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Published on: February 10, 2019 11:31 AM
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Left to right, Rabbi Nathaniel Helfgot, Marianne Novak and Rabbi Kenny Schiowitz. (Courtesy of the Jewish Standard)Left to right, Rabbi Nathaniel Helfgot, Marianne Novak and Rabbi Kenny Schiowitz. (Courtesy of the Jewish Standard)

Teaneck, NJ - Pushing back against efforts by liberal Orthodox Jews to allow women to serve as clergy, an Orthodox rabbinical council in northern New Jersey is preparing to oust a member for allowing a woman training for ordination to serve as an intern in his congregation.

The member is Rabbi Nathaniel Helfgot, leader of Congregation Netivot Shalom in Teaneck.

After the Jewish Standard reported in November that Netivot had hired Marianne Novak to be a rabbinic intern, the Rabbinical Council of Bergen County amended its bylaws to push Netivot and Helfgot outside of its communal tent. Novak is studying for ordination at Yeshivat Maharat. When she is ordained, she will take the title either of rabbah or of rabbi.

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The new RCBC bylaws do not allow as members rabbis of congregations that let women hold rabbinic positions or internships that are part of ordination programs.

“Roughly three quarters voted for it,” Rabbi Kenny Schiowitz, the RCBC’s president. Schiowitz leads Congregation Shaare Tefillah in this New York suburb and heads the Talmud department at the Ramaz Upper School in Manhattan. He said he was among the minority that voted not to sanction Helfgot.

“People were concerned that Rabbi Helfgot’s association as part of the RCBC gave his hiring of a female rabbinic intern some sort of endorsement from the RCBC, which was concerning,” Schiowitz said.

The bylaw change does not take effect until September.

“We didn’t want to do anything drastic like have somebody terminate an agreement that was already made,” Schiowitz said.

Ordaining women as clergy, championed by Yeshivat Maharat, Orthodox feminists and the small but growing number of synagogues who have hired the ordainees, has divided a movement whose leaders hew to a strict interpretation of gender roles under their interpretation of halacha, or Jewish law. In 2017, the Orthodox Union banned its affiliated Modern Orthodox synagogues from hiring women clergy. The non-Orthodox Jewish denominations have ordained women as rabbis and cantors for decades.

The Bergen County rabbis’ council met twice to debate its response to the rabbinic intern. Helfgot spoke at both meetings, Schiowitz said.

Helfgot and other Netivot leaders declined to discuss the issue with the Jewish Standard. Helfgot issued a statement both praising the RCBC as an institution and expressing his “disagreement and disappointment” with its decision.

But the decision brought sharp criticism from Yigal Gross, an attorney who lives in Teaneck and is a member of four Orthodox congregations, among them Netivot. Last year he and his wife, Tamar Warburg, sponsored Novak’s predecessor, Dina Brawer, who also studied at Yeshivat Maharat.

Writing in a blog post in The Times of Israel, Gross said that singling out Helfgot for exclusion “seems like the bullying excesses of a mindless mob.”

Gross’s blog post brought into the light a story that Netivot leadership had hoped to keep quiet.

“The piece was not written with input from anyone in Netivot,” Gross told the Jewish Standard. “But the issues that are at stake here transcend the interests of one shul and women rabbis. They pale in comparison to the larger communal issue, which is how our rabbinic leaders treat their positions and treat our community.

“It’s absolutely out of step with the values of our community. They basically took the tactics of communal ostracism and isolation that you reserve for get refusers and sexual deviants and have employed it against people who disagree with their views,” he said. Men who refuse their wives a get, or Jewish divorce, are often ostracized by local rabbinic authorities.

“Never did I imagine that the reaction to the Maharat interns would be this,” Gross said. “I expected scholarship arguing against it. Instead of scholarship, what our community got was cowardice and bully tactics. The community shouldn’t accept it. This is something we see in haredi communities, not in the Modern Orthodox.

“This is not about members of the RCBC having to accept or support the idea of woman rabbis. Nobody ever asked or should ask them to do that.

“Netivot was on the receiving end of what happened this time. Next time it could be a different shul. Once our community accepts that our rabbis can use our communal institutions this way, everyone is fair game.”

Schiowitz said the RCBC was not trying to tell Netivot what to do.

“Netivot is an independent organization and its members have the right to make their own decisions for themselves,” he said. “In the same way, the RCBC is an independent organization and its members have the right to define itself and its bylaws. I believe that our decision was the result of thought-out, transparent and democratic process in which all members had a voice.

“It’s not the same as saying you’re not Orthodox. The RCBC sets its own standards,” Schiowitz said. “The majority of the RCBC members identify with the normative Orthodox institutions like the Rabbinical Council of America and the Orthodox Union. The RCBC is saying we want to be a traditional, normative, consensus-type Orthodox organization. If you want to be a trailblazer and do things that are not normative, that is your choice, but that would be outside of the RCBC.”

What would Schiowitz say to teenage girls who look to Yeshivat Maharat and its students as role models?

“Why would you want to go into the field of being an Orthodox clergy member when the O.U. and the RCA are opposed to it?” he said. “There are a lot of places for women to take important leadership roles in the Orthodox community. In the normative Orthodox community, it will be framed as an educator, scholar-in-residence or ‘yoetzet halacha,’” a woman who answers questions from other women, mainly about intimate matters.

Schiowitz took pains to say that none of this was personal.

“There’s a lot of warmth and respect for Rabbi Helfgot personally,” he said. “The hope would be that he would stay in the RCBC. The question is going to be what they will do next year.”

While Helfgot’s statement did not explicitly say what the synagogue will do when it comes to choosing next year’s intern, it did say that the congregation “has always been a leader and pioneer in expanding the opportunities for women” and gave no indication that he wants to change that.

In his statement, Helfgott praised members of the rabbinical council and Schiowitz in particular as “devoted spiritual leaders.” (Read Helfgott’s full statement here.)

“It is thus, with pain and sadness, that I must express my strong disagreement and disappointment at the RCBC’s recent vote to adopt a bylaw that would restrict the rabbinic authority and autonomy of its members, beginning in Sept. 2019, on learned and committed women serving in spiritual leadership roles or being trained for those roles in the synagogue context,” he wrote. “This is an issue that has been and continues to be in vigorous debate in the Modern-Orthodox community. In the last decade a range of views has been articulated by various rabbis and scholars, both here and in Israel on the fundamental issue. As such different communal models have emerged as to the practical implementation of including learned women in spiritual and Torah leadership. For many decades, the informal policy of the RCBC has been to allow each member to reach the best halakhic [Jewish legal] and public policy decisions for that rabbi’s individual shul and its members on matters of dispute within the Modern-Orthodox community and this decision is a shift away from that norm.”

Added Helfgott: “I was hired by the members of Congregation Netivot Shalom to be its rabbi, religious leader and spiritual guide in matters of halakha and public policy. I have attempted to fill this role, to the best of my ability, in accordance with Torah and halakhic principles as applied in the context of my individual community. Netivot Shalom has always been a leader and pioneer in expanding the opportunities for women to enhance their avodat Hashem [service to God], explore their educational, intellectual and religious heritage and take on meaningful communal and spiritual leadership roles, within the guidelines of halakha in all its majesty and breadth.”



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 Feb 10, 2019 at 12:28 PM Shlomo2 Says:

They have the right to not have their "brand" associated with a practice contrary to their bylaws.
And, given that some say there's halachic legitimacy to what his organization wants, he has the right to do what he feels is in the best interests of his congregants.

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 Feb 10, 2019 at 12:31 PM Anonymous Says:

I applaud the rabbonim of the RCBC for upholding Halacha & our mesorah. An "orthodox shul" who hires a woman "rabbinic intern or rabbi" is not orthodox, perhaps it is conservadox or whatever else one may refer to it as, however it is not orthodox in any stretch of the imagination.

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 Feb 10, 2019 at 12:46 PM Shlomo2 Says:

Reply to #2  
Anonymous Says:

I applaud the rabbonim of the RCBC for upholding Halacha & our mesorah. An "orthodox shul" who hires a woman "rabbinic intern or rabbi" is not orthodox, perhaps it is conservadox or whatever else one may refer to it as, however it is not orthodox in any stretch of the imagination.

Hi.
I was not aware that "Orthodox" is a halachic concept.
I had thought that the Torah analysis is whether something has halachic justification.
And I note that the Teaneck Rabbis never said it does not.
Why would you think they would not cite a halachic source if in fact there was one?

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 Feb 10, 2019 at 01:02 PM Anonymous Says:

To:#2- You and your meshpucha on this site, who agree with your archaic opinions belong in the Middle Ages. This is 2019; perhaps, you should join with the religious police in Saudi Arabia, Isis in Iraq and Syria, and the Taliban in Afghanistan. They hold similar views, vis-a-vis the repression of women.

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 Feb 10, 2019 at 01:25 PM Maven Says:

Men learning torah together with women smells from ניאוף
Having a women Pasken Shalos to men smells from ניאוף
According to the Talmud men and women are supposed to be separate at all times.

No matter what all these modern orthodox rabbis will tell us it does not take away the fact that humans are humans
ALL these rabbis who are pushing the agenda of men learning together with women SMELL from ניאוף. Period!

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 Feb 10, 2019 at 01:55 PM Shlomo2 Says:

Reply to #4  
Maven Says:

Men learning torah together with women smells from ניאוף
Having a women Pasken Shalos to men smells from ניאוף
According to the Talmud men and women are supposed to be separate at all times.

No matter what all these modern orthodox rabbis will tell us it does not take away the fact that humans are humans
ALL these rabbis who are pushing the agenda of men learning together with women SMELL from ניאוף. Period!

And what about women learning with women and being able to discuss their sensitive private situations with them, which is. I suppose what this woman's job would be? (These women are specifically trained in taharas hamishpacha.)

Also ניאוף?

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 Feb 10, 2019 at 02:26 PM Anonymous Says:

This day was destined to arrive. The sludge that emanated from Avi Weiss and his Co-Eruv Rav, was and is a threat to Teaneck and like minded Modern Orthodox communities. It was never a threat to Chassidish or Litvish Chareidi people or their lifestyles.
The OU and RCA had to to make a choice a while ago, and they obviously and correctly chose the Torah.
Yeshiva University on the other hand is waffling. Their President Mr. Berman, changes the subject when questioned directly about LBGQ issues. He apparently is embarrassed of our Torah that makes no bones about referring to such actions and behavior as Abomination. The Catholic church is not embarrassed to be unabashedly anti such behavior. YU, on the other hand tries to equivocate, hoping if they stick their head in the sand, the issue will go away. Their equivocation is in itself an answer. If you asked any true leader with Yiras Shomayim, about accepting such practices, the response would be, that the Torah has already spoken on the issue, where is there room for debate.
Which brings us back to Avi Weiss et al. The mere fact that the Torah has clearly addressed an issue, is not a limitation to him/them. In the name of modernity, all can be whitewashed and updated. But in order to do so, first the concept of the absoluteness of the Torah must be dispensed with. Accordingly, Weiss and his cohorts assure us that the giving of the Torah at Mt. Sinai is not literal but mere allegory. So to "bible stories" of creation and our ancestors are not literal, but lessons of yesteryear. Having pierced the absoluteness of the Torah, it is a small leap to "update" the Torah to be consistent with current political correctness and social norms.
Teaneck is the first true battleground. The Rabbinical counsel as a group have drawn their line in the sand. Cudos to them. They will now face tremendous pressure from within their respective synagogues. Some Congregations will split. Some Rabbis will succumb to the pressure and cave. Discord will reign supreme. When the dust settles, there will be a new order. Modern Orthodoxy, if it survives will be rid of its left flank and the concessions they require. Modern Orthodoxy can then be vibrant and confident in its future.
Open Orthodoxy, now free of it's right flank and the limitations they pose, will become as all other break offs of true yiddishkeit have become. Assimilated, intermarried and generally non relevant.

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 Feb 10, 2019 at 02:28 PM Aron1 Says:

Reply to #3  
Anonymous Says:

To:#2- You and your meshpucha on this site, who agree with your archaic opinions belong in the Middle Ages. This is 2019; perhaps, you should join with the religious police in Saudi Arabia, Isis in Iraq and Syria, and the Taliban in Afghanistan. They hold similar views, vis-a-vis the repression of women.

Yes, you are 100% right. The Torah and the upholding of it laws and mitzvot are very archaic.
So is breathing.

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 Feb 10, 2019 at 02:40 PM rachelw Says:

Reply to #3  
Anonymous Says:

To:#2- You and your meshpucha on this site, who agree with your archaic opinions belong in the Middle Ages. This is 2019; perhaps, you should join with the religious police in Saudi Arabia, Isis in Iraq and Syria, and the Taliban in Afghanistan. They hold similar views, vis-a-vis the repression of women.

The Torah miSinai is timeless; not modifiable or up for modernization. You’re either a believer or you’re not, in which case orthodox does not define you. Non-observant does.

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 Feb 10, 2019 at 02:52 PM The colors of modern orthodox Says:

So much discussion of halacha; so little mention of mesorah. I wonder how Moshe Rabeinu or Rabbi Meir or the Chafetz Chaim would react to this.

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 Feb 10, 2019 at 03:08 PM Anonymous Says:

To Rachel: As a female, you must be a masochist, by accepting the male dominance of Orthodoxy.

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 Feb 10, 2019 at 03:46 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #6  
Anonymous Says:

This day was destined to arrive. The sludge that emanated from Avi Weiss and his Co-Eruv Rav, was and is a threat to Teaneck and like minded Modern Orthodox communities. It was never a threat to Chassidish or Litvish Chareidi people or their lifestyles.
The OU and RCA had to to make a choice a while ago, and they obviously and correctly chose the Torah.
Yeshiva University on the other hand is waffling. Their President Mr. Berman, changes the subject when questioned directly about LBGQ issues. He apparently is embarrassed of our Torah that makes no bones about referring to such actions and behavior as Abomination. The Catholic church is not embarrassed to be unabashedly anti such behavior. YU, on the other hand tries to equivocate, hoping if they stick their head in the sand, the issue will go away. Their equivocation is in itself an answer. If you asked any true leader with Yiras Shomayim, about accepting such practices, the response would be, that the Torah has already spoken on the issue, where is there room for debate.
Which brings us back to Avi Weiss et al. The mere fact that the Torah has clearly addressed an issue, is not a limitation to him/them. In the name of modernity, all can be whitewashed and updated. But in order to do so, first the concept of the absoluteness of the Torah must be dispensed with. Accordingly, Weiss and his cohorts assure us that the giving of the Torah at Mt. Sinai is not literal but mere allegory. So to "bible stories" of creation and our ancestors are not literal, but lessons of yesteryear. Having pierced the absoluteness of the Torah, it is a small leap to "update" the Torah to be consistent with current political correctness and social norms.
Teaneck is the first true battleground. The Rabbinical counsel as a group have drawn their line in the sand. Cudos to them. They will now face tremendous pressure from within their respective synagogues. Some Congregations will split. Some Rabbis will succumb to the pressure and cave. Discord will reign supreme. When the dust settles, there will be a new order. Modern Orthodoxy, if it survives will be rid of its left flank and the concessions they require. Modern Orthodoxy can then be vibrant and confident in its future.
Open Orthodoxy, now free of it's right flank and the limitations they pose, will become as all other break offs of true yiddishkeit have become. Assimilated, intermarried and generally non relevant.

not sure what your point is - way to wordy

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 Feb 10, 2019 at 04:11 PM yossie Says:

there is no such a thing as orthodox and non orthodox
there is one torah given by hashem on har sinai to clall yisroel which incuded torah shebaal peh and all of the mefarshim rishonim and achronim
for centuries hilchos nidah shalos were paskened by dayanim and husbands and wives discreetly asked the shalos
why the need for a rabbah a lady rabbi
there were frummer and smarter women then this "rabba" who tought ladies and were content with being behind the mechitza literraly and figurativley
the torah has not and will never change(check out the ani maamin ) if you say it or perhaps you dont just like you dont say sheloi osani isha because its offensive
!!!

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 Feb 10, 2019 at 06:35 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
Shlomo2 Says:

Hi.
I was not aware that "Orthodox" is a halachic concept.
I had thought that the Torah analysis is whether something has halachic justification.
And I note that the Teaneck Rabbis never said it does not.
Why would you think they would not cite a halachic source if in fact there was one?

Mesora is sometimes more vital than halacha

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 Feb 10, 2019 at 06:35 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #5  
Shlomo2 Says:

And what about women learning with women and being able to discuss their sensitive private situations with them, which is. I suppose what this woman's job would be? (These women are specifically trained in taharas hamishpacha.)

Also ניאוף?

so let her be a kala teacher not a rabbi

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 Feb 10, 2019 at 06:56 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #4  
Maven Says:

Men learning torah together with women smells from ניאוף
Having a women Pasken Shalos to men smells from ניאוף
According to the Talmud men and women are supposed to be separate at all times.

No matter what all these modern orthodox rabbis will tell us it does not take away the fact that humans are humans
ALL these rabbis who are pushing the agenda of men learning together with women SMELL from ניאוף. Period!

that was 100 years ago. No one even the chassidim keep those this days. Do you know a single person in Lakewood or Mosnsey who will not talk to his wife? "Isto hakosuv medaber"

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 Feb 10, 2019 at 07:02 PM yamsar Says:

Reply to #12  
Anonymous Says:

Mesora is sometimes more vital than halacha

It never is. That’s just an excuse for all kinds of rishus. Halacha trumps all.

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 Feb 10, 2019 at 07:03 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #11  
yossie Says:

there is no such a thing as orthodox and non orthodox
there is one torah given by hashem on har sinai to clall yisroel which incuded torah shebaal peh and all of the mefarshim rishonim and achronim
for centuries hilchos nidah shalos were paskened by dayanim and husbands and wives discreetly asked the shalos
why the need for a rabbah a lady rabbi
there were frummer and smarter women then this "rabba" who tought ladies and were content with being behind the mechitza literraly and figurativley
the torah has not and will never change(check out the ani maamin ) if you say it or perhaps you dont just like you dont say sheloi osani isha because its offensive
!!!

The sad part of this if someone does keep the old Mittzvot like Helbrand/Lev Tahor and similar chevre most people call them Taliban. We are clearly forbidden to talk to our wives. No One I know keeps this in the Black Hat community. the problem with todays so called orthodox Black Hats is that anyone to the right or the left is not kosher only their invented shitehs what they like. (Gayveh) Keep the boys in Freezer and create 1000s of single women for life etc. is much worse than a Rabbah or whatever.

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 Feb 10, 2019 at 07:05 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #11  
yossie Says:

there is no such a thing as orthodox and non orthodox
there is one torah given by hashem on har sinai to clall yisroel which incuded torah shebaal peh and all of the mefarshim rishonim and achronim
for centuries hilchos nidah shalos were paskened by dayanim and husbands and wives discreetly asked the shalos
why the need for a rabbah a lady rabbi
there were frummer and smarter women then this "rabba" who tought ladies and were content with being behind the mechitza literraly and figurativley
the torah has not and will never change(check out the ani maamin ) if you say it or perhaps you dont just like you dont say sheloi osani isha because its offensive
!!!

I love this Rabbah business. Only women will be able to solve the Sidduch crises, just like the Govt needed a women (Nancy) to go back to work. By opposing her she or pthers will open their own shuls. Kol Hakavod

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 Feb 10, 2019 at 08:14 PM PaulinSaudi Says:

None of my business.

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 Feb 10, 2019 at 08:27 PM favish Says:

AND this is among many reasons the holy tzaddikim of all generations forbade this 'torah umaddah' because down the road it evolves in more 'maddah' and shed the torah

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 Feb 10, 2019 at 08:31 PM Phineas Says:

Reply to #3  
Anonymous Says:

To:#2- You and your meshpucha on this site, who agree with your archaic opinions belong in the Middle Ages. This is 2019; perhaps, you should join with the religious police in Saudi Arabia, Isis in Iraq and Syria, and the Taliban in Afghanistan. They hold similar views, vis-a-vis the repression of women.

They aren't shutting down Rabbi Helfgott's shul. They are upholding their own standards. There is no apparent bad blood here. Rabbi Helfgott is a caring individual who happens to be quite knowledgeable. I know Rabbi Schiowitz and he doesn't have a mean bone in his body. Rabbi Helfgott's shul was always a bit of an outlier way before Rabbi Helfgott was hired.

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 Feb 10, 2019 at 08:33 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #11  
yossie Says:

there is no such a thing as orthodox and non orthodox
there is one torah given by hashem on har sinai to clall yisroel which incuded torah shebaal peh and all of the mefarshim rishonim and achronim
for centuries hilchos nidah shalos were paskened by dayanim and husbands and wives discreetly asked the shalos
why the need for a rabbah a lady rabbi
there were frummer and smarter women then this "rabba" who tought ladies and were content with being behind the mechitza literraly and figurativley
the torah has not and will never change(check out the ani maamin ) if you say it or perhaps you dont just like you dont say sheloi osani isha because its offensive
!!!

...yes , but these priest dont believe in the 'ani mamin'

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 Feb 11, 2019 at 01:57 AM REALIST Says:

Reply to #10  
Says:

not sure what your point is - way to wordy

It is a very well-written, thought out, to the point comment. Not too wordy at all for those of us with no reading comprehension issues. Kudos to the writer!

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 Feb 11, 2019 at 08:35 AM MyThreeCents Says:

A female Rabbi is not an Orthodox concept. I am a frum woman and I don't feel there is any need at all from women rabbis. There are halachos of women being posul l'eidus etc. I have nothing against rebitzens who are wise and give good counsel, but for a psak halacha, I would never consult a rabbah or a female rabbi. We have a mesorah and I don't think we have a right to change it. Are these rabbahs eventually going to be like the WOW women and want to wear tefilin also and have their own minyan? To me this is reform or conservative dressed up for Purim as Orthodox.

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