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New York - Study Names New Square Poorest Town In NY

Published on: May 9, 2018 10:30 PM
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New York - A report published by financial news and opinion website 24/7 Wall Street gives New Square the dubious honor of being both the poorest town in New York State and the town with the highest poverty rate in the nation.

According to the report (http://bit.ly/2G1WaPU), the median household income in New Square is $21,773, $38,968 less than the median household income in the state.

Kiryas Joel came in a close second to New Square, with median household incomes of almost $5,000 higher. 

Only four towns on the state by state listing of poorest towns in the United States had median household incomes lower than New Square:  South Tucson, Arizona, East Cleveland, Ohio, Brownsville, Florida and Ville Platte, Louisiana.

Poverty rates in the study were defined as an annual income of less than $25,100 per year for a family of four, with New Square’s 70 percent rate far surpassing Centerville, Illinois’s 50.1 percent poverty rate, the second highest in the nation. 

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New Square also had the highest rate of SNAP recipients in the country with 77.1 percent of the village’s residents relying on supplemental aid programs to feed their families.

According to the report, towns with a significant population of low income residents typically have relatively low housing prices. New Square was the exception to that rule, with median housing prices higher than that of the state average.

The report was based on data from the United States Census Bureau’s American Community Survey, with social and economic factors based on five year estimates for the period of 2012 through 2016. 

Among the areas studied by the report were percentage of adults with high school and college diplomas, local poverty and SNAP recipient rates and median home values. 



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 May 09, 2018 at 10:41 PM Anonymous Says:

It’s NK ....

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 May 09, 2018 at 11:09 PM Judith Says:

Such a disgrace , the poorest town with higher than average real estate prices .

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 May 09, 2018 at 11:27 PM lazy-boy Says:

frum people who sit and learn and do not work are entitled to government money and that is what happens.....

however unlike other low income areas, the crime rate is low....

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 May 10, 2018 at 12:48 AM Chaim Says:

Reply to #3  
lazy-boy Says:

frum people who sit and learn and do not work are entitled to government money and that is what happens.....

however unlike other low income areas, the crime rate is low....

Crime is always low when shoved under dirty rugs

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 May 10, 2018 at 02:39 AM eli845 Says:

Reply to #3  
lazy-boy Says:

frum people who sit and learn and do not work are entitled to government money and that is what happens.....

however unlike other low income areas, the crime rate is low....

I am not from NS and don't particularly like them (after what they did to my neighborhood) but you make no sense. The owner of the house can have money but he has 10 tenants that are in kollel. So do the math

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 May 10, 2018 at 03:30 AM triumphinwhitehouse Says:

Reply to #3  
lazy-boy Says:

frum people who sit and learn and do not work are entitled to government money and that is what happens.....

however unlike other low income areas, the crime rate is low....

Cut section 8 and snap

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 May 10, 2018 at 06:15 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
lazy-boy Says:

frum people who sit and learn and do not work are entitled to government money and that is what happens.....

however unlike other low income areas, the crime rate is low....

with the exception of arson, which they celebrate.

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 May 10, 2018 at 07:05 AM chugibugi Says:

In the meantime their leader is living a life of ostentatious luxury on the backs of these poor brainwashed chasidim,

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 May 10, 2018 at 08:10 AM Educated Archy Says:

Reply to #3  
lazy-boy Says:

frum people who sit and learn and do not work are entitled to government money and that is what happens.....

however unlike other low income areas, the crime rate is low....

Well said ,

To put it more mathematically . If you calculate the total govt expenditures per region including costs of policing & jailing and costs of public schools etc ... I bet new square takes far less than other heavy populated , large family communities . So yes they should get programs others that chose to use govt resources for ps or jails are less deserving .

Simple math even for yoni

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 May 10, 2018 at 08:43 AM Taxbucky Says:

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Judith Says:

Such a disgrace , the poorest town with higher than average real estate prices .

What in particular did you find disgraceful?
Although a lot of families fall under these guidelines as poor their life styles may show otherwise
I'm not saying there is any monkey business going on but their is outside help ( family, stipends, Parsonage etc ) not shown on tax returns.

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 May 10, 2018 at 08:51 AM Cricket Says:

The crux of this overall issue is that our system teaches us its a norm to set yourself up to be poor and rely on govt subsidy. Then when needing more money, it's only one small step away from improperly getting funds. Govt programs are designed for people who got stuck in life not for people who plan things so as to end up stuck. We need to switch our education approach to one where we train our own to all think and plan for success and then help out or use govt programs if life throws a curveball and you end up stuck.

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 May 10, 2018 at 09:04 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
lazy-boy Says:

frum people who sit and learn and do not work are entitled to government money and that is what happens.....

however unlike other low income areas, the crime rate is low....

Where in the constitution does it say whoever sits and learns is entitled to anything?

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 May 10, 2018 at 10:40 AM monishmo Says:

Its so sad to see how am yisroel is so quick to judge....None of commenters are basing their judgement on facts about these new square individuals....Its just a bunch of some sort haters.... Live and let live!!

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 May 10, 2018 at 10:53 AM ercsd Says:

Reply to #9  
Educated Archy Says:

Well said ,

To put it more mathematically . If you calculate the total govt expenditures per region including costs of policing & jailing and costs of public schools etc ... I bet new square takes far less than other heavy populated , large family communities . So yes they should get programs others that chose to use govt resources for ps or jails are less deserving .

Simple math even for yoni

You aren't very good at rationalizing. If you go to public school you are less deserving, what a stupid comment. I did Grand Jury duty twice in Rockland County and both times we were given cases to decide for New Square residents. Whatever happened to the 3 million of gov't money that they took for the internet and that they don't have? How much money does New Square get from East Ramapo for transportation (bussing kids a very short distance) and special ed. services, I guess you can rationalize that too.

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 May 10, 2018 at 11:27 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #13  
monishmo Says:

Its so sad to see how am yisroel is so quick to judge....None of commenters are basing their judgement on facts about these new square individuals....Its just a bunch of some sort haters.... Live and let live!!

The celebration of arson is a fact.

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 May 10, 2018 at 11:41 AM Educated Archy Says:

Reply to #4  
Chaim Says:

Crime is always low when shoved under dirty rugs

narsihkitten. Those crimes you refer too are extremely seldom and rare. Still much much much much lower even if you pull out all rugs.

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 May 10, 2018 at 11:41 AM Educated Archy Says:

Reply to #7  
Anonymous Says:

with the exception of arson, which they celebrate.

isolated incidents

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 May 10, 2018 at 11:47 AM Educated Archy Says:

Reply to #12  
Anonymous Says:

Where in the constitution does it say whoever sits and learns is entitled to anything?

Where in the constitution does it say those here illegal are entitled to programs?
Where in the constitution does it say those on drugs are entitled to programs?
Where in the constitution does it say pregnant irresponsible teenagers whose dads offer no child support and disappear are entitled to programs?
Where in the constitution does it say the poor needs snap wic hud medicad etc and should earn more than an accountant?

The point is that in the greater spirit of things in terms of productive societies, NS is far more productive than the slums in downtown Chicago. I am anti programs too (including for the frum.) I don't think frum people should get programs either. Or rather programs should be limited. I have often proposed maxing progarms to an aggregate of 20k's worth a year between all programs. But to put it in perspective the Frum deserve it the most and take the least (as I outlined above).

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 May 10, 2018 at 11:51 AM Educated Archy Says:

Reply to #11  
Cricket Says:

The crux of this overall issue is that our system teaches us its a norm to set yourself up to be poor and rely on govt subsidy. Then when needing more money, it's only one small step away from improperly getting funds. Govt programs are designed for people who got stuck in life not for people who plan things so as to end up stuck. We need to switch our education approach to one where we train our own to all think and plan for success and then help out or use govt programs if life throws a curveball and you end up stuck.

Very well said.

Govt programs are designed for people who got stuck
Ideally, I wish that were true. And its perhaps intended for that. But its far from "designed" for people who get stuck. Its "design" actually encourages income inequality. Why be an accountant and sweat 60 billable hours a week when I can work at some local job for 30 hours a week and earn more money via govt programs?

So the design is actually very bad. But in theory you are still correct.

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 May 10, 2018 at 11:59 AM Educated Archy Says:

Reply to #14  
ercsd Says:

You aren't very good at rationalizing. If you go to public school you are less deserving, what a stupid comment. I did Grand Jury duty twice in Rockland County and both times we were given cases to decide for New Square residents. Whatever happened to the 3 million of gov't money that they took for the internet and that they don't have? How much money does New Square get from East Ramapo for transportation (bussing kids a very short distance) and special ed. services, I guess you can rationalize that too.

Show me the math.

Who takes more money? Yes you can find scandals. yes they take money for bussing as do public schools. But who overall takes more money?

I do not rationalize bad behavior. But in the aggregate of things we take less money. Its not about who is more or less deserving. Its about limited resources and allocation.

Imagine, If you took all tax payer monies and put it in buckets .
Divide the all tax money in half ( or based on population. Lets assume its 50/50 but same can be done if its 60/40)
NS and frum monsey jews gets one bucket, Latino's or other money minorities in another bucket. Whose tax money is exhausted first?

That doesn't justify illegal or crooked deals. But, I make a mathematical argument? Now please address the math

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 May 10, 2018 at 12:37 PM jake Says:

famous last words 'studies have shown'

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 May 10, 2018 at 12:29 PM ercsd Says:

Reply to #20  
Educated Archy Says:

Show me the math.

Who takes more money? Yes you can find scandals. yes they take money for bussing as do public schools. But who overall takes more money?

I do not rationalize bad behavior. But in the aggregate of things we take less money. Its not about who is more or less deserving. Its about limited resources and allocation.

Imagine, If you took all tax payer monies and put it in buckets .
Divide the all tax money in half ( or based on population. Lets assume its 50/50 but same can be done if its 60/40)
NS and frum monsey jews gets one bucket, Latino's or other money minorities in another bucket. Whose tax money is exhausted first?

That doesn't justify illegal or crooked deals. But, I make a mathematical argument? Now please address the math

You should change your moniker to Babbling Archy, it would be more appropriate.
The article says New Square has the highest percentage of SNAP recipients in the USA. Yet there median house price is higher than the State average. There is your math. There is who takes more money. It's time to stop babbling and face the facts. The facts are right there in black and white. How do you support your family? You seem to be on the internet all day.

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 May 10, 2018 at 02:03 PM Educated Archy Says:

Reply to #22  
ercsd Says:

You should change your moniker to Babbling Archy, it would be more appropriate.
The article says New Square has the highest percentage of SNAP recipients in the USA. Yet there median house price is higher than the State average. There is your math. There is who takes more money. It's time to stop babbling and face the facts. The facts are right there in black and white. How do you support your family? You seem to be on the internet all day.

Sure they take more snap

But do they take more overall govt money? Sum up, costs of PS, costs of polcing and crime enforcement and costs of programs together. Aggregate all govt expenditures in one bucket. Which group do we overall spend more money on? Lets not focus on just snap or medicad?

Now show me that math buddy.

Re you last question, yes I am on the internet all day. Because I work for a living in corporate america and I sit by a computer all day. And yes we are allowed to take small breaks every now and then. I use it to go on vin vs the cafteria, walks etc.. Only someone who without education and no meaningful job in the corporate world makes your last silly argument.

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 May 10, 2018 at 02:07 PM Anonymous Says:

I only know very "comfortable" people who live in new square and have beautiful homes. Full of luxuries... Very high living Standards! So maybe if they took their "low incomes" and put it towards necessities then they wouldn't have to have every single govt. program that exists. They all live for free!

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 May 10, 2018 at 03:14 PM PaulinSaudi Says:

It is always sad to see families unable to support themselves who depend on others to feed their children.

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 May 10, 2018 at 05:49 PM FactsRule Says:

#11, Cricket says, "Govt programs are designed for people who got stuck in life not for people who plan things so as to end up stuck."
And, #19, responds, but leaves out the reason America has this Welfare system.
Liberalism & its main Party, Democrat, created massive redistribution of wealth, particularly in the 1930s & '60s, which caused & continues causing generational poverty, for a permanent constituent base.
Liberals/Progressives have perpetuated the Big Evil Lie that Big Government redistribution of wealth to chosen groups is compassionate.
It's the opposite & it's bankrupted America, though that isn't publicized enough.
America is approximately 270 trillion dollars in debt when considering all unfunded liabilities & balances on local, state, & federal levels.
This happened because the more governments came between us, the worse our financial situation became.
It's simple. If I give 10 people a dollar each, they each receive a dollar. If I give a government worker (about 1 in 10 Americans is a govt. worker) $10 to give 10 people, they get about 25 or 30 cents each.
So, Liberals, who's compassionate, supporters of no govt. welfare (The Constitution) or those supportive?

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 May 10, 2018 at 06:09 PM monishmo Says:

Reply to #15  
Anonymous Says:

The celebration of arson is a fact.

celebration of arson isnt the subject here at all. If you want to talk about the arson he got what he deserved and he served as an individual

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 May 10, 2018 at 08:05 PM Judith Says:

Reply to #10  
Taxbucky Says:

What in particular did you find disgraceful?
Although a lot of families fall under these guidelines as poor their life styles may show otherwise
I'm not saying there is any monkey business going on but their is outside help ( family, stipends, Parsonage etc ) not shown on tax returns.

The disgrace is exactly that. ALL income must be reported, including gifts.

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 May 10, 2018 at 08:02 PM Judith Says:

Reply to #3  
lazy-boy Says:

frum people who sit and learn and do not work are entitled to government money and that is what happens.....

however unlike other low income areas, the crime rate is low....

The crime rate is high if you count welfare and food stamp fraud, tax evasion, etc.

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 May 11, 2018 at 09:24 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #29  
Judith Says:

The crime rate is high if you count welfare and food stamp fraud, tax evasion, etc.

it's especially high if you count arson

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