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New York - PR Guru Friedlander Reports Massive non-Orthodox Donor Backlash Over Jerusalem Charedi Riots

Published on: July 17, 2009 10:05 AM
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The riots New York - The Charedi riots of the last several weeks in Jerusalem have caused and will continue to cause irreversible damage to the Charedi community on a massive scale, according to Charedi public relations consultant Ezra Friedlander.

The founder of Brooklyn’s Friedlander Group, Friedlander has extensive contacts in both the Charedi and non-Charedi community—and says that non-Charedi donors are divesting from Charedi-run organizations because of the riots.

“It is a fact that … humanitarian and chesed organizations founded by and under Charedi management that serve all regardless of affiliation have begun to suffer from a pullback of support from their non-Charedi base of affluent Jewish philanthropists because of the distributing images emanating from Jerusalem,” said Friedlander in an exclusive interview with VIN News.
Charedim men protest and burn garbage cans as they voice their uproar for the incarceration of an ultra orthodox woman who is acused of abusing her three year old son and starving him to the point of malnutrition,  Photo by nati shohat / Flash90
“It is common knowledge by those who are responsible for fundraising that the community in Israel enjoys widespread support by Jews around the world who appreciate the vast social service and humanitarian chesed infrastructure run by Charedi organizations in Israel,” he explained.  “Unfortunately and very sadly, the massive chilul Hashem is now directly impacting those that are the most vulnerable in Eretz Yisroel who suffer from illness and poverty.  This is directly attributable to hooligans who have total disregard for behavior becoming of Charedim, which should mean G-d-fearing,” Friedlander said.

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“We live in an age where images and information are disseminated instantly,” he pointed out.  “I ask: where is the Charedi leadership?  Why have we seen no wide-scale condemnations of behavior repulsive to our law-abiding and peaceful community?  Have they failed to notice that any legitimate grievances have dissipated with the first stone thrown?”

Friedlander is clearly agitated—and the PR guy has good reason: non-religious donors are shocked and outraged, and are taking it out on their Charedi beneficiaries, Friedlander’s clients.  Friedlander says he’s going public after a long night of phone calls with clients reporting an alarming level of verbal confrontations with donors.

According to Friedlander, donors are expressing their “amazement at the level of violence in the Charedi neighborhoods of Jerusalem and the lack of any authoritative crackdown on those responsible for the mayhem—they [the clients] are asking me, ‘What can you do to stem the anger pointed in our direction which is being caused by the riots not of our making and control?’ ”

Friedlander believes there needs to be “unified and firm, bold action against anyone and everyone who takes part, or is responsible for, any action leading to violence of any kind,” he said.  “Only when the opinion street sees a leadership firmly in charge of the Charedi street, will they acknowledge that the rioters and the rabbis are not one and the same.”



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 Jul 17, 2009 at 09:15 AM No Loss for Klall Yisroel Says:

It's important to educate the public, the Gedolim have always had the opinion that one should only take charity from a Shomer Shabbos.

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 09:22 AM yossi Says:

How can Friedlandler call this Chili Hashem when those men are Mekadesh Shem Shemayim.? Chasidishe yidden never ever giot scared from american dollars..A yid has to be Moyser Nefesh when it comes to yiddishkeit....Now lets see which non frum jews are you talking about...The ones who invested in Madoff company.? Let that money go to the RICHOS...

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 09:20 AM Lebediger Says:

a new rabbi on the map ha ha

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 09:20 AM Disgusted Jew Says:

“I ask: where is the Charedi leadership?

The only way these Rabbis will listen -when us American Jewish suckers stop giving them money. I will make sure to tell them How i feel when they call my house 20 times a day for every charity I never heard of.

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 09:20 AM Anonymous Says:

I know of a big philanthropist who sent a huge amount of money as a donation to one of the mosdos very active in the demonstrations, as a direct result of the brutal treatment the Israeli government is treating the frum yidden.
I guess that donor didn't ask Mr. Friedlander..

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 09:25 AM What?!?! Says:

Reply to #1  
No Loss for Klall Yisroel Says:

It's important to educate the public, the Gedolim have always had the opinion that one should only take charity from a Shomer Shabbos.

All of my non-chareidi money goes to your welfare checks....so maybe you should stop receiving them....

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 09:30 AM ZW Says:

#1, you are making a blanket statement that is both false and misleading. If you pledged not to benefit from any institution that took money from "non Shomer Shabbos" you would not be able to walk into virtually any yeshiva, shul or take money from any tzedaka organization around. This is a very gray area and if you would like to elaborate on "all of the gedolim" that have "always had the opinion" that would be interesting to hear.

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 09:32 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
No Loss for Klall Yisroel Says:

It's important to educate the public, the Gedolim have always had the opinion that one should only take charity from a Shomer Shabbos.

But the charedim in Jerusalem wouldn't survive if not the help of the government - secular Jews. Money. Security. Educated-doctors. Utility. You name it.

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 09:31 AM Pro g-d fearing jews Says:

Its amazing how much anti frum sentiment ive seen on the internet sinnce the beginning of the whole riot episodes, even on the "frum websites". Now for all of those freaks who are ranting at the chareidiim in Eretz hakodesh, how about looking at the pictures themselves. Isnt it funny when you look at one picture and you see a group of CHAREIDIM throwing rocks at cops but in the next picture you see a group of CHAREIDIM EMTS treating the cops that got injured. There are two points id like bring out from this.

1. Isnt that a contradiction to all the media reports that the "chareidim did this......." etc. In not one media outlet did they actually mention about the GOOD CHAREIDIM. At least let the FRUM MEDIA outlets should be reporting this to break the CHAREDI STEREOTYPE. No everyone has to to go on a rant to blast the frum world and our holy gedolim. FOR ONCE TAKE A LOOK AT THE GOOD SIDE.

2. What would you answer somebody who shows you this contradiction? Answer: The rioters are only a small handfull but in general most frum yidden are non violent caring people. No instead lets rant abount the handfull of trouble makers. Again stop looking for all the bad in Judiasm. Looking for the good will only bring Moshiach closer.


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 Jul 17, 2009 at 09:38 AM Anonymous Says:

how come when the misnachlem were rioting when they were in trouble, how come Friedlander didn't speak up then

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 09:37 AM Tanna Kamma Says:

Reply to #5  
Anonymous Says:

I know of a big philanthropist who sent a huge amount of money as a donation to one of the mosdos very active in the demonstrations, as a direct result of the brutal treatment the Israeli government is treating the frum yidden.
I guess that donor didn't ask Mr. Friedlander..

I think the losses outweigh the gain in this case, this philantropist is an isolated example, you won't find many others who are likeminded, I think Friedlander can be relied on in this issue...

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 09:25 AM Yehuda Says:

Why only religious people? I have a problem believing that any Gadol would say that especially since their institutions receive a lot of money from people who are not neccesarily Shomer shabbos. Besides, all Jews have the mitzvah of tzedokah. And that these so called religious people are causing a chillul hashem, damage to property (which is a form of stealing) is all this okay by you. The non-religious are on a much higher level than these so called religious animals. Just because you have a yarmulke, black hat and kapota means exactly nothing if you do not act accordingly.

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 09:50 AM Anonymous Says:

Rest assured, if the protests were limited to calm gatherings where people said Tehillim, none of this would be happening. In fact, there would be a great deal of respect for the protesters. Now that the hooligans have caused so much trouble, I wonder why people like #2 continue to defend many Issurei D'oraissah including throwing rocks at people, making fires in r'shus ha'rabim, and many other issurim. It's not about being anti-Charedim, it's about being pro-Torah.

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 09:55 AM listen! Says:

Reply to #4  
Disgusted Jew Says:

“I ask: where is the Charedi leadership?

The only way these Rabbis will listen -when us American Jewish suckers stop giving them money. I will make sure to tell them How i feel when they call my house 20 times a day for every charity I never heard of.

I don't know if you have money or not! But don't be a big mouth to say I will give I will not give evan you have money its not yours its from hashem and like he gives he can take so don't feel good with money just dank hashem for it!

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 09:53 AM proud jew Says:

the rioters are a kiddush hashem - theyre being moser nefesh its a shaas hashmad.

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 09:44 AM Itr me Says:

Reply to #13  
Pro g-d fearing jews Says:

Its amazing how much anti frum sentiment ive seen on the internet sinnce the beginning of the whole riot episodes, even on the "frum websites". Now for all of those freaks who are ranting at the chareidiim in Eretz hakodesh, how about looking at the pictures themselves. Isnt it funny when you look at one picture and you see a group of CHAREIDIM throwing rocks at cops but in the next picture you see a group of CHAREIDIM EMTS treating the cops that got injured. There are two points id like bring out from this.

1. Isnt that a contradiction to all the media reports that the "chareidim did this......." etc. In not one media outlet did they actually mention about the GOOD CHAREIDIM. At least let the FRUM MEDIA outlets should be reporting this to break the CHAREDI STEREOTYPE. No everyone has to to go on a rant to blast the frum world and our holy gedolim. FOR ONCE TAKE A LOOK AT THE GOOD SIDE.

2. What would you answer somebody who shows you this contradiction? Answer: The rioters are only a small handfull but in general most frum yidden are non violent caring people. No instead lets rant abount the handfull of trouble makers. Again stop looking for all the bad in Judiasm. Looking for the good will only bring Moshiach closer.


Way to go. Finally some sense on the web

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 09:42 AM Avrohom Abba Says:

How long will these idiots continue to make people hate the Orthodox??
Do they really think the other Jews (who are far more numerous) will suddenly jump up and say,
" Oh, I must become Orthodox and close my store because the Charedis burned fires in the streets and got into fights??!!"

Wake up!!!
People respond much more easily to gentle, sincere calls, than they do to a bunch of violent, wild kids.

There is an old Yiddish saying, "You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar."

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 10:18 AM Anonymous Says:

The Israeli government is apparently discriminating, however violence just seems to make a huge Chilul Hashem. HaRav Finkel Shlita and HaRav Shterbuch Shlita issued letters not to resort to violence of any kind. It is now making NATIONAL HEADLINES. As far as the Umos Haolam see it, is Orthodox Jews are violent just like the arabs Chas Veshalom!.........

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 10:33 AM Mevoyash Says:

Reply to #22  
Anonymous Says:

The Israeli government is apparently discriminating, however violence just seems to make a huge Chilul Hashem. HaRav Finkel Shlita and HaRav Shterbuch Shlita issued letters not to resort to violence of any kind. It is now making NATIONAL HEADLINES. As far as the Umos Haolam see it, is Orthodox Jews are violent just like the arabs Chas Veshalom!.........

Its actually making INTER-national headlines as I have seen this mentioned in several regular media publications. So now the chillul hashem is world-wide! P.S. They are referrind to the rioters as "violent Hassidim" Great-just what we need!

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 10:29 AM Gadolwannabe Says:

Reply to #1  
No Loss for Klall Yisroel Says:

It's important to educate the public, the Gedolim have always had the opinion that one should only take charity from a Shomer Shabbos.

So, go tell Shottenstein, Stone, Rennert, Weisel, Wexler, etc. that all the money that they have given to Yeshivas, Art Scroll, hospitals, etc is treif and they should stop giving tzedaka becuse you, the holy Chosid Shoteh, refuse to take theri money.

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 10:28 AM ah nechtiger tug Says:

I am appalled (although unfortunately not surprised) how many charedi publications contort themseleves to try to cast these violent wack jobs in a positive light! Take a look at this weeks Yated: the Editor (and owner) Pinny Lipshits wrote a whole two-and-a- half page article defending these morons as "mikadshei shem shomayim" and demonizing the Israeli Media and Police. Its amazing how folks can never accept the truth which is: NOT ALL FRUM JEWS ARE PERFECT; NOT EVERY FRUM REACTION IS PROPER!!!! Sometimes (even!) Frum folks are bad, stupid, vicious, and just plain WRONG! I say:let the frum Media at least be intellectually honest about all this garbage!

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 10:56 AM when i think Says:

Reply to #18  
listen! Says:

I don't know if you have money or not! But don't be a big mouth to say I will give I will not give evan you have money its not yours its from hashem and like he gives he can take so don't feel good with money just dank hashem for it!

I agree with #18 100% gelt is something hashem gives you can see 2 people doing the same think 1 is matzliach and the other 1 is not its because hashem wants so! I ones heard from someone a businessmen that if you don't believe hashem gives every think you don't have to be apicores your just stupid! May we all be matzliach!!!

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 10:56 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #2  
yossi Says:

How can Friedlandler call this Chili Hashem when those men are Mekadesh Shem Shemayim.? Chasidishe yidden never ever giot scared from american dollars..A yid has to be Moyser Nefesh when it comes to yiddishkeit....Now lets see which non frum jews are you talking about...The ones who invested in Madoff company.? Let that money go to the RICHOS...

If these rioters are "mekadesh shem shemayim" than you are obviously worshiping another god than the rest of us. These people have caused incredible damage and harm to klal yisroel, have desecrated the name of hashem. They will be punished, not rewarded, for their actions.

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 10:15 AM artie Says:

Reply to #13  
Pro g-d fearing jews Says:

Its amazing how much anti frum sentiment ive seen on the internet sinnce the beginning of the whole riot episodes, even on the "frum websites". Now for all of those freaks who are ranting at the chareidiim in Eretz hakodesh, how about looking at the pictures themselves. Isnt it funny when you look at one picture and you see a group of CHAREIDIM throwing rocks at cops but in the next picture you see a group of CHAREIDIM EMTS treating the cops that got injured. There are two points id like bring out from this.

1. Isnt that a contradiction to all the media reports that the "chareidim did this......." etc. In not one media outlet did they actually mention about the GOOD CHAREIDIM. At least let the FRUM MEDIA outlets should be reporting this to break the CHAREDI STEREOTYPE. No everyone has to to go on a rant to blast the frum world and our holy gedolim. FOR ONCE TAKE A LOOK AT THE GOOD SIDE.

2. What would you answer somebody who shows you this contradiction? Answer: The rioters are only a small handfull but in general most frum yidden are non violent caring people. No instead lets rant abount the handfull of trouble makers. Again stop looking for all the bad in Judiasm. Looking for the good will only bring Moshiach closer.


You say: " What would you answer somebody who shows you this contradiction? Answer: The rioters are only a small handfull but in general most frum yidden are non violent caring people. No instead lets rant abount the handfull of trouble makers. "

This sounds just like the argument "not all muslims are terrorists". Which of course is a true statement, but since none of the muslim leaders do anything to curb terrorism, they're affiliated with them. Same thing with these charedim. Since there are no rabbis stopping this nonsense, banning the rioters from shuls, throwing their kids out of yeshiva...etc then they are just like the rioters and ALL of them deserve to be chasticed by the worst of the hillel hashem.

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 10:15 AM Anonymous Says:

#13 i dont knw wat pics u looking at or what stories u reading. I see jews acting like animals, fighting against getting a child out of a home where he is not being taken care of. did the mother deserve to be arrested yes 100%. what were these jews protesting the child being treated as a child or taken out of a concentration camp.?

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 11:24 AM Angry Jew Says:

Any Rabbi that is in leadership position in Israel should be vehemently condemning these demonstrations! This is such a HUGE Chillul Hashem!
How can you riot against another Jew and cause such great Chillul Hashem to the world? How can these Rabbi's not get up and condemn the sickening Netura Karta that go into Gaza to meet with murderers?
How do our Rabbi's stand by silently while these atrocities are occurring?

Here are the answers:
In today's world there are zero differences between these Rabbi's and any other people.
Lawyers, Plumbers, Teachers, Retail Store Owners, Doctors, Rabbi's...
These are just job titles.

A real Rabbi and one who deserves the complete honor and respect of the title, is someone that is proud to stand up and take charge. Someone that can answer proudly to Hashem after 120 years.



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 Jul 17, 2009 at 11:23 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #2  
yossi Says:

How can Friedlandler call this Chili Hashem when those men are Mekadesh Shem Shemayim.? Chasidishe yidden never ever giot scared from american dollars..A yid has to be Moyser Nefesh when it comes to yiddishkeit....Now lets see which non frum jews are you talking about...The ones who invested in Madoff company.? Let that money go to the RICHOS...

"......those men are Mekadesh Shem Shemayim......

In what way are they Mekadesh Shem Shemayim, by damaging property of others? These hoodlums are a bunch of bums not any better than the Zionist Apikorsim.

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 11:22 AM Izzy Says:

this women she be deported with all her nk members.the rabbi is right I am not a chardi but this will make people like me close there funds to chradi causes

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 11:11 AM NYCbuff Says:

Finaly a person like Mr. Ezra Freidlander had the balls & speak up... He is a true community askan & does & says what is right not scared to say the open truth... -k-

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 10:11 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #12  
Anonymous Says:

But the charedim in Jerusalem wouldn't survive if not the help of the government - secular Jews. Money. Security. Educated-doctors. Utility. You name it.

They wouldn't be able to survive if Uncle Sam would stop funding them!! don't think a few Madoffs keep up all of Israel.. its the US donations that keeps them going.

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 10:06 AM ???!!!??!? Says:

Reply to #1  
No Loss for Klall Yisroel Says:

It's important to educate the public, the Gedolim have always had the opinion that one should only take charity from a Shomer Shabbos.

I think that any mother would take money from anywhere so that she can stop her kinderlach from crying with stomachs that burn from hunger.
YOU go tell her she can't accept tzedakah from a non-Shomer Shabbos to feed her starving babies, O Righteous One!

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 09:58 AM Riots Says:

For all those Charedim who love theses riots - I think the organizers should rather arrange some sports activities (like basketball or soccer) to help theses Charedim let out their steam and energy. I think this will solve the problem.

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 09:56 AM Anonymous Says:

We have no more Gadolim we only have Ketanem. All who are afraid to say anything. They all hide when its time to stand up and say something.

May Hashem have mercy on us

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 12:05 PM Anonymous Says:

Reb N. Rosenberg said a very interested thing this week on his hot line, if it Bothers so much for the Godilm that people are mechalel Shabbos,why go out with violence? don't you think if you go out and talk to them about Shabbas and explain them how nice Shabbos it is, don't you think you would accomplish a lot more then trowing stones?

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 11:59 AM Frequent Visitor Says:

My daughter, who lives in Sanhedria with 4 young ones,can no longer cross the street at Rechov Bar Ilan and Shmuel Ha'Navi to do her shopping? Why? Because some "righteous" Jews tore down the traffic lights !!! Street lights have been torn down on major intersections all over Jerusalem.

Who will suffer?
The Yidden who live there !!!
The shopkeepers who have lost their customers !!!
The mothers and fathers who take busses (that are no longer running) to work or Yeshiva !!!!

So you tell me, what message was sent ? And to whom?

Who will fix the damage done ? Who will pay for the damage done?

There were several Chesed organizations in Geula who got checks every year from my husband and myself. NO MORE

I will give my money to organizations who "act frum" not just "look frum".

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 11:52 AM Menachem Says:

Reply to #1  
No Loss for Klall Yisroel Says:

It's important to educate the public, the Gedolim have always had the opinion that one should only take charity from a Shomer Shabbos.

We'll have to shut down all the kolels then

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 11:50 AM Anonymous Says:

I think its the biggest Chillul Hashem i ever witness,i am ashamed to go out on the street when our brothers behave in violence, what should any one think? even modern Charedim, what happen to our Gedolim? the entire yiddishkeit could suffer.

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 12:19 PM Anonymous Says:

Another person heard from.

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 12:19 PM Get it together Says:

Reply to #13  
Pro g-d fearing jews Says:

Its amazing how much anti frum sentiment ive seen on the internet sinnce the beginning of the whole riot episodes, even on the "frum websites". Now for all of those freaks who are ranting at the chareidiim in Eretz hakodesh, how about looking at the pictures themselves. Isnt it funny when you look at one picture and you see a group of CHAREIDIM throwing rocks at cops but in the next picture you see a group of CHAREIDIM EMTS treating the cops that got injured. There are two points id like bring out from this.

1. Isnt that a contradiction to all the media reports that the "chareidim did this......." etc. In not one media outlet did they actually mention about the GOOD CHAREIDIM. At least let the FRUM MEDIA outlets should be reporting this to break the CHAREDI STEREOTYPE. No everyone has to to go on a rant to blast the frum world and our holy gedolim. FOR ONCE TAKE A LOOK AT THE GOOD SIDE.

2. What would you answer somebody who shows you this contradiction? Answer: The rioters are only a small handfull but in general most frum yidden are non violent caring people. No instead lets rant abount the handfull of trouble makers. Again stop looking for all the bad in Judiasm. Looking for the good will only bring Moshiach closer.


You are a first class Moron! Charedie EMS (Magen David Edom) treat wounded (terroist) arabs as well. Go back to Lakewood and / or consult a concert ban rabbi before you come here.

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 12:15 PM Pro g-d fearing jews Says:

Reply to #41
Either you are full garbage and just trying to incite the crowd or you are just plain outright stupid.

What do the rioters have to do with the chesed orginazations in geulah? You probably dont want to give money any more since you just want to buy yourself a CHANEL handbag. Its amazing how stupid your comments are.

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 11:40 AM Big Masmid Says:

Reply to #2  
yossi Says:

How can Friedlandler call this Chili Hashem when those men are Mekadesh Shem Shemayim.? Chasidishe yidden never ever giot scared from american dollars..A yid has to be Moyser Nefesh when it comes to yiddishkeit....Now lets see which non frum jews are you talking about...The ones who invested in Madoff company.? Let that money go to the RICHOS...

In your warped and twisted mind this is called a kiddush hashem, not only are donors
repulsed by these riots but thousands of potential baalei tshuvos.
There is no greater chillul hashem than this.

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 12:53 PM anonymous Says:

All those mesholochim here in Baltimore don't mind checks from conservative shuls and non-shomer shabbes as long as it green dollars, a lot of these mosdos would be broke if not for the money from " freie' yidden.

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 01:04 PM PMO Says:

Reply to #13  
Pro g-d fearing jews Says:

Its amazing how much anti frum sentiment ive seen on the internet sinnce the beginning of the whole riot episodes, even on the "frum websites". Now for all of those freaks who are ranting at the chareidiim in Eretz hakodesh, how about looking at the pictures themselves. Isnt it funny when you look at one picture and you see a group of CHAREIDIM throwing rocks at cops but in the next picture you see a group of CHAREIDIM EMTS treating the cops that got injured. There are two points id like bring out from this.

1. Isnt that a contradiction to all the media reports that the "chareidim did this......." etc. In not one media outlet did they actually mention about the GOOD CHAREIDIM. At least let the FRUM MEDIA outlets should be reporting this to break the CHAREDI STEREOTYPE. No everyone has to to go on a rant to blast the frum world and our holy gedolim. FOR ONCE TAKE A LOOK AT THE GOOD SIDE.

2. What would you answer somebody who shows you this contradiction? Answer: The rioters are only a small handfull but in general most frum yidden are non violent caring people. No instead lets rant abount the handfull of trouble makers. Again stop looking for all the bad in Judiasm. Looking for the good will only bring Moshiach closer.


You are 100% correct. We see this same cycle in all areas of life. We, as frum yidden, are just as guilty when it comes to Muslims. The fact is that 99% of Muslims are not terrorists... but we see comments like "kill all the Muslims", etc. The same holds true here. Chareidim who commit arson, or throw rocks at police and sanitation workers are a small minority of people who in no way represent Torah. They are complete phonies who dress up to look like us, but are nothing more than violent criminal terrorists. Perhaps that is what we should call them... "ANTI-TORAH TERRORISTS"... it has a nice ring to it, and this way a clear distinction is made between those erliche yidden who truly live Torah lives, and the criminals who live among us and wear our clothing.

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 12:21 PM Disgusted Jew Says:

Reply to #18  
listen! Says:

I don't know if you have money or not! But don't be a big mouth to say I will give I will not give evan you have money its not yours its from hashem and like he gives he can take so don't feel good with money just dank hashem for it!

Hashem gave me the money to do what I see fit-and these barbarians rioting are for sure not fit and might actually be assur to give them money, because they are commiting a chilul hashem and damaging other peoples property. so what do you have to say now BIG MOUTH!!

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 02:39 PM tzoorba Says:

Reply to #49  
PMO Says:

You are 100% correct. We see this same cycle in all areas of life. We, as frum yidden, are just as guilty when it comes to Muslims. The fact is that 99% of Muslims are not terrorists... but we see comments like "kill all the Muslims", etc. The same holds true here. Chareidim who commit arson, or throw rocks at police and sanitation workers are a small minority of people who in no way represent Torah. They are complete phonies who dress up to look like us, but are nothing more than violent criminal terrorists. Perhaps that is what we should call them... "ANTI-TORAH TERRORISTS"... it has a nice ring to it, and this way a clear distinction is made between those erliche yidden who truly live Torah lives, and the criminals who live among us and wear our clothing.

Your comments about the minority of Jew is on the mark but it is corrupted by your misguided comparison to the Muslims

You always compare the virtuous Orthodox Jews to vile and evil Muslims or other evil doers.

Your tiny minority of terrorists view of the Muslims is poisonous and false. They have never protested the terrorist actions of their brothers. Which Muslim group protested Mumbai in unambiguous language?

When they condemn terrorism they mean any resistance to Muslims. They don't consider suicide bombing terrorism because it is against people who oppose Islam and this includes children.

Stop comparing us to them and stop standing up for those who secretly hate you.

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 02:29 PM Anonymous Says:

It goes even further than whjat Friedlander says: There will be a backlash of Chareidi financial support for the Chareidi community in Israel, particularly from US.

Sometimes the only way to have an influence on a person is to hit them where it hurts: in the pocketbook.

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 01:48 PM Anonymous Says:

I don't know if the riots are right or wrong i'll let the gedolim decide that.but to say i'ts wrong because some mechalel shabbos doner will stop giving money is definitly wrong.

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 01:40 PM AMG Says:

Reply to #1  
No Loss for Klall Yisroel Says:

It's important to educate the public, the Gedolim have always had the opinion that one should only take charity from a Shomer Shabbos.

there were many rashei yeshivas for example rav elchonon rav burach ber rav moshe mordechai epstein rav sherr who raised money in america before the second world war and the only people who had money to donate at the time were non shomer shabos jews

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 01:24 PM shmilku Says:

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PMO Says:

You are 100% correct. We see this same cycle in all areas of life. We, as frum yidden, are just as guilty when it comes to Muslims. The fact is that 99% of Muslims are not terrorists... but we see comments like "kill all the Muslims", etc. The same holds true here. Chareidim who commit arson, or throw rocks at police and sanitation workers are a small minority of people who in no way represent Torah. They are complete phonies who dress up to look like us, but are nothing more than violent criminal terrorists. Perhaps that is what we should call them... "ANTI-TORAH TERRORISTS"... it has a nice ring to it, and this way a clear distinction is made between those erliche yidden who truly live Torah lives, and the criminals who live among us and wear our clothing.

dont fool youreself the few who commit theese acts can be stoped easily the good ones who see them doing dont seem to stop them neither do the rabbis care so the good one are just as guilty as the evil ones for evil to be succesful you only need the good one to keep quite

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 01:13 PM anonymous Says:

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No Loss for Klall Yisroel Says:

It's important to educate the public, the Gedolim have always had the opinion that one should only take charity from a Shomer Shabbos.

I hope the gedolim instruct all these schnorrers no to go conservative shuls and are bodek every Yid before taking a check that he is a shomer shabbes

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 01:12 PM Anonymous Says:

1. Why is it that when the Muslims do it, we condemn them (to put it nicely), but when we do it, it's Mesiras Nefesh? You might be surprised to know that when they riot, they also consider it "Mesiras Nefesh" for their religion.
2. I don't believe it will be sufficient that the gedloim condemn it. This is a symptom of a larger problem, where bochurim who have little interest in learning all day - and even "good bochurim", such as I was back in the day - need to find outlets to their energy. Until we integrate more work/skills training/sports into their day's activites, this will unfortunately often be the outlet.

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 04:35 PM Anonymous Says:

The riots in מאה שערים will undoubtedly end. All you people who support the riots understand that nothing good will come out of these riots. Nothing! What will happen is that people who admire Shomrei Torah and are looking to join, and to begin keeping mitzvohs will take a second look. Some will overcome the challenge and continue on their path towards Mitzvohs. Others will not. And for those people, the rioters will stand on the יום הדין and have some explaining to do. Once פסק דין is rendered, דומה will eagerly await them and seat them accordingly.

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 03:54 PM kingsley the chuchem Says:

Freidlander has the experience in various religious circles to know. He is correct in his argument but especially in the chilul hashem it causes more important than the monetary issue. These are not ordinary times,veyn somchin aal haness-we need all the help we can get. Even Rav Sternbuch has said that violent demonstrators "are not part of the community. The Grand Rabbis of Belz , Ger and Toldos (all of them) should form immediately their own enforcement group at demonstrations and hand over violent participants to the police.
Rabbi Freidlander has Championed the needs of Charedim here and in Israle and he carries political weight here and Israel.. These so-called Rebbes in America and Israel should come out in support of him instead of Banning concerts and LIpa! Shame on all of them!!! U are busy with narishkeitin!!! Listen and wake up to Freidlanders words of ahavas Yisroel

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 03:25 PM ShatzMatz Says:

Mr. Friedlander got it wrong. I am chareidi, and I ill also boycott chareidi charities because of the riots. I will be sending my kollel shomer hachmos pushka money to the fund for the japanese boys. I will refrain from any donations any yerushlayim mosod, including the yeshiva I went to.

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 06:10 PM Anonymous Says:

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yossi Says:

How can Friedlandler call this Chili Hashem when those men are Mekadesh Shem Shemayim.? Chasidishe yidden never ever giot scared from american dollars..A yid has to be Moyser Nefesh when it comes to yiddishkeit....Now lets see which non frum jews are you talking about...The ones who invested in Madoff company.? Let that money go to the RICHOS...

If, G-d forbid, even one innocent child in Yerushalayim goes hungry because of your "Kiddush Hashem", I hope you're sure YOUR "mesirus nefesh" in "protesting" was the right move.

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 05:52 PM EYTalmid Says:

Anyone, that has ever studied in EY, knows, that there is a lot of shababnikim, out on the streets of Yerushalayim, always looking for an opportunity, when to start hafgonos.

The way how to have a Mochoah regarding Chilul Shabbos, is not the way that can be seen in the media. There are other options open, for those wishing to bring the Jerusalem Municipality to its knees, but this is not the way.

BTW, if you all care to remember, Yerushalayim is without a Chareidi Mayor, due to its own doing. They should thank Ploni Almoni and their own.

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 05:18 PM Anonymous Says:

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Disgusted Jew Says:

“I ask: where is the Charedi leadership?

The only way these Rabbis will listen -when us American Jewish suckers stop giving them money. I will make sure to tell them How i feel when they call my house 20 times a day for every charity I never heard of.

And I never give a dime

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 Jul 18, 2009 at 03:35 PM Anonymous Says:

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Disgusted Jew Says:

“I ask: where is the Charedi leadership?

The only way these Rabbis will listen -when us American Jewish suckers stop giving them money. I will make sure to tell them How i feel when they call my house 20 times a day for every charity I never heard of.

a rabbi should lead his people not let his people lead him and definitly not you american sucker. I do not like the riots, but I still have respect for our gedolim. You on the other hand show yourself as someone who respects your own opinion and expect the gedolim to repsect yours as well. By the way......whats your name "Rabbi"

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 Jul 18, 2009 at 09:58 PM Kingsley the Chuchem Says:

#shatz matz AND #65 - bOTH OF U OUGHT TO LEARN FACTS

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 Jul 18, 2009 at 10:24 PM weird Says:

This is funny. When there is no more money left to give out, they start blaming the riots. Let them say the truth; they lost their jobs and are not interested in donating to anyone anymore.

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 Jul 18, 2009 at 10:09 PM kingsley the chuchem Says:

Shatzmatz and #64 Both of u have got your facts wrong!! Shatz matz , Mr. Freidlander wrote exactly what u said u are doing. The consequences both from private and the Israeli
govt grants will no begin to decrease resulting from these violent nonsensical acts by a few hooligans. Israeli society will now fight for destabilizing the economic grants to the Haredi community which is already quite. What a bunch of fools and the silence
of the Rebbes is most to blame. The Mir rosh Hayeshiva and Rav Shternbuch have condemned this violence.
#64 The so-called gedolim have been misled many times by so called moronic askanim . Rabbi Freidlander knows the realpolitik and the dire consequences that will now fall upon the charedim to be crushed by the secular. Thank the silent so called gedolim thruout all this falling soon on their people. I and none of my yeshivish friends will support these institutions participating in violent demonstrations.The consequences is what they sowed by their silence and what Freidlander is correctly concerned about. Shame on these Gedolim for the silence #64- Don't be aloser like them!

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