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Israel - El Al Flight Attendant Dies After Getting Infected By Measles On A Plane From JFK

Published on: August 13, 2019 10:32 AM
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Israel - A 43-year-old flight attendant for the Israeli national airline El Al has died several months after contracting measles on a transatlantic flight from New York.

She was hospitalized after contracting the infectious disease in late March and placed in an induced coma. She was on a respirator and reportedly had suffered brain damage. A passenger boarded the flight while sick with the virus, The Jerusalem Post reported at the time.

The flight attendant had only received one shot of the measles vaccine instead of the recommended two, according to The Times of Israel.

Israel saw a serious outbreak of measles in 2019 that was pegged to lower than average vaccination rates in the haredi, or ultra-Orthodox, community. Two Israelis — an 18-month-old baby and an 82-year-old woman — have died from the disease.

In late April, more than 250 El Al crew members were vaccinated against the measles after the Health Ministry in Israel ordered all local airlines to inoculate their staffs, especially those who come into contact with travelers. At the time, the Health Ministry also called on Israelis to be fully vaccinated before flying out of the country.

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1

 Aug 13, 2019 at 10:47 AM Anonymous Says:

Anti vaxers let’s hear your twisted spin on this one, let’s see all your so called professors with all the copy paste.

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 Aug 13, 2019 at 10:53 AM Anonymous Says:

Boroch Dayan Haemet.

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 Aug 13, 2019 at 11:20 AM judith Says:

The blood is on antivaxxers hands

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 Aug 13, 2019 at 12:11 PM Normal Says:

I would like to know what the stupid anti-vaxxers think about everyone following their lead and no-one in the world getting vaccinated and millions dying from diseases that have been eradicated.

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 Aug 13, 2019 at 12:18 PM yeaht Says:

4 babies died in Lakewood in one week after getting the vaccines, and nobody made any statements on that. Now one person dies from measles and everyone are so happy on that because someone finally (in their words) DIED from measles which is 1 in 500,000 cases... What a joke

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 Aug 13, 2019 at 12:35 PM NoMan Says:

Reply to #5  
yeaht Says:

4 babies died in Lakewood in one week after getting the vaccines, and nobody made any statements on that. Now one person dies from measles and everyone are so happy on that because someone finally (in their words) DIED from measles which is 1 in 500,000 cases... What a joke

Can you document this claim about the four babies dying?
Something more substantial than "everybody knows it" or "my friend/Rebbi/postman/cleaning woman told me", please.

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 Aug 13, 2019 at 12:40 PM VeyIzMir Says:

Reply to #5  
yeaht Says:

4 babies died in Lakewood in one week after getting the vaccines, and nobody made any statements on that. Now one person dies from measles and everyone are so happy on that because someone finally (in their words) DIED from measles which is 1 in 500,000 cases... What a joke

Again, the stupid anti-vaxxers make claims without a shred of proof. 4 babies died? possibly. From vaccines - not likely.
Unless you can back up your claims with solid proof, I can say anyone in the world that dies today will be from vaccines.

Here is a solid proof that measles is a dangerous disease and we must take prudent precautions against it. This is scientifically proven to be effective and endorsed by all our Gedolim.

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 Aug 13, 2019 at 12:53 PM georgeg Says:

Reply to #5  
yeaht Says:

4 babies died in Lakewood in one week after getting the vaccines, and nobody made any statements on that. Now one person dies from measles and everyone are so happy on that because someone finally (in their words) DIED from measles which is 1 in 500,000 cases... What a joke

It is because of the lies spread by such post as yours that real incidents of concern are ignored.

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 Aug 13, 2019 at 01:07 PM Get the facts straight Says:

Reply to #5  
yeaht Says:

4 babies died in Lakewood in one week after getting the vaccines, and nobody made any statements on that. Now one person dies from measles and everyone are so happy on that because someone finally (in their words) DIED from measles which is 1 in 500,000 cases... What a joke

It was closer to 23 babies, and it was in just 4 days, and it happened last week. in only one section in Lakewood. (all your learning and you can't even count straight?) We must inform the World about the danger of using "non-natural" injections on poor innocent children. We must shlep our new born babies and disrupt Albany every single week until this devastation stops R"L
Also, we have got 2 new frum lady spokespersons, that could with their - grace -
intelligence - and excellent communication skills, speak to reporters on the streets and convince the whole World to stop these dangerous and unnecessary vaccines. May Hashem reward us for our efforts!! Amen
P.S. We also signed on 2 new Rebbes and one Rov, who "until now" were not widely known, but are indeed truly intelligent. Unfortunately we must wait for them to get back from the Schvieyts (Switzerland) before they pick up the pen to sign on.

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 Aug 13, 2019 at 01:08 PM yeaht Says:

In your words, please show us that vaccines are safe? No proof on that either.

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 Aug 13, 2019 at 01:12 PM qazxc Says:

Reply to #5  
yeaht Says:

4 babies died in Lakewood in one week after getting the vaccines, and nobody made any statements on that. Now one person dies from measles and everyone are so happy on that because someone finally (in their words) DIED from measles which is 1 in 500,000 cases... What a joke

"4 babies died in Lakewood in one week after getting the vaccines" - Can you name them or did you hear about them from your sister in law's shaitel macher who happens to be neighbors with a very close friend of the family of a part time secretary in an accounts office down the block from a pediatrician who won't talk about it in public but was heard crying during al chait on yom kippur and why else would he cry if not that he killed four babies with measles immunizations?

Your signature is totally appropriate - What A Joke

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 Aug 13, 2019 at 01:27 PM yeaht Says:

No one is reporting it because they don't want to scare away the people about vaccines, so they shred the proof not to let the so-called "anti-vaxxers" to have their words proven about vaccines. If vaccines were that safe with real scientific evidence, not just some kind of ridiculous studies that have been shown multiple times the inaccuracy of them, so where is that? Where is the solid proof that vaccines are effective?

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 Aug 13, 2019 at 01:36 PM Arielski Says:

Reply to #5  
yeaht Says:

4 babies died in Lakewood in one week after getting the vaccines, and nobody made any statements on that. Now one person dies from measles and everyone are so happy on that because someone finally (in their words) DIED from measles which is 1 in 500,000 cases... What a joke

I searched several Internet search engines and could not find any information about four infant deaths. Then I called a friend in Lakewood who told me that she never heard of such deaths.

It looks like your cleaning woman’s cousin’s husband’s neighbor is wrong.

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 Aug 13, 2019 at 01:37 PM qazxc Says:

Reply to #12  
yeaht Says:

No one is reporting it because they don't want to scare away the people about vaccines, so they shred the proof not to let the so-called "anti-vaxxers" to have their words proven about vaccines. If vaccines were that safe with real scientific evidence, not just some kind of ridiculous studies that have been shown multiple times the inaccuracy of them, so where is that? Where is the solid proof that vaccines are effective?

Better loosen your tinfoil hat a little bit. It seems to be keeping the oxygen from reaching your brain (along with the x-rays coming from the microwave ovens the Trilateral Commission has set up all over to take control of your pet rock).

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 Aug 13, 2019 at 01:43 PM yeaht Says:

First of all, search engines are not the place to look up such reports. They are censoring (You don't believe that either huh?? That was in the news multiple time the last few months). And second, so you're basing your research in just one friend? In my view, that's not called research.

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 Aug 13, 2019 at 02:08 PM VeyIzMir Says:

Reply to #10  
yeaht Says:

In your words, please show us that vaccines are safe? No proof on that either.

You're obviously living in the dark ages of you ask this question.

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 Aug 13, 2019 at 02:13 PM yeaht Says:

Reply to #9  
Get the facts straight Says:

It was closer to 23 babies, and it was in just 4 days, and it happened last week. in only one section in Lakewood. (all your learning and you can't even count straight?) We must inform the World about the danger of using "non-natural" injections on poor innocent children. We must shlep our new born babies and disrupt Albany every single week until this devastation stops R"L
Also, we have got 2 new frum lady spokespersons, that could with their - grace -
intelligence - and excellent communication skills, speak to reporters on the streets and convince the whole World to stop these dangerous and unnecessary vaccines. May Hashem reward us for our efforts!! Amen
P.S. We also signed on 2 new Rebbes and one Rov, who "until now" were not widely known, but are indeed truly intelligent. Unfortunately we must wait for them to get back from the Schvieyts (Switzerland) before they pick up the pen to sign on.

It is so scary, and I'm shivering, measles can be so dangerous, let me run and take the MMR now. Wow, there's a massive line of parents waiting at the health center. It is lining up to the road on the street.
All babies are crying, 1000's of people are dying on the streets. People are getting cancer because of measles. Let's run and take shelters. It is war...

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 Aug 13, 2019 at 02:15 PM yeaht Says:

Reply to #16  
VeyIzMir Says:

You're obviously living in the dark ages of you ask this question.

So that literally answered all my questions and concerns. Wow, what a gemura kup!

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 Aug 13, 2019 at 02:17 PM yeaht Says:

Reply to #14  
qazxc Says:

Better loosen your tinfoil hat a little bit. It seems to be keeping the oxygen from reaching your brain (along with the x-rays coming from the microwave ovens the Trilateral Commission has set up all over to take control of your pet rock).

And yet, I am still alive... Thank god!

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 Aug 13, 2019 at 02:37 PM yaakov doe Says:

Reply to #9  
Get the facts straight Says:

It was closer to 23 babies, and it was in just 4 days, and it happened last week. in only one section in Lakewood. (all your learning and you can't even count straight?) We must inform the World about the danger of using "non-natural" injections on poor innocent children. We must shlep our new born babies and disrupt Albany every single week until this devastation stops R"L
Also, we have got 2 new frum lady spokespersons, that could with their - grace -
intelligence - and excellent communication skills, speak to reporters on the streets and convince the whole World to stop these dangerous and unnecessary vaccines. May Hashem reward us for our efforts!! Amen
P.S. We also signed on 2 new Rebbes and one Rov, who "until now" were not widely known, but are indeed truly intelligent. Unfortunately we must wait for them to get back from the Schvieyts (Switzerland) before they pick up the pen to sign on.

Are you telling us that 23 families in Lakewood sat shiva for babies last week and no one is aware of this?
Can any readers in Lakewood confirm children's deaths after vaccination recently?
Any thoughts on the verified deaths from measles?

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 Aug 13, 2019 at 02:39 PM qazxc Says:

Reply to #15  
yeaht Says:

First of all, search engines are not the place to look up such reports. They are censoring (You don't believe that either huh?? That was in the news multiple time the last few months). And second, so you're basing your research in just one friend? In my view, that's not called research.

To all you Second Amendment loyalists against background checks and red flag laws - Do you really want people like this to have free access to fire arms?? People like this shouldn't be allowed to own power tools or pesticides!!

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 Aug 13, 2019 at 02:39 PM Ptcha Says:

Reply to #12  
yeaht Says:

No one is reporting it because they don't want to scare away the people about vaccines, so they shred the proof not to let the so-called "anti-vaxxers" to have their words proven about vaccines. If vaccines were that safe with real scientific evidence, not just some kind of ridiculous studies that have been shown multiple times the inaccuracy of them, so where is that? Where is the solid proof that vaccines are effective?

There’s no proof that vaccines are safe. Or any other shots for that matter. You’re so brave for saying it as it is - a real Nachshon. Won’t you take the leap and put your real name to your words of wisdom so others will follow and we’ll be able to create a live registry of people to stay far away from.
P.S. A little ironic when these geniuses fall I’ll they IMMEDIATELY call Hatzalah to be taken to the nasty wicked murderous hospitals! You trust the shots you get then? Huh? You fake, phoney fraud.

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 Aug 13, 2019 at 02:44 PM Cixelsyd_Wnosanoy Says:

Reply to #6  
NoMan Says:

Can you document this claim about the four babies dying?
Something more substantial than "everybody knows it" or "my friend/Rebbi/postman/cleaning woman told me", please.

Well said!

24

 Aug 13, 2019 at 02:49 PM Cixelsyd_Wnosanoy Says:

Reply to #9  
Get the facts straight Says:

It was closer to 23 babies, and it was in just 4 days, and it happened last week. in only one section in Lakewood. (all your learning and you can't even count straight?) We must inform the World about the danger of using "non-natural" injections on poor innocent children. We must shlep our new born babies and disrupt Albany every single week until this devastation stops R"L
Also, we have got 2 new frum lady spokespersons, that could with their - grace -
intelligence - and excellent communication skills, speak to reporters on the streets and convince the whole World to stop these dangerous and unnecessary vaccines. May Hashem reward us for our efforts!! Amen
P.S. We also signed on 2 new Rebbes and one Rov, who "until now" were not widely known, but are indeed truly intelligent. Unfortunately we must wait for them to get back from the Schvieyts (Switzerland) before they pick up the pen to sign on.

So...We are to believe that 23 babies died in Lakewood over 4 days last week...and that some sort of conspiracy kept the fact out of the news. Really!

If you're not consciously spreading a malicious, unfounded falsehood, you're rather naive and foolish to believe it were even possible.

25

 Aug 13, 2019 at 02:50 PM yeaht Says:

Reply to #21  
qazxc Says:

To all you Second Amendment loyalists against background checks and red flag laws - Do you really want people like this to have free access to fire arms?? People like this shouldn't be allowed to own power tools or pesticides!!

So by saying this, who does the Chilul Hashem?

26

 Aug 13, 2019 at 02:54 PM qazxc Says:

Reply to #19  
yeaht Says:

And yet, I am still alive... Thank god!

Only from the neck on down, apparently.

27

 Aug 13, 2019 at 02:59 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #10  
yeaht Says:

In your words, please show us that vaccines are safe? No proof on that either.

Vaccines are being tested on live subjects on a daily basis, millions keep on being vaccinated with minimal to none side effects, so that's a pretty big study in my book.

You anti vaxxers should get it in to your thick skulls that the people who have the biggest concern to make sure that vaccines are safe is the BIG PHARMA, they will be sued through their teeth I ANYONE can PROOF in civil court that they got hurt, do you think they would take a chance like that in today's liberal jury trials ?

28

 Aug 13, 2019 at 03:22 PM yeaht Says:

Reply to #26  
qazxc Says:

Only from the neck on down, apparently.

Yeah, and I'm still typing as well. B"H

29

 Aug 13, 2019 at 03:32 PM curious Says:

Reply to #9  
Get the facts straight Says:

It was closer to 23 babies, and it was in just 4 days, and it happened last week. in only one section in Lakewood. (all your learning and you can't even count straight?) We must inform the World about the danger of using "non-natural" injections on poor innocent children. We must shlep our new born babies and disrupt Albany every single week until this devastation stops R"L
Also, we have got 2 new frum lady spokespersons, that could with their - grace -
intelligence - and excellent communication skills, speak to reporters on the streets and convince the whole World to stop these dangerous and unnecessary vaccines. May Hashem reward us for our efforts!! Amen
P.S. We also signed on 2 new Rebbes and one Rov, who "until now" were not widely known, but are indeed truly intelligent. Unfortunately we must wait for them to get back from the Schvieyts (Switzerland) before they pick up the pen to sign on.

Roidef!

30

 Aug 13, 2019 at 03:33 PM Anonymous Says:

According to the anti-vaccine crowd, nobody should have been vaccinated by the Salk and Sabin vaccines, which eradicated polio in the developed world; also, according to them, nobody should have been vaccinated for smallpox, which also eliminated that disease. What is the matter with them????

31

 Aug 13, 2019 at 03:48 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #27  
Anonymous Says:

Vaccines are being tested on live subjects on a daily basis, millions keep on being vaccinated with minimal to none side effects, so that's a pretty big study in my book.

You anti vaxxers should get it in to your thick skulls that the people who have the biggest concern to make sure that vaccines are safe is the BIG PHARMA, they will be sued through their teeth I ANYONE can PROOF in civil court that they got hurt, do you think they would take a chance like that in today's liberal jury trials ?

So all you're saying is that we have all been in one big experiment? And we didn't even know we're being injected with chemicals that haven't been proven to be safe? Are you literally out of your mind on that?

I'm not sure if you have been in a box until now or you are just ignoring the fact that the government paid billions for vaccine-injured cases the last years. And that BIG PHARMA doesn't have any liabilities for vaccine injuries by the US law.

32

 Aug 13, 2019 at 03:52 PM yeaht Says:

Reply to #30  
Anonymous Says:

According to the anti-vaccine crowd, nobody should have been vaccinated by the Salk and Sabin vaccines, which eradicated polio in the developed world; also, according to them, nobody should have been vaccinated for smallpox, which also eliminated that disease. What is the matter with them????

And also eliminated humanity and free of choice all along, what is wrong with them???

33

 Aug 13, 2019 at 03:52 PM yeaht Says:

Reply to #29  
curious Says:

Roidef!

...shulem

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 Aug 13, 2019 at 03:53 PM VeyIzMir Says:

Reply to #18  
yeaht Says:

So that literally answered all my questions and concerns. Wow, what a gemura kup!

The reason I am not bringing proof is because I have reams of scientific evidence and it is too long to post here. Besides that, you won't listen to anything anyway. If G-D or moshe rabbeinu would tell you it's safe, you would "Shpar" with that as well.

Talk about a Gemara Kup!

35

 Aug 13, 2019 at 03:55 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

Anti vaxers let’s hear your twisted spin on this one, let’s see all your so called professors with all the copy paste.

I am not anti vaxx but my daughter knows the family and the story is not being fully reported.

Because she was vaccinated, the hospital did not consider that she could possibly have measles so they gave her aspirin which should NEVER be given with the measles.

This is a terrible tragedy, B"DH.

36

 Aug 13, 2019 at 03:58 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #30  
Anonymous Says:

According to the anti-vaccine crowd, nobody should have been vaccinated by the Salk and Sabin vaccines, which eradicated polio in the developed world; also, according to them, nobody should have been vaccinated for smallpox, which also eliminated that disease. What is the matter with them????

The problem with them Nebech is that they're mind is poisoned with the conception that Big Pharma is the all-mighty company controlling our daily lives. It is Big Pharma that fabricated vaccines in order to make money.

This wacko theory is so deep-rooted, that otherwise intelligent people will swear by it and laugh at anyone (including our own Rabbis) who counters this far-fetched conspiracy theory.

37

 Aug 13, 2019 at 03:59 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #29  
curious Says:

Roidef!

Relax. He is on your side. It was written with sarcasm.

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 Aug 13, 2019 at 04:08 PM yeaht Says:

Reply to #34  
VeyIzMir Says:

The reason I am not bringing proof is because I have reams of scientific evidence and it is too long to post here. Besides that, you won't listen to anything anyway. If G-D or moshe rabbeinu would tell you it's safe, you would "Shpar" with that as well.

Talk about a Gemara Kup!

I just need real scientific basis references, not the full report here. If you can post the initial of the sites here would be good enough.
Moshe Rabeinu wasn't sold by money, and it was based on the real truth. If you bring me the truth, I wouldn't argue anymore.

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 Aug 13, 2019 at 04:20 PM yeaht Says:

Reply to #36  
Anonymous Says:

The problem with them Nebech is that they're mind is poisoned with the conception that Big Pharma is the all-mighty company controlling our daily lives. It is Big Pharma that fabricated vaccines in order to make money.

This wacko theory is so deep-rooted, that otherwise intelligent people will swear by it and laugh at anyone (including our own Rabbis) who counters this far-fetched conspiracy theory.

In your words, you had the same theory about the "anti-vaxxers" being paid by some nutrition companies. Isn't that a conspiracy theory you've come up with to spank the antis?

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 Aug 13, 2019 at 04:39 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #31  
Anonymous Says:

So all you're saying is that we have all been in one big experiment? And we didn't even know we're being injected with chemicals that haven't been proven to be safe? Are you literally out of your mind on that?

I'm not sure if you have been in a box until now or you are just ignoring the fact that the government paid billions for vaccine-injured cases the last years. And that BIG PHARMA doesn't have any liabilities for vaccine injuries by the US law.

No, what I'm saying is that vaccines keepson proofing its effectiveness every day.
So you believe that the government is willing to pay billions in settlements and still support the greedy Big Pharma? Just checkin your logic...

41

 Aug 13, 2019 at 04:41 PM qazxc Says:

Reply to #38  
yeaht Says:

I just need real scientific basis references, not the full report here. If you can post the initial of the sites here would be good enough.
Moshe Rabeinu wasn't sold by money, and it was based on the real truth. If you bring me the truth, I wouldn't argue anymore.

What would you do with a scientific paper? You're not a scientist.

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 Aug 13, 2019 at 04:43 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #31  
Anonymous Says:

So all you're saying is that we have all been in one big experiment? And we didn't even know we're being injected with chemicals that haven't been proven to be safe? Are you literally out of your mind on that?

I'm not sure if you have been in a box until now or you are just ignoring the fact that the government paid billions for vaccine-injured cases the last years. And that BIG PHARMA doesn't have any liabilities for vaccine injuries by the US law.

People who believe that health food and remedies can cure everything from runny noses to cancer, are the same people who believe that vaccines and all those SCARY chemicals are the cause of all illnesses, so if you try to debate this issue with them be my guest.

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 Aug 13, 2019 at 04:52 PM yeaht Says:

Reply to #40  
Anonymous Says:

No, what I'm saying is that vaccines keepson proofing its effectiveness every day.
So you believe that the government is willing to pay billions in settlements and still support the greedy Big Pharma? Just checkin your logic...

And it keeps on proving the danger and injuries every day...
That's why there is a petition to roll back the law that was made in 1986. And that's why the government (CDC) still fights for the unproven scientific data.

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 Aug 13, 2019 at 04:55 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #40  
Anonymous Says:

No, what I'm saying is that vaccines keepson proofing its effectiveness every day.
So you believe that the government is willing to pay billions in settlements and still support the greedy Big Pharma? Just checkin your logic...

On the contrary, people who believe in medical are also known not to believe in healthy living like healthy food and remedies.

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 Aug 13, 2019 at 04:57 PM yeaht Says:

Reply to #41  
qazxc Says:

What would you do with a scientific paper? You're not a scientist.

Not worth the reply... should be.
Just so that you know, I am a scientist thats my job.

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 Aug 13, 2019 at 05:00 PM qazxc Says:

Reply to #25  
yeaht Says:

So by saying this, who does the Chilul Hashem?

The only instances of chillul shaim shomayim I've seen regarding vaccinations were those mental midget, illiterate Desperate Housewives of WillyB offering their foolish opinions publicly and that charlatan Handler doing what he does best.

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 Aug 13, 2019 at 05:07 PM VeyIzMir Says:

Reply to #38  
yeaht Says:

I just need real scientific basis references, not the full report here. If you can post the initial of the sites here would be good enough.
Moshe Rabeinu wasn't sold by money, and it was based on the real truth. If you bring me the truth, I wouldn't argue anymore.

The truth is staring right in front of you. Ask you local doctor. Ask your local Rabbi.

Again and again they are telling you the same message. Vaccines are safe and it saves lives!

If you don't believe them, then when you are injured, make sure to stay away from the evil Hatzalah members that will bring you to those evil hospitals and inject you with evil stuff!

I don't know why you don't believe you doctors and Rabbis.

ASK THEM

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 Aug 13, 2019 at 05:09 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #41  
qazxc Says:

What would you do with a scientific paper? You're not a scientist.

Don't need to be a scientist to read a scientific paper on any subject. You need a bit of intelligence, something you are obviously sorely lacking.

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 Aug 13, 2019 at 05:12 PM yeaht Says:

Reply to #47  
VeyIzMir Says:

The truth is staring right in front of you. Ask you local doctor. Ask your local Rabbi.

Again and again they are telling you the same message. Vaccines are safe and it saves lives!

If you don't believe them, then when you are injured, make sure to stay away from the evil Hatzalah members that will bring you to those evil hospitals and inject you with evil stuff!

I don't know why you don't believe you doctors and Rabbis.

ASK THEM

I was asking about resources, and that's all you have to say... Okay, now everything is clear and understandable.

Thumbs up on that

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 Aug 13, 2019 at 05:13 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #46  
qazxc Says:

The only instances of chillul shaim shomayim I've seen regarding vaccinations were those mental midget, illiterate Desperate Housewives of WillyB offering their foolish opinions publicly and that charlatan Handler doing what he does best.

I must say, you're right on that Chillul Hashem the ladies did, that was not appropriate and unrealistic.

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 Aug 13, 2019 at 05:18 PM ohvei Says:

Reply to #35  
Anonymous Says:

I am not anti vaxx but my daughter knows the family and the story is not being fully reported.

Because she was vaccinated, the hospital did not consider that she could possibly have measles so they gave her aspirin which should NEVER be given with the measles.

This is a terrible tragedy, B"DH.

Actually the story was different
The hospital poisoned her in order to be able to prove that you have to vaccinate.
We all have proof for that, the 4 dead babies came to me in my dream and they confirmed this version..

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 Aug 13, 2019 at 05:45 PM Anonymous Says:

The anti-vax garbage started with the parents of 'autistic' children. Until now no one had any idea what caused 'autism' so they blamed vaccines, which have irrefutably saved hundreds of millions of lives. Recent studies point to the lack of certain beneficial bacteria in the gut of 'autistic' fetuses as a probable cause. Look it up. And now anyone with a stutter is called 'spectrum syndrome' by the same parents looking to make a buck.

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 Aug 13, 2019 at 05:50 PM Anonymous Says:

Who knows the definition of sinas chinam?
Who knows the definition of ahavas yisrael?
So much hate 2 days after tisha b'av...

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 Aug 13, 2019 at 05:57 PM Anonymous Says:

Who knows the definition of sinas chinam?
Who knows the definition of ahavas yisrael?
So much hate 2 days after tisha b'av...

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 Aug 13, 2019 at 06:28 PM qazxc Says:

Reply to #45  
yeaht Says:

Not worth the reply... should be.
Just so that you know, I am a scientist thats my job.

Please warn me before you write something so funny. I almost spit out my coffee all over my patient while I was doing brain surgery.

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 Aug 13, 2019 at 06:32 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #47  
VeyIzMir Says:

The truth is staring right in front of you. Ask you local doctor. Ask your local Rabbi.

Again and again they are telling you the same message. Vaccines are safe and it saves lives!

If you don't believe them, then when you are injured, make sure to stay away from the evil Hatzalah members that will bring you to those evil hospitals and inject you with evil stuff!

I don't know why you don't believe you doctors and Rabbis.

ASK THEM

My doctor IS a rabbi and trust him over the tenth grade drop out yentas on Lee Avenue. Except for a good kokosh recipe.

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 Aug 13, 2019 at 06:34 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #48  
Anonymous Says:

Don't need to be a scientist to read a scientific paper on any subject. You need a bit of intelligence, something you are obviously sorely lacking.

I'm smart enough to know I am not a scientist, the yentas on Lee Avenue aren't doctors and I'm old enough to remember the polio victims nebach who suffered before the vaccines were invented.

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 Aug 13, 2019 at 06:37 PM qazxc Says:

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Anonymous Says:

Who knows the definition of sinas chinam?
Who knows the definition of ahavas yisrael?
So much hate 2 days after tisha b'av...

I can't define it but I recognize anti-vaxx propaganda as a symptom of hating yiddisher kinder so much one wants them to suffer and die from diseases that can be prevented by perfectly safe vaccines.

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 Aug 13, 2019 at 11:45 PM Anonymous Says:

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qazxc Says:

I can't define it but I recognize anti-vaxx propaganda as a symptom of hating yiddisher kinder so much one wants them to suffer and die from diseases that can be prevented by perfectly safe vaccines.

Where is the dan l'kaf zchus? Why must the assumption be that if they choose to not vaccinate their children they for sure hate their own children and want them to die? I can assure you after having spoken to many parents vaxxers and unvaxxers alike, the motivation is always about protecting their children.
Please don't spread hate... it won't change anyone's mind.
It just adds fuel to the fire.

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 Aug 14, 2019 at 01:02 AM qazxc Says:

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Anonymous Says:

Where is the dan l'kaf zchus? Why must the assumption be that if they choose to not vaccinate their children they for sure hate their own children and want them to die? I can assure you after having spoken to many parents vaxxers and unvaxxers alike, the motivation is always about protecting their children.
Please don't spread hate... it won't change anyone's mind.
It just adds fuel to the fire.

The only fire about which these pro-disease rotzchim should concern themselves is the one in which they will burn for encouraging pain, suffering and death in klal yisroel.

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 Aug 14, 2019 at 07:23 AM Melech Says:

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Anonymous Says:

I'm smart enough to know I am not a scientist, the yentas on Lee Avenue aren't doctors and I'm old enough to remember the polio victims nebach who suffered before the vaccines were invented.

I also remember the polio epidemics of the 1950's, when children had to be placed in iron lungs. We were all relieved when the news came in 1954, that Dr. Jonas Salk had discovered an effective vaccine to combat that scourge. The first mass vaccination in the USA against polio, started in 1955. I received my vaccine in 1956. Today, polio has been all but eradicated; it is only prevalent in some third world countries, where people don't get vaccinated. A few years after Dr. Jonas Salk's vaccine, Dr. Albert Sabin perfected another polio vaccine. They were two Yiddisha mentches, who saved the lives of millions of children around the world! What do the anti-vaccine crowd, as well as some on this site, have to say to the above? I'm waiting for your scholarly responses!

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 Aug 14, 2019 at 10:16 AM yeaht Says:

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qazxc Says:

Please warn me before you write something so funny. I almost spit out my coffee all over my patient while I was doing brain surgery.

I hope you got a good laugh as well when that happened..

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 Aug 14, 2019 at 10:49 AM Yosef Says:

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qazxc Says:

The only fire about which these pro-disease rotzchim should concern themselves is the one in which they will burn for encouraging pain, suffering and death in klal yisroel.

The hate which you spread does not help the situation. Zechusim is what protects Klal Yisrael. There is no zchus in what you are doing.
Love for another yid ahavas chinam brings zchusim to Klal Yisrael.
People have legitimate concerns. Calling them hateful names doesn't convince them of your position. What it does do is convinces them that you dont have a strong argument.
Ahavas Yisrael goes a long way..... try it sometime.

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 Aug 14, 2019 at 12:15 PM qazxc Says:

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Yosef Says:

The hate which you spread does not help the situation. Zechusim is what protects Klal Yisrael. There is no zchus in what you are doing.
Love for another yid ahavas chinam brings zchusim to Klal Yisrael.
People have legitimate concerns. Calling them hateful names doesn't convince them of your position. What it does do is convinces them that you dont have a strong argument.
Ahavas Yisrael goes a long way..... try it sometime.

Defending those who wish to spread disease among klal yisrael (or any nation, for that matter) is no mitsvah. Would you be don lkaf zechus if your neighbor threw wild parties and encouraged his drunk guests to drag race in your kids' school yard during recess?

Save your ahavas yisroel talking point for where it belongs. Ahavas yisrael in this case dictates that we warn every parent that there are poorly educated lunatics out claiming to be scientists and discouraging the protection of our children.

The Torah commands us to be diligent about our health using physical means and gives license to physicians, not bais yaakov tenth grade drop out yentas, to treat the sick.

Not one rosh yeshiva, dayan, rav, admore or shomer torah umitsvos pediatrician of any consequence is against vaccinations yet you assume that these know-nothing flat-earthers have more ahavas yisroel than all of them combined.

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 Aug 14, 2019 at 12:47 PM Anonymous Says:

Don't use non-natural injections on your poor innocent little baby! Use the only natural injection there is: snakebite.

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 Aug 14, 2019 at 12:54 PM Yosef Says:

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qazxc Says:

Defending those who wish to spread disease among klal yisrael (or any nation, for that matter) is no mitsvah. Would you be don lkaf zechus if your neighbor threw wild parties and encouraged his drunk guests to drag race in your kids' school yard during recess?

Save your ahavas yisroel talking point for where it belongs. Ahavas yisrael in this case dictates that we warn every parent that there are poorly educated lunatics out claiming to be scientists and discouraging the protection of our children.

The Torah commands us to be diligent about our health using physical means and gives license to physicians, not bais yaakov tenth grade drop out yentas, to treat the sick.

Not one rosh yeshiva, dayan, rav, admore or shomer torah umitsvos pediatrician of any consequence is against vaccinations yet you assume that these know-nothing flat-earthers have more ahavas yisroel than all of them combined.

Being dan l'kaf zchus means to search for a reason why the decision they made might have been done for a legitimate reason. Not stating the reason why you think they are not deserving of being dan l'kaf zchus. I can assure you that their reasoning is not to spread disease and kill others. Have a conversation with them and really listen instead of shooting your arrow and then drawing a bullseye around it.
Contrary to what you may believe. There are numerous rabbonim, roshei yeshivos, and shomer torah umitzvos pediatrician some of who have concerns and questions and some who are outright against vaccines. You seem very sire to say that there are not a single one.

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 Aug 14, 2019 at 01:09 PM Anonymous Says:

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Yosef Says:

Being dan l'kaf zchus means to search for a reason why the decision they made might have been done for a legitimate reason. Not stating the reason why you think they are not deserving of being dan l'kaf zchus. I can assure you that their reasoning is not to spread disease and kill others. Have a conversation with them and really listen instead of shooting your arrow and then drawing a bullseye around it.
Contrary to what you may believe. There are numerous rabbonim, roshei yeshivos, and shomer torah umitzvos pediatrician some of who have concerns and questions and some who are outright against vaccines. You seem very sire to say that there are not a single one.

"Rabbonim" who are antivaxx are like rabbonim who are child molesters. They should lose their position and go to jail for the harm they do to children.

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 Aug 14, 2019 at 01:34 PM qazxc Says:

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Yosef Says:

Being dan l'kaf zchus means to search for a reason why the decision they made might have been done for a legitimate reason. Not stating the reason why you think they are not deserving of being dan l'kaf zchus. I can assure you that their reasoning is not to spread disease and kill others. Have a conversation with them and really listen instead of shooting your arrow and then drawing a bullseye around it.
Contrary to what you may believe. There are numerous rabbonim, roshei yeshivos, and shomer torah umitzvos pediatrician some of who have concerns and questions and some who are outright against vaccines. You seem very sire to say that there are not a single one.

1) Intentions do not matter. Pain is pain, suffering is suffering and dead is dead. I could not possibly care less about the intentions of the people spreading diseases. They have been informed of the truth by (frum) experts and by hundreds of rabbonim and admorim. The reason they choose to ignore reality and to walk around spread illness is irrelevant. Their actions are premeditated.

2) I am not the least bit interested in convincing the uneducated yentas of anything. I'm only interested in warning other potential victims.

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 Aug 14, 2019 at 02:18 PM Yosef Says:

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qazxc Says:

1) Intentions do not matter. Pain is pain, suffering is suffering and dead is dead. I could not possibly care less about the intentions of the people spreading diseases. They have been informed of the truth by (frum) experts and by hundreds of rabbonim and admorim. The reason they choose to ignore reality and to walk around spread illness is irrelevant. Their actions are premeditated.

2) I am not the least bit interested in convincing the uneducated yentas of anything. I'm only interested in warning other potential victims.

The rabbonim who have done a little bit of listening to the other side all agree that there are at the very least serious concerns regarding the safety and efficacy of the over 50 vaccine that are on the CDC schedule. Some have gone so far as to oppose them completely.
To demonize people who have legitimate concerns without responding the the actual issue is doing a disservice to your agenda. Additionally, not allowing the other party a chance to present their position is antithetical to the Torah's teachings.
Using the majority as a ways to bypass due process is wrong. Throughout Jewish history there have been many situations in which the majority was clearly wrong. To name a few Meraglim, chet ha'egel, Mordechai hatzaddik, R' Yonason Ebeshitz, the holy Ramchal (how many of his sefarim we don't have today because they were confiscated and destroyed), even the most wise physician of all time the Rambam. In their time I'm sure there were people yelling strip them of their position.
As hard as it is for you to believe this there is a chance that you might be wrong. Just be careful what you say about others.

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 Aug 14, 2019 at 03:40 PM qazxc Says:

Totally not interested in the opinion of an anonymous flat-earther vs the opinion of every doctor and every rosh yeshiva on record.

The road to Hell is paved with good intentions. I wish all the pro-disease lunatics an enjoyable ride.

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 Aug 14, 2019 at 04:04 PM Yosef Says:

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qazxc Says:

Totally not interested in the opinion of an anonymous flat-earther vs the opinion of every doctor and every rosh yeshiva on record.

The road to Hell is paved with good intentions. I wish all the pro-disease lunatics an enjoyable ride.

For the record I do not believe that the earth is flat.
What I did do is listen to the arguments made by some that very strongly believe that the earth is flat. While some points made by them are strong. They have not presented strong enough evidence to convince me.
Unlike you who assumes you know everyone else's reasoning and don't need to listen or respond to them.
You have not made one point other than all rabbonim, all roshei yeshivos, all doctors hold such and such so it must be true.
There are pros and cons to everything in life. And this is no different. To say that there are no negatives is foolish.

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 Aug 14, 2019 at 05:40 PM qazxc Says:

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Yosef Says:

For the record I do not believe that the earth is flat.
What I did do is listen to the arguments made by some that very strongly believe that the earth is flat. While some points made by them are strong. They have not presented strong enough evidence to convince me.
Unlike you who assumes you know everyone else's reasoning and don't need to listen or respond to them.
You have not made one point other than all rabbonim, all roshei yeshivos, all doctors hold such and such so it must be true.
There are pros and cons to everything in life. And this is no different. To say that there are no negatives is foolish.

You really don't get it, do you? I don't give a _______ _______ about your reasoning for wanting to expose children and to life-threatening diseases. Halachah would require me to eat chazer in middle of musaf yom kippur if my doctor so instructed me while based on your opinion I couldn't take a few sips of water before shacharis so why should I be remotely interested in your medical opinions?

Believe what ever you want, get as sick as you please, expose your family to disease and suffering to your heart's content. Go drink poison or throw yourself off the Golden Gate Bridge for all I care. Just stay away from the rest of us and stop trying to convince others that you know two cents worth about medical or any other science.

Far be it from me to tell an accredited scientist like you not to experiment on your offspring. Why else would Gd give offspring to someone like you? If he wanted your children to grow up healthy, not to mention normal, He would have given them to someone else.

Just keep you and them away from my grandchildren until you get vaccinated.

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 Aug 14, 2019 at 06:59 PM Anonymous Says:

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qazxc Says:

You really don't get it, do you? I don't give a _______ _______ about your reasoning for wanting to expose children and to life-threatening diseases. Halachah would require me to eat chazer in middle of musaf yom kippur if my doctor so instructed me while based on your opinion I couldn't take a few sips of water before shacharis so why should I be remotely interested in your medical opinions?

Believe what ever you want, get as sick as you please, expose your family to disease and suffering to your heart's content. Go drink poison or throw yourself off the Golden Gate Bridge for all I care. Just stay away from the rest of us and stop trying to convince others that you know two cents worth about medical or any other science.

Far be it from me to tell an accredited scientist like you not to experiment on your offspring. Why else would Gd give offspring to someone like you? If he wanted your children to grow up healthy, not to mention normal, He would have given them to someone else.

Just keep you and them away from my grandchildren until you get vaccinated.

Have you received the hepatitis b vaccine? Since you say that you have grandchildren I will assume that you are of the age where it was not mandated and therefore the majority of your age group did not receive the vaccine.
Do you not pose just as much of a risk as an unvaccinated child?
What about all the other vaccines that children today get loaded up on nowadays. Are you fully up to date on those?
Stop spreading hate. It's more contagious than any disease that you haven't been vaccinated against.

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 Aug 14, 2019 at 08:28 PM qazxc Says:

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Anonymous Says:

Have you received the hepatitis b vaccine? Since you say that you have grandchildren I will assume that you are of the age where it was not mandated and therefore the majority of your age group did not receive the vaccine.
Do you not pose just as much of a risk as an unvaccinated child?
What about all the other vaccines that children today get loaded up on nowadays. Are you fully up to date on those?
Stop spreading hate. It's more contagious than any disease that you haven't been vaccinated against.

Yes, I have had the Hep B vaccine because my line of work at one time brought me into close contact with a high risk population in a setting which entailed a risk of exposure to blood and other bodily fluids, but that is irrelevant. Unlike measles, hep B is not transmitted by airborne germs.

And yes, I'm about as up to date on vaccines as possible. Flu, tetanus, measles, anything available.

Stop spreading ignorance. It is contagious and apparently it becomes hereditary after a while too.

Are you people really foolish enough to believe that frum pediatricians who dedicate years of their lives training to protect our children are in the pocket of the conspiratorial "BIG PHARMA"? Or are you all so full of hubris that you really believe you know better than every frum pediatrician?

Believe me, I don't hate you people. I don't even pity you, because your ignorance is willful.

The ones I pity are your children.

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