, who are dedicated to giving their students the best education possible.”

What grades did he visit?

Also, did he visit chasdic and yeshivish boys high schools? There is no secular studies at all taught at that level. Why not? Are 9th graders really learning during that time?

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 Mar 27, 2018 at 04:29 PM ercsd Says:

Let them take the standardized reading and math tests that the public school kids take and then we will see the results. The critics of the system are people that went through it and know first hand.

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 Mar 27, 2018 at 05:09 PM Reb Yid Says:

1, 2, and 3 are correct. However, let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater, which is what happens when you sic the government on the yidden, even for the purpose of helping the yidden.

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 Mar 27, 2018 at 05:24 PM mgold Says:

This entire issue is baloney, I am a very proud graduate of the Satmar elementary school system & I B'H run a very successful business & I have several college graduates working for me....

After all those horrible school shootings & killings all over our great country , why doesn't it occur to any of those critics to reflect & think, well maybe the Chasidim have it right... there are tens of thousands of students in the various Chasidic school systems in NY.
Can anyone tell us, when was the last time a student of a Chasidic School was arrested, for :
Shooting ?
Stabbing?
Assault?
Rape?
Robbery?

NOT ONE IN RECENT MEMORY!!

P.S. there are NO metal detectors in ANY of the Chasidic Schools...

Is this way of life so terrible ???

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 Mar 27, 2018 at 05:33 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
Disgruntled yeshiva student Says:

Mr Ulrich,

You obviously have no clue what the heck they teach in chassidish yeshiva. As a product of several chassidish yeshivos my education has been a non starter. Shame on you for trying to undermine the good will of Yafed. This is an organization that hasn't attacked the orthodox community whatsoever. Their only intentions is to give the next generation the opportunities of a proper education that we didn't get. The daily struggle is rampant. While many who have received a proper education struggle too. the amount is much higher in the chassidish community for the lack of opportunities. Pondering to the votes is great but your lack of knowledge on the chassidish education is even more ignorant.

Mr naftali Moster,

with all due respect you guys do attack the yeshiva system. You want them to teach tolernace of LGBT etc... You don't strictly want to add algebra and biology classes. You are a faker and don't hid behind some other vin user name

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 Mar 27, 2018 at 05:51 PM Shmaltz Says:

1-2 & 3,
On the other hand, look how many VEEEEERY successful business man we have amongst the Jewish community here in Brooklyn, we need a GOY to praise our system, shame on you,
#3, where were you when your school taught maths?

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 Mar 27, 2018 at 06:40 PM Seriously Says:

Reply to #5  
mgold Says:

This entire issue is baloney, I am a very proud graduate of the Satmar elementary school system & I B'H run a very successful business & I have several college graduates working for me....

After all those horrible school shootings & killings all over our great country , why doesn't it occur to any of those critics to reflect & think, well maybe the Chasidim have it right... there are tens of thousands of students in the various Chasidic school systems in NY.
Can anyone tell us, when was the last time a student of a Chasidic School was arrested, for :
Shooting ?
Stabbing?
Assault?
Rape?
Robbery?

NOT ONE IN RECENT MEMORY!!

P.S. there are NO metal detectors in ANY of the Chasidic Schools...

Is this way of life so terrible ???

Are you kidding me!! Plenty of rape and molestation goes on in the community. What are you saying? Everything gets swept under the rug

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 Mar 27, 2018 at 06:59 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #5  
mgold Says:

This entire issue is baloney, I am a very proud graduate of the Satmar elementary school system & I B'H run a very successful business & I have several college graduates working for me....

After all those horrible school shootings & killings all over our great country , why doesn't it occur to any of those critics to reflect & think, well maybe the Chasidim have it right... there are tens of thousands of students in the various Chasidic school systems in NY.
Can anyone tell us, when was the last time a student of a Chasidic School was arrested, for :
Shooting ?
Stabbing?
Assault?
Rape?
Robbery?

NOT ONE IN RECENT MEMORY!!

P.S. there are NO metal detectors in ANY of the Chasidic Schools...

Is this way of life so terrible ???

Or maybe the modern orthodox have it right.

Any school shootings in the modern orthodox schools?

We all agree that the Jewish religion instills a refined dignified way of living into us. It despises violence. But who says that it can't incorporate secular studies with a frum environment.

Re your running a successful business. That's beautiful but most people are not the type to just run a successful business. The majorty of klal yisroel needs a staedy reliable income kid of job. That requires an education.

Furthermore, I don't believe 9th graders have zits fliesh to sit & learn all day anyhow. Why not teach them same math and science which is easier and a different change of pace then gemara? Whats wrong with teaching it?

Lastly, you do know that satmar used to have a very tough english department. It changed 20/25 yrs ago when the world become "chinuked". I have a family member who taught english in a satmar mesifta in the early 70's. And children who misbehaved during english were smacked. So the holy reba ZY"A approved of secular studies. Its a new unfounded mishgigas.

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 Mar 27, 2018 at 07:31 PM ALTERG4 Says:

# 1 2 3 4 are plain a bunch of jew haters,
The jewish school education is the best & no one can or will fight it,
You can all choose to go to public school,
Moster from yafad is a plain looser he has a weak head never learned anything has no job so he is trying to blame it on the jewish system,
He will not succeed with his court he is busy with this already 4 years & no results,
He could have go to school this 4 years & build a big buissnes but he rather choose to cry & blaming others,
What a looser.

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 Mar 27, 2018 at 07:40 PM Disgruntled yeshiva student Says:

Reply to #6  
Anonymous Says:

Mr naftali Moster,

with all due respect you guys do attack the yeshiva system. You want them to teach tolernace of LGBT etc... You don't strictly want to add algebra and biology classes. You are a faker and don't hid behind some other vin user name

Lmao. Are you seriously claiming that my name is moster??

Typical of ignorant people. My name is Goldman a far cry from moster. Dont YA think!!

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 Mar 27, 2018 at 07:45 PM Disgruntled yeshiva student Says:

Reply to #7  
Shmaltz Says:

1-2 & 3,
On the other hand, look how many VEEEEERY successful business man we have amongst the Jewish community here in Brooklyn, we need a GOY to praise our system, shame on you,
#3, where were you when your school taught maths?

I was in the school and math was pretty much limited to plus minus times and division. All that stopped in 9th grade.

Are you saying that the 1000s of non successful men and women in the community dont matter!

Yes we have a lot of successful people on the other hand how many are struggling to survive. How much food is given out before pesach to families who can barely make it or before shabbos. How about the 1000s who have to be on programs or steal because they feel trapped.

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 Mar 27, 2018 at 08:08 PM Phineas Says:

Reply to #5  
mgold Says:

This entire issue is baloney, I am a very proud graduate of the Satmar elementary school system & I B'H run a very successful business & I have several college graduates working for me....

After all those horrible school shootings & killings all over our great country , why doesn't it occur to any of those critics to reflect & think, well maybe the Chasidim have it right... there are tens of thousands of students in the various Chasidic school systems in NY.
Can anyone tell us, when was the last time a student of a Chasidic School was arrested, for :
Shooting ?
Stabbing?
Assault?
Rape?
Robbery?

NOT ONE IN RECENT MEMORY!!

P.S. there are NO metal detectors in ANY of the Chasidic Schools...

Is this way of life so terrible ???

Well some of those crimes were actually committed by faculty

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 Mar 27, 2018 at 08:55 PM ercsd Says:

Reply to #5  
mgold Says:

This entire issue is baloney, I am a very proud graduate of the Satmar elementary school system & I B'H run a very successful business & I have several college graduates working for me....

After all those horrible school shootings & killings all over our great country , why doesn't it occur to any of those critics to reflect & think, well maybe the Chasidim have it right... there are tens of thousands of students in the various Chasidic school systems in NY.
Can anyone tell us, when was the last time a student of a Chasidic School was arrested, for :
Shooting ?
Stabbing?
Assault?
Rape?
Robbery?

NOT ONE IN RECENT MEMORY!!

P.S. there are NO metal detectors in ANY of the Chasidic Schools...

Is this way of life so terrible ???

There are tens of millions of kids in the public schools in the U.S. The public schools have to admit all kids. They can't turn any away. You write you are a "very proud graduate of the Satmar elementary school system". Does that mean that you didn't go to a Satmar school for the rest of your education? #7-I don't know what you are referring to. I took regents exams in algebra, geometry and trigonometry and I took math courses in College. What % of people in KJ and New Square are successful business people and what % are on government assistance programs?

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 Mar 27, 2018 at 09:03 PM Educated Archy Says:

Reply to #10  
ALTERG4 Says:

# 1 2 3 4 are plain a bunch of jew haters,
The jewish school education is the best & no one can or will fight it,
You can all choose to go to public school,
Moster from yafad is a plain looser he has a weak head never learned anything has no job so he is trying to blame it on the jewish system,
He will not succeed with his court he is busy with this already 4 years & no results,
He could have go to school this 4 years & build a big buissnes but he rather choose to cry & blaming others,
What a looser.

The. Best ? So please provide a substantive answer to the following

Why can't satmar teach math to 9th graders ? What's wrong ?

It's a simple question .

Let's say yes you are right the govt and yafed have no business getting involved . But why are they not teaching secular studies ?

Can anyone answer my simple question . Why not ?

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 Mar 27, 2018 at 09:52 PM PaulinSaudi Says:

I am very pleased and surprised by the high level of thought that has gone into the comments here.

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 Mar 27, 2018 at 10:44 PM ALTERG4 Says:

# 1 2 3 4 are plain a bunch of jew haters,
The jewish school education is the best & no one can or will fight it,
You can all choose to go to public school,
Moster from yafad is a plain looser he has a weak head never learned anything has no job so he is trying to blame it on the jewish system,
He will not succeed with his court he is busy with this already 4 years & no results,
He could have go to school this 4 years & build a big buissnes but he rather choose to cry & blaming others,
What a looser.

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 Mar 28, 2018 at 03:52 AM Greener Says:

Reply to #10  
ALTERG4 Says:

# 1 2 3 4 are plain a bunch of jew haters,
The jewish school education is the best & no one can or will fight it,
You can all choose to go to public school,
Moster from yafad is a plain looser he has a weak head never learned anything has no job so he is trying to blame it on the jewish system,
He will not succeed with his court he is busy with this already 4 years & no results,
He could have go to school this 4 years & build a big buissnes but he rather choose to cry & blaming others,
What a looser.

I plotzed laughing when I read your, "The jewish education is the best . . .".
You are the living proof that this is not so.

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 Mar 28, 2018 at 07:39 AM AmYisroel Says:

Reply to #1  
Disgruntled yeshiva student Says:

Mr Ulrich,

You obviously have no clue what the heck they teach in chassidish yeshiva. As a product of several chassidish yeshivos my education has been a non starter. Shame on you for trying to undermine the good will of Yafed. This is an organization that hasn't attacked the orthodox community whatsoever. Their only intentions is to give the next generation the opportunities of a proper education that we didn't get. The daily struggle is rampant. While many who have received a proper education struggle too. the amount is much higher in the chassidish community for the lack of opportunities. Pondering to the votes is great but your lack of knowledge on the chassidish education is even more ignorant.

Shame on you for trying to destroy the yeshivas

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 Mar 28, 2018 at 09:05 AM Beware Says:

While the message of the yaffed might be a good one and our yeshivah system secular education does need some revamping but before we go ahead and praise then for there efforts let's take a look at who are the founders of this organizations and what is there true motive.

Yaffed was initially founded by a few nebech OTD from the Orthodox community with the support of the infamous origination of Footsteps (which is here to try destroy the Orthodox community) in order to get there message out and people shouldn't be able to see right through their true motive they changed their board members to more professional people like professors etc. While the head of the organization still today is someone that wears a kippah in public he has posted on his Facebook page eating pork on Yom Kippur and how proud he is of the decision to not have circumcised his son because he wants to give him a choice when he gets older. For this organization the fight doesn't stop here there next battle will be that we shouldn't circumcised our kids and give them the right to choose the sole purpose of these bitter Jews are not for the benefit of our community they don't send there kids to our yeshivahs all they want to do is get even with yeshivah system and get more frum boys and girls to be like them.

Let's give a clear message to them pack your bags and get the heck out of here move to the other end of the world and let us take care of fixing the secular education within our community with nice fathers and mothers in our community that send their kids to yeshivah and want their kids to grow up with a good secular education while at the same time be frum and erliche childrem.

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 Mar 28, 2018 at 10:43 AM Educated Archy Says:

Reply to #17  
ALTERG4 Says:

# 1 2 3 4 are plain a bunch of jew haters,
The jewish school education is the best & no one can or will fight it,
You can all choose to go to public school,
Moster from yafad is a plain looser he has a weak head never learned anything has no job so he is trying to blame it on the jewish system,
He will not succeed with his court he is busy with this already 4 years & no results,
He could have go to school this 4 years & build a big buissnes but he rather choose to cry & blaming others,
What a looser.

Instead of stating these rash arguable statements why can't you answer a simple question.

What is wrong with 9th grade mesiftas teaching secular studies?????

Please answer the question

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 Mar 28, 2018 at 10:46 AM Educated Archy Says:

Reply to #20  
Beware Says:

While the message of the yaffed might be a good one and our yeshivah system secular education does need some revamping but before we go ahead and praise then for there efforts let's take a look at who are the founders of this organizations and what is there true motive.

Yaffed was initially founded by a few nebech OTD from the Orthodox community with the support of the infamous origination of Footsteps (which is here to try destroy the Orthodox community) in order to get there message out and people shouldn't be able to see right through their true motive they changed their board members to more professional people like professors etc. While the head of the organization still today is someone that wears a kippah in public he has posted on his Facebook page eating pork on Yom Kippur and how proud he is of the decision to not have circumcised his son because he wants to give him a choice when he gets older. For this organization the fight doesn't stop here there next battle will be that we shouldn't circumcised our kids and give them the right to choose the sole purpose of these bitter Jews are not for the benefit of our community they don't send there kids to our yeshivahs all they want to do is get even with yeshivah system and get more frum boys and girls to be like them.

Let's give a clear message to them pack your bags and get the heck out of here move to the other end of the world and let us take care of fixing the secular education within our community with nice fathers and mothers in our community that send their kids to yeshivah and want their kids to grow up with a good secular education while at the same time be frum and erliche childrem.

well said, but can we find someone "frum" and torahdik with guts who will take on the "establishment" as we know it.

Thats the problem. The system needs change but it will never happen within thanks to the well oiled frum establishment that makes up their own mesora as it suites them. Satmar use to have english in high school and so did every single yeshvish HS.

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 Mar 28, 2018 at 01:52 PM mgold Says:

Reply to #21  
Educated Archy Says:

Instead of stating these rash arguable statements why can't you answer a simple question.

What is wrong with 9th grade mesiftas teaching secular studies?????

Please answer the question

Educated Archy

I will attempt to answer your "very simple question" "What is wrong with 9th grade mesiftas teaching secular studies?????

The answer is also "very simple" IT IS NON OF YOUR BUSINESS WHAT WE CHOOSE TO TEACH OUR DEAR CHILDREN.

We love & care for our children as much as you do, and if we as a community decide what ,when & where we teach our children, then so be it.

After 70 Years of raising children with limited secular studies we have nothing to be ashamed of with the results... as in most part we are a law abiding , 95% crime free, productive people, contributing tremendously to society.

Hatzolah
Bikur Cholim Organizations
Chaverim
RCCS
Bonei Oilom
Shomrim
Missaskim
Chesed Shel Emes

Are all world famous organizations, founded by non-educated Chasidim

Calm down everyone, we are not that bad...and leave our educations choices to us..

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 Mar 28, 2018 at 02:56 PM Educated Archy Says:

Reply to #23  
mgold Says:

Educated Archy

I will attempt to answer your "very simple question" "What is wrong with 9th grade mesiftas teaching secular studies?????

The answer is also "very simple" IT IS NON OF YOUR BUSINESS WHAT WE CHOOSE TO TEACH OUR DEAR CHILDREN.

We love & care for our children as much as you do, and if we as a community decide what ,when & where we teach our children, then so be it.

After 70 Years of raising children with limited secular studies we have nothing to be ashamed of with the results... as in most part we are a law abiding , 95% crime free, productive people, contributing tremendously to society.

Hatzolah
Bikur Cholim Organizations
Chaverim
RCCS
Bonei Oilom
Shomrim
Missaskim
Chesed Shel Emes

Are all world famous organizations, founded by non-educated Chasidim

Calm down everyone, we are not that bad...and leave our educations choices to us..

So can I ask as a curious outsider trying to understand a jewish hashkofa? I am a jew and its my job to search for the torahdik hashkofa and emes.

I am not suggesting to impose anything or get involved with your system.

I simply am asking like the boy by the seder searching for the truth. So we tell him its none of your business?

So let me ask the question again,
What exactly is the satmar and yeshvsih hashkafa about teaching secular studies in 9th grade? (As a frum jew its my business to seek and learn the right hashkafa)
And if I can ask one more question, mah nishtna hador hzeh mkol hadoros? Why did satamar under the R yoel zy'a have english and why does the year 2018 differ?

Again not looking to impose anything but lets discuss hashkofa.

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 Mar 28, 2018 at 05:13 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #10  
ALTERG4 Says:

# 1 2 3 4 are plain a bunch of jew haters,
The jewish school education is the best & no one can or will fight it,
You can all choose to go to public school,
Moster from yafad is a plain looser he has a weak head never learned anything has no job so he is trying to blame it on the jewish system,
He will not succeed with his court he is busy with this already 4 years & no results,
He could have go to school this 4 years & build a big buissnes but he rather choose to cry & blaming others,
What a looser.

number 4 is anything but a jew hater.

Satmar knew that their flaunting the law can set the government on top of the entire Jewish community.

Satmar knows that there are many things that the entire Jewish community doesn't teach (liberal sex education) that the left wants to force in every yeshiva.

Satmar knows that if the government goes into satmar Yeshivas, they will also go into every other yeshiva, even the most left wing modern Orthodox ones, and force changes on to everyone

Satmar thinks they are the greatest Jewish community ever

Satmar doesn't care about anyone besides Satmar

Satmar will endanger the spiritual well being of the entire Jewish community for any reason that benefits Satmar

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 Mar 28, 2018 at 09:40 PM mgold Says:

Reply to #25  
Anonymous Says:

number 4 is anything but a jew hater.

Satmar knew that their flaunting the law can set the government on top of the entire Jewish community.

Satmar knows that there are many things that the entire Jewish community doesn't teach (liberal sex education) that the left wants to force in every yeshiva.

Satmar knows that if the government goes into satmar Yeshivas, they will also go into every other yeshiva, even the most left wing modern Orthodox ones, and force changes on to everyone

Satmar thinks they are the greatest Jewish community ever

Satmar doesn't care about anyone besides Satmar

Satmar will endanger the spiritual well being of the entire Jewish community for any reason that benefits Satmar

Great Job of bashing Satmar by spewing nonsensical phrases without any substance.

This issue is not about Satmar, it is about ALL Chasidisha Schools, so its a bit puzzling why you and other commentators are singling out Satmar again & again.

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 Mar 28, 2018 at 09:50 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #24  
Educated Archy Says:

So can I ask as a curious outsider trying to understand a jewish hashkofa? I am a jew and its my job to search for the torahdik hashkofa and emes.

I am not suggesting to impose anything or get involved with your system.

I simply am asking like the boy by the seder searching for the truth. So we tell him its none of your business?

So let me ask the question again,
What exactly is the satmar and yeshvsih hashkafa about teaching secular studies in 9th grade? (As a frum jew its my business to seek and learn the right hashkafa)
And if I can ask one more question, mah nishtna hador hzeh mkol hadoros? Why did satamar under the R yoel zy'a have english and why does the year 2018 differ?

Again not looking to impose anything but lets discuss hashkofa.

C'mon do you think that we really that stupid ? to believe that all you want is just to innocently search for the torahdik haskofa & emes.

Well if you did , then you would look up history on this issue The Holy Netziv chose to close the holy Volozhin Yeshiva , then rather let the Russian Govmt interfere & dictate what to study in the Yeshiva

Did you know that the holy Chofetz Chaim (not from the Chasidim) undertook a dangerous arduous journey when he was close to 90 YO to Warsaw to petition the Russian education minister not to interfere with the Jewish education?

No but you would rather listen to what that loser bum Moster has to say .

Bottom line, all through history we do find great gedolim that did study secular subjects, but never did ANY gadol agree to & sanction the government interfering & dictate what to study.

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 Apr 01, 2018 at 10:42 PM ALTERG4 Says:

# 1 2 3 4 are plain a bunch of jew haters,
The jewish school education is the best & no one can or will fight it,
You can all choose to go to public school,
Moster from yafad is a plain looser he has a weak head never learned anything has no job so he is trying to blame it on the jewish system,
He will not succeed with his court he is busy with this already 4 years & no results,
He could have go to school this 4 years & build a big buissnes but he rather choose to cry & blaming others,
What a looser.

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