Tyrol, Austria – A hotel in Tyrol that said it does not accept Jewish guests has caused shock in the local media and tourism industry.
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A Vienna family of seven had asked the Haus Sonnenhof apartment hotel in the village of Serfaus for a reservation. The owner replied by e-mail that although the room was free, she did not want to take in Jewish guests because of “bad experiences” in the past.
The region around Serfaus has become popular with orthodox Jewish tourists in recent years, and several hotels in Tyrol have started offering kosher food.
The Hotel Alpenruh-Micheluzzi, owner Petra Micheluzzi told the German Press Agency DPA that the rejection by the Sonnenhof was “bad for the image” of Serfaus.
One such incident could destroy all the hard work by others in the travel industry, she said, a view echoed by local and regional tourism officials.
“That’s terrible,” said Esther Fritsch, the president of the regional Jewish community. So far there have been no such incidents.
Now you understand what chillul hashem means. I have heard similar comments from Jewish hotel owners that ‘unzerer’ are more difficult especially Israelis.
Why go to austria? Why not Swiss
The main lesson what we have to know is to behave better, no to scream anti this and anti that!!
Reply to 1….I am sorry I disagree with you …jewish people make all the time kidish hoshem…I travel a lot around the world…I meet people all over on plains and in hotels.they all have good things to tell about yiden…I know in the od time it happens that someone screws up but that doesn’t represent the entire holly klol yisroel….reply to # 2..could be people starting to go to Vienna amd not to Swiss cuz Swiss is vvvv expensive
So are they anti-semy’ or we have to behave more polite?
I don’t blame him! He probably had bad experiences with Jewish guests so he won’t take any other jews for now. Understand something; If you were a landlord you would discriminate too. You want rent not bedbugs & court appearances. So if you notice that various groups will infest your building or end you up in court, you won’t take them in the 1st place. That’s if you’re doing good business!
“Acheinu bnei yisrael” when many of us go to hotels, we don’t live up to our standards and WE cause a great chilul hashem that can lead to more and more incidents such as the 1 reported above by vin.
The owner of the hotel is here to make money, he’s not a Neo Nazi or a radical Islamist and he may have had some very bad experiences with Jewish guests in the past and therefore decided to put this policy in place.
Let’s apologize and make a kiddush hashem in the future when we go to hotels and we won’t have these troubles again.
will they let me shecht a my cow in the room?
I have encoutered a simila situation in NJ this past summer. I was told that due to the fact that a week before there a jewish group there and they wrecked their property and therefore I am not welcomed. Rabosei, we are in gulos, we get looked after every step, should we not act like we come from a royal blood, how do we forget who we are? Remember a Chilil hashem is easier to make than a Kiddush hashem. Its all up to us
hashem says we should always make a kiddush hasem and never challila a chillul hashem, then hashem will make nissim for us, like the story with rashis father, the diamond the king, the kiddush hashem and then eliyahu hanavi with the blessing of the birth of rashi, when will yiddelech know to behave as an am hanivchar
Come on don’t you see it’s a good reason not to sound anti-semetic. Let me hear them sending such emails to arabs, chinese , or any other ethnic group. There are roudy bisbehaved people between them too. (not that I say the Yidden are right) but it’s just a good excuse.
Austria reeks of anti-semitism. Why is anyone surprised?
akoom makpid al torah moshe
we have to be polite & live the room clean .
before I check out i pickup any trash , towels ,cups etc from the floor or table ,i say good morning to the hotel employees & tip if needed .
we have to avoid living the room looking like a dumping place .
some times we behave like we own the hotel asking all the time for more perks ,can u please do this, can u open this ? and if not we became upset and we call the management etc.
ve dai la chacham ve remiza
Some of u are right-such as waking up people on the plane looking for a minyan and blocking the stewards from going by. On the other hand others are right also, in that u cannot deny a whole race simply because u had a bad experience with “Jews” “blacks” “arabs” “orientals” etc etc. U have to take certain measures that insures Hotel deals with all guests fairly without discrimination because the people are “jews” That is discrimination and forbidden in Democratic countries.
Once in the Laurentides near Montreal when I checked out of a motel which offered free breakfast which I couldn’t eat anyways except I sat for a cup of coffee, the manager billed me extra for the breakfast. When I showed him on the reservation that it says complimentary breakfast, he says, “it is complimentary, but it doesn’t say how much it costs.”
So I refused to pay extra and he threatened to call the local police and I figured they might be worse anti-semites than this hotel owner. So I gave him the money. He says, “I know your people, and I will never take them here again.”
We are better off without staying at this mamzer’s motel.
I know this may sound a little radical, but just maybe there is a problem with anti-Semitism in Austria AND there is a problem with some of unzerer not behaving properly and leaving a bad taste in the mouths of those with whom they do business.
This hotel owner might be the biggest anti-semit Austrian since that Adolf Schickilgruber (yes, that was his father’s family name, not Hitler, that was his mother’s family name) or he might not have anything against yiddin (or at least didn’t until he went into the hotel business). The truth is there is no way we can know.
Either way though there is lechol hapachot a problem with how some of us treat service people of all types.
Let us use this as a wake up call, each in his or her own way, and be a little more careful with how we treat people, Jew and Gentile alike.
I think that very shul and yeshiva should teach our children and baaleybatim the chilul hashem going on and the need for displaying kiddush hashem. Nevertheless u should see how many goyim leave these places. It is still wrong to discriminate just because of a bad experience. I have lived in many hotels for years and years and they hate us with a dispicable attitude because of who we are although that does not excuse chilul hashem. Most of these hotel people look for an excuse like these.
If we were just mentch-lich wherever we went, things like this would not happen. Unfortunately so many of us grow up not learning how to be a mentch. It is so easy to make a kiddush hashem, but we have to be mindful of everything we say or do in public. Even a simple thank you when someone holds the door for you can go a long way, let alone leaving a hotel room in the shape you found it.
I run a kosher food establishment in south jersey and let me tell you I meet aprox. 800 customers a day, a large percentage of whom are orthodox/religious Jews, now obviously the root of antisemitism is and always will be in Austria and it’s beyond me why any Jew would ever want to tour, visit or spend money in such an evil place. But putting that aside, the more orthodox a customer is, the more difficult it is to satisfy them, and trust me many businesses would happily forgo such clientele. Shame on you!!!
u sound like u don’t like orthodox jews, in stating that ” the more orthodox they are, the
more dificult it is to satisfy them.” Those words says it all as u sound exactly like the hotel mgr in Austria. In business we meet all kinds of people and one should be thankful u were not around in Germany because your words sound like u would be a great Kappo with your implied conclusions of “orthodox jews.:” above.This is like the mgrs in my condo who are in the Supreme Court (and of course Jewish) fighting against a small mezuzah on the door of an owner. May I give u a brocho that you should be matzliach only with goyish customers henceforth and may your children and grandchildren ledoiros achruv continue to be succesful in all inyonim in the circles u wish to have as customers other than orthodox Jews.
Let’s be proud to be jewish and more proud to be irthodox jewish …I’m in business BH and I deal with all kinds of people there are goyim ganoovim and there are orthodox yiden very honest and ehrlich and there is the opposite I just got screwd by a very orhodox customer big money but I’m still proud to be orthodox I won’t change and I’m no big tzadik or fanatic but I’m an orthodox jew …and the orthodox jews have all the volunteer organazations like hatzoloh chaveirim you name it I’m proud with them and of course hashem is proud with them…they slauhterd a cow in public neighberhood they shouldn’t of done that but they are my brothers and I feel that my brother made a mistake but I still love them because they are my brothers
…Now a question what will happen when the stupid rockland people won’t like me walking to shul with a Lulov And Esrog ?I bet u there will be people saying they are right you don’t go in the street with a sharp weapon it can take out somones eyes and all other stupid comments …let’s start loving ourselves we have enough fights between our chasidus we don’t have to take the goys fights
The landlord is right, Austria is no place for Yidden.
I must be honest here: We are not loved anywhere, BUT we do happen to leave really bad impressions in lots of hotels.
I am a Swiss and let me tell you just a few incidents that happen here in Swiss rental appartments (Why the Nochrim dont really want us). The People who arrive start koshering the kitchen- Needles to say when they leave most of the ovens must be replaced, There is tape all over the kitchens. After using the appartment one has to pay a fee to clean it up for the next person- but lots of our Chachomim think that ok lets take advantage of that, well leave all our garbage( Usually u have to pay for specific garbage bags as a tax) and let them take care of it…So the appartment looks, and smells——-
Once there was a group of Chassidim staying in the mountains, they rented the public pool for a few hours wanting it for a Mikvah, and as they started walking in the pool undressed the lifeguard told them not to they didnt listen till one had to threaten them with police……………lots of Nochrim heard of this story.
Its sad, but what we must realise is, that sometimes we are alone to blame. It leaves a big Chillul H
the fact is austriaens are bigger anti semites then germans
I heard from my Mashgiach that some yidden because the look diffrent bring up their children to not care about what other people think and feel about them, in order that they should not feel different, but because of this they never learn to care about other peoples feelings and sensibilities and cause very big chillulei Hashem-amongst other yidden and goyim.I am not saying this Hotel owner is not a anti-semite I dont know. but I do think these groups MUST make sure to educate there children to think of other peoples feelings and to act with derech eretz..
( I know family and a Rebbi of mine who are from this group in monsey who for elementary school send there children to the other yeshiva!!)
I was there and I must state it is one of most beautiful spots on earth.
That said you must understand there culture and I feel I have to bring out my observation and actualy an observation of many Well mannerd Jewish Religous Tourist. Seeing our kids throwing trash on the ground (where under normal circumstance you will not find as much as a cigarette stub on the floor)
screaming behaving like they in Borough Park ,as well as there parents ill mannered not greeting or thanking when they enter a store or anywhere else for that matter. Behaving like the world belongs to them. We have to teach Nimus Behavior to the adults as well as the kids. And I want to point out although many of you are not going to like this statement but it is a fact, that European Jewish kids and Adults generally behave better then the Americans and the Israelis.
Mr. Feder a Wishnitzer Chusid and Chushever Yid from Israel who has a Hotel in Hungary for the last 15 years or so told us ones ,that one of the Hotels he used to lease for the summer refused to lease it to him again because of the filth and trash not to speak about property damage people caused at the property.
For example he said in one room someone schmired shoe polish all over the wallpaper and in another room the beds where disassembled carpets where ruined Bathrooms Damaged etc. etc .
It is so easy to make a Kiddush Hashem with a little effort why do we have to give them more ammunition against us .
To all Jew haters around here [oh sorry, frum jew haters], I used to go for years on mid winter vacation to several hotels in NJ with a group of friends, (a few couples), we switched around during the years between a few brand name hotels, we always left the rooms/suites sparkling, never made any noises in the lobbies and hallways, let alone littering, and behaved properly as the Torah requires us to do.
One day during one of my stays the maid cam in to the room and asked my wife: “be honest with me, did you people sleep the last few nights in here? did you sit around here? besides the towels in the tub everything looks intact the way i made it!”
We were quite pleased with the compliment, but we actually made our beds before the maid came to make it or change the linen, and we kept it beautiful like a yid..
She finished off by saying: “I know you people are always the cleanest and the best!”
Oh, forgot to identify myself, I’m a chassidishe man from Williamsburg, with long peyos on my sides [sorry, long curls], and my wife with a covered sheitel.
We have to distinguish between two issues, both of which are part of this story. The first issue is the anti semitism in the Tyrol. I have been there many times myself and there are unreconstructed old school austrian anti semites there. I have a fair number of personal experiences of this kind. At the same time, there are decent people who welcome Jews, whether because it is good for business or because they dont care or both. In the very village of Serfaus, for example, there is a hotel owned by local gentiles which caters each summer to Chareidim from Eretz Yisroel and is under chassidische hashgacha. Same village as the story which promted these comments. But whether the goyim choose to be anti semites or not, is their business.
The second issue is that it is our business to decide if we want to make a kiddush hashem or a chilul hashem. To argue for or against our behaviour as a cause of anti semitism is besides the point. The Ribono Shel Olam created a world in which Esav Sone es Yakov. But he also created a world in which we have responsibilities. Not to the goyim, but to ourselves. Some frum jews have absolutely no awareness of the dignity and self respect the Torah demands of a Jew. And they make a chilul hashem. Others do not. Just like the villagers of Serfaus, people are people and any given group has people who get it and people who dont.
Our achrayus is not to shrei at the goyim but to examine ourselves and ensure that our conduct is blameless and admirable. And not because we think that will protect us from the goyim, but because it is what the Ribono Shel Olam requires of us.
A nation is a nation when the polaks yemach shemom helped the nazis to kill us we all say polishe yemach shemom that’s the way people look at a nation even if there are thousands if stories that polish people helped the jews but to that there are millions that hated the jews so this is the way the world looks at a nation when hitler yemach shemoi brainwashed the germans that yiden are evil RL he proved it to them with a few examples eventhough 20 million jews were nice and honest people when you get robbed by a shwartze you want to kill them all that’s the way it is …now we yiden are kol yisroel areivim zah lozah and we have to take the fault of our brothers but like brothers and not like enemies what we want to eat up one the other the goy hates us either way if we leave a trash they hate us if we are mentshlich they hate us why their kids are not brought up as eidel as our they will allways hate us Fact …we won’t change it …we have to give up the medinah if not they will have another excuse to hate us which is a big excuse
A nation is a nation when the polaks yemach shemom helped the nazis to kill us we all say polishe yemach shemom that’s the way people look at a nation even if there are thousands if stories that polish people helped the jews but to that there are millions that hated the jews so this is the way the world looks at a nation when hitler yemach shemoi brainwashed the germans that yiden are evil RL he proved it to them with a few examples eventhough 20 million jews were nice and honest people when you get robbed by a shwartze you want to kill them all that’s the way it is …now we yiden are kol yisroel areivim zah lozah and we have to take the fault of our brothers but like brothers and not like enemies what we want to eat up one the other the goy hates us either way if we leave a trash they hate us if we are mentshlich they hate us why their kids are not brought up as eidel as our they will allways hate us Fact …we won’t change it …we have to give up the medinah if not they will have another excuse to hate us which is a big excuse
the guy is right i went around the world and some jews could really get out of hand and i have to tell them were not all the same.and stuff the i have seen in the airport is out of wack.and a lot of them are type.
the problem is which i have heard from friends who are restaurant/hotel owners is jewish people feel they have to take advantage of every free/complimentary offering in an establishment or they feel they have been robbed whenever they spend money and many establishments in new york will tell jews they need reservations even if they have room because they know the help will not get tipped and they are by nature filthy.you have to ask yourselves why around the world your disliked for the exact same reasons, there is no such thing as people disliking a people for no reason, get for real , but i suspect you people already know this
WONDERFUL! Now our frum brethren can get glatt meals in Austria, home or Hitler, Himmler, not to mention Kurt Waldhiem and so many others. How any Jew can go there to “relax “is beyond me. This was the cradle for the worst of the worst Nazis. Instead of screaming about the idiot hotel owner, maybe we need to take a long, hard look into our own neshomos. BTW–Israel can use every toursist dollar it can get. Any Jew who chooses Austria over EY is meshugga to begin with. Better to eat treif in Israel, than Glatt kosher in Austria, land of the murderers–in my opinion.
Common Sense above is 100% correct!
>But what makes you think there is a problem with “some of unzerer not behaving properly”? What makes you think that on average we are worse than any other category of hotel guests? That’s just Stockholm Syndrome, sympathising with the enemy and seeing things from his point of view. Without evidence that there really is a problem with Jews’ behaviour, our first assumption should be that the complaints are unfounded. Only if we have actual evidence of misbehaviour should we address it.<
You just don’t get it. Deep down people have high expectations of ‘G-d’s People’. And it hurts like hell to often see the downright piggishness and obtuseness that many of us have. It’s a DISGRACE of major proportions!!!
You are aware, aren’t you, that almost everyone involved in those crimes is dead or retired, and not involved in the tourist trade?
# 63 – you are just missing point – you have to read the article properly. It does not say that the jidden are coming from abroad to visit Tyrol, but local charedi Jews from Vienna. It all makes sense if you have a family of 7 it is costly to travel etc. so Tyrol is a reasonable option.
I truly believe that this kind of an incident can happen anywhere around the world. We have seen this happen not only in Europe but in Israeli where the charedi community is being discriminated and disrespected on a daily basis. Also I am sure that many similar things like the one in Austria occur often without being reported.
Thats said I dont really see the connection between this incident and Waldheim etc. #63 . You are presenting your case completely out of context.
I did not mean to say, one may not leave a mess….I ment you dont leave bagages of smelli garbage……..I did not not say it justifies not taking in no jews. All i ment is, that we are one very holy nation, and in that sense one expects us to behave this way.
Yes, Switzerland is not Borough Park, Yes they do have different things they are particular about over here- But we are in Galuth and it is our job to leave behind the best impression…so that the Goyim can look back and think: MI Keamcha Yisrael. And not to be thinking: Did i get my moneys worth out over here.
The hotel’s website is http://www.serfaus.to/sonnenhof/ and their e-mail is [email protected]
Their phone number is +43 5476 6231 and their fax is +43 5476 6231 40
Tell them what you think of them, Austrian scum.
How can you be so stupid??? It has nothing to do with anti-semitism. Jews, i.e. Israel citizens are the worst guests ever. There are
hundreds hotels all over the world that don’t accept Jews. They should try to behave. We in our hotel had two large groups 2 months ago.
One from Ireland and andother from Israel. After the secod day the Irish didn’t want to eat in the hotel restaurant at the same time as
Jews. “Very simple, they act like pigs.” That’s the reason we were told.
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Last year there was a group here from Israel who stole from the hotel 7 toilets. We didn’t even know until the customs officer were taken
by surprise finding toilets on the bus.
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Why the hell should we be renting them rooms further on??? To lose all other guests?? To keep buying new toilets after every their
departure.?
Thank you, but NO!!