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Published on: November 1, 2018 09:52 AM
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Brooklyn, NY - A Crown Heights yeshiva is headed to court after being sued by a couple whose son was denied admission because he had not met state immunization requirements.
Sholom and Esther Laine filed an emergency injunction in Kings County State Supreme Court on October 17th, saying that while they understood that state law required their four year old son to be immunized in order to attend Yeshiva Oholei Torah, they believed that they were legally entitled to an exemption based on their religious beliefs. 

Section 2164 of the state’s Public Health Law, which spells out state vaccination laws, allows for the immunization requirement to be waived in cases of parents or guardians who “hold genuine and sincere religious beliefs which are contrary” to the mandated immunization regulations.

According to court documents obtained by VIN News, the Laines applied to Oholei Torah last March and were told that proof of immunization was mandatory for all new students as per the school’s written policy. 

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Several attempts by the Laines and their lawyer to get Oholei Torah to reverse its decision before the start of the school year failed, and after meeting with the Oholei Torah’s elementary administrator during the first week of school, Mrs. Laine was again informed that the yeshiva does not accept any vaccination exemption requests.

According to an affidavit signed by Mrs. Laine, the school’s position unfairly infringed on her constitutionally guaranteed religious rights, with Mrs. Laine claiming that she was being forced to “to choose between vaccinating my child, which I won’t do as it is against my religious beliefs, and being able to begin his yeshiva education.” 

In their filing, the Laines asked the court to order Oholei Torah to put an end to its policy of denying religious exemptions from vaccinations and to publicly admit that the rule violated state law. The Laines also requested that their legal fees be reimbursed and that they be compensated for any other costs or forms of relief deemed appropriate by the court.

The emergency injunction, which included only the Laine’s version of events, was denied without any further explanation by Judge Carl J. Landicino one week after it was filed. The parties are due back in court on November 14th at which time A Judge will decide whether or not to grant a preliminary injunction, which would compel the yeshiva to admit the Laine’s son to the school while the case is pending.

Approximately four dozen cases of measles have been confirmed in yeshiva students in Monsey, Brooklyn and Lakewood, all of which have been linked to an ongoing epidemic in Jerusalem. 

As previously reported on VIN News (http://bit.ly/2yLBUBe), Rockland County took the rare step of barring unvaccinated children from any school where a confirmed case of measles had been reported on October 18th in the hopes of curtailing the outbreak which has already sickened 40 individuals, with another 11 suspected cases awaiting confirmation by the Department of Health.

Attorney Joseph Aron, who specializes in discrimination, said that the temporary injunction filed by the Laines was an emergency measure that, had it succeeded, could have gotten their son into Oholei Torah while the overall case was being adjudicated on its merits.  According to Aron, the key factor in this case is whether or not a private school has the right to ban students based on their immunizations.

“I think they can,” said Aron.  “The religious exemption seems to abrogate the general rule on vaccinations but it appears that there is nothing in the law that prevents schools from making their own rules.  The religious exemption in the Public Health Law gives schools the ability to accept unvaccinated kids but it doesn’t appear that it means that they have to accept them.”



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 Nov 01, 2018 at 10:09 AM Reb Yid Says:

Tough to claim religious exemption when the school of one's religion is the entity requiring the vaccination.

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 Nov 01, 2018 at 10:16 AM DavidCohen Says:

This lawsuit will be tossed out, and I hope the school will be able to recoup legal costs from the parents. Parents are allowed to not vaccinate children. And schools are allowed to not accept unvaccinated children.

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 Nov 01, 2018 at 10:18 AM gersh Says:

What religous belief?

Certainly not a Jewish Religous Belief? As there is no religous pasak anywhere allowing for non vaccination according to halachah.

In fact, halacha requires vaccination.

Please stop from using halacha as a way to do or not do whatever you decide you want done.

This was rightfully denied on its merits.

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 Nov 01, 2018 at 10:22 AM grandpajoe Says:

How frum are these people if they want to put their child in a school to infect others.

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 Nov 01, 2018 at 10:22 AM nolonger Says:

The plaintiff (the parents) should be kicked out of the tribe. Jewish beliefs require vaccination

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 Nov 01, 2018 at 10:34 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #2  
gersh Says:

What religous belief?

Certainly not a Jewish Religous Belief? As there is no religous pasak anywhere allowing for non vaccination according to halachah.

In fact, halacha requires vaccination.

Please stop from using halacha as a way to do or not do whatever you decide you want done.

This was rightfully denied on its merits.

I agree with this.

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 Nov 01, 2018 at 11:03 AM hashomer Says:

Hmm, I thought only afikorsim made up their own rules. What did Maimonides say to the Sultan about health care for children?

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 Nov 01, 2018 at 11:04 AM Anonymous Says:

Absolutely ABSURD! These parents are putting their child at risk for serious illness, but more crucial is they are putting other children & teachers at risk, they have no right to do this. Hopefully the yeshiva will prevail and these loony tunes can home school their kid! That way they don't put other children at risk.

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 Nov 01, 2018 at 11:10 AM honestbroker Says:

Based on religious beliefs?!?
Which religion exactly do they adhere to. It sure ain’t Judaism

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 Nov 01, 2018 at 11:13 AM Anonymous Says:

Measles outbreaks are made possible by... The print house

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 Nov 01, 2018 at 11:14 AM Yossi-A Says:

The yeshivahs stand is that the Rebbe has ALWAYS viewed vaccinating your chilren asthevproper thing to do. There are quite a few letters confirming that. As a Chabad school, as one that follows the Rebbe's guidence, thay require ALL childrwn to be unvaccinated BEFORE they can be admitted to Yeshivah.

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 Nov 01, 2018 at 11:18 AM Anonymous Says:

They shld vaccinate their kids or moce to a third wirld country. When my daughter was on chemo her lofe wldve been cut short only with “stupid Measles”. Totally irresponsible. The schools used to not accept unvaccinated kids. What happened now? Let them form a school on their own. Many of paranoid parents now that can fill up schools and not endanger their local ones. Talk to one of them and ul b influenced in a min. Their minda r so shut that id rather talk to the wall. Just coming from one of them. Hefkeirus!

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 Nov 01, 2018 at 11:22 AM aywa613 Says:

Reply to #2  
gersh Says:

What religous belief?

Certainly not a Jewish Religous Belief? As there is no religous pasak anywhere allowing for non vaccination according to halachah.

In fact, halacha requires vaccination.

Please stop from using halacha as a way to do or not do whatever you decide you want done.

This was rightfully denied on its merits.

All you guys are just throwing out things that you have no clue about!
How can you say there is no such psak not to vaccinate?
I personally spoke to Rav Shmuel Kametsky of Philadelphia (the Gadol of America today) he told me it is a Mitsva to spread the word to parents that is Assur to vaccinate...
There is a letter of Rav Chaim Kanievsky (the Gadol of E"Y) saying that is Assur to refuse a child in school for not being vaccinated!!
The list goes on and on
Rav Malkiel Kotler..Rav Matisyahou Solomon...etc..
So please do your research before posting anything that passes through your head.
Even the Big Gedolim of the time like Rav Eliashiv or The Lubavitcher Rebbe said to give that's when their were just couple vaccines the ones that were necessary, there is no question that if they were here today to see the amount of vaccines they add every year to make more millions and to see the rate of autism (couple years ago was 1 in 250 now it's 1 in 60) they all would agree!!
So however wants to continue injecting human cells , animal cells , horse blood, tumoregenic , aluminum, mercury etc..(you could all look it up on the vaccine package insert) good luck with your kids!

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 Nov 01, 2018 at 11:29 AM Anonymous Says:

The New York State and NYC Health department rules are very clear on this issue. A parochial school principal has the total authority to decline any exemption requests except fora true medical exemption. A medical exemption , such as a child who is within two years of having been treated for cancer, must be accompanied by a letter from the child's doctor. There is NO requirement to accept a religious exemption. The parent can ultimately appeal to the NYS Health Department but they will not override a school principal on a religious exemption. The courts have always yielded to the responsible health departments for good reason. Health departments know the risks of allowing these children into our schools. Unfortunately, the anti-vax movement is truly a cult mentality and they have no place in our schools.

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 Nov 01, 2018 at 11:38 AM Shlomo2 Says:

If they succeed in getting their kid in to Oholei Torah, next thing they can do is sue to force the school to follow state mandates on teaching secular studies.

School would claim it's against their religion.

Ironic.

Should be interesting.

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 Nov 01, 2018 at 11:46 AM Haimov Says:

Religious believes their kids can infect other kids and adults with infectious deceases.

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 Nov 01, 2018 at 11:52 AM Aron1 Says:

Reply to #12  
aywa613 Says:

All you guys are just throwing out things that you have no clue about!
How can you say there is no such psak not to vaccinate?
I personally spoke to Rav Shmuel Kametsky of Philadelphia (the Gadol of America today) he told me it is a Mitsva to spread the word to parents that is Assur to vaccinate...
There is a letter of Rav Chaim Kanievsky (the Gadol of E"Y) saying that is Assur to refuse a child in school for not being vaccinated!!
The list goes on and on
Rav Malkiel Kotler..Rav Matisyahou Solomon...etc..
So please do your research before posting anything that passes through your head.
Even the Big Gedolim of the time like Rav Eliashiv or The Lubavitcher Rebbe said to give that's when their were just couple vaccines the ones that were necessary, there is no question that if they were here today to see the amount of vaccines they add every year to make more millions and to see the rate of autism (couple years ago was 1 in 250 now it's 1 in 60) they all would agree!!
So however wants to continue injecting human cells , animal cells , horse blood, tumoregenic , aluminum, mercury etc..(you could all look it up on the vaccine package insert) good luck with your kids!

Are you a Navi? You KNOW that Rav Eliashiv, the Lubavitcher Rebbe, and other deceased Gedolim would have changed their position on vaccination based on the (distorted) evidence linking vaccination and autism?
So, yes, I will continue to vaccinate my children and send them to schools populated by other vaccinated children. You and the other anti-vaxxers can create your own schools.

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 Nov 01, 2018 at 11:52 AM elyeh Says:

H'shem natan reshis l'rofeh l'rapeh.

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 Nov 01, 2018 at 12:04 PM Miriam377 Says:

Come Monday all unvaccinated kids will no longer be able to attend schools in Rickland County for 21 days after the latest case of measles diagnosis. It doesn't matter where your child attends school.

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 Nov 01, 2018 at 12:12 PM DavidCohen Says:

Reply to #12  
aywa613 Says:

All you guys are just throwing out things that you have no clue about!
How can you say there is no such psak not to vaccinate?
I personally spoke to Rav Shmuel Kametsky of Philadelphia (the Gadol of America today) he told me it is a Mitsva to spread the word to parents that is Assur to vaccinate...
There is a letter of Rav Chaim Kanievsky (the Gadol of E"Y) saying that is Assur to refuse a child in school for not being vaccinated!!
The list goes on and on
Rav Malkiel Kotler..Rav Matisyahou Solomon...etc..
So please do your research before posting anything that passes through your head.
Even the Big Gedolim of the time like Rav Eliashiv or The Lubavitcher Rebbe said to give that's when their were just couple vaccines the ones that were necessary, there is no question that if they were here today to see the amount of vaccines they add every year to make more millions and to see the rate of autism (couple years ago was 1 in 250 now it's 1 in 60) they all would agree!!
So however wants to continue injecting human cells , animal cells , horse blood, tumoregenic , aluminum, mercury etc..(you could all look it up on the vaccine package insert) good luck with your kids!

And which Medical School did Rav Shmuel Kamenetsky go to?

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 Nov 01, 2018 at 12:15 PM a-believer Says:

Aywa613: omg do I have a lot to say!! If you choose not to vaccinate your children then keep them home for 3 weeks or longer when there’s an outbreak like NOW! Don’t cause illness for other children who may be at risk because of your stupidity!

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 Nov 01, 2018 at 12:26 PM Anonymous Says:

what a chilul Hashem! mesirah like this is an absolute shanda!

as it is, media is emphasizing that the measles outbreak started by someone traveling from israel. now, a yeshiva is taken to court in an emergency injunction??!

this is a DOA and should never have happened to begin with. the very same sect who cries for moshiach at every gathering is holding him up with this disgraceful and very public lawsuit

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 Nov 01, 2018 at 12:26 PM I know these parents Says:

They should be embarrassed and ashamed to publicly admit they are willing to compromise the health of children with conditions that prevent them from being immunized.

I know these parents.... they are the first ones who would scream blue bloody murder if their kid catches so much as a cold from another child. What a disgraceful couple! Good work, Oholei Torah, and I hope the girls' schools their daughters go to have the same kind of backbone.

And please... don't send your kids to the shul where we both go. Keep them home & daven you don't have to deal with the consequences of your "religious convictions."

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 Nov 01, 2018 at 12:33 PM DavidCohen Says:

Reply to #12  
aywa613 Says:

All you guys are just throwing out things that you have no clue about!
How can you say there is no such psak not to vaccinate?
I personally spoke to Rav Shmuel Kametsky of Philadelphia (the Gadol of America today) he told me it is a Mitsva to spread the word to parents that is Assur to vaccinate...
There is a letter of Rav Chaim Kanievsky (the Gadol of E"Y) saying that is Assur to refuse a child in school for not being vaccinated!!
The list goes on and on
Rav Malkiel Kotler..Rav Matisyahou Solomon...etc..
So please do your research before posting anything that passes through your head.
Even the Big Gedolim of the time like Rav Eliashiv or The Lubavitcher Rebbe said to give that's when their were just couple vaccines the ones that were necessary, there is no question that if they were here today to see the amount of vaccines they add every year to make more millions and to see the rate of autism (couple years ago was 1 in 250 now it's 1 in 60) they all would agree!!
So however wants to continue injecting human cells , animal cells , horse blood, tumoregenic , aluminum, mercury etc..(you could all look it up on the vaccine package insert) good luck with your kids!

Putting the word "vaccine" and "autism" in the same sentence isn't just repeating long disproven lies, it is also dangerous and actively hurting people.

I'll be clearer, repeat the bogus vaccine autism connection and you are effectively a rodef!

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 Nov 01, 2018 at 12:33 PM Dovid Says:

Fascinating to see how people are so clueless. I was also once pro vaccines the funny part is that I never knew the ingredients nor how many injuries & deaths they're are monthly due to vaccinations.
OBVIOUSLY there's a reason why peo don't vax! Don't u think every parent wants the best for their child???
The peo that are ANTI are the ones who did research. And I'm talking science!
Why are u guys scared if u vaccinate you're kids? Lol
What about the fact that there are vaccines including measles that contain live viruse?
That means it sheds. It's called viral shedding and once the vaccine is administered u are contagious up to 28 days!
So who's spreading diseases here??
What about the outbreaks in history in fully vaccinated populations?
Does anyone here know what law was passed in 1986???
Does anyone know how many deaths & injuries VAERS (vaccine adverse events reporting system) receives a month due to vaccines??
Don't be NAIVE ! It's all money!!
No one cares more about you're health that they're pockets !

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 Nov 01, 2018 at 12:47 PM The next question Says:

Would you send your child to a school, 180 days a year, knowing that other children in the school might be carrying measles, or even polio?

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 Nov 01, 2018 at 12:55 PM Margolioth770 Says:

Congrats for starting a process that will end the archaic practice of those Yeshivas who deny education to dozens of families based on the intimidation tactics of a single physician in the community with a Messianic Complex. His indoctrination of the community has created a polarization never previously witnessed in Lubavitch. This mandate is being applied in a ruthless fashion, beyond the parameters of "Best Practice Guidelines", and is forcing young couples to leave the community. The draconian measures are built on half-truths and the use of irrational fear-tactics. Those parents who have researched information
regarding the hazards of all vaccinations being required for all people at all times, or are living the daily nightmare of caring for a vaccination-injured child, live in quiet despair. The reason being the looming threat against those who wish just to hold support-groups or discussion-seminars between experts from both sides of the spectrum. Such actions would result in such retaliatory measures by this physician, the yeshivas, and those members of the community under this demonic spell, that dozens of parents continue to prefer subjecting their children to potential vaccination-injury: A preference to the consequences of identifying their names and addresses as being held to venue even a discussion on the topic.

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 Nov 01, 2018 at 12:57 PM Halachic Says:

So they are claiming a violation of their constitutional rights. What about the constitutional rights of all the other kids to remain safe in school?

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 Nov 01, 2018 at 01:06 PM Margolioth770 Says:

The vast majority of comments being made on this site is indicative of the degree of hatred, division, and ignorance currently driving a handful of informed parents into submission, isolation, and flight. Any discussion on this subject has been forbidden. This lawsuit will bypass the lynch-mob and force both sides to hear experts from both sides expressing what has been deemed forbidden to the surface for public viewing.

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 Nov 01, 2018 at 01:34 PM Anonymous Says:

Hopefully more parents will start fighting for their legal and medical rights! This is a medical freedom matter, and no one should have the right to enforce any medical procedure on anyone! If one kid in the class has strep, should the whole class be forced to take antibiotics? If you're child is vaccinated, then they're protected. If anything, it's the unvaccinated children who should be afraid. Parents should be left to make their own decisions and stop worrying about others. Remember- vaccinated people spread disease just as easily, if not more.
Can we demand our health department test the measles cases to see what strain it is? It would be helpful to know whether or not it is the vaccine strain- and whether this outbreak was caused by a vaccinated person.

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 Nov 01, 2018 at 01:43 PM DavidMoshe Says:

Shouldn’t they have brought this case to a beis din?

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 Nov 01, 2018 at 01:47 PM Bpmaven Says:

If they are so frum and this is a religious issue, why did they go to court and not bais din?

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 Nov 01, 2018 at 01:50 PM Eli Says:

Keep injecting SODIUM BORATE
The same ingredient which is a known toxin that is in rat poison, pesticides, flame retardants, and laundry detergent
FORMALDEHYDE A known toxin and carcinogen. A colorless gas with a pungent inrritating odor. It's vapors are flammable and explosive. Used in making embalming fluid and preserve cadavers.
DO THESE SAME INGREDIENTS BELONG IN OUR BODIES????

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 Nov 01, 2018 at 01:57 PM GoodnessGracious Says:

Obviously all parents want what's best for their children. No one is actively seeking to harm their own child! Clearly, clearly they believe that what they are doing is in their child's best interest, and is not placing anyone in harm's way. It may be difficult to understand how this can be the case with parents who are refusing the mainstream belief that vaccines are safe, effective, and imperative for public health.

But as Jews in a secular world, we know that anyone who maintains a belief in opposition to the majority-held belief is under a lot of pressure from the other side, and can only hold strong if their path is sincere and backed by enormous stores of proof, research, conviction, and courage.

Talk to someone who doesn't vaccinate. Why don't they? What steps did they take before making their decision. You will be blown away by the amount of time, intelligence, and courage it took to make this important decision.

As Jews we should be open to questioning anything established - our religion is based on thirst for knowledge. Instead of shouting down opposing opinions, we should engage in open discussion. Thank you, Vosizneias, for providing an uncensored forum!

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 Nov 01, 2018 at 02:25 PM The_Truth Says:

Reply to #12  
aywa613 Says:

All you guys are just throwing out things that you have no clue about!
How can you say there is no such psak not to vaccinate?
I personally spoke to Rav Shmuel Kametsky of Philadelphia (the Gadol of America today) he told me it is a Mitsva to spread the word to parents that is Assur to vaccinate...
There is a letter of Rav Chaim Kanievsky (the Gadol of E"Y) saying that is Assur to refuse a child in school for not being vaccinated!!
The list goes on and on
Rav Malkiel Kotler..Rav Matisyahou Solomon...etc..
So please do your research before posting anything that passes through your head.
Even the Big Gedolim of the time like Rav Eliashiv or The Lubavitcher Rebbe said to give that's when their were just couple vaccines the ones that were necessary, there is no question that if they were here today to see the amount of vaccines they add every year to make more millions and to see the rate of autism (couple years ago was 1 in 250 now it's 1 in 60) they all would agree!!
So however wants to continue injecting human cells , animal cells , horse blood, tumoregenic , aluminum, mercury etc..(you could all look it up on the vaccine package insert) good luck with your kids!

The "psak" of Rav Shmuel Kamenetsky seems to be the minority / daas yochid opinion. It also seems that the Lubavitcher Rebbe & Rav Elyashuv clearly said otherwise.
Lubavicher Rebbe clearly wrote many times that one should vaccinate. Also Rabbi Akiva Tatz MD (Dangerous Disease and Dangerous Therapy) says "vaccination is an absolute parental obligation" was the psak of Rabbi Elyashiv.

Allowing unvaccinated kids into schools is very different psak than to advocate for not vaccinating.

Please stop quoting Autism, as it has no proven link to vaccines. While the rate of autism has only increase due to widening its definition and better diagnosis.

There are some people who are allergic to certain medicines. Does that mean that no one should take them? Nothing is perfect for everyone. Vaccines are 1000 times safer now than ever before, and for the vast majority of people, there are no side affects. Prevention is always better than treatment, especially for preventable disease.

You eat things everyday that have extracts from all kinds of products and that been treated with all kinds of chemicals - but that doesn't mean its all bad for you. Everything in moderation.

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 Nov 01, 2018 at 02:31 PM aywa613 Says:

Reply to #23  
DavidCohen Says:

Putting the word "vaccine" and "autism" in the same sentence isn't just repeating long disproven lies, it is also dangerous and actively hurting people.

I'll be clearer, repeat the bogus vaccine autism connection and you are effectively a rodef!

Mr Dovid Cohen it's not my fault you obviously didn't do any research about vaccines but just follow the "Oilam" like a sheep.
Yes autism is a proven direct cause from vaccines (like it says it on the package insert , ask the doctor to show it to you next time you go poison your kid)
If you call me a Roydef than I could just call you a Shoyté!
These parents should actually receive a medal !
So many of us would wish to do what they are in the middle of but are just too scared!
Continue and Hatslocho!

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 Nov 01, 2018 at 02:40 PM The_Truth Says:

Reply to #32  
Eli Says:

Keep injecting SODIUM BORATE
The same ingredient which is a known toxin that is in rat poison, pesticides, flame retardants, and laundry detergent
FORMALDEHYDE A known toxin and carcinogen. A colorless gas with a pungent inrritating odor. It's vapors are flammable and explosive. Used in making embalming fluid and preserve cadavers.
DO THESE SAME INGREDIENTS BELONG IN OUR BODIES????

While you are at it, Nothing is as dangerous as Dihydrogen Monoxide.
Dihydrogen Monoxide (DHMO) is perhaps the single most prevalent of all chemicals that can be dangerous to human life. Despite this truth, most people are not unduly concerned about the dangers of Dihydrogen Monoxide. Governments, civic leaders, corporations, military organizations, and citizens in every walk of life seem to either be ignorant of or shrug off the truth about Dihydrogen Monoxide as not being applicable to them.
It is a colorless and odorless chemical compound, also referred to by some as Dihydrogen Oxide, Hydrogen Hydroxide, Hydronium Hydroxide, or simply Hydric acid. Its basis is the highly reactive hydroxyl radical, a species shown to mutate DNA, denature proteins, disrupt cell membranes, and chemically alter critical neurotransmitters. The atomic components of DHMO are found in a number of caustic, explosive and poisonous compounds such as Sulfuric Acid, Nitroglycerine and Ethyl Alcohol.
Each year, Dihydrogen Monoxide is a known causative component in many thousands of deaths and is a major contributor to millions upon millions of dollars in damage to property and the environment.
Look it up.

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 Nov 01, 2018 at 03:06 PM I'm #22 Says:

Reply to #31  
Bpmaven Says:

If they are so frum and this is a religious issue, why did they go to court and not bais din?

Well said

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 Nov 01, 2018 at 03:11 PM BTW Says:

Reply to #31  
Bpmaven Says:

If they are so frum and this is a religious issue, why did they go to court and not bais din?

The controversy re autism is about giving the MMR. IT CAN BE GIVEN SEPARATELY! So if that's the issue, your excuses are a bunch of baloney. As for ingredients... you think the air you breathe is free of pollutants? No, buddy, it has the measles virus! It is an airborne disease.

Lastly, there is a new version of polio that is becoming an epidemic - AMF I think it's called. Polio was wiped out thanks to the vaccine, but since all you wackos won't vaccinate, a germ from some 3rd world hovel is infecting the rest of us. Shame on you selfish people.

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 Nov 01, 2018 at 03:23 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #22  
I know these parents Says:

They should be embarrassed and ashamed to publicly admit they are willing to compromise the health of children with conditions that prevent them from being immunized.

I know these parents.... they are the first ones who would scream blue bloody murder if their kid catches so much as a cold from another child. What a disgraceful couple! Good work, Oholei Torah, and I hope the girls' schools their daughters go to have the same kind of backbone.

And please... don't send your kids to the shul where we both go. Keep them home & daven you don't have to deal with the consequences of your "religious convictions."

To the person who thinks you know the parents; you clearly don’t. They are strong in their belief and this is a matter of personal private beliefs, not about what you think about it. In addition, they’re kids are rarely sick. And when an outbreak occurs they comply with the schools rules and pull the kids out for as long as it takes. Every parent does what they believe is best for their child and you don’t have to support it but that’s why their kids aren’t your kids.

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 Nov 01, 2018 at 03:29 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #22  
I know these parents Says:

They should be embarrassed and ashamed to publicly admit they are willing to compromise the health of children with conditions that prevent them from being immunized.

I know these parents.... they are the first ones who would scream blue bloody murder if their kid catches so much as a cold from another child. What a disgraceful couple! Good work, Oholei Torah, and I hope the girls' schools their daughters go to have the same kind of backbone.

And please... don't send your kids to the shul where we both go. Keep them home & daven you don't have to deal with the consequences of your "religious convictions."

To the person who thinks you know the parents; you clearly don’t. They are strong in their belief and this is a matter of personal private beliefs, not about what you think about it. In addition, they’re kids are rarely sick. And when an outbreak occurs they comply with the schools rules and pull the kids out for as long as it takes. Every parent does what they believe is best for their child and you don’t have to support it but that’s why their kids aren’t your kids.

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 Nov 01, 2018 at 03:30 PM georgeg Says:

Reply to #32  
Eli Says:

Keep injecting SODIUM BORATE
The same ingredient which is a known toxin that is in rat poison, pesticides, flame retardants, and laundry detergent
FORMALDEHYDE A known toxin and carcinogen. A colorless gas with a pungent inrritating odor. It's vapors are flammable and explosive. Used in making embalming fluid and preserve cadavers.
DO THESE SAME INGREDIENTS BELONG IN OUR BODIES????

Start with the fact that not all vaccines contain formaldehyde. But for those that do contain a tiny amount, I quote the following:

> Formaldehyde is essential in human metabolism and is required for the synthesis of DNA and amino acids (the building blocks of protein). Therefore, all humans have detectable quantities of natural formaldehyde in their circulation (about 2.5 ug of formaldehyde per ml of blood). Assuming an average weight of a 2-month-old of 5 kg and an average blood volume of 85 ml per kg, the total quantity of formaldehyde found in an infant's circulation would be about 1.1 mg, a value about 1,500 times more than the amount an infant would be exposed to in any individual vaccine.

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 Nov 01, 2018 at 03:34 PM Debbie101 Says:

all i can say is that i used to vaxx my kids
had a scare
did a TON of research - i am talking hours and hours of research of cold hard facts
i read thru CDC website
i read thru vaccine studies - pub med and many others
i read thru the VAERS website - which used to be very simple to read and get whatever info i needed. now they have made it like fort knox with a whole tutorial on how to access the information
i read books written by MD's
i searched and searched until i was 100% sure that i did not want to continue vaccinating
it took a lot of guts
i had a really hard time getting my unvaxxed child into school but Hashem is in charge and he got into school
Life is not easy when you are different and don't vaccinate and people think you banged your head on a brick wall
but hey - don't think life was meant to be easy
we have to do our Hishtadlus
in my case hishtadlus was to cease vaccinations.
and no we are not selfish people at all
halacha states chayecha kodmim and you are not required or allowed to put your child at risk to save another child
hope you all have the courage to do the research
thanks for reading this.

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 Nov 01, 2018 at 03:48 PM peretz2 Says:

Dihydrogen monoxide -- otherwise known as water.

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 Nov 01, 2018 at 03:48 PM GrandmasTake Says:

Reply to #33  
GoodnessGracious Says:

Obviously all parents want what's best for their children. No one is actively seeking to harm their own child! Clearly, clearly they believe that what they are doing is in their child's best interest, and is not placing anyone in harm's way. It may be difficult to understand how this can be the case with parents who are refusing the mainstream belief that vaccines are safe, effective, and imperative for public health.

But as Jews in a secular world, we know that anyone who maintains a belief in opposition to the majority-held belief is under a lot of pressure from the other side, and can only hold strong if their path is sincere and backed by enormous stores of proof, research, conviction, and courage.

Talk to someone who doesn't vaccinate. Why don't they? What steps did they take before making their decision. You will be blown away by the amount of time, intelligence, and courage it took to make this important decision.

As Jews we should be open to questioning anything established - our religion is based on thirst for knowledge. Instead of shouting down opposing opinions, we should engage in open discussion. Thank you, Vosizneias, for providing an uncensored forum!

Brilliantly said! Kol a Kavod!

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 Nov 01, 2018 at 03:51 PM Aliza Says:

Wow peo are rlly dumb when it comes to vaccines!! I used to be dumb .
Guys go do research the science is out there!
I'm sorry to all the parents who learned the hard way.
No one can understand the pain of taking care of a vaccine injured child or lose their child to vaccines untill it happens to them unfortunately. So many parents who don't vaccinate is bec they learned the hard way Hashem Yishmor
Kol hakavod to this couple I give u all the brachos !!!

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 Nov 01, 2018 at 03:52 PM Peretz Says:

Reply to #16  
Aron1 Says:

Are you a Navi? You KNOW that Rav Eliashiv, the Lubavitcher Rebbe, and other deceased Gedolim would have changed their position on vaccination based on the (distorted) evidence linking vaccination and autism?
So, yes, I will continue to vaccinate my children and send them to schools populated by other vaccinated children. You and the other anti-vaxxers can create your own schools.

The Rebbe would not have changed his psak -- anymore than he would have stopped pushing for Moshiach because a quarter to third of his followers got carried away when they didn't know what to do after Gimmel Tammuz

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 Nov 01, 2018 at 03:54 PM MominMiami Says:

Wow. Parents standing up for what they believe is best for their children! How innovative! Wherever you are on the vaccine page, regardless of whether or not you vaccinate, look how much these parents care for their children! They believe in something strongly enough to take action! We can all learn from that! Big kudos!

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 Nov 01, 2018 at 03:56 PM Nn Says:

Reply to #27  
Halachic Says:

So they are claiming a violation of their constitutional rights. What about the constitutional rights of all the other kids to remain safe in school?

The other kids are vaccinated, so they are immuned. Isn't the idea of a vaccine that you can't catch a sickness from an effected person?

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 Nov 01, 2018 at 03:59 PM GrandmasTake Says:

Reply to #33  
GoodnessGracious Says:

Obviously all parents want what's best for their children. No one is actively seeking to harm their own child! Clearly, clearly they believe that what they are doing is in their child's best interest, and is not placing anyone in harm's way. It may be difficult to understand how this can be the case with parents who are refusing the mainstream belief that vaccines are safe, effective, and imperative for public health.

But as Jews in a secular world, we know that anyone who maintains a belief in opposition to the majority-held belief is under a lot of pressure from the other side, and can only hold strong if their path is sincere and backed by enormous stores of proof, research, conviction, and courage.

Talk to someone who doesn't vaccinate. Why don't they? What steps did they take before making their decision. You will be blown away by the amount of time, intelligence, and courage it took to make this important decision.

As Jews we should be open to questioning anything established - our religion is based on thirst for knowledge. Instead of shouting down opposing opinions, we should engage in open discussion. Thank you, Vosizneias, for providing an uncensored forum!

I admire these exceptional Parents & wish them all the blessings in the world!!
B'H there should be more & more like them - parents who refuse to take the easier road by fully relying on modern medicine.

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 Nov 01, 2018 at 05:08 PM Butterfly Says:

Sorry -- this will be thrown out really fast!! Kids are dying and there is an epidemic!! They MUST imunize their child!!

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 Nov 01, 2018 at 06:02 PM ercsd Says:

Channel 12 Hudson Valley reported that out of the 40 cases 2 are hospitalized and one is in ICU. There are a lot of pregnant women in Ramapo and if they get the measles their child can be born with major problems. My Doctor once said if you read the ingredients on a bottle of aspirin you wouldn't take it. If you want medical advice you should get it from a medical professional-a DOCTOR.

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 Nov 01, 2018 at 06:17 PM RebKlemson Says:

Reply to #13  
Anonymous Says:

The New York State and NYC Health department rules are very clear on this issue. A parochial school principal has the total authority to decline any exemption requests except fora true medical exemption. A medical exemption , such as a child who is within two years of having been treated for cancer, must be accompanied by a letter from the child's doctor. There is NO requirement to accept a religious exemption. The parent can ultimately appeal to the NYS Health Department but they will not override a school principal on a religious exemption. The courts have always yielded to the responsible health departments for good reason. Health departments know the risks of allowing these children into our schools. Unfortunately, the anti-vax movement is truly a cult mentality and they have no place in our schools.

You should seriously be quarantined for the public harm your beliefs are causing. There's no Rabbi given the true facts that would say anything like what you're saying. This is biological terrorism

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 Nov 01, 2018 at 06:22 PM jcsalomon Says:

Reply to #36  
The_Truth Says:

While you are at it, Nothing is as dangerous as Dihydrogen Monoxide.
Dihydrogen Monoxide (DHMO) is perhaps the single most prevalent of all chemicals that can be dangerous to human life. Despite this truth, most people are not unduly concerned about the dangers of Dihydrogen Monoxide. Governments, civic leaders, corporations, military organizations, and citizens in every walk of life seem to either be ignorant of or shrug off the truth about Dihydrogen Monoxide as not being applicable to them.
It is a colorless and odorless chemical compound, also referred to by some as Dihydrogen Oxide, Hydrogen Hydroxide, Hydronium Hydroxide, or simply Hydric acid. Its basis is the highly reactive hydroxyl radical, a species shown to mutate DNA, denature proteins, disrupt cell membranes, and chemically alter critical neurotransmitters. The atomic components of DHMO are found in a number of caustic, explosive and poisonous compounds such as Sulfuric Acid, Nitroglycerine and Ethyl Alcohol.
Each year, Dihydrogen Monoxide is a known causative component in many thousands of deaths and is a major contributor to millions upon millions of dollars in damage to property and the environment.
Look it up.

You left out some of the scarier aspects of DHMO: It is found in biopsies of every tumor, and every single person who develops cancer can be shown to have ingested DHMO—often, right before the first symptoms appear.

Also, more than 3,500 people in the US die each year because of DHMO inhalation.

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 Nov 01, 2018 at 06:23 PM charliehall Says:

Reply to #31  
Bpmaven Says:

If they are so frum and this is a religious issue, why did they go to court and not bais din?

Because they know that any beit din would laugh at them and might even put them in cherem.

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 Nov 01, 2018 at 06:25 PM charliehall Says:

Reply to #33  
GoodnessGracious Says:

Obviously all parents want what's best for their children. No one is actively seeking to harm their own child! Clearly, clearly they believe that what they are doing is in their child's best interest, and is not placing anyone in harm's way. It may be difficult to understand how this can be the case with parents who are refusing the mainstream belief that vaccines are safe, effective, and imperative for public health.

But as Jews in a secular world, we know that anyone who maintains a belief in opposition to the majority-held belief is under a lot of pressure from the other side, and can only hold strong if their path is sincere and backed by enormous stores of proof, research, conviction, and courage.

Talk to someone who doesn't vaccinate. Why don't they? What steps did they take before making their decision. You will be blown away by the amount of time, intelligence, and courage it took to make this important decision.

As Jews we should be open to questioning anything established - our religion is based on thirst for knowledge. Instead of shouting down opposing opinions, we should engage in open discussion. Thank you, Vosizneias, for providing an uncensored forum!

Our religion is based on reality. And reality is that not vaccinating is dangerous for the community. An unvaccinated child in Jerusalem just died from measles!

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 Nov 01, 2018 at 06:32 PM Shana Says:

Butterfly !! Kids are dying every day BECAUSE of vaccines!! Go educate yourself! Love these parents! How awesome can someone be! Wow! Hatzlacha whoever u are!
Measles is NOT a serious disease!
The mortality rate declined by 99% BEFORE the vaccine was introduced! U can check it out on the CDC website yourself.
Perhaps we're having outbreaks bec of the vaccine????? Did u know the measles vaccine contains a live virus?? That means it sheds and the person is contagious up to 28 days!!! Why is the media not telling us if this "measles epidemic" is a vaccine or wild strain??? Lol!!
Look online what measles was bef the vaccine was introduced ! It was a blessing to get it!!
Can't get over these parents totally rock

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 Nov 01, 2018 at 07:24 PM The_Truth Says:

Reply to #50  
jcsalomon Says:

You left out some of the scarier aspects of DHMO: It is found in biopsies of every tumor, and every single person who develops cancer can be shown to have ingested DHMO—often, right before the first symptoms appear.

Also, more than 3,500 people in the US die each year because of DHMO inhalation.

I would have carried on with the direct causes and problems all over the world as direct result of DHMO, but ran out of space!

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 Nov 01, 2018 at 07:27 PM The_Truth Says:

Reply to #44  
Aliza Says:

Wow peo are rlly dumb when it comes to vaccines!! I used to be dumb .
Guys go do research the science is out there!
I'm sorry to all the parents who learned the hard way.
No one can understand the pain of taking care of a vaccine injured child or lose their child to vaccines untill it happens to them unfortunately. So many parents who don't vaccinate is bec they learned the hard way Hashem Yishmor
Kol hakavod to this couple I give u all the brachos !!!

I have read up on it too and learnt the facts and follow the Torah.
There is tonnes of scientific research and information out there, but it all leads to vaccines are safe and that it is something that all countries subscribe to.
All doctors and medical professionals agree that you should take vaccines.
Roiv poskim say that you should take vaccines.
These diseases are preventable.
The side effects and/or complications are extremely rare.
If you read the small print of any medication you would not take anything.
I have read up on it too and learnt the facts and follow the Torah.
I vaccinate.
I hope you do too.

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 Nov 01, 2018 at 08:14 PM Dayainu Says:

First of all, this family does not walk alone. It's important for them to know that. As someone who has traveled the arduous path to 'anti-vax-dom', I wish our fellow Jews, at least, would understand that none of us know everything. Telling someone what to inject in their children's bodies is breathtakingly inappropriate. I wouldnt presume to bully you into doing what i do. If you choose to take your doctor's word for vaccine safety- fine. Taking the CDC's word for it is fine. Whatever you've thoughtfully chosen is fine because we all require siyata dishmaya every time we make Any choice at all.
The choice to cease vaccination is not an easy one. You do it when you simply can't unlearn what you've learned. Being a parent and being a Jew means being a pursuer of truth. That this is an unpopular truth makes no difference if it means doing what you have found is right. People don't do this out of laziness or ignorance- though many like to think so. We walk this uphill battle (mostly silently) hoping the political climate will change for our children. (Sorry to say, media IS political)
Just like we don't believe the media's slander of Israel, none of us can afford to believe the slander of the non-vax choice many of our people have made.
No. We didn't do it because it's the cool thing to do. We do it because we have done our research and fiercely care for the health of our children.
There are plenty of doctors and immunologists and rabbis who stand strongly on this side. You don't know them because their voices aren't welcome in this present climate. But they are there and baruch Hashem for them.
One last thing...we are all enlightened enough to know that publicly ripping someone apart is not acceptable. Nowadays, sneering at people who are too frum, or not frum, or anything in between, is a show of bad middos. So where does closemindedness go in such times? It goes here! No need to be curious or open-minded or dan lkaf zchus! Not when it's a 'mitzvah' to shame antivaxxers into submission... this should make Any torah- true Jew take a step back and do some individual research.
A great quote to finish with: speak softly and sweetly for tomorrow you may have to eat your words...

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 Nov 01, 2018 at 08:57 PM Esther Says:

Reply to #24  
Dovid Says:

Fascinating to see how people are so clueless. I was also once pro vaccines the funny part is that I never knew the ingredients nor how many injuries & deaths they're are monthly due to vaccinations.
OBVIOUSLY there's a reason why peo don't vax! Don't u think every parent wants the best for their child???
The peo that are ANTI are the ones who did research. And I'm talking science!
Why are u guys scared if u vaccinate you're kids? Lol
What about the fact that there are vaccines including measles that contain live viruse?
That means it sheds. It's called viral shedding and once the vaccine is administered u are contagious up to 28 days!
So who's spreading diseases here??
What about the outbreaks in history in fully vaccinated populations?
Does anyone here know what law was passed in 1986???
Does anyone know how many deaths & injuries VAERS (vaccine adverse events reporting system) receives a month due to vaccines??
Don't be NAIVE ! It's all money!!
No one cares more about you're health that they're pockets !

Do there research how? Spending years in medical school or in research laboratories?No, by surfing the web where any quack can post whatever he wants.

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 Nov 01, 2018 at 08:59 PM Esther Says:

Reply to #26  
Margolioth770 Says:

Congrats for starting a process that will end the archaic practice of those Yeshivas who deny education to dozens of families based on the intimidation tactics of a single physician in the community with a Messianic Complex. His indoctrination of the community has created a polarization never previously witnessed in Lubavitch. This mandate is being applied in a ruthless fashion, beyond the parameters of "Best Practice Guidelines", and is forcing young couples to leave the community. The draconian measures are built on half-truths and the use of irrational fear-tactics. Those parents who have researched information
regarding the hazards of all vaccinations being required for all people at all times, or are living the daily nightmare of caring for a vaccination-injured child, live in quiet despair. The reason being the looming threat against those who wish just to hold support-groups or discussion-seminars between experts from both sides of the spectrum. Such actions would result in such retaliatory measures by this physician, the yeshivas, and those members of the community under this demonic spell, that dozens of parents continue to prefer subjecting their children to potential vaccination-injury: A preference to the consequences of identifying their names and addresses as being held to venue even a discussion on the topic.

Demonic spell? Whoa! You anti vaxxers really are nutty.

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 Nov 01, 2018 at 09:00 PM Esther Says:

Reply to #28  
Margolioth770 Says:

The vast majority of comments being made on this site is indicative of the degree of hatred, division, and ignorance currently driving a handful of informed parents into submission, isolation, and flight. Any discussion on this subject has been forbidden. This lawsuit will bypass the lynch-mob and force both sides to hear experts from both sides expressing what has been deemed forbidden to the surface for public viewing.

As I just said.

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 Nov 01, 2018 at 09:10 PM Esther Says:

Reply to #35  
aywa613 Says:

Mr Dovid Cohen it's not my fault you obviously didn't do any research about vaccines but just follow the "Oilam" like a sheep.
Yes autism is a proven direct cause from vaccines (like it says it on the package insert , ask the doctor to show it to you next time you go poison your kid)
If you call me a Roydef than I could just call you a Shoyté!
These parents should actually receive a medal !
So many of us would wish to do what they are in the middle of but are just too scared!
Continue and Hatslocho!

yes,hopefully you're scared of Polio,Rubella...Thank G-d we don't have to fear Smallpox anymore,THANKS TO VACCINE!!!

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 Nov 01, 2018 at 09:11 PM Normal Says:

https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/2870103/jewish/What-Does-Jewish-Law-Say-About-Vaccination.htm

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 Nov 01, 2018 at 09:15 PM Esther Says:

Reply to #46  
GrandmasTake Says:

I admire these exceptional Parents & wish them all the blessings in the world!!
B'H there should be more & more like them - parents who refuse to take the easier road by fully relying on modern medicine.

Grandma,you should know better.

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 Nov 01, 2018 at 09:17 PM Esther Says:

Reply to #51  
Shana Says:

Butterfly !! Kids are dying every day BECAUSE of vaccines!! Go educate yourself! Love these parents! How awesome can someone be! Wow! Hatzlacha whoever u are!
Measles is NOT a serious disease!
The mortality rate declined by 99% BEFORE the vaccine was introduced! U can check it out on the CDC website yourself.
Perhaps we're having outbreaks bec of the vaccine????? Did u know the measles vaccine contains a live virus?? That means it sheds and the person is contagious up to 28 days!!! Why is the media not telling us if this "measles epidemic" is a vaccine or wild strain??? Lol!!
Look online what measles was bef the vaccine was introduced ! It was a blessing to get it!!
Can't get over these parents totally rock

Shana,your ignorance is deadly.

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 Nov 01, 2018 at 10:00 PM Happyandfree Says:

Does anyone notice the juxtaposition of the headlines on this site? It says "Just days after massacre.....online hate is thriving".
We ask Hashem to grant us shmira to protect us from our enemies. How can we expect protection from this vitriol and violence from outside while hosting so much hatred within our own community?
It is nice to "stand together against antisemitism", but it's not enough.
I think Intolerance and hatred needs to be uprooted from within our own circles.
Do you really believe only what the media tells you about your fellow Jews? That they would put so much at stake for no reason?
As Jews, we know that we usually need to look deeper for the full story. Half a story is paramount to a lie.
It seems ok to simply blame/shame anti-vaxxerss and never bother to mention the other side of the debate. Are you ok with this one sided conversation?
If people would put all this energy into advocating for an open dialogue, they would discover that there is more to this side of the debate than a paper from 1998. This is a conversation that has been avoided for too long.

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 Nov 01, 2018 at 10:04 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #54  
Dayainu Says:

First of all, this family does not walk alone. It's important for them to know that. As someone who has traveled the arduous path to 'anti-vax-dom', I wish our fellow Jews, at least, would understand that none of us know everything. Telling someone what to inject in their children's bodies is breathtakingly inappropriate. I wouldnt presume to bully you into doing what i do. If you choose to take your doctor's word for vaccine safety- fine. Taking the CDC's word for it is fine. Whatever you've thoughtfully chosen is fine because we all require siyata dishmaya every time we make Any choice at all.
The choice to cease vaccination is not an easy one. You do it when you simply can't unlearn what you've learned. Being a parent and being a Jew means being a pursuer of truth. That this is an unpopular truth makes no difference if it means doing what you have found is right. People don't do this out of laziness or ignorance- though many like to think so. We walk this uphill battle (mostly silently) hoping the political climate will change for our children. (Sorry to say, media IS political)
Just like we don't believe the media's slander of Israel, none of us can afford to believe the slander of the non-vax choice many of our people have made.
No. We didn't do it because it's the cool thing to do. We do it because we have done our research and fiercely care for the health of our children.
There are plenty of doctors and immunologists and rabbis who stand strongly on this side. You don't know them because their voices aren't welcome in this present climate. But they are there and baruch Hashem for them.
One last thing...we are all enlightened enough to know that publicly ripping someone apart is not acceptable. Nowadays, sneering at people who are too frum, or not frum, or anything in between, is a show of bad middos. So where does closemindedness go in such times? It goes here! No need to be curious or open-minded or dan lkaf zchus! Not when it's a 'mitzvah' to shame antivaxxers into submission... this should make Any torah- true Jew take a step back and do some individual research.
A great quote to finish with: speak softly and sweetly for tomorrow you may have to eat your words...

You don't know Torah & you certainly don't know medicine.

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 Nov 01, 2018 at 10:58 PM horrified neighbor Says:

A strong personal belief does not qualify as a "genuine and sincere religious belief". You would actually need the psak of a proper rav in consultation with an experienced medical doctor to render a medical "belief" as religious.
Nor does suing a yeshiva in public court qualify as a halachically acceptable or peaceful way of resolving a disagreement.
Anti vaxxers have chosen not to vaccinate their children based on their limited understanding of an issue. And that would be ok, if it didn't impose risk on other people their children come in contact with.
So no, it's not even a personal decision. It's a decision, that according to majority of mainstream doctors and Rabbanim, compromises the safety of small babies, pregnant women, their unborn babies and all immuno-compromised people.
That is what raises the ire of so many people. You can choose to do as you please with your child..but don't do so at the expense of the weakest in our community. And definitely don't sue a yeshiva for the right to do so.
If you choose not to vaccinate your child then take responsibility for your actions and keep your children isolated from the community at large. That way you minimize the risk your decision imposes on others.
So to whoever it was that said Jews are all about discovering and identifying the truth, that's not what Hillel said. He said the basis of the Torah is loving your fellow as much as yourself. Caring for others, not only yourself. So if your personal truth goes against that precept, then it's possible you havent actually discovered the truth yet.
Thank you Oholei Torah for standing strong and protecting your staff and our children!!

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 Nov 01, 2018 at 11:22 PM Menachem Mendel 770 Says:

BH Shehechiyanu that these parents are doing this for our community!!
The Emes is always the hard way to break in.
I admire these parents for so strongly believing in what they do.
DO NOT inject Carcinogenic neurotoxic ingredients into your children because of schools!!
Wake up everyone go look online about tens of Doctors that were very highly placed in the CDC itself saying how they left the place bec it was one big lie to the world , how they only look how to make the world more and more sick (making them more money for every medicine they are prescribed)
Wtv it just feels like a endless battle when Moshiah comes will know the real Emes
For now these parents should continue their goal till the end Amen!!
I wish you my best!

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 Nov 01, 2018 at 11:35 PM Shana Says:

Reply to #58  
Esther Says:

Shana,your ignorance is deadly.

Esther I'll debate u any day any time!!!
No I dont search the web, in fact I ONLY look at creditable sites including the CDC themselves. VAERS collects all injuries & deaths a month. The number is in the thousands. Srry honey these are facts u cannot argue on facts . I know the truth hurts! Thousands on a monthly basis learned the hard way unfortunately. Check out on YouTube DOCTORS speaking how they DO NOT learn anything regarding vaccines in medical school. Including vaccine ingredients, vaccine court, VAERS, 1986 act, dangers & risks involved etc etc . Keep trusting you're doctor lots of hatzlacha

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 Nov 02, 2018 at 12:04 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #26  
Margolioth770 Says:

Congrats for starting a process that will end the archaic practice of those Yeshivas who deny education to dozens of families based on the intimidation tactics of a single physician in the community with a Messianic Complex. His indoctrination of the community has created a polarization never previously witnessed in Lubavitch. This mandate is being applied in a ruthless fashion, beyond the parameters of "Best Practice Guidelines", and is forcing young couples to leave the community. The draconian measures are built on half-truths and the use of irrational fear-tactics. Those parents who have researched information
regarding the hazards of all vaccinations being required for all people at all times, or are living the daily nightmare of caring for a vaccination-injured child, live in quiet despair. The reason being the looming threat against those who wish just to hold support-groups or discussion-seminars between experts from both sides of the spectrum. Such actions would result in such retaliatory measures by this physician, the yeshivas, and those members of the community under this demonic spell, that dozens of parents continue to prefer subjecting their children to potential vaccination-injury: A preference to the consequences of identifying their names and addresses as being held to venue even a discussion on the topic.

R u off your meds again?

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 Nov 02, 2018 at 12:53 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #40  
Anonymous Says:

To the person who thinks you know the parents; you clearly don’t. They are strong in their belief and this is a matter of personal private beliefs, not about what you think about it. In addition, they’re kids are rarely sick. And when an outbreak occurs they comply with the schools rules and pull the kids out for as long as it takes. Every parent does what they believe is best for their child and you don’t have to support it but that’s why their kids aren’t your kids.

You say they are strong in their beliefs. You are 1000% right. I know them. Does that make them right?

And I would change the wording to say they are stubborn, pig-headed and selfish. I have seen one parent in particular in action, and it wasn't pleasant.

Lastly... they can refuse to vax if they so choose. But in this, like in everything, there are consequences for their decision. They shouldn't be allowed to have their kids in school - for the sake of others.

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 Nov 02, 2018 at 01:33 AM ah yid Says:

To # 54 Dayanu You speak about bad midos. You and your ilk spread diseases that kill other people and we have bad midos. Absurd.
you remind me of the story of the guy who as on a sinking ship. He calls out "Hashem please save me". A few minutes later a ship pulls up and throws him a life jacket. He declines and says, "Hashem will save me" A few minutes later a helicopter flies over and throws him a ladder He declines and says, "Hashem will save me". A few minutes later he drowns and comes before the heavenly court. He cries "Hashem I trusted that you will save me." Hashem replies I tried saving you twice. I"m sorry to say Dayanu ENOUGH of this idiocy and get vaccinated. Hashem put it here to save people. USE IT.

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 Nov 02, 2018 at 02:32 AM Greener Says:

Reply to #51  
Shana Says:

Butterfly !! Kids are dying every day BECAUSE of vaccines!! Go educate yourself! Love these parents! How awesome can someone be! Wow! Hatzlacha whoever u are!
Measles is NOT a serious disease!
The mortality rate declined by 99% BEFORE the vaccine was introduced! U can check it out on the CDC website yourself.
Perhaps we're having outbreaks bec of the vaccine????? Did u know the measles vaccine contains a live virus?? That means it sheds and the person is contagious up to 28 days!!! Why is the media not telling us if this "measles epidemic" is a vaccine or wild strain??? Lol!!
Look online what measles was bef the vaccine was introduced ! It was a blessing to get it!!
Can't get over these parents totally rock

"Measles is NOT a serious disease!" So says Dr. Shana.
Yesterday an infant aged one and a half years old died of measles in Shaarie Tzedek hospital in Yerushalayim. Not vaccinated, of course.
But Dr. Shana knows better.

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 Nov 02, 2018 at 04:39 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #35  
aywa613 Says:

Mr Dovid Cohen it's not my fault you obviously didn't do any research about vaccines but just follow the "Oilam" like a sheep.
Yes autism is a proven direct cause from vaccines (like it says it on the package insert , ask the doctor to show it to you next time you go poison your kid)
If you call me a Roydef than I could just call you a Shoyté!
These parents should actually receive a medal !
So many of us would wish to do what they are in the middle of but are just too scared!
Continue and Hatslocho!

If the packet warns about autism it is because of mindless fools who will sue rather than based on evidence. Many companies include all sorts of warnings that make no sense due to this issue.

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 Nov 02, 2018 at 05:12 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #45  
Nn Says:

The other kids are vaccinated, so they are immuned. Isn't the idea of a vaccine that you can't catch a sickness from an effected person?

Incorrect. Vaccine helps prevent but it is not fully effective. Vaccines serve primarily to prevent epidemic where a disease will live on in a population a long time. In a highly vaccinated population you may get occasional outbreaks, but it should stop pretty quickly. Once vaccination levels of the population fall off you risk epidemic.

Regarding the measles vaccine the facts are like this. If you don't vaccinate and we get an epidemic then we should eventually assume that everyone unvaccinated (and with those the vaccine does not work for) will get the disease. As a result, 1 out of every 2,000 will live with life-long impact from encephalopathy, versus with the vaccine the risk is 1,000 less (1 in a million). There is some other nasty disease that affects the brain that affects 1 in 10,000 who get measles, but none that get the vaccine. The only risk with the vaccine that has more than a transient impact, is the risk of allergic reaction, which might be as much as 1 out of 100,000... So yes, there is a risk and some people will die from the vaccine, but without it many, many more will die and/or suffer serious health consequences.

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 Nov 02, 2018 at 05:22 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #54  
Dayainu Says:

First of all, this family does not walk alone. It's important for them to know that. As someone who has traveled the arduous path to 'anti-vax-dom', I wish our fellow Jews, at least, would understand that none of us know everything. Telling someone what to inject in their children's bodies is breathtakingly inappropriate. I wouldnt presume to bully you into doing what i do. If you choose to take your doctor's word for vaccine safety- fine. Taking the CDC's word for it is fine. Whatever you've thoughtfully chosen is fine because we all require siyata dishmaya every time we make Any choice at all.
The choice to cease vaccination is not an easy one. You do it when you simply can't unlearn what you've learned. Being a parent and being a Jew means being a pursuer of truth. That this is an unpopular truth makes no difference if it means doing what you have found is right. People don't do this out of laziness or ignorance- though many like to think so. We walk this uphill battle (mostly silently) hoping the political climate will change for our children. (Sorry to say, media IS political)
Just like we don't believe the media's slander of Israel, none of us can afford to believe the slander of the non-vax choice many of our people have made.
No. We didn't do it because it's the cool thing to do. We do it because we have done our research and fiercely care for the health of our children.
There are plenty of doctors and immunologists and rabbis who stand strongly on this side. You don't know them because their voices aren't welcome in this present climate. But they are there and baruch Hashem for them.
One last thing...we are all enlightened enough to know that publicly ripping someone apart is not acceptable. Nowadays, sneering at people who are too frum, or not frum, or anything in between, is a show of bad middos. So where does closemindedness go in such times? It goes here! No need to be curious or open-minded or dan lkaf zchus! Not when it's a 'mitzvah' to shame antivaxxers into submission... this should make Any torah- true Jew take a step back and do some individual research.
A great quote to finish with: speak softly and sweetly for tomorrow you may have to eat your words...

Plenty of doctors and immunologists, but we don't know them... Of course. But you do. How convenient. What I do know, is that in a highly vaccinated society the risk of epidemic is next to nothing, whereas when vaccination levels fall off the risk of epidemic goes up. This means that something like the measles which should not be an epidemic will result in adults getting it (e.g. maybe they were vaccinated but it was not effective or it is not effective anymore) and dying or pregnant women having trouble with fetuses. So as far as I am concerned your selfish choice, along with all your cohorts, puts me, my family and everyone I know at a heightened risk of getting a disease that should not be a concern.

If my life comes before your life, then as much as you think you can avoid vaccinating because of your ignorance, I fully support excluding you from any community where people have some sense. This is actually a very Jewish concept. An example we see this is that people with tzaraas had to leave the camp. Now while that may be spiritual the idea is the same. You are a danger to the rest of society and we should have the right to exclude you from it.

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 Nov 02, 2018 at 05:51 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #51  
Shana Says:

Butterfly !! Kids are dying every day BECAUSE of vaccines!! Go educate yourself! Love these parents! How awesome can someone be! Wow! Hatzlacha whoever u are!
Measles is NOT a serious disease!
The mortality rate declined by 99% BEFORE the vaccine was introduced! U can check it out on the CDC website yourself.
Perhaps we're having outbreaks bec of the vaccine????? Did u know the measles vaccine contains a live virus?? That means it sheds and the person is contagious up to 28 days!!! Why is the media not telling us if this "measles epidemic" is a vaccine or wild strain??? Lol!!
Look online what measles was bef the vaccine was introduced ! It was a blessing to get it!!
Can't get over these parents totally rock

Without the vaccine in the US we would expect to have about 1,000 deaths (children) per year. For adults in the short-term (until the non-immune population is all affected) it would be much worse, as the disease is much more dangerous to adults. For kids it would also be worse as about 1 out of 2,000 would suffer lifetime impacts form encephalitis. With the vaccine the only lifelong impact is that less than 1 out of a 100,000 children will have an allergic reaction. To put that in perspective with the vaccine maybe 1 out of 200,000 children die from it. Without vaccinating for every child dying due to an allergic reaction we would have about 25 dying due to the disease. I should mention there is a risk of encephalitis with kids who take the vaccine, but for each child with the vaccine that this would happen to there would be 1,000 more children who it happens to if they get the disease instead.

Sad fact of life... Kids have died all the time from a myriad of things. Vaccines reduce significantly the amount of kids that die or suffer from avoidable chronic conditions.

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 Nov 02, 2018 at 10:41 AM Debbie101 Says:

Reply to #54  
Dayainu Says:

First of all, this family does not walk alone. It's important for them to know that. As someone who has traveled the arduous path to 'anti-vax-dom', I wish our fellow Jews, at least, would understand that none of us know everything. Telling someone what to inject in their children's bodies is breathtakingly inappropriate. I wouldnt presume to bully you into doing what i do. If you choose to take your doctor's word for vaccine safety- fine. Taking the CDC's word for it is fine. Whatever you've thoughtfully chosen is fine because we all require siyata dishmaya every time we make Any choice at all.
The choice to cease vaccination is not an easy one. You do it when you simply can't unlearn what you've learned. Being a parent and being a Jew means being a pursuer of truth. That this is an unpopular truth makes no difference if it means doing what you have found is right. People don't do this out of laziness or ignorance- though many like to think so. We walk this uphill battle (mostly silently) hoping the political climate will change for our children. (Sorry to say, media IS political)
Just like we don't believe the media's slander of Israel, none of us can afford to believe the slander of the non-vax choice many of our people have made.
No. We didn't do it because it's the cool thing to do. We do it because we have done our research and fiercely care for the health of our children.
There are plenty of doctors and immunologists and rabbis who stand strongly on this side. You don't know them because their voices aren't welcome in this present climate. But they are there and baruch Hashem for them.
One last thing...we are all enlightened enough to know that publicly ripping someone apart is not acceptable. Nowadays, sneering at people who are too frum, or not frum, or anything in between, is a show of bad middos. So where does closemindedness go in such times? It goes here! No need to be curious or open-minded or dan lkaf zchus! Not when it's a 'mitzvah' to shame antivaxxers into submission... this should make Any torah- true Jew take a step back and do some individual research.
A great quote to finish with: speak softly and sweetly for tomorrow you may have to eat your words...

wow!!! you write so beautifully! i couldn't have said it better myself.
so true!!!!

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 Nov 02, 2018 at 11:19 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #71  
Anonymous Says:

Without the vaccine in the US we would expect to have about 1,000 deaths (children) per year. For adults in the short-term (until the non-immune population is all affected) it would be much worse, as the disease is much more dangerous to adults. For kids it would also be worse as about 1 out of 2,000 would suffer lifetime impacts form encephalitis. With the vaccine the only lifelong impact is that less than 1 out of a 100,000 children will have an allergic reaction. To put that in perspective with the vaccine maybe 1 out of 200,000 children die from it. Without vaccinating for every child dying due to an allergic reaction we would have about 25 dying due to the disease. I should mention there is a risk of encephalitis with kids who take the vaccine, but for each child with the vaccine that this would happen to there would be 1,000 more children who it happens to if they get the disease instead.

Sad fact of life... Kids have died all the time from a myriad of things. Vaccines reduce significantly the amount of kids that die or suffer from avoidable chronic conditions.

sorry but you are wrong. there are many more chronic conditions today that children are living with that they did not live with when measles was around.
those chronic conditions are caused by vaccinations
side effects are not just allergic reactions of 1 in 100,000
side effects listed on the insert are alot more than just allergic reactions!!!
gonna put a few directly from the insert right here:
Adverse reaction are listed in decreasing order of severity . . . .and have been reported during clinical trials.
Panniculitis (atypical measles)
vasculitis
pancreatitis
diabetes
thrombocytopenia
anayphylaxis
arthritis
encephalitis
guillain Barre Syndroms
encephalomyelitis
transverse myelitis
febrile convulsions
afebrile convulsions or seizures
ataxia
polyneuritis . . .
subacute sclerosing panencephalitis SSPE
Steven Johnson syndrome
nerve deafness
otitis media
retinitis
death from various and unknown causes
this is a very abbreviated version of the adverse reactions that were recorded in the clinical trials. if you just google mmr vaccine insert you can read the rest yourself.

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 Nov 02, 2018 at 12:49 PM LovingBubby Says:

Reply to #59  
Happyandfree Says:

Does anyone notice the juxtaposition of the headlines on this site? It says "Just days after massacre.....online hate is thriving".
We ask Hashem to grant us shmira to protect us from our enemies. How can we expect protection from this vitriol and violence from outside while hosting so much hatred within our own community?
It is nice to "stand together against antisemitism", but it's not enough.
I think Intolerance and hatred needs to be uprooted from within our own circles.
Do you really believe only what the media tells you about your fellow Jews? That they would put so much at stake for no reason?
As Jews, we know that we usually need to look deeper for the full story. Half a story is paramount to a lie.
It seems ok to simply blame/shame anti-vaxxerss and never bother to mention the other side of the debate. Are you ok with this one sided conversation?
If people would put all this energy into advocating for an open dialogue, they would discover that there is more to this side of the debate than a paper from 1998. This is a conversation that has been avoided for too long.

Thank you, #59, for saying it like it is. Hyperbole, black and white thinking, and lynch mob mentality are NOT the Torah way.

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 Nov 02, 2018 at 12:59 PM LovingBubby Says:

Reply to #38  
BTW Says:

The controversy re autism is about giving the MMR. IT CAN BE GIVEN SEPARATELY! So if that's the issue, your excuses are a bunch of baloney. As for ingredients... you think the air you breathe is free of pollutants? No, buddy, it has the measles virus! It is an airborne disease.

Lastly, there is a new version of polio that is becoming an epidemic - AMF I think it's called. Polio was wiped out thanks to the vaccine, but since all you wackos won't vaccinate, a germ from some 3rd world hovel is infecting the rest of us. Shame on you selfish people.

Sorry, #38, but you don't know what you don't know. Autism is NOT just about the MMR. All shots have adjuvants in order to create an inflammatory/immune response. Adjuvants like aluminum, mercury and other heavy metals. Then there is the polysorbate 80, which crosses the blood brain barrier, creating encephalopathy, aka brain inflammation. This is listed as a side effect on the vaccine inserts, readily available to read on the CDC website. Secondly, the MMR shot is NOT available separately. A relative who works in a health care setting needed to get an MMR because titers showed they were not immune to mumps. They are NOT able to get a mumps booster alone, but had to take the whole MMR. And yes, they had a vaccine injury after that. Imagine, fever and a full body rash. Because the shots contain live virus. Third, there is speculation that the AMF cases that are being seen is a reaction to the flu shot. Again, vaccine inserts list Guillian Barre as a possible consequence of receiving a flu shot. Please, your comments about 3rd world countries, hovels and calling people selfish does nothing to further the dialogue and shows you in a poor light.

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 Nov 02, 2018 at 02:16 PM My Tzedaka Money Wasted to Defend This Lawsuit! ! Says:

These selfish parents are forcing the Yeshiva to spend MY tzedaka money on lawyers to defend the lawsuit. That is like stealing money from a tzedaka pushka. It doesn't get lower than that! I am sure this action against the Yeshiva will help them get brocha v'hatzlocha in their children's chinuch, not! How foolish can the fools be!

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 Nov 02, 2018 at 02:46 PM Sholom and Esther Laine Says:

We know what is good for our children. You think keeping our kids out of school will protect your kids?! What protection will your precious children have in shul, in the pizza shop, in the clothes store?!

We will bring our children to shul.
We will bring them into eateries.
We will keep them in schools.
We will bring them to the clothing stores and food stores!

If YOU don't like it - then YOU keep your kids out of school, shul, pizza shops, shoe stores..

Why don't all vaccinated people you keep YOUR children locked up to "protect" them. Because our children will be running around and doing what children do and there is NOTHING you can do to stop us!!

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 Nov 04, 2018 at 01:10 AM HeshyEmes Says:

Seems to me that the anti-vexers have the same mentality as the conspiracy believers. People with low self esteem need to feel special and "in the know"; hence a belief (usually accompanied by smugness) that they don't "fall" for the propaganda that the Government is selling that 9/11 was caused by Osama Bin Laden, that vaccinations are safe; etc. Ha'tzad Ha'shuveh? Big ego, need to feel important, limited intelligence, and the requisite amount of krumkeit. Just my opinion.

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 Nov 04, 2018 at 11:53 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #73  
Anonymous Says:

sorry but you are wrong. there are many more chronic conditions today that children are living with that they did not live with when measles was around.
those chronic conditions are caused by vaccinations
side effects are not just allergic reactions of 1 in 100,000
side effects listed on the insert are alot more than just allergic reactions!!!
gonna put a few directly from the insert right here:
Adverse reaction are listed in decreasing order of severity . . . .and have been reported during clinical trials.
Panniculitis (atypical measles)
vasculitis
pancreatitis
diabetes
thrombocytopenia
anayphylaxis
arthritis
encephalitis
guillain Barre Syndroms
encephalomyelitis
transverse myelitis
febrile convulsions
afebrile convulsions or seizures
ataxia
polyneuritis . . .
subacute sclerosing panencephalitis SSPE
Steven Johnson syndrome
nerve deafness
otitis media
retinitis
death from various and unknown causes
this is a very abbreviated version of the adverse reactions that were recorded in the clinical trials. if you just google mmr vaccine insert you can read the rest yourself.

Incidence levels of these side effects and lasting impact from them please? 99% of these warnings are to protect against legal liability, and often nothing to do with any evidence based approach.

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 Nov 04, 2018 at 11:55 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #75  
LovingBubby Says:

Sorry, #38, but you don't know what you don't know. Autism is NOT just about the MMR. All shots have adjuvants in order to create an inflammatory/immune response. Adjuvants like aluminum, mercury and other heavy metals. Then there is the polysorbate 80, which crosses the blood brain barrier, creating encephalopathy, aka brain inflammation. This is listed as a side effect on the vaccine inserts, readily available to read on the CDC website. Secondly, the MMR shot is NOT available separately. A relative who works in a health care setting needed to get an MMR because titers showed they were not immune to mumps. They are NOT able to get a mumps booster alone, but had to take the whole MMR. And yes, they had a vaccine injury after that. Imagine, fever and a full body rash. Because the shots contain live virus. Third, there is speculation that the AMF cases that are being seen is a reaction to the flu shot. Again, vaccine inserts list Guillian Barre as a possible consequence of receiving a flu shot. Please, your comments about 3rd world countries, hovels and calling people selfish does nothing to further the dialogue and shows you in a poor light.

Loving Bubby would rather see for every child that suffered from encephalopathy due to the vaccine, 2,000 times this number suffering due to getting measles instead (with 1,000 of them suffering lifelong from it and the other half recovering).

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 Nov 04, 2018 at 11:59 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #77  
Sholom and Esther Laine Says:

We know what is good for our children. You think keeping our kids out of school will protect your kids?! What protection will your precious children have in shul, in the pizza shop, in the clothes store?!

We will bring our children to shul.
We will bring them into eateries.
We will keep them in schools.
We will bring them to the clothing stores and food stores!

If YOU don't like it - then YOU keep your kids out of school, shul, pizza shops, shoe stores..

Why don't all vaccinated people you keep YOUR children locked up to "protect" them. Because our children will be running around and doing what children do and there is NOTHING you can do to stop us!!

We can pressure schools to exclude you. We can vote for politicians and lobby to pass laws removing religious exemptions to vaccination. There is supposed to be a separate of church and state in this country, not a deference to church in this country. When you create religious beliefs that negatively affect the rest of society (including the vast majority of the orthodox world in this case), there is no reason anyone should give deference to that. If government can force parents to send kids with cancer to treatment instead of faith healing (by some other denominations) it can force you to give vaccination, despite your stupidity.

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 Nov 06, 2018 at 02:09 PM TigerBody Says:

Reply to #24  
Dovid Says:

Fascinating to see how people are so clueless. I was also once pro vaccines the funny part is that I never knew the ingredients nor how many injuries & deaths they're are monthly due to vaccinations.
OBVIOUSLY there's a reason why peo don't vax! Don't u think every parent wants the best for their child???
The peo that are ANTI are the ones who did research. And I'm talking science!
Why are u guys scared if u vaccinate you're kids? Lol
What about the fact that there are vaccines including measles that contain live viruse?
That means it sheds. It's called viral shedding and once the vaccine is administered u are contagious up to 28 days!
So who's spreading diseases here??
What about the outbreaks in history in fully vaccinated populations?
Does anyone here know what law was passed in 1986???
Does anyone know how many deaths & injuries VAERS (vaccine adverse events reporting system) receives a month due to vaccines??
Don't be NAIVE ! It's all money!!
No one cares more about you're health that they're pockets !

I concur!

Thanks for reminding people about this.

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 Nov 06, 2018 at 02:10 PM TigerBody Says:

Reply to #79  
Anonymous Says:

Incidence levels of these side effects and lasting impact from them please? 99% of these warnings are to protect against legal liability, and often nothing to do with any evidence based approach.

All one has to do is read "the insert" to find out all the problems with a vaccine.

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 Nov 06, 2018 at 02:12 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #27  
Halachic Says:

So they are claiming a violation of their constitutional rights. What about the constitutional rights of all the other kids to remain safe in school?

Good thing the USA is a "Republic" where the "minority" has the right to exist and live their life, unlike a "Democracy" where EVERYONe has to conform to the will of the majority.

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