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Published on: April 8, 2009 09:42 AM
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Noam Federman arrestedJerusalem, Israel - Police arrested extreme right wing activist Noam Federman today, after arriving with his children at the Temple Mount with a goat that he planned to sacrifice for Passover as a Korban Pesach.

Federman was stopped by police at the gates of the Temple Mount, and taken to the nearby police station by squad car.

After his investigation, Federman was released with his children, aged 12, 10 and seven-years-old, that accompanied him to the holy site.

Police banned Federman from going near the Old City in Jerusalem for one week.

“It’s a disgrace that the police prevent Jews from keeping the Passover sacrifice mitzvah,” Federman said.

“Detectives came and claimed I was violating a court order. I asked them which order and they said ‘you’ll see it at the station’. There, it turned out there was no order, but I was detained for questioning because of conduct that could have disturbed the peace,” he continued.

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Federman added that his goat had also been confiscated, and that he would demand to get it back: “I brought that goat from my farm, I chose the best goat I had, of the Alpine species.”

 



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 Apr 08, 2009 at 10:11 AM chayav kareis Says:

It's a big chesed to him that he was arrested. He would have violated 2 Torah commandments which require death in the hands of Heaven. Slaughtering a sacrifice outside of the bais hamikdosh and sprinkling the blood outside of the bais hamikdosh.

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 Apr 08, 2009 at 10:29 AM Anonymous Says:

Mr. Federman, I would have taken you straight to the pshyciatric center, and maybe I would allow the goat to be with you.. what a nutcase!

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 Apr 08, 2009 at 10:28 AM norman Says:

Reply to #1  
chayav kareis Says:

It's a big chesed to him that he was arrested. He would have violated 2 Torah commandments which require death in the hands of Heaven. Slaughtering a sacrifice outside of the bais hamikdosh and sprinkling the blood outside of the bais hamikdosh.

there are achronim that hold you could bring a korban pesach today

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 Apr 08, 2009 at 10:23 AM me Says:

Reply to #1  
chayav kareis Says:

It's a big chesed to him that he was arrested. He would have violated 2 Torah commandments which require death in the hands of Heaven. Slaughtering a sacrifice outside of the bais hamikdosh and sprinkling the blood outside of the bais hamikdosh.

I believe you might be mistaken. The Korban Pesach does not need the Beis Hamikdash.

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 Apr 08, 2009 at 10:22 AM Rabbi Yokel Says:

Reply to #1  
chayav kareis Says:

It's a big chesed to him that he was arrested. He would have violated 2 Torah commandments which require death in the hands of Heaven. Slaughtering a sacrifice outside of the bais hamikdosh and sprinkling the blood outside of the bais hamikdosh.

Why don't you post your name, so that we can rightfully identify you as the poisek and gadol hador - you dolt!
Happy and Kosher Pesach to all.
Pesach is an acronym for peh-sach - the mouth talks, a reference to the mitzvah of sipur b'yitzias mitzrayim.
May all of klal Yisroel use their mouths (& keyboards) to talk divrei Torah and divrei chayrus, not dvarim bitailim and shtusim asher bodu milibam!

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 Apr 08, 2009 at 10:20 AM Milhouse Says:

Reply to #1  
chayav kareis Says:

It's a big chesed to him that he was arrested. He would have violated 2 Torah commandments which require death in the hands of Heaven. Slaughtering a sacrifice outside of the bais hamikdosh and sprinkling the blood outside of the bais hamikdosh.

He was headed to do it INSIDE, not outside. No avera there.

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 Apr 08, 2009 at 10:18 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
chayav kareis Says:

It's a big chesed to him that he was arrested. He would have violated 2 Torah commandments which require death in the hands of Heaven. Slaughtering a sacrifice outside of the bais hamikdosh and sprinkling the blood outside of the bais hamikdosh.

i think this guy needs some mental help

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 Apr 08, 2009 at 10:06 AM Who is Shechting Whom? Says:

Actually, this photo looks like a human is about to be shechted.

I hope they don't hard the idiot.

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 Apr 08, 2009 at 09:54 AM merkin Says:

This guy needs a rest.

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 Apr 08, 2009 at 09:48 AM monseyer Says:

trouble maker stays trouble maker.

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 Apr 08, 2009 at 09:41 AM erev pessach Says:

he could've called the chabad guy in puhkipsee(howver u spell it) and gotten dropped by hot air balloon with goat on the temple mount.

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 Apr 08, 2009 at 09:35 AM Yossi K Says:

Hmm... I thought the Korban Pesach was with a lamb

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 Apr 08, 2009 at 09:33 AM Goat Says:

Baa! You won't get me until Chad Gadya!

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 Apr 08, 2009 at 10:51 AM Anonymous Says:

He knew that they were going to stop and arrest him; he just wanted to make a scene.

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 Apr 08, 2009 at 10:50 AM needs the altar Says:

Reply to #6  
Milhouse Says:

He was headed to do it INSIDE, not outside. No avera there.

There was no way he was getting to the makom hamizbayach nor did he know where it is so inside is not good enough.

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 Apr 08, 2009 at 10:48 AM needs mizbayach Says:

Reply to #4  
me Says:

I believe you might be mistaken. The Korban Pesach does not need the Beis Hamikdash.

You are totally incorrect. That would be an issur of bamos and the dinim of shochet and maaleh bachutz apply.

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 Apr 08, 2009 at 10:47 AM yaakov Says:

Reply to #1  
chayav kareis Says:

It's a big chesed to him that he was arrested. He would have violated 2 Torah commandments which require death in the hands of Heaven. Slaughtering a sacrifice outside of the bais hamikdosh and sprinkling the blood outside of the bais hamikdosh.

actually, the chassam sofer has a tshuvah regarding korbon pesach bizman hazeh. (i think it's siman 180 or 181)

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 Apr 08, 2009 at 10:46 AM It needs makom hamizbeyach Says:

Reply to #3  
norman Says:

there are achronim that hold you could bring a korban pesach today

You can only bring it on the makom hamizbeyach. Even if he is a Cohen, you don't have tzits meratzeh. If he is not a cohen he is a zar and is chayav for that.

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 Apr 08, 2009 at 12:04 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #16  
needs mizbayach Says:

You are totally incorrect. That would be an issur of bamos and the dinim of shochet and maaleh bachutz apply.

ask someone who knows something and they will tell you the holy rabbi akiva eigar wanted to make a karbon pesach

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 Apr 08, 2009 at 11:45 AM Mordechai Says:

Reb Noam is MY fellow Jew and I love him unconditionally.

Be strong and of good courage. Moshiach now!

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 Apr 08, 2009 at 11:43 AM Big masmid? Says:

Reply to #1  
chayav kareis Says:

It's a big chesed to him that he was arrested. He would have violated 2 Torah commandments which require death in the hands of Heaven. Slaughtering a sacrifice outside of the bais hamikdosh and sprinkling the blood outside of the bais hamikdosh.

Who do you think you are as if you learnt rambam the rambam says that you are mechuyov to bring a karben even if the bais hamikdosh is not standing and who said that he would of sprinkel blood

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 Apr 08, 2009 at 11:28 AM PMO Says:

So to sum up all the other posts: This guy is a nutcase and we all hope he has a chag kasher v'samayach in an appropriate institution. I also hope someone is kind enough to invite his wife and children to their sedorim.

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 Apr 08, 2009 at 11:24 AM SmartDude Says:

Are you all seriously overlooking the fact that he tried to bring a GOAT for the korban which is notably done with a LAMB.....?

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 Apr 08, 2009 at 11:18 AM Amused Says:

Between the naked Chametz buster and the mad goat shechter, we are off to an interesting start to Pesash! Chag Sameach, Everyone!

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 Apr 08, 2009 at 11:09 AM nebach Says:

the cops are pulling his beard reshaim!

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 Apr 08, 2009 at 11:03 AM YOSSI Says:

Did he have Matzoh and Murer there so he can make Zeicher Lmikdesh Kehilel.?

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 Apr 08, 2009 at 10:52 AM Anonymous Says:

The Rambam says a korban Pesach should be brought even without a Bais Hamikdash.

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 Apr 08, 2009 at 12:30 PM Rabbi Akiva Eiger Says:

Reply to #19  
Anonymous Says:

ask someone who knows something and they will tell you the holy rabbi akiva eigar wanted to make a karbon pesach

He was involved in a discussion with a number of other gedolim including the Chasam Sofer about the possibility of bringing a korban pesach today.

He never actually wanted to make it due to the problems.

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 Apr 08, 2009 at 12:28 PM Rambam's meaning Says:

Reply to #21  
Big masmid? Says:

Who do you think you are as if you learnt rambam the rambam says that you are mechuyov to bring a karben even if the bais hamikdosh is not standing and who said that he would of sprinkel blood

The Rambam means that it should be brought properly even though the bais hamikdosh is not built. He did not mean in impurity in the wrong place by a person that is not fit to bring it.

The main avoda of a korbon is sprinkling the blood. Without that, it is totally posul.

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 Apr 08, 2009 at 12:25 PM can be brought Says:

Reply to #27  
Anonymous Says:

The Rambam says a korban Pesach should be brought even without a Bais Hamikdash.

He didn't mean that it should be brought improperly. He meant that it could be brought in purity by the proper people in the proper place.

This is an open gemara - makrivim af al pi sheain bayis.

How come none of the great rabbis of previous generations ever suggested that this be done? Apparently, there are issues that need to be resolved first.

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 Apr 08, 2009 at 12:24 PM midwesterner Says:

Reply to #21  
Big masmid? Says:

Who do you think you are as if you learnt rambam the rambam says that you are mechuyov to bring a karben even if the bais hamikdosh is not standing and who said that he would of sprinkel blood

There is no zrikas hadam on the korban pesach, only shficha k'neged hayesod.

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 Apr 08, 2009 at 12:23 PM Anonymous Says:

'seh' means lamb or goat

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 Apr 08, 2009 at 12:22 PM midwesterner Says:

Reply to #12  
Yossi K Says:

Hmm... I thought the Korban Pesach was with a lamb

seh samim, zachar ben shana yehye lachem. Min hakevasim umin ha'izim tikachu.

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 Apr 08, 2009 at 01:45 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
norman Says:

there are achronim that hold you could bring a korban pesach today

achronim? reshonim came before achronim and no one allowed it . i know a few tachtonim who allow it but certainly not accepted

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 Apr 08, 2009 at 01:40 PM Person With Questions Says:

Reply to #30  
can be brought Says:

He didn't mean that it should be brought improperly. He meant that it could be brought in purity by the proper people in the proper place.

This is an open gemara - makrivim af al pi sheain bayis.

How come none of the great rabbis of previous generations ever suggested that this be done? Apparently, there are issues that need to be resolved first.

Maybe the reason why the Rabbis did not bring the korban is because of the "Police". In other words, maybe the idea of gulus is that the Jews were actually kicked out of the land. You can't bring the korban without access to the land of Israel.

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 Apr 08, 2009 at 01:29 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #11  
erev pessach Says:

he could've called the chabad guy in puhkipsee(howver u spell it) and gotten dropped by hot air balloon with goat on the temple mount.

wha the hell is your problem always looking for ways to maake machloikos, for that reason the beis hamikdosh was destroyed, ma hakesher think b4 you write!

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 Apr 08, 2009 at 01:22 PM lfi rambam Says:

lfi harishonim im rov hatzibur tamei it is muttur. many godolim were makpid to leave yershalayim before pesach so they won't have the problem

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 Apr 08, 2009 at 02:53 PM jj Says:

perhaps the physical structure of the beis hamikdosh was destroyed, but it spiritual presence shines on forever.

I dont see the probelm with what this man tried to do.Perhaps he felt the shechina of the beis hamikdosh and wanted to bring a korban pesash.More power to him !

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 Apr 08, 2009 at 02:51 PM michoel Says:

#36.. you can see he is just kbbutzing..dont blow your top

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 Apr 08, 2009 at 03:12 PM Anonymous Says:

Accoding to the sdei gemel on hilchos kobonos in perek tes he concludes that you are absolutely not allowed to bring a korbon bzman hazei.

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 Apr 08, 2009 at 02:43 PM Milhouse Says:

Reply to #23  
SmartDude Says:

Are you all seriously overlooking the fact that he tried to bring a GOAT for the korban which is notably done with a LAMB.....?

Am hooretz you. "Korban pesach meivi min hakvosim O MIN HO'IZIM".

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 Apr 08, 2009 at 02:42 PM Milhouse Says:

Reply to #30  
can be brought Says:

He didn't mean that it should be brought improperly. He meant that it could be brought in purity by the proper people in the proper place.

This is an open gemara - makrivim af al pi sheain bayis.

How come none of the great rabbis of previous generations ever suggested that this be done? Apparently, there are issues that need to be resolved first.

Many did suggest it. That's what the whole discussion was about. None of them did it because the Turks didn't allow it. What would they have done had the Turks allowed it? Who knows, but lo ro'inu eino ra'ayoh.

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 Apr 08, 2009 at 02:16 PM esther Says:

i don't claim to be a great scholar but beside all the other shailos, aren't we all considered to be in a state of impurity and therefore unable to bring korbanos?don't we all need the tenth para aduma before korbanos can resume?

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 Apr 08, 2009 at 05:17 PM politician Says:

Do u people reslly think he wanted to make the sacrifice? he was just making a political statement. Good yom tov

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 Apr 08, 2009 at 05:14 PM jj Says:

in yeshiva I was taught that davening has replaced the need to bring korbanos....

if we need to be in a pure state to bring a korban (and perhaps only the ashes of the porah adumah can remove our impurity) then perhaps we should not be allowed to daven?

just food for thought.

have a happy pesach everyone !

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 Apr 08, 2009 at 05:05 PM korban pesach ok betumah Says:

Reply to #43  
esther Says:

i don't claim to be a great scholar but beside all the other shailos, aren't we all considered to be in a state of impurity and therefore unable to bring korbanos?don't we all need the tenth para aduma before korbanos can resume?

You are right but certain korbonos are permitted betumah.

Tumah hutra betziboor by korban pesach. Tumah is permitted (or ignored) when the majority of the people are tamei for a korban pesach.

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 Apr 08, 2009 at 05:02 PM Milhouse Says:

Reply to #43  
esther Says:

i don't claim to be a great scholar but beside all the other shailos, aren't we all considered to be in a state of impurity and therefore unable to bring korbanos?don't we all need the tenth para aduma before korbanos can resume?

Tum'ah hutra betzibur. If the whole nation is tomei, then the korban is brought anyway. Only if everyone is tohor and a few individuals are tomei do those individuals have to wait till Pesach Sheni.

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 Apr 08, 2009 at 05:02 PM Milhouse Says:

Reply to #40  
Anonymous Says:

Accoding to the sdei gemel on hilchos kobonos in perek tes he concludes that you are absolutely not allowed to bring a korbon bzman hazei.

Who is sdei gemel?

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 Apr 08, 2009 at 04:18 PM Shaul in Monsey Says:

I wish all the goat carrying members of Karbanos Today well. What I wonder is if this kind of extremism is any different than the garden variety, eat matzah with my ham and cheese variety to celebrate passover version of extremism, just in the other direction.

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 Apr 11, 2009 at 08:27 PM Anonymous Says:

For those who have posted harshly against others in this thread, please remember that if the Torah were to be told while standing on one foot it would be "love your fellow neighbor" - that means be respectful of the opinions of your fellow Yiddin folks!

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 Apr 11, 2009 at 08:40 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #48  
Milhouse Says:

Who is sdei gemel?

I hope your joking....The Sdei Gemetl, Z'zl, is one of the great achronim and authorized many famous books and essays on the the talmud.

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 Apr 11, 2009 at 10:14 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #51  
Anonymous Says:

I hope your joking....The Sdei Gemetl, Z'zl, is one of the great achronim and authorized many famous books and essays on the the talmud.

Sdei Gemetl? Would you mind telling us his real name (and also what "gemetl" means in loshon hakodesh).

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 Apr 11, 2009 at 11:45 PM bigwheeel Says:

Reply to #18  
It needs makom hamizbeyach Says:

You can only bring it on the makom hamizbeyach. Even if he is a Cohen, you don't have tzits meratzeh. If he is not a cohen he is a zar and is chayav for that.

...He's chayav for being a nut case and disturbing the peace. He needs to get a life!!!

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 Apr 11, 2009 at 11:43 PM bigwheeel Says:

Reply to #40  
Anonymous Says:

Accoding to the sdei gemel on hilchos kobonos in perek tes he concludes that you are absolutely not allowed to bring a korbon bzman hazei.

...Apparently you are a half Jew (and half Moslem). We have a S'dei Chemed. The Egyptians have a Gamal (as in Abdul Gamal Nasser) You still have that Arabic Accent. Thank You!!!

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 Apr 11, 2009 at 11:37 PM bigwheeel Says:

Reply to #5  
Rabbi Yokel Says:

Why don't you post your name, so that we can rightfully identify you as the poisek and gadol hador - you dolt!
Happy and Kosher Pesach to all.
Pesach is an acronym for peh-sach - the mouth talks, a reference to the mitzvah of sipur b'yitzias mitzrayim.
May all of klal Yisroel use their mouths (& keyboards) to talk divrei Torah and divrei chayrus, not dvarim bitailim and shtusim asher bodu milibam!

...not on the First Three nights of Yom Tov...!!!

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 Apr 12, 2009 at 12:40 AM bigwheeel Says:

Reply to #51  
Anonymous Says:

I hope your joking....The Sdei Gemetl, Z'zl, is one of the great achronim and authorized many famous books and essays on the the talmud.

...Don't know who the [Yiddishe] S'dei Gemel is, but there's a difference between "Authorizing" and "Authoring"!!!

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 Apr 12, 2009 at 01:02 AM Milhouse Says:

Reply to #54  
bigwheeel Says:

...Apparently you are a half Jew (and half Moslem). We have a S'dei Chemed. The Egyptians have a Gamal (as in Abdul Gamal Nasser) You still have that Arabic Accent. Thank You!!!

This is the same Anonymous who is constantly quoting "gadolim" whom I suspect he has made up, as well as giving the title "gadolim" to real rabbis who are fifth-rate at best. That's why I asked. There is no "Sdei Gemel" or "Gemetl", he just made it up.

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 Apr 12, 2009 at 09:37 AM Not so smart, Dude Says:

Reply to #23  
SmartDude Says:

Are you all seriously overlooking the fact that he tried to bring a GOAT for the korban which is notably done with a LAMB.....?

A goat is fine. See Shemos 12:5.

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 Apr 12, 2009 at 10:33 AM shimon Says:

Besides all the mentioned (that can be solved according to some), the main problem with Korban Pesach in our days is the Mizbeach. We need:

1.) the exact spot (too bad the british archeologists were not allowed to do excavations there 100 years ago)

2.) Mizbeach built by the whole eidah or its representatives (Sanhedrin or a king (and maybe a government elected by majority of people). A private mizbeach on the correct location is still a bamah (according to most poskim I know, I still haven't find an opposing view).

Anyway, from the comments above I see we are not ready for the korban since we don't know the basic halachos (i.e. what animal can be used). Let us all be fluent in the basic halachos of kodshim! There is a wondeful sefer around called Avodas Hakorbanos, it has a short halacha yomis for every day. It was a project of the Chofetz Chaim, written by his son-in-law (with enthusiastic haskamos from R' Chaim Ozer and R' Chaim Brisker, the new edition has a bracha and praises from R' Chaim Kanievsky) . You can find it in two formats (pocket, full size) in most seforim stores (or they can order it for you).

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 Apr 12, 2009 at 11:27 AM jed Says:

what a retard!! but he`s has got a point when it come the cops in israel they are all not religius and hate chareidim!!

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