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Jerusalem - El Al To Charedim: Take Your Assigned Seat Or Get Off The Plane

Published on: June 25, 2018 10:50 PM
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Jerusalem - Just days after four Charedi men caused a delay on an El Al flight after refusing to sit next to women, the Israeli airline has announced that it will remove any passengers who refuse to sit in their ticketed seats.

Ynet News reported that the abrupt change of policy came about after Barak Eilam, CEO of global software solutions provider NICE Systems, announced on Linked In today that his company would no longer be availing itself of El Al’s services.

“At NICE we don’t do business with companies that discriminate against race, gender or religion,” wrote Eilam.  “NICE will not fly @EL AL Israel Airlines until they change their practice and actions discriminating against women.”

As previously reported on VIN News, a Tel Aviv bound flight from New York experienced a delay of over an hour last Thursday night as the flight crew attempted to relocate female passengers in order to accommodate the preferences of a handful of Charedi travelers.

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Responding to Eilam’s declaration, El Al CEO Gonen Ussishkin took swift action.

“From here on, travelers who refuse to sit next to another traveler will be removed expeditiously from the aircraft,” said Ussishkin.

El Al has long faced issues because of Charedi passengers refusing to sit next to women. 

In June 2017 the airline was found guilty of discrimination after it asked an 83 year old female Holocaust survivor seated in business class if she would mind changing seats in order to accommodate the religious beliefs of a Chasidic looking man. 

In another incident reported in 2012, a Florida woman sued El Al for reseating her without prior warning in order to accommodate the preferences of a Charedi passenger.

According to a 2012 Haaretz article, groups of Charedi men frequently take to the aisles just prior to takeoff, asking female passengers to switch seats with them so that they can create clusters of male-only seating, making it easier to put together minyanim for davening and to create a movie-free zone.

On some flights, Charedi passengers have also been observed putting up makeshift partitions in order to shield their eyes from in flight entertainment. 



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 Jun 25, 2018 at 11:19 PM Anonymous Says:

This policy could have been adopted years ago by El Al; unfortunately, not one of those overpaid El Al executives had the guts to implement it!

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 Jun 25, 2018 at 11:38 PM Educated Archy Says:

Why not make a charedi section for those that want ? You can even charge more for it .

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 Jun 25, 2018 at 11:44 PM Shmiel Says:

About time. Maybe Monsey Trails can open an airline to accommodate.

4

 Jun 25, 2018 at 11:58 PM Mark Levin Says:

What a bunch of foolish leftist Israelis. Let's say the frum community listens to ElAl's kish mir you know where message, I have no doubt the airline will cease to exist within a year.

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 Jun 26, 2018 at 12:29 AM kolemes Says:

According the the FBI in-flight harassment against women have surged in the past year.
So in essense separate seating actually protects woman.
Ive seen plenty of frum women not wanting to sit next to strange men its just the law of numbers that many more frum men travel by themself then frum women.
Elal is horrible when it comes to respecting the frum community especially by davaning.
Ive flown United and had a steward tell me to tell her when i want to daven and theh will clearout the back for the minyan unheard of on elal flight.
With over 35% frum customers and growing ill say to elal bring it on throw us off and then the real boycott will start.
They will come on all four crying begging us to come back.

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 Jun 26, 2018 at 12:42 AM Esther Says:

So dumb.

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 Jun 26, 2018 at 01:42 AM lazy-boy Says:

I am a frum person and traveled much. I have had the miserable luck to have to sit next to woeman who do not dress properly or act properly. It is not pleasant sitting next to some one with a mini skirt.

One time, I sat next to a woeman who was drunk and keep drinking and tried to flirt with me. disgusting!

Another time a woeman fell asleep and kept putting her head on my shoulder. (I bopped my should up several times during the flight!)

There should be rules to accommodate men who wish to have their sit changed!

PS I know woman is not spelled woeman, but these females were really woe to me!

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 Jun 26, 2018 at 02:44 AM Anonymous Says:

Coming from the Yidisha medina that shld respect Jewish values but the opposite holds true. While improper behavior cannot be condoned by chareidim there is always a way of satisfying both sides besides if its a secular self hating Jew that is provocative and all she wants is to spite charedim which is usually the case.
May the “yiddishe medina” b alive and well. Lol!!!

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 Jun 26, 2018 at 04:51 AM Normal Says:

Or book a seat with your mates to avoid the Chillul Hashem

10

 Jun 26, 2018 at 04:59 AM chugibugi Says:

It should have been done years ago,behaving like ignorant savages has nothing to do with Yidishkeit

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 Jun 26, 2018 at 06:24 AM fat36 Says:

It took them that long to wake up

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 Jun 26, 2018 at 07:56 AM Fuzzywuzzy Says:

Why don’t they just make a designated “men’s section” and “woman’s section” and “mixed section” and everyone will be happy? It’s a no brainer !!!

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 Jun 26, 2018 at 08:05 AM MAYERFREUND Says:

I advice that the chariedim should stop using el al. Watch how quick they will change this rule.

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 Jun 25, 2018 at 11:15 PM Moose Says:

It’s so simple.
El al should assign male only sections when booking. If ur a chosid and want special seating - just ask for it.
Problem solved.
(Those who couldn’t be bothered to ask in advance -truly too bad).

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 Jun 26, 2018 at 08:22 AM Easygoing770 Says:

Male only separate seating organized by the airline is a great idea. There're definite ways of solving this problem. El-Al should wake up to the reality of the changing demographic and act accordingly. Or someone mentioned a Monroe bus style airline accommodating the oilam, great idea!!

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 Jun 26, 2018 at 08:33 AM georgeg Says:

“At NICE we don’t do business with companies that discriminate against race, gender or religion”

So instead he will do business with establishments that discriminate against Orthodox Jewish men (that is discrimination on two grounds - religion and gender) by forcing the latter to sit with women?

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 Jun 26, 2018 at 08:59 AM grandbear Says:

Just as there used to be a non smoking section, let the airline have a men only section if possible.

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 Jun 26, 2018 at 09:34 AM mgold Says:

As expected from the official airline of the So called "jewish" state

This is why me & all my friends never fly ELAL, the are the most disgusting anti religious airline
Never accommodate a minyan etc.
Feh
Time for all chareidim to start using other goyisha airlines that are way more understanding to the needs of the chareidy passenger

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 Jun 26, 2018 at 09:47 AM yaakov doe Says:

How does the Saudi airline handle this?

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 Jun 26, 2018 at 09:49 AM NJMoshe Says:

Reply to #2  
Educated Archy Says:

Why not make a charedi section for those that want ? You can even charge more for it .

Marvelous idea! They should also have a section for Caucasians only, who do not wish to sit next to blacks. Also a special section for Jews in general, who will wear yellow stars on their clothing (purely voluntary of course)! And I don't like sitting next to Roma people, so they should have a special section too.

Also I would be sure that what Monsey Trails does (mentioned in another post) is illegal, but the corrupt NY politicians don't enforce laws which are opposed by Jewish communities that vote as a bloc.

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 Jun 26, 2018 at 10:00 AM fat36 Says:

Reply to #5  
kolemes Says:

According the the FBI in-flight harassment against women have surged in the past year.
So in essense separate seating actually protects woman.
Ive seen plenty of frum women not wanting to sit next to strange men its just the law of numbers that many more frum men travel by themself then frum women.
Elal is horrible when it comes to respecting the frum community especially by davaning.
Ive flown United and had a steward tell me to tell her when i want to daven and theh will clearout the back for the minyan unheard of on elal flight.
With over 35% frum customers and growing ill say to elal bring it on throw us off and then the real boycott will start.
They will come on all four crying begging us to come back.

Not just ElAl who has issues with THOSE type of people were ever I see them there act like animals they have no recpect for anyone.

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 Jun 26, 2018 at 10:01 AM fat36 Says:

Reply to #7  
lazy-boy Says:

I am a frum person and traveled much. I have had the miserable luck to have to sit next to woeman who do not dress properly or act properly. It is not pleasant sitting next to some one with a mini skirt.

One time, I sat next to a woeman who was drunk and keep drinking and tried to flirt with me. disgusting!

Another time a woeman fell asleep and kept putting her head on my shoulder. (I bopped my should up several times during the flight!)

There should be rules to accommodate men who wish to have their sit changed!

PS I know woman is not spelled woeman, but these females were really woe to me!

You sound like a pervert

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 Jun 26, 2018 at 10:02 AM woodmerejoe Says:

Forbid international perverts with Russian hands and Roman fingers from flying.Who needs holier than thou hasids with special food on El AL

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 Jun 26, 2018 at 10:03 AM fat36 Says:

Reply to #9  
Normal Says:

Or book a seat with your mates to avoid the Chillul Hashem

They don’t understand what that means

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 Jun 26, 2018 at 10:06 AM fat36 Says:

Reply to #4  
Mark Levin Says:

What a bunch of foolish leftist Israelis. Let's say the frum community listens to ElAl's kish mir you know where message, I have no doubt the airline will cease to exist within a year.

You think delta or other airline will go for your crap

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 Jun 26, 2018 at 10:08 AM fat36 Says:

Reply to #17  
grandbear Says:

Just as there used to be a non smoking section, let the airline have a men only section if possible.

If they didn’t do everything in an aggressive way and had a representative speak to someone at the airline yes that may have worked

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 Jun 26, 2018 at 10:09 AM elyeh Says:

A male only section is probably illegal !
If you are flying with others, arrange the advance seating that you want. If it costs more, then that is like paying extra for kashrus.

As stated in the article:“At NICE we don’t do business with companies that discriminate against race, gender or religion,” wrote Eilam. “NICE will not fly @EL AL Israel Airlines until they change their practice and actions discriminating against women.”

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 Jun 26, 2018 at 10:17 AM ercsd Says:

Reply to #12  
Fuzzywuzzy Says:

Why don’t they just make a designated “men’s section” and “woman’s section” and “mixed section” and everyone will be happy? It’s a no brainer !!!

Maybe the Monsey bus could do this as well.

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 Jun 26, 2018 at 11:02 AM Anonymous Says:

Not a single Airline would allow a plane to be delayed by 75 min. as happened last week. I have flown United many times and 20 min before scheduled departure they bring on Ground Crew to help everybody with overhead luggage etc. to make sure flight can leave on time. When flights are full and 5 ppl (Chareidim or anyone else) are not happy with they’re assigned seats they can not delay departure because of it!!

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 Jun 26, 2018 at 11:19 AM chugibugi Says:

Reply to #7  
lazy-boy Says:

I am a frum person and traveled much. I have had the miserable luck to have to sit next to woeman who do not dress properly or act properly. It is not pleasant sitting next to some one with a mini skirt.

One time, I sat next to a woeman who was drunk and keep drinking and tried to flirt with me. disgusting!

Another time a woeman fell asleep and kept putting her head on my shoulder. (I bopped my should up several times during the flight!)

There should be rules to accommodate men who wish to have their sit changed!

PS I know woman is not spelled woeman, but these females were really woe to me!

and then you woke up and realized it was unfortunately only a dream LOL,i can just imagine how you fantasize all day long and wish this happens to you,please go and take your meds.

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 Jun 26, 2018 at 11:30 AM chugibugi Says:

Reply to #7  
lazy-boy Says:

I am a frum person and traveled much. I have had the miserable luck to have to sit next to woeman who do not dress properly or act properly. It is not pleasant sitting next to some one with a mini skirt.

One time, I sat next to a woeman who was drunk and keep drinking and tried to flirt with me. disgusting!

Another time a woeman fell asleep and kept putting her head on my shoulder. (I bopped my should up several times during the flight!)

There should be rules to accommodate men who wish to have their sit changed!

PS I know woman is not spelled woeman, but these females were really woe to me!

And then you woke up and realized that unfortunately it was only A DREAM, you must be fantasizing about this all day long and wishing it finally happens to you LOL, please go and take your meds.

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 Jun 26, 2018 at 11:57 AM LOW IQ YONI Says:

Why don't they have a separate seating section on the plane. There should be family seating and separate seating sections.

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 Jun 26, 2018 at 12:00 PM Fuzzywuzzy Says:

Reply to #20  
NJMoshe Says:

Marvelous idea! They should also have a section for Caucasians only, who do not wish to sit next to blacks. Also a special section for Jews in general, who will wear yellow stars on their clothing (purely voluntary of course)! And I don't like sitting next to Roma people, so they should have a special section too.

Also I would be sure that what Monsey Trails does (mentioned in another post) is illegal, but the corrupt NY politicians don't enforce laws which are opposed by Jewish communities that vote as a bloc.

The obvious difference is we are not discriminating against ladies. Everyone (who wants to understand the difference) understands this.

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 Jun 26, 2018 at 12:05 PM Katanti Says:

Absolutely disgusting! Haredi men who refuse to sit next to women has nothing whatsoever to do with "gender discrimination" and everything to do with Jewish law and religious freedom!

Barak Eilam, CEO of global software solutions is obviously a leftist who is intolerant of Haredim, much like most leftist.
El-Al CEO, Gonen Ussishkin is most likely a leftist as well, who sympathizes with this twisted and distorted notion.

This follows in the footsteps of the far left in the USA where attacking religious freedom is on the increase, especially against President Trump's stance of safeguarding religious freedom.

It's President Trump however, who moved the US Embassy to Jerusalem which the left never allowed for.

It would be prudent and proper to make sure that upon booking, Haredi men be allocated appropriate seats. That could be easily accomplished.

Where there's a will, there's a way. Apparantly there is no such will!

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 Jun 26, 2018 at 12:11 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #10  
chugibugi Says:

It should have been done years ago,behaving like ignorant savages has nothing to do with Yidishkeit

On the contrary, it has everything to do with Yiddishkeit! It is a Halacha (Jewish Law) not sit next to a woman. So don't be a moron!

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 Jun 26, 2018 at 12:13 PM Katanti Says:

Reply to #16  
georgeg Says:

“At NICE we don’t do business with companies that discriminate against race, gender or religion”

So instead he will do business with establishments that discriminate against Orthodox Jewish men (that is discrimination on two grounds - religion and gender) by forcing the latter to sit with women?

WELL SAID!

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 Jun 26, 2018 at 12:17 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #22  
fat36 Says:

You sound like a pervert

Takes one to know one, lol!

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 Jun 26, 2018 at 12:19 PM Danniel Says:

Reply to #22  
fat36 Says:

You sound like a pervert

Very well said! Point on.

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 Jun 26, 2018 at 12:20 PM Katanti Says:

Reply to #31  
chugibugi Says:

And then you woke up and realized that unfortunately it was only A DREAM, you must be fantasizing about this all day long and wishing it finally happens to you LOL, please go and take your meds.

I guess you are secular and would just love all that!

40

 Jun 26, 2018 at 12:27 PM favish Says:

Reply to #23  
woodmerejoe Says:

Forbid international perverts with Russian hands and Roman fingers from flying.Who needs holier than thou hasids with special food on El AL

'holier than thou'.?.whats a cjhristian doing on a jewish shomer torah site??

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 Jun 26, 2018 at 12:30 PM Danniel Says:

Reply to #31  
chugibugi Says:

And then you woke up and realized that unfortunately it was only A DREAM, you must be fantasizing about this all day long and wishing it finally happens to you LOL, please go and take your meds.

Yes! Lol

42

 Jun 26, 2018 at 01:41 PM clear-thinker Says:

Reply to #19  
yaakov doe Says:

How does the Saudi airline handle this?

If you show a letter from Alter G you can sit next to the pilot

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 Jun 26, 2018 at 01:43 PM S_Mintz Says:

There are several "classes" of tickets: it's not just coach, business and 1st. El Al can label blocks of tickets as a certain class that could be grouped as consecutive "men or women only" seats on their planes and offer them at a higher cost. They can even sell these tickets to exclusive brokers who will pay them extra for the right to sell them. Frum people pay extra for these types things: noone will complain if they offer a premium service at a higher price.

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 Jun 26, 2018 at 02:25 PM Shmiel Says:

Reply to #35  
Anonymous Says:

On the contrary, it has everything to do with Yiddishkeit! It is a Halacha (Jewish Law) not sit next to a woman. So don't be a moron!

It is not against Halacha to sit next to a woman. Chimera perhaps but not Halacha. You want to be machmir than take a boat. Gezel Zman, Chilul Hashem now those are halachos.

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 Jun 26, 2018 at 02:45 PM berelw Says:

about time! all airlines should adopt this rule. serial offenders should be blacklisted from flying! what a chilul hashem this causes, not to mention they waste hundreds of other peoples time. gezailas hazman!
if these people really care about this, book accordingly beforehand book an entire row, or whatever. where in shulchan aruch does it say dont sit next to a woman..ahavs yisroel is doraisa!!!

KOL HKOVOD to ELAL!!!

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 Jun 26, 2018 at 07:19 PM StevenWright Says:

Reply to #20  
NJMoshe Says:

Marvelous idea! They should also have a section for Caucasians only, who do not wish to sit next to blacks. Also a special section for Jews in general, who will wear yellow stars on their clothing (purely voluntary of course)! And I don't like sitting next to Roma people, so they should have a special section too.

Also I would be sure that what Monsey Trails does (mentioned in another post) is illegal, but the corrupt NY politicians don't enforce laws which are opposed by Jewish communities that vote as a bloc.

How about an special section for hateful lunatics like you? For a modest upgrade psychiatric care is available, plus free issues of Mein Kampf and Der Sturmer.

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 Jun 26, 2018 at 08:28 PM fat36 Says:

Reply to #37  
Anonymous Says:

Takes one to know one, lol!

I’m glad it makes you feel better knowing that I’m a pervert to

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 Jun 26, 2018 at 08:15 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #18  
mgold Says:

As expected from the official airline of the So called "jewish" state

This is why me & all my friends never fly ELAL, the are the most disgusting anti religious airline
Never accommodate a minyan etc.
Feh
Time for all chareidim to start using other goyisha airlines that are way more understanding to the needs of the chareidy passenger

WAIT A MINUTE! WE ARE ALL MISSING SOMETHING HERE. This is not only about sitting next to a woman. This also involves sitting between two women. Not only chassidim object, any frum Yid would object. I saw this issue on a recent flight. and nobody wanted to change seats, and certainly no one was willing to give up a window or aisle seat. But even seating next to a woman should not be forced on someone who objects to it on religious grounds. This is not discriminatiuon against women, just as not shaking hands with a woman is not an insult to her. Where is the Agudah and other organizations when it comes to defend frum Jews. Would MK Litzman sit next to a woman? Would any member of the Moatzei ? They all fly buisness class, but not everyone can afford it. WE SHOULD BE BOYCOTTING EL The solution is easy: Just like you can reject the Rabbanut hechsher and order special Kosher, you should be able to request special seating, which means NOT BETWEEN TWO WOMEN and, if you request, not next to a woman. We're talking about a few passengers on each plane, not a men section. El Al could and must accomodate frum people who are uncomfortable sitting next to a strange woman for 12 hours.

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 Jun 26, 2018 at 09:33 PM PaulinSaudi Says:

#19 Saudia makes no special arrangements for same-sex sections. The problem has never come up. They do have a prayer area at the back of some planes. People tend to sleep on the floor back there.

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 Jun 27, 2018 at 03:37 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #37  
Anonymous Says:

Takes one to know one, lol!

You missed the point! You're the only pervert!

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 Jun 27, 2018 at 03:49 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #44  
Shmiel Says:

It is not against Halacha to sit next to a woman. Chimera perhaps but not Halacha. You want to be machmir than take a boat. Gezel Zman, Chilul Hashem now those are halachos.

It absolutely is Halacha. Not a chumra as you claim and it's kitah aleph knowledge. Therefore you're obviously no Talmud Chochem! LOL!

Sitting between two women is even more serious. It won't get you Kores like zera vatuleh or chillul Shabbos, but certainly no serious student of Torah would allow for it.

The Halacha is based on the edict of not subjecting oneself to the nision (test) of temptation, genius!

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 Jun 27, 2018 at 01:28 PM NJMoshe Says:

Reply to #46  
StevenWright Says:

How about an special section for hateful lunatics like you? For a modest upgrade psychiatric care is available, plus free issues of Mein Kampf and Der Sturmer.

Thanks StephenWrong! Maybe you should learn to understand irony and sarcasm.

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 Jun 28, 2018 at 11:24 AM favish Says:

Reply to #45  
berelw Says:

about time! all airlines should adopt this rule. serial offenders should be blacklisted from flying! what a chilul hashem this causes, not to mention they waste hundreds of other peoples time. gezailas hazman!
if these people really care about this, book accordingly beforehand book an entire row, or whatever. where in shulchan aruch does it say dont sit next to a woman..ahavs yisroel is doraisa!!!

KOL HKOVOD to ELAL!!!

according to you and most posters we should abandon the torah because its a chillil hashem. the gemtiles hate us because of the torah---chillil hashem

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