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Brooklyn, NY - Community leaders are calling for calm in the wake of a hachnasas sefer Torah in Borough Park that dissolved into chaos, leading to the arrest of one participant.

The incident took place at approximately 6 PM this evening.

Police said that they arrived on 16th Avenue between 51st and 52nd Streets to disburse a large crowd that had gathered on the street without a permit. According to the NYPD, one individual who was walking down the center of the roadway was taken into custody after becoming “combative” when asked to move to the sidewalk.

Numerous onlookers took out their cellphones and began filming as the NYPD attempted to restrain the man, whose name has not yet been released by police.  Cell phone footage shows several police officers attempting to handcuff the unidentified man who refused to comply with their requests to put his hands behind his back, with onlookers screaming loudly at police.

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Shmira head Levi Leifer said that he had been contacted by organizers of the hachnasas sefer Torah yesterday about the procession.

No officials permits had been secured for the celebration said Leifer, who told organizers that there was no way to secure a permit on such short notice, suggesting instead that they move the procession through quickly to avoid any problems.

But issues cropped up quickly when an NYPD officer arrived on scene to discover that the street was inexplicably closed to traffic, with throngs of people taking to the roadway, explained Yidel Perlstein, chairman of Community Board 12. 

After participants refused to listen to a directive to move onto the sidewalk and began pushing police officers, additional units were called to the scene and chaos ensued.

Perlstein said that the NYPD has a long history of working together with the local community to coordinate logistics whenever a hachnasas sefer Torah is scheduled to take place.

“The police allow every single one and they are there with support,” Perlstein told VIN News.  “They bring cops to block off the street, but in this case they had zero knowledge of what was going on.”

Three other hachasas sefer Torahs went off smoothly today in Borough Park, noted Perlstein.  In each of those instances, the proper permits were obtained in advance.

“Every one that happens we inform the NYPD and they never give us a problem,” said Perlstein. “They are not here to fight us.”

Assemblyman Dov Hikind said that he has been in close contact with the commanding officer of the 66 Precinct and called for cooler heads to prevail as the facts of the incident are reviewed.

“There is no question that things got out of control today,” said Hikind.  “Everyone has to take a step back so that we can find out what happened.  We work closely with our local precinct and we don’t have a confrontational relationship with them and they are for us when we have these processions which happen almost every week.”

Hikind said that he was told that the individual who was arrested refused to listen to police when he was told to move onto the sidewalk.

“A hachnasas sefer Torah is a beautiful thing but when a police officer tells you to move, you have to listen,” said Hikind.  “Every person cannot be their own boss.”



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 Oct 07, 2018 at 09:29 PM solomon Says:

I just don't get why some Yidden think they don't have to follow police procedure and instructions. it's only looking for trouble as demonstrated by this episode.

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 Oct 07, 2018 at 09:35 PM Phineas Says:

Very unfortunate. The man will get a disorderly ticket and pay a small fine but this should not have happened. Cop says move, you move. You can discuss it after you are on the sidewalk.

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 Oct 07, 2018 at 10:05 PM dullradiance Says:

Walking in the street isn't an arrestable (?) offence.
You can get a jay walking ticket see Title 34, Section 4-04, Subsection (b) of the New York City Administrative Code.
Additionally, NYS VTL Article 27 S 1156 says that if as long as the side-walk is you should use it. The people on the street will claim that the sidewalk was congested and unsafe because of the crowds at this religiously (protected) event.
Before pushing the pedestrian, the police officer should have asked for ID and then written him up for walking in the street.

Of course if the police officer wants to escalate she can push or shove.

On the other hand, a civil rights lawyer probably could make an interesting case out of this arrest.

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 Oct 07, 2018 at 10:11 PM history Says:

i remember the same thing in germany- when police attacked us in the streets

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 Oct 07, 2018 at 10:29 PM yaakov doe Says:

What a chillul Hashem. If they had applied for a permit there would have been no incident.

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 Oct 07, 2018 at 10:31 PM Anonymous Says:

I don’t know who’s right or wrong. I just see striking viciousness in the eyes and the actions of the cops especially with blonde hair.

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 Oct 07, 2018 at 10:33 PM anon1m0us Says:

Reply to #4  
history Says:

i remember the same thing in germany- when police attacked us in the streets

Was it also during a Hachnasas Sefer Torah???

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 Oct 07, 2018 at 11:05 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #4  
history Says:

i remember the same thing in germany- when police attacked us in the streets

You really do remember?!

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 Oct 07, 2018 at 11:11 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #6  
Anonymous Says:

I don’t know who’s right or wrong. I just see striking viciousness in the eyes and the actions of the cops especially with blonde hair.

You're color blind?

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 Oct 07, 2018 at 11:19 PM BaruchD Says:

This is just so black and white and clearly we had no right to do this nor respond like we did and yelling nazi etc. The Frum world is so sick and we need a yeshua and rachmanus from shemayim.

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 Oct 07, 2018 at 11:33 PM Anonymous Says:

What a true chillul HaShem. Why do we think that we don't have to abide by din hamalchus? All they had to do was ask for a permit. and when told to move off the street by the police follow the orders. Instead we make a scene and invoke civil rights and Germany & all other idiotic reasons. There was no permit, the police were doing their jobs, obey the requests and stop being spoiled brats.

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 Oct 07, 2018 at 11:35 PM Speaksoftly Says:

Dina demalchusa dina - a permit would have avoided this chillul H-shem. Short of that, cooperation goes alot further than confrontation.

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 Oct 07, 2018 at 11:37 PM Anonymous Says:

This was nothing; all of you have a very short memory and seem to forget how the cops acted, in Borough Park, on Chol Hamoed Pesach, in 2006, after they roughed up Mr. Schick, the owner of Schick's bakery, over a traffic incident. They threw him into a paddy wagon, after he was handcuffed. One cop was overheard stating that "this is how we treat ni----s". When a large crowd gathered to protest, the cops called in the TPF and other goons who roughed up men and women. One Chassid complained that a cop pulled hair out of his beard. I remember seeing another large goon showing a Jewish woman. Yet, that slimeball Mayor Bloomberg, had the chutzpah to return to Borough Park in 2009, seeking votes. However, in 2006, he never condemned how brutal the cops acted in Borough Park. Also, in 1999, the cops shot dead Gideon Bosch of Borough Park, who was holding a hammer, and not making any aggressive moves toward them. They all got away with killing that individual.

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 Oct 07, 2018 at 11:57 PM Aron1 Says:

Reply to #4  
history Says:

i remember the same thing in germany- when police attacked us in the streets

And I remember when people had more common sense.
Oh, wait. I don't. Sorry.

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 Oct 08, 2018 at 12:13 AM lazy-boy Says:

interesting to note that here in Israel charadim do not have smart phones, but seems like in BP everyone has them.....

who were the organizers of the hachnesset sefer Torah that did not bother getting the permit? should have done it on the sidewalk instead....

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 Oct 08, 2018 at 01:19 AM Realistic Says:

Reply to #3  
dullradiance Says:

Walking in the street isn't an arrestable (?) offence.
You can get a jay walking ticket see Title 34, Section 4-04, Subsection (b) of the New York City Administrative Code.
Additionally, NYS VTL Article 27 S 1156 says that if as long as the side-walk is you should use it. The people on the street will claim that the sidewalk was congested and unsafe because of the crowds at this religiously (protected) event.
Before pushing the pedestrian, the police officer should have asked for ID and then written him up for walking in the street.

Of course if the police officer wants to escalate she can push or shove.

On the other hand, a civil rights lawyer probably could make an interesting case out of this arrest.

Walking on the roadway isn't an arrestable offence, but disobeying an officer's instruction to move, or purposefully blocking police activity is.

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 Oct 08, 2018 at 02:09 AM Bruce Says:

Unfortunately someone forgot or was ignorant of the need to co ordinate controlling traffic with police. Rather than accept his mistake and delay the march, he arrogantly goes ahead anyway pretending that holding up traffic including possibly ambulances fire trucks and police emegency responders is somehow kivod for the Torah.

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 Oct 08, 2018 at 05:41 AM Texas_Joe Says:

Reply to #6  
Anonymous Says:

I don’t know who’s right or wrong. I just see striking viciousness in the eyes and the actions of the cops especially with blonde hair.

Yes, the Yid with blond hair who was arrested does have a vicious and arrogant look in his eyes . . .

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 Oct 08, 2018 at 06:25 AM matt123 Says:

Reply to #3  
dullradiance Says:

Walking in the street isn't an arrestable (?) offence.
You can get a jay walking ticket see Title 34, Section 4-04, Subsection (b) of the New York City Administrative Code.
Additionally, NYS VTL Article 27 S 1156 says that if as long as the side-walk is you should use it. The people on the street will claim that the sidewalk was congested and unsafe because of the crowds at this religiously (protected) event.
Before pushing the pedestrian, the police officer should have asked for ID and then written him up for walking in the street.

Of course if the police officer wants to escalate she can push or shove.

On the other hand, a civil rights lawyer probably could make an interesting case out of this arrest.

As much as you have a right to have such an event (as you call it religiously protected) I don't think that allows you to have such an event without a permit (religion does not magically allow you to conduct an event in the street without the proper permits). Also last I heard refusing to comply with a lawful order of the police can get you arrested. So if there is a group that is having an illegal gathering in the street and obstructing traffic and the police do the job they are supposed to do and tell the people to get out of the street and someone refuses to listen, I assume the police have all the legal justification they need to arrest someone. Also not allowing the police in NYS to place handcuffs on you when they try to arrest you (e.g. physically resisting them putting your hands behind your back) is resisting arrest which is a class A misdemeanor (punishable by up to 1 year in jail or 3 years probation, and a fine of up to $1,000).

I have no idea exactly what occurred, but unless there is a violation of anyone's civil rights, doubt anyone other then some folks here will care much.

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 Oct 08, 2018 at 07:09 AM Shlomo-1 Says:

Reply to #3  
dullradiance Says:

Walking in the street isn't an arrestable (?) offence.
You can get a jay walking ticket see Title 34, Section 4-04, Subsection (b) of the New York City Administrative Code.
Additionally, NYS VTL Article 27 S 1156 says that if as long as the side-walk is you should use it. The people on the street will claim that the sidewalk was congested and unsafe because of the crowds at this religiously (protected) event.
Before pushing the pedestrian, the police officer should have asked for ID and then written him up for walking in the street.

Of course if the police officer wants to escalate she can push or shove.

On the other hand, a civil rights lawyer probably could make an interesting case out of this arrest.

No, but Disorderly Conduct is:
Penal Law 240.20 includes
"Without lawful authority, he disturbs any lawful assembly or meeting of persons;  or
He obstructs vehicular or pedestrian traffic;  or
He congregates with other persons in a public place and refuses to comply with a lawful order of the police to disperse;  or

Sometimes our people are wrong and the cops right.
Had this individual moved out of the street and obeyed a lawful request by the officer, there would not have been an arrest.

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 Oct 08, 2018 at 03:21 AM triumphinwhitehouse Says:

Clearly the nypd officer who pushed and shoved is a rapid anti Semite, how come no comment from kalman yeger? Because his wife jenny berger works for De blasio he doesn't want to comment against the mayor's personal protectors. Where is kalman?

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 Oct 08, 2018 at 08:31 AM MfromNY Says:

What a chillul Hashem.

Dear Mr who got arrested,
Do you not understand that your chillul hashem is now a part or the youtube library that can and will be used by anyone wanting to show jews in a negative light? I have no doubt that thursday night at 2am instead of having cha'rutah for causing a busha for Klal Yisroel , u will be telling everyone the great story of how u were arrested and wear this incident as a badge of honor.

If you are a mench, i challenge you to release a video apologizing for your actions and be an example for Klal Yisroel and show the world why we are Gods chosen people and that we not only dress the part but walk the walk and talk the talk of hakadosh baruchu.

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 Oct 08, 2018 at 09:14 AM ShatzMatz Says:

Reply to #13  
Anonymous Says:

This was nothing; all of you have a very short memory and seem to forget how the cops acted, in Borough Park, on Chol Hamoed Pesach, in 2006, after they roughed up Mr. Schick, the owner of Schick's bakery, over a traffic incident. They threw him into a paddy wagon, after he was handcuffed. One cop was overheard stating that "this is how we treat ni----s". When a large crowd gathered to protest, the cops called in the TPF and other goons who roughed up men and women. One Chassid complained that a cop pulled hair out of his beard. I remember seeing another large goon showing a Jewish woman. Yet, that slimeball Mayor Bloomberg, had the chutzpah to return to Borough Park in 2009, seeking votes. However, in 2006, he never condemned how brutal the cops acted in Borough Park. Also, in 1999, the cops shot dead Gideon Bosch of Borough Park, who was holding a hammer, and not making any aggressive moves toward them. They all got away with killing that individual.

I remember both incidents well. Mr Schick was being belligerent. He didnt give the cops a choice. They are not just going to let you off a ticket because you throw a tanttrum. The fact that it happened bein hazmanim only added to the mayhem. A bachur torched a police car. We acted no better then than the chayes in Gaza. It's a miracle that relations with the PD returned to normal so quickly.

The Gideon Busch case was a textbook police shooting. Anyone who has a weapon, threatens police and refuses to comply with commands, is asking to be shot. Gideon Busch dis not deserve your sympathy in any case. After police searched his apartment they found disturbing materials there that showed that he was a very sick individual who was into bloody horror and torture fantasies. He did not belong in our community. He just invaded it because he believed that it fit into his dangerous fantasies.

I was at the hachnusas sefer torah yesterday. The police actions were unnecessary. The whole procession would have been over in 20 minutes if they would have just let it go. But at the end of the day it was within the police rights to disperse the unauthorized event and this one individual

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 Oct 08, 2018 at 10:04 AM Anonymous Says:

most of the comments are from our typical spineless stance, where we advocate for shalom while our aggressors take advantage.

the only chilul hashem is from us, when we do absolutely nothing. i for one am proud and happy to see that a melee occurred following the anti semitic, anti jew and hate filled corrupted cops' aggression.

there should have been one hundred arrests. about time we fight back

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 Oct 08, 2018 at 10:14 AM dullradiance Says:

Reply to #20  
Shlomo-1 Says:

No, but Disorderly Conduct is:
Penal Law 240.20 includes
"Without lawful authority, he disturbs any lawful assembly or meeting of persons;  or
He obstructs vehicular or pedestrian traffic;  or
He congregates with other persons in a public place and refuses to comply with a lawful order of the police to disperse;  or

Sometimes our people are wrong and the cops right.
Had this individual moved out of the street and obeyed a lawful request by the officer, there would not have been an arrest.

Had this individual moved out of the way, then the officer would have broken up the rest of the festive religious gathering by continuing down the street with lights and P.A. announcements. (Wait a moment and hear me out.)

What ended up happening was that more professional police officers took control of the situation and determined that the correct course of action was to allow the procession to continue.

In a Jewish community just as in other communities, just because the police have the right to aggressively enforce an ordinance, doesn't mean that they must (or should) aggressively enforce it.

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 Oct 08, 2018 at 10:32 AM ShatzMatz Says:

acted outside the bounds. We cannot have anarchy. There is video of police asking him to get on the sidewalk 3 times and each time he thumbs his nose and gets back on the street. Then he resists arrest in a way that would have gotten a black person tassered in the least. This does not call for an over reaction. It is time for responsible people to take a step back, take a deep breath and smooth this over with an aim of preventing it in the future.

One way to know that you are on the wrong side of a story is if your side resorts to calling cops (even those who behave a little badly) "Nazis".

Yidel Perlstein has the right attitude to this situation. He is an asset to the community. Let him handle it and everyone else should butt out.

As a side note, something should be done about this Shomrim/Shmira rivalry before someone gets really hurt.

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 Oct 08, 2018 at 11:30 AM Shlomo-1 Says:

Reply to #25  
dullradiance Says:

Had this individual moved out of the way, then the officer would have broken up the rest of the festive religious gathering by continuing down the street with lights and P.A. announcements. (Wait a moment and hear me out.)

What ended up happening was that more professional police officers took control of the situation and determined that the correct course of action was to allow the procession to continue.

In a Jewish community just as in other communities, just because the police have the right to aggressively enforce an ordinance, doesn't mean that they must (or should) aggressively enforce it.

Yes, Police Officers are given discretion.
However, once the decided that the street should be opened, then the people should have moved off of the street.
They did NOT have the right to refuse to obey and, the point of my OP, this was not a matter of jaywalking--it's actually a crime.

So, turning your statement around--
The Jewish community, just as in other communities, just because you can sometimes get away with violating an ordinance, doesn't mean that you should fight back when the ordinance is lawfully enforced.

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 Oct 08, 2018 at 12:21 PM Maven Says:

My take:
In this great country of the USA more than anywhere else you must obey what a police officer tells you. You can fight it in court afterwards who was right.

Police officers are usually almost right even in court. They can kill a person and rarely will they be found guilty. Even with clear video that they were wrong still they are found being right.
This is America like it or not.

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 Oct 08, 2018 at 05:13 PM AuthenticSatmar Says:

Many times there are large crowds in other neighborhoods, and the police as a matter of policy choose to ignore it so that they don't rile up the neighborhood. This happens all over BedStuy and Bushwick.

The only question here is how the police acted. The fact that the individual chose to resist is not a chilul hashem. We live in a country where people are resisting the government and police on a daily basis.

And the fact is that the police were the aggressors in this case. The correct policy of the NYPD is to look away at these type of incidents. It took one hot headed officer to create this chaos.

In any other community this officer would be reprimanded, and the community would have demanded so. Yet in our community we congratulate the officer and condemn the hachnosos sefer torah. THAT is a chilul hashem.

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 Oct 08, 2018 at 05:44 PM Hakohen Says:

To: ShatzMatz- #23- Your comments to #13, are shocking, disturbing, and factually inaccurate. The fact of the matter is that Mr. Schick was double parked on a street. He had a hearing problem, and may have misunderstood the cops, who were in back of him, and wanted to pass him. I agree that he may have made an error when he acted cocky to the cops, when he exited his car. However, that by itself did not give those two goons of the NYPD to physically rough him up, handcuff him, and shove him viciously into a paddy wagon. Mr. Schick at the time was 75 years old, and certainly was not a physical threat to those two cops; perhaps their egos were hurt, and they didn't appreciate Schick acting too uppity towards them, and not being deferential enough (i.e. kissing their tuchas).. However, as Harry Truman stated "If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen". Every Jewish politician in NYC, with the exception of that phony, Bloomberg, condemned the NYPD for their heavy handed tactics against the residents of Borough Park. The cops would not have acted that way in Bed-Stuy, or in Bay Ridge.

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 Oct 08, 2018 at 06:15 PM Hakohen Says:

Your remark that the Gideon Bosch case "was a textbook police shooting", was also inaccurate. There were eyewitnesses on the scene who stated that Bosch never made any hostile moves towards the cops, or threatened them with his hammer. The cops lied, when they asserted the reverse. Bosch had been blinded by the sun, and had previously been sprayed with mace, so he couldn't even see to attack the cops. However, the five or six cops at the scene (who were poorly supervised), were too lazy to contain the situation, and wait for more experienced personnel to arrive. Instead, they took the easy way out, and blew Mr. Bosch away, and got away with it, as is usually the case in such shootings.It is extremely rare for any cop to be indicted for murder or manslaughter. Even when such cases go to trial, convictions happen in less than 25% of those cases. Incidentally, what did you mean that "he didn't belong in our community". Don't you think there are mentally challenged people living in Borough Park? The vast majority, are harmless. Your attitude regarding the 1999 Bosch case, and the 2006 Schick case case, and the police response to both, in Borough Park stinks!

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 Oct 08, 2018 at 06:26 PM OnlyMe Says:

Reply to #4  
history Says:

i remember the same thing in germany- when police attacked us in the streets

A VERY big difference is that those Hachnasas Sefer Torahs that followed the rules and got a permit had police protection. This one that didn't, was told to stay on the sidewalks.
It is amazing how someone as old as you, that you rmember Nazi Germany, is so computer savy.

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 Oct 08, 2018 at 07:03 PM Redner Says:

Reply to #22  
MfromNY Says:

What a chillul Hashem.

Dear Mr who got arrested,
Do you not understand that your chillul hashem is now a part or the youtube library that can and will be used by anyone wanting to show jews in a negative light? I have no doubt that thursday night at 2am instead of having cha'rutah for causing a busha for Klal Yisroel , u will be telling everyone the great story of how u were arrested and wear this incident as a badge of honor.

If you are a mench, i challenge you to release a video apologizing for your actions and be an example for Klal Yisroel and show the world why we are Gods chosen people and that we not only dress the part but walk the walk and talk the talk of hakadosh baruchu.

Maybe he should have gone onto the sidewalk. He didn't. Does that give the cop the right to shove him & rough him up like that?

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 Oct 08, 2018 at 10:48 PM ercsd Says:

Reply to #29  
AuthenticSatmar Says:

Many times there are large crowds in other neighborhoods, and the police as a matter of policy choose to ignore it so that they don't rile up the neighborhood. This happens all over BedStuy and Bushwick.

The only question here is how the police acted. The fact that the individual chose to resist is not a chilul hashem. We live in a country where people are resisting the government and police on a daily basis.

And the fact is that the police were the aggressors in this case. The correct policy of the NYPD is to look away at these type of incidents. It took one hot headed officer to create this chaos.

In any other community this officer would be reprimanded, and the community would have demanded so. Yet in our community we congratulate the officer and condemn the hachnosos sefer torah. THAT is a chilul hashem.

Excuses, excuses and more excuses. "The correct policy of the NYPD is to look away at these types of incidents". The police as a matter of policy choose to ignore large crowds in other neighborhoods so that they don't rile up the people. Where do you come up with these fabricated statements?

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 Oct 09, 2018 at 08:46 AM Chaim Says:

This wiseguy didn’t listen to the police. Period end of sentence.

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 Oct 09, 2018 at 09:02 AM shimonyehuda Says:

Reply to #33  
Redner Says:

Maybe he should have gone onto the sidewalk. He didn't. Does that give the cop the right to shove him & rough him up like that?

when told THREE times and denying authority YES. by the way asking for a permit is the common courtesy of informing your neighbors that you will be blocking the street and making a lot of noise. aside from the legal ramifications why make a chilul hashem while you are celebrating the Torah?

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