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Published on: December 16, 2018 10:13 AM
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New York - With the specter of the latest education guidelines that are attempting to dictate secular curricula in all private schools statewide looming large, Moetzes Gedolei Hatorah of America has issued a public call for a day of prayer to take place this week. 

The statement from the group of prominent rabbis asks the Jewish community, including elementary schools and institutions of higher learning, to recite Tehillim during the Mincha services on Tuesday, which coincides with the fast of Asara B’Teves. 

It decries the new guidelines, issued by Commissioner MaryEllen Elia of the New York State Department of Education as a “clear and present danger that affects us and our children” which will have “a terrible negative impact, quantitatively and qualitatively, on the chinuch of our children as has been handed down to us through the generations.”

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 Dec 16, 2018 at 10:53 AM triumphinwhitehouse Says:

I don't get it, the aguda and satmar went all out for cuomo 1 month ago before elections and have werdyger their chairman and abe Eisner and they told us the masses follow us we have daas torah now suddenly they want us the masses to follow them again? Agudah doesn't speak for anyone without big bucks they and their pointless conferences have no relevance

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 Dec 16, 2018 at 11:03 AM amerikaner Says:

the one way to stop this DECREE is to REGISTER ALL YIDDISHE & HEIMISHE CHILDREN IN PUBLIC SCHOOL - let them have the headache of creating classes - opening new buildings - hiring teachers - and then no one sends them to school.

the "Bored" of Education will have all the expenses and will have to deal with it

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 Dec 16, 2018 at 11:19 AM Educated Archy Says:

This is why we need to vote republican. I wonder why my satmar friend is so quite now. Maybe he finally relaized that the big democrat win in the Ny state senate is bad for frum jews. Dems are bad for frum jews. They take away our religious liberties

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 Dec 16, 2018 at 11:20 AM Educated Archy Says:

Reply to #1  
triumphinwhitehouse Says:

I don't get it, the aguda and satmar went all out for cuomo 1 month ago before elections and have werdyger their chairman and abe Eisner and they told us the masses follow us we have daas torah now suddenly they want us the masses to follow them again? Agudah doesn't speak for anyone without big bucks they and their pointless conferences have no relevance

Its not Cuomo is the Ny state assembley. Coumo is a politician with no principals.

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 Dec 16, 2018 at 11:29 AM NEW-NU Says:

This decree is min haShamayim. We have to beg Hashem to have mercy, especially on the Jewish school children. We have to beg Hashem for mercy. The response to this is to have thousands of more Jewish children enrolled in Jewish schools.

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 Dec 16, 2018 at 11:46 AM Refyok Says:

I'm praying the guidelines stay in place. Put an end to the abusive neglect of the kids' educational needs.

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 Dec 16, 2018 at 11:59 AM fat36 Says:

Learning torah Is the way to go to give a proper foundation to your children to yourself On how to Become and to live like a proper Jew.that’s only if you practice what you learn learning without practicing in gods eyes means zero.The behavior of certain groups specially when it comes in the public forum or the coverups over the past few years of certain things that have taken place in the communities I think the English is not such a bad thing after all

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 Dec 16, 2018 at 12:11 PM inNY Says:

Is anyone aware of a Yom Tefillah by the Moatz for the thousands of Kids who have gone OTD, cause they were not accepted in schools over the many years? NO, it never happened such an event.. the Rabbi's IMHO are not to be taken seriously anymore on the issue of education, until they adresse publicly this issue.

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 Dec 16, 2018 at 12:41 PM LionofZion Says:

It started with banning college. Now, Satmar and Lakewood have banned high school.
Thank G-d the state is stepping in to restore some common sense.

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 Dec 16, 2018 at 12:44 PM TRump has better principles Says:

Reply to #4  
Educated Archy Says:

Its not Cuomo is the Ny state assembley. Coumo is a politician with no principals.

A great pun!

Kudos!!

No principals!!! Very funny, err, punny!!!!

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 Dec 16, 2018 at 12:52 PM howdyoulikethat Says:

Reply to #4  
Educated Archy Says:

Its not Cuomo is the Ny state assembley. Coumo is a politician with no principals.

I guess all the principals got hired by the schools

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 Dec 16, 2018 at 12:55 PM Texas_Joe Says:

Heaven forbid that our communities might come to respect science and immunize the children!

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 Dec 16, 2018 at 01:13 PM Educated Archy Says:

Reply to #10  
TRump has better principles Says:

A great pun!

Kudos!!

No principals!!! Very funny, err, punny!!!!

Oy you genuis. Of course Trump has no principals and thats my point. Yidden vote for who is good for them not for principals. Coumo seemed to be good fro frum jews

And unlike Coumo with Trump we know he loves his jewish grandchidlren & daughter and we know he was always good to his jewish workers. We also see he freed rubashkin (something he'd never do to a mexican or muslim) Thus there is ample reason to assume you will serve our interest

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 Dec 16, 2018 at 01:12 PM Olam Sheker Says:

What about all the powerful "askanim" with their silly photo ops with Coumo, DiBlasio, and other Toeyva supporters in the Dem party? Just useless and stupid ego trips but of no use when support for Torah is needed. Ditto to the heimisha, public relations zoinah who makes sure he's pictured with every toeyva supporting Dem such as Nadler, and who will lobby for any cause as long as he gets paid. Where are his connections now? Useless, kovod hungry idiots

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 Dec 16, 2018 at 01:20 PM Ina Says:

Reply to #8  
inNY Says:

Is anyone aware of a Yom Tefillah by the Moatz for the thousands of Kids who have gone OTD, cause they were not accepted in schools over the many years? NO, it never happened such an event.. the Rabbi's IMHO are not to be taken seriously anymore on the issue of education, until they adresse publicly this issue.

inNY, thank you for saying what is in my heart! The schools have become the personal fiefdoms of a few and have excluded many of our children for too long now. Perhaps this is why all of this has come upon us at this time. I for one say, who the hell cares about the schools. Close them all down!

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 Dec 16, 2018 at 01:26 PM hashomer Says:

Prayer for this? OTD looks more kosher every day. Oy.

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 Dec 16, 2018 at 01:31 PM DavidCohen Says:

Reply to #2  
amerikaner Says:

the one way to stop this DECREE is to REGISTER ALL YIDDISHE & HEIMISHE CHILDREN IN PUBLIC SCHOOL - let them have the headache of creating classes - opening new buildings - hiring teachers - and then no one sends them to school.

the "Bored" of Education will have all the expenses and will have to deal with it

This dumb "register all our kids in NYC public schools" idea keeps popping up. Do the math, my friend. There are 1.2M kids in NYC public schools, there are 115K students in NYC yeshivos, so, let's just round it and call it 10%. In NYC public schools the average class size is 26.2 students per teacher. Adding 10% more kids means that there will still be under 30 students per teacher. The public schools could easily add those without any new classes, buildings, or teachers. As I said, dumb idea.

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 Dec 16, 2018 at 02:32 PM FYI Says:

Reply to #2  
amerikaner Says:

the one way to stop this DECREE is to REGISTER ALL YIDDISHE & HEIMISHE CHILDREN IN PUBLIC SCHOOL - let them have the headache of creating classes - opening new buildings - hiring teachers - and then no one sends them to school.

the "Bored" of Education will have all the expenses and will have to deal with it

If you register your kids into public school and they don't show up for class they are considered truants and parents are subject to arrest, you should be appointed to the chlemer board of education

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 Dec 16, 2018 at 02:33 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
triumphinwhitehouse Says:

I don't get it, the aguda and satmar went all out for cuomo 1 month ago before elections and have werdyger their chairman and abe Eisner and they told us the masses follow us we have daas torah now suddenly they want us the masses to follow them again? Agudah doesn't speak for anyone without big bucks they and their pointless conferences have no relevance

It is not up to Cuomo, he can’t do anything about it! It’s the assembly.

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 Dec 16, 2018 at 02:36 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #4  
Educated Archy Says:

Its not Cuomo is the Ny state assembley. Coumo is a politician with no principals.

so is the fake hair color boy in teh oval office

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 Dec 16, 2018 at 02:37 PM qazxc Says:

Reply to #17  
DavidCohen Says:

This dumb "register all our kids in NYC public schools" idea keeps popping up. Do the math, my friend. There are 1.2M kids in NYC public schools, there are 115K students in NYC yeshivos, so, let's just round it and call it 10%. In NYC public schools the average class size is 26.2 students per teacher. Adding 10% more kids means that there will still be under 30 students per teacher. The public schools could easily add those without any new classes, buildings, or teachers. As I said, dumb idea.

Do the math??? Math is assur!!! We have to daven to be mevatel it.

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 Dec 16, 2018 at 02:52 PM ercsd Says:

Reply to #6  
Refyok Says:

I'm praying the guidelines stay in place. Put an end to the abusive neglect of the kids' educational needs.

I agree. The Hasidic kids should have the opportunity to be professionals-doctors, lawyers etc. They should be taught by NYS certified teachers. Someone once wrote on another blog, "keep them dumb and keep them frum".

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 Dec 16, 2018 at 02:52 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
Educated Archy Says:

This is why we need to vote republican. I wonder why my satmar friend is so quite now. Maybe he finally relaized that the big democrat win in the Ny state senate is bad for frum jews. Dems are bad for frum jews. They take away our religious liberties

Satmar (and all Frumme) are voting Democrat. When you have a large family 8-10 (Many times more) children Keyn Yirbu you can not live without assistance Medicaid,Sec 8 etc what all Republicans oppose. Even if every single chosid would have a PHD its simple not enough to provide for a large family. Fersteist? Of course you and your frei friends will tell us not to have children (Typical Republican ideas) but just proves my point that the Dems are much better than you guys. Telling us to have some basic education is not the same as telling us not to have children like the Mizrim and the republicans want. There is a reason why all yeshivot are in Democrat controlled cities. No one wants to live in Republican controlled Cities with MAGA Bombers R"L Massacring Jews. NEVER AGAIN.

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 Dec 16, 2018 at 02:57 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
Educated Archy Says:

This is why we need to vote republican. I wonder why my satmar friend is so quite now. Maybe he finally relaized that the big democrat win in the Ny state senate is bad for frum jews. Dems are bad for frum jews. They take away our religious liberties

HMM? 3 weeks ago you claimed that BP, Lakewood etc voted Republican. This is now revenge. It happened a few days after election. Yiden need to do Tshuveh and vote Democrat to have a leverage. When you vote Rep they can tell you go to Republican Cities and get your welfare there. This is what happens when you Kofu Tayv. The Dems gave you everything and you voted Rep. You got what you deserved.

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 Dec 16, 2018 at 02:58 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #17  
DavidCohen Says:

This dumb "register all our kids in NYC public schools" idea keeps popping up. Do the math, my friend. There are 1.2M kids in NYC public schools, there are 115K students in NYC yeshivos, so, let's just round it and call it 10%. In NYC public schools the average class size is 26.2 students per teacher. Adding 10% more kids means that there will still be under 30 students per teacher. The public schools could easily add those without any new classes, buildings, or teachers. As I said, dumb idea.

115K in Yeshivos. How many Chassidish? They dont speak English.

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 Dec 16, 2018 at 03:00 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #13  
Educated Archy Says:

Oy you genuis. Of course Trump has no principals and thats my point. Yidden vote for who is good for them not for principals. Coumo seemed to be good fro frum jews

And unlike Coumo with Trump we know he loves his jewish grandchidlren & daughter and we know he was always good to his jewish workers. We also see he freed rubashkin (something he'd never do to a mexican or muslim) Thus there is ample reason to assume you will serve our interest

Really? I have seen thousand and thousand of Pictures of Trump. Not one with his Jewish Grandchildren. Not One. Obama had hundreds of pictures with his children weekly published.

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 Dec 16, 2018 at 03:05 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #13  
Educated Archy Says:

Oy you genuis. Of course Trump has no principals and thats my point. Yidden vote for who is good for them not for principals. Coumo seemed to be good fro frum jews

And unlike Coumo with Trump we know he loves his jewish grandchidlren & daughter and we know he was always good to his jewish workers. We also see he freed rubashkin (something he'd never do to a mexican or muslim) Thus there is ample reason to assume you will serve our interest

"Trump has no principles" has not been seen with his Grandchildren at all. I have yet to meet a ZEIDY (Grandpa)who doesnt brag about his eineklach (Grandkids) none stop. How is MAGA and the Massacre of yiden a first in USA History good for Yiden?

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 Dec 16, 2018 at 03:05 PM Pathetically funny Says:

If you people don't learn how to spell English words properly, the next gezerah is going to require buying dictionaries for each family member.

Seriously, challenges to educational proposals look pretty silly when it's clear that people cannot write simple sentences correctly.

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 Dec 16, 2018 at 03:08 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #2  
amerikaner Says:

the one way to stop this DECREE is to REGISTER ALL YIDDISHE & HEIMISHE CHILDREN IN PUBLIC SCHOOL - let them have the headache of creating classes - opening new buildings - hiring teachers - and then no one sends them to school.

the "Bored" of Education will have all the expenses and will have to deal with it

Or they size all Yeshivas (Eminant Domain) keep some techers and 1/2 the kids will be happy to go to the same school.

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 Dec 16, 2018 at 03:11 PM Looney Liberals Says:

This is what happens when liberals are in charge. First they come for our yeshivas then milah, followed by shabbos and kosher. We must resist.

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 Dec 16, 2018 at 03:24 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
Educated Archy Says:

This is why we need to vote republican. I wonder why my satmar friend is so quite now. Maybe he finally relaized that the big democrat win in the Ny state senate is bad for frum jews. Dems are bad for frum jews. They take away our religious liberties

Let me understand this. The Dems are telling the Chassidishe to get a basic English EDUCATION. All of a sudden this is bad idea to you. The Republicans with their Neo-Nazi Friends commit a MASSACRE against Jews with MAGA hats and that is OK now? If you are trying to tell us to leave NY where we can get all necessarily benefits, help etc because some basic EDUCATION and move to NORTH DAKOTA where they hate us and live next door with Neo-Nazis who dont have any Education to begin with you are mistaken.

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 Dec 16, 2018 at 03:28 PM Charedi Yid Says:

I am happy the Olam is starting to get it. The Rebbes and Rabbonim just want to keep us in the dark, enabling their power to be solidified and not challenged. They live comfortably and don't need education to pay their bills, while the rest of us do.
I am going to Daven really hard this thing passes, albeit with reduce mandatory hours. The best way is to use testing to make sure we give our precious children at least some kind of "minimum slandered education", and give them a fighting chance in the world. How many that come out of our yeshivas can write a proper report of speak a full paragraph straight.
I am not even talking about those that sound like morons when speaking English. Lets face it - get a job anywhere and people WILL notice you had a Yeshiva education. And don't give the BS about the scvarters in public schools are not doing better.
I that what you are inspire your kids reach? Are you happy your kids will have to rely their whole life on gov't help?

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 Dec 16, 2018 at 03:37 PM Time to unite Says:

Now isn’t the time to share grievances about specific problems in Yeshivos. When a fire is burning you don’t say “let’s fix the problems and then we’ll see if we can save the places”. These guidelines put ALL YESHIVOS in serious danger. Now is the time to unite in prayer and put differences aside.

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 Dec 16, 2018 at 04:00 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
Educated Archy Says:

This is why we need to vote republican. I wonder why my satmar friend is so quite now. Maybe he finally relaized that the big democrat win in the Ny state senate is bad for frum jews. Dems are bad for frum jews. They take away our religious liberties

The republican part is also responsible for this, dean skelos refused to pass a bill 7 years ago that would have stopped this situation

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 Dec 16, 2018 at 04:03 PM Robert Says:

Reply to #2  
amerikaner Says:

the one way to stop this DECREE is to REGISTER ALL YIDDISHE & HEIMISHE CHILDREN IN PUBLIC SCHOOL - let them have the headache of creating classes - opening new buildings - hiring teachers - and then no one sends them to school.

the "Bored" of Education will have all the expenses and will have to deal with it

i am not a lawyer, however what you are proposing sounds like conspiracy to commit fraud

i would be very careful -
if you register your children they would love it- more dollars and resources and then they dont spend it on you

be careful- dont threaten unless you can follow through my friend

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 Dec 16, 2018 at 04:06 PM Robert Says:

Reply to #8  
inNY Says:

Is anyone aware of a Yom Tefillah by the Moatz for the thousands of Kids who have gone OTD, cause they were not accepted in schools over the many years? NO, it never happened such an event.. the Rabbi's IMHO are not to be taken seriously anymore on the issue of education, until they adresse publicly this issue.

are jewish yeshiva's allowed to turn away good children because of academic weakness ?

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 Dec 16, 2018 at 04:23 PM qazxc Says:

Reply to #17  
DavidCohen Says:

This dumb "register all our kids in NYC public schools" idea keeps popping up. Do the math, my friend. There are 1.2M kids in NYC public schools, there are 115K students in NYC yeshivos, so, let's just round it and call it 10%. In NYC public schools the average class size is 26.2 students per teacher. Adding 10% more kids means that there will still be under 30 students per teacher. The public schools could easily add those without any new classes, buildings, or teachers. As I said, dumb idea.

Do the math??? Math is assur!!! We have to daven to be mevatel it.

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 Dec 16, 2018 at 04:36 PM grandbear Says:

isn't there supposed to be a separation of state and religion in america?Why aren't lawyers doing their jobs and filing court papers to stop this intrusion of the state in religious schools The not so subtle new rule of how many hours have to be spent teaching secular subjects in jewish schools, is plainly a ruse to stop teaching torah to our children , same as the hellenists did in the days of antiochus .Why are our leaders not saying as much.?

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 Dec 16, 2018 at 04:41 PM PaulinSaudi Says:

I am in favor of children learning to speak English as well as math and science.

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 Dec 16, 2018 at 05:34 PM Let TRump speak ANYTHING cogent Says:

Reply to #33  
PaulinSaudi Says:

I am in favor of children learning to speak English as well as math and science.

Tell that to the American citizens in Puerto Rico, Guam and Hawaii.
They speak Spanish, Chamorro and Ōlelo Hawaiʻi.

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 Dec 16, 2018 at 06:12 PM Educated Archy Says:

Reply to #20  
Anonymous Says:

Satmar (and all Frumme) are voting Democrat. When you have a large family 8-10 (Many times more) children Keyn Yirbu you can not live without assistance Medicaid,Sec 8 etc what all Republicans oppose. Even if every single chosid would have a PHD its simple not enough to provide for a large family. Fersteist? Of course you and your frei friends will tell us not to have children (Typical Republican ideas) but just proves my point that the Dems are much better than you guys. Telling us to have some basic education is not the same as telling us not to have children like the Mizrim and the republicans want. There is a reason why all yeshivot are in Democrat controlled cities. No one wants to live in Republican controlled Cities with MAGA Bombers R"L Massacring Jews. NEVER AGAIN.

Again totally skriting the issue. Its the DEMOCRATS who is forcing satmar to have english and secular studies. They are infringing on your religon. The republicans will protect your religon. Are you that dumb? Answer my question. Who is making the tzarus nor=w democrates or republcians? Why won't you answer me??/

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 Dec 16, 2018 at 06:15 PM PaulinSaudi Says:

Why would I want to tell them that? I am telling you that.

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 Dec 16, 2018 at 06:18 PM Educated Archy Says:

Reply to #20  
Anonymous Says:

Satmar (and all Frumme) are voting Democrat. When you have a large family 8-10 (Many times more) children Keyn Yirbu you can not live without assistance Medicaid,Sec 8 etc what all Republicans oppose. Even if every single chosid would have a PHD its simple not enough to provide for a large family. Fersteist? Of course you and your frei friends will tell us not to have children (Typical Republican ideas) but just proves my point that the Dems are much better than you guys. Telling us to have some basic education is not the same as telling us not to have children like the Mizrim and the republicans want. There is a reason why all yeshivot are in Democrat controlled cities. No one wants to live in Republican controlled Cities with MAGA Bombers R"L Massacring Jews. NEVER AGAIN.

You have some chutzpah to call me a frei guy. You don';t know me at all. I believe in large famileis and so do republcians by the way. Thats why republcians are traditionally into offering child tax credits because they believe in families and kids. Its the dems that believe in sleeping around freely and not being bound to families. They don't like the idea of tying tax incentives to families. That's a republcians idea you dummy.

The yeshvias get alot more money from republcians who offer private school vocuhers. Another republcian idea not dems.

And you think its just a lttle education they are pushing on you? The rabbonim don't seem to call this a small issue.

And whats with LGBT rights. Wait till they force satmar to accopmdate lo alinu LGBT's like the flatbush store (garden of eat in)is forced to do now. I know its only flatbush jews. they are not satmar and don't count.

But its the dems who force LGBT down our throats. Its the dems that hate large families. Its the dems who hate religous schools and don't want to fund it.

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 Dec 16, 2018 at 07:52 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #32  
grandbear Says:

isn't there supposed to be a separation of state and religion in america?Why aren't lawyers doing their jobs and filing court papers to stop this intrusion of the state in religious schools The not so subtle new rule of how many hours have to be spent teaching secular subjects in jewish schools, is plainly a ruse to stop teaching torah to our children , same as the hellenists did in the days of antiochus .Why are our leaders not saying as much.?

Interesting none of this happened under Obama. Not this gezereh and not the Pittsburgh massacre of Yiden. Unfortunatly many yiden voted Republican and now the Dems are striking back.

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 Dec 16, 2018 at 09:07 PM Educated Archy Says:

Reply to #38  
Anonymous Says:

Interesting none of this happened under Obama. Not this gezereh and not the Pittsburgh massacre of Yiden. Unfortunatly many yiden voted Republican and now the Dems are striking back.

Oh a new excuse. So because we vote for the other party it justfied to hit us back. That's a chris christie altitude. democartes are suppose to be mpore civlized. So you finally admit that they are the same crooked jew haters and when we don't vote for them they get even with us. A nice new kruma torah to defned them.
Bottom line is
its the democartes making tzarus.
Its bloomberg the dem who made the metiziaa bpeh tzarus not Guilani.
(It was Dinkins and De Blassio's term who let the blacks run loose and kill Rosenbaum also dems)
The tzarus why stroes are forced to allow Lesbain performers are because they are in liberal NYC. In Texas we wouldn't have such tzarus.

This is just the begining with dems

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 Dec 16, 2018 at 10:02 PM Mark Levin Says:

Reply to #6  
Refyok Says:

I'm praying the guidelines stay in place. Put an end to the abusive neglect of the kids' educational needs.

So you are a rosha with the same end as the self haters who are bringing this on klal Yisroel.

The fact that the catholic schools already told the state last week that they will NOT comply, means nothing to you?

The fact that they want private schools to have MORE hours of secular studies then public school means nothing to you? You are sooooo fardurbin that you can't see even that part of the issue?

I'll take the average Yeshiva boy's education over that of a public school shaygitz ANY day! Just because YOU were a looooooiser doesn't make everyone else one as well.

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 Dec 17, 2018 at 01:08 AM Greener Says:

Ders nutting rong wit da ejukashun gidloins. I lerned inglish a lott an I kan ther4 rite reel gud. Half ah neias daye.

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 Dec 17, 2018 at 04:14 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #25  
Looney Liberals Says:

This is what happens when liberals are in charge. First they come for our yeshivas then milah, followed by shabbos and kosher. We must resist.

Great... Without liberals and welfare, we would have a bunch of poor people living in shantytowns, with a few rich living behind security gates, and no one in Kollel as they would all need to get jobs to pay their bills. So what is your point again. I mean you do realize that the Republicans are against welfare. Some States with Republicans in charge are now requiring that you work to be eligible for welfare... Oh, don't even try to imagine what a GOP utopia would look like when it comes to health insurance... Imagine premiums based on family size, with it being more difficult to get free or cheap insurance, that would really be a blow to large families. So resist. I doubt it will help much. Maybe get them to improve the regulation, but that is it. The State is kind of stuck now in terms of ensuring that a modicum of education is given. It is hard to imagine the State can walk this back. If they did, I would imagine the lawsuits would follow forcing them to do this in any case. Yeah, I know some will scream freedom of religion here. Fyi, every court in this country will require that you teach your kids a decent secular education. Not teaching secular education, is not an option.

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 Dec 17, 2018 at 04:26 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #27  
Time to unite Says:

Now isn’t the time to share grievances about specific problems in Yeshivos. When a fire is burning you don’t say “let’s fix the problems and then we’ll see if we can save the places”. These guidelines put ALL YESHIVOS in serious danger. Now is the time to unite in prayer and put differences aside.

But I for years have been trying to tell people that what was going on was going to collapse one day. I have no problem joining together to push-back or at least get clarity on what the regulations are. But consider this like a boat with a hole that has been getting bigger each year. Suddenly the water is pouring in a bit too fast. You are just yelling, everyone get a bigger bucket to scoop faster... If you don't address the hole it all won't help.

R' Brudny and Reissman, may have good intentions, but let them write an open letter to the Satmar, Belzer, and Sqvere Rebbes (and some others) in the Jewish publications insisting that they do what they should be doing. As long as they believe in not providing secular education is the right thing to do, I don't think we will see an end to this situation. The Satmar Rebbe in a recent speech outright rejected secular education in high school and only a minimal amount in elementary. Maybe the prior Satmar Rebbe was too holy to criticize for his anti-zionism that causes issues till today, but the current Rebbe's they went to secular courts and I am not sure they deserve the respect of the god-fearing frum velt.

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 Dec 17, 2018 at 04:40 AM Yonason_Herschlag Says:

When moshiach come במהרה ובימינו, how will all the frum Yidden in NY find housing in Israel?
The current threat is grave... do not disregard it. They are threatening to hold parents liable for truancy if they don't enroll their kids in a school that meets their guidelines. And the new guidelines are draconian. Truant parents are liable to both fines and jail (no beheading according to current regulations).

We pray that this decree will be nullified, but consider the scenario would it not: What do you imagine parents will do when they get out of a week of jail time with the threat to be held longer if they don't comply? Some would move to NJ, others to Israel. The property market in Brooklyn would crash... all sellers and no buyers.

If nearly a quarter million Jews make aliya, how will they be absorbed?
When moshiach comes, the need to make aliya will be much more sudden... PREPARE.

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 Dec 17, 2018 at 04:41 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #32  
grandbear Says:

isn't there supposed to be a separation of state and religion in america?Why aren't lawyers doing their jobs and filing court papers to stop this intrusion of the state in religious schools The not so subtle new rule of how many hours have to be spent teaching secular subjects in jewish schools, is plainly a ruse to stop teaching torah to our children , same as the hellenists did in the days of antiochus .Why are our leaders not saying as much.?

Because most lawyers know their jobs and they know when they go to court and the State says the law allows us to regulate schools they will then have to explain why they should be exempt from regulation. How could you show you should be exempt? I would think a showing that your former students are employed and not on social welfare, or at least not more than the national average or other appropriate measurement, would be helpful. Oh, right... Even the non-chassidic Yehsivas that teach secular education, have been pushing Kollel so strongly that the percent of students on social welfare, now easily far exceeds national averages. Hmmm... I am sure there are lawyers trying to concoct legal theories to defend Yeshivas here (lucrative business defending in court, too bad the lawyers doing this likely went to more modern Yeshivas), but separation of church and state is only going to help ensure that we don't get 7 hours a day of secular education, not that you can continue with nil, to minimal amounts.

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 Dec 17, 2018 at 04:53 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #35  
Educated Archy Says:

Again totally skriting the issue. Its the DEMOCRATS who is forcing satmar to have english and secular studies. They are infringing on your religon. The republicans will protect your religon. Are you that dumb? Answer my question. Who is making the tzarus nor=w democrates or republcians? Why won't you answer me??/

Educated Archy, once again shows his lack of education...

Republican view of Welfare is that you should be required to work to get welfare. How is that going to work for Kollel? The whole system will fall apart once people realize they need to work when they get out of school. When they realize that they will insist their kids schools teach them a good secular education so they can get good jobs.... Maybe the Democrats are not so bad after all. Maybe some secular education and getting more people to work and sending less to Kollel would not be a bad idea either. Hard to understand that it is the right thing to push so many in Kollel and have them rely on social welfare from a secular state. I mean, could you not guess that this might be a problem one day.

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 Dec 17, 2018 at 04:55 AM Anonymous Says:

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Educated Archy Says:

You have some chutzpah to call me a frei guy. You don';t know me at all. I believe in large famileis and so do republcians by the way. Thats why republcians are traditionally into offering child tax credits because they believe in families and kids. Its the dems that believe in sleeping around freely and not being bound to families. They don't like the idea of tying tax incentives to families. That's a republcians idea you dummy.

The yeshvias get alot more money from republcians who offer private school vocuhers. Another republcian idea not dems.

And you think its just a lttle education they are pushing on you? The rabbonim don't seem to call this a small issue.

And whats with LGBT rights. Wait till they force satmar to accopmdate lo alinu LGBT's like the flatbush store (garden of eat in)is forced to do now. I know its only flatbush jews. they are not satmar and don't count.

But its the dems who force LGBT down our throats. Its the dems that hate large families. Its the dems who hate religous schools and don't want to fund it.

You are frei as you don't believe in the dictates of Chazal. They said you should teach your children a job so they don't grow up to steal. Need I continue?

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 Dec 17, 2018 at 05:06 AM Anonymous Says:

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Mark Levin Says:

So you are a rosha with the same end as the self haters who are bringing this on klal Yisroel.

The fact that the catholic schools already told the state last week that they will NOT comply, means nothing to you?

The fact that they want private schools to have MORE hours of secular studies then public school means nothing to you? You are sooooo fardurbin that you can't see even that part of the issue?

I'll take the average Yeshiva boy's education over that of a public school shaygitz ANY day! Just because YOU were a looooooiser doesn't make everyone else one as well.

I am ashamed to have ever worked for your campaign to get elected a number of years back... Why are you calling that person a Rosha? Do you believe in the dictate of Chazal to teach an education so your children don't steal? Do I need to link to the Wikipedia article on Yiddish Williamsburg where it alleges that numerous Sec 8 applications are fraudulently applied for? I learnt in Yeshiva it is better to pick up the trash then to rely on charity, yet a whole system has grown up where an increasing amount of Yeshiva graduates go on to live a life of welfare and not to work. When the anit-vaxxers first showed up, most Rabbi's said nothing; finally took an epidemic for Daas Torah to finally speak up. When this all finally blows over, my prediction, Daas Torah will be that you have to have a semi-decent secular education. Too bad, once again, that Daas Torah could not have spoken sooner.

Oh, as to the Catholics. They mention in their article that this was brought about due to some Yeshivas that don't teach secular education, but the Catholic schools do. Yes, they have concerns, but they will toss the Yeshiva's under the bus as they believe that they are responsible for all this.

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 Dec 17, 2018 at 09:09 AM georgeg Says:

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Anonymous Says:

Really? I have seen thousand and thousand of Pictures of Trump. Not one with his Jewish Grandchildren. Not One. Obama had hundreds of pictures with his children weekly published.

Maybe it is the parents of these Trump grandchildren who want to keep their own children (the Trump "grandchildren") with Jewish people in Jewish environment in Jewish influence - and Trump recuses to use his children as political ploys (the way Obama did) and lets the parents choose the children's education?

But more to the real point, maybe they also want to keep them safe from public ridicule the way Trump's own young son was ridiculed the time he did make an appearance (the inauguration if I remember correctly). And the way Kushner's wife - Trump's daughter who was with her young children at the time - was deliberately confronted on an airplane in December 2016.

So perhaps they are not so political as Obama as to use their own children as cannon fodder the way Obama did.

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 Dec 17, 2018 at 10:25 AM Geulah Says:

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amerikaner Says:

the one way to stop this DECREE is to REGISTER ALL YIDDISHE & HEIMISHE CHILDREN IN PUBLIC SCHOOL - let them have the headache of creating classes - opening new buildings - hiring teachers - and then no one sends them to school.

the "Bored" of Education will have all the expenses and will have to deal with it

The City has the power to declare a state of emergency, take over the buildings where the Yeshivas are currently located and use them for the public good. There will be many "heimishe" losing their teaching jobs as the City has no obligation to provide religious instruction or kosher food. This suggestion has no teeth.

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 Dec 17, 2018 at 10:53 AM shimonyehuda Says:

Reply to #2  
amerikaner Says:

the one way to stop this DECREE is to REGISTER ALL YIDDISHE & HEIMISHE CHILDREN IN PUBLIC SCHOOL - let them have the headache of creating classes - opening new buildings - hiring teachers - and then no one sends them to school.

the "Bored" of Education will have all the expenses and will have to deal with it

if they register they have to go to public school.

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