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Jerusalem - Exclusive: Rav Sternbuch Shlit'a Issues Letter Regarding The Riots

Published on: July 17, 2009 11:03 AM
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Rabbi Moishe Sternbuch, Shlita Jerusalem - Rabbi Daniel Eidensohn of Israel who runs the blog Daas Torah  posted a letter written by Rabbi Moishe Sternbuch, Shlita in regards to the recent riots.

In an email exclusive to VIN News, Rabbi Eidensohn confirmed that the letter is authentic, and that he personally met with Rav Sternbuch who issued the letter to him.

For those who are not aware, Rav Sternbuch speaks and writes English well. Rabbi Sternbuch is the Vice-President of the Rabbinical Court and Chief Rabbi Ra’avad of the Edah HaChareidis in Jerusalem.

You can download the letter here in PDF

Rav Sternbuch Protest Letter-1 

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 10:19 AM shimon Says:

Too bad Reb Moishe doesn't read the comments here. He would know that random acts of vandalism and violence are "kidush H", "meisras nefesh" and "the only language the others understand". Too bad he is insisting using his brain.

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 10:22 AM ok .. Says:

now let him speak out against ALL violence including violence against police

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 10:17 AM Anonymous Says:

Tank you VIN. If you notice there is two points in his letter: against the violence of the police, and against the ...... Rioters!

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 10:17 AM jew from jerusalem Says:

About time.

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 10:26 AM Anonymous Says:

Very nice and to the point rabbi Sternbuch. especially to condemn first the heartless abuse of a mother, then condemning the aftermath of the protests (s.c. riots against the police rioters).

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 10:51 AM Anonymous Says:

Does the rav (or any of the other Chareidi leaders) really matter any more. These rioters seem to be motivated by a desire to protest in the abstract and without regard to any substantive issue. In simple terms, I suspect the hard core of rioters will simply blow him off and continue their protests until some new issue comes along and then jump on that bandwagon.

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 10:53 AM Ben Kochba Says:

Big Deal, that was a nice way of saying nothing. He could have certainly come out stronger against the animals in the street protesting.

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 10:41 AM SD Says:

1) Rav Shternbuch objects to her being held in a cell with "hardened criminals." However, others object to her being held "in solitary confinement." Both charges cannot be true.

2) The police did not arrest her for being mentally ill. They arrested her for allegedly committing a criminal act. The mental illness is a possible defense, but not the reason she was arrested.

3)The only reason she was being held for a week was because she refused to submit to a psychiatric evaluation. Had she cooperated and submitted to the evaluation, then she would have been released sooner.

4)The police also have an interest in knowing whether she represents a threat to her other children. They cannot put those children at risk. The family, however, hid those other children from the police and the social workers. Therefore, the police cannot assess the risks.

5)Rav Shternbuch speaks of the brutal way she was arrested. What evidence doees he have that her arrest was done in a brutal fashion. Please note that none of her defenders has made this claim before. I wonder whether Rav Shternbuch would share with us his insights into proper tactics the police could employ when they have to arrest a member of the Toldos Ahron group. SHould they send a letter, asking them to please come to the police station? Should they go into Battei Ungarim, even though they would wind up surrounded by rock-throwing maniacs?

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 10:30 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #2  
ok .. Says:

now let him speak out against ALL violence including violence against police

to make things clear, the rabbi did not condemn the protests, only the riots = violence.

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 10:30 AM michali Says:

Sorry, not good enough. The Rav did not condemn the violence by these hooligans strongly enough. What he should have added is the following: "Any one who is guilty of violent protests will be banned from Yerushalayim."

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 10:29 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #2  
ok .. Says:

now let him speak out against ALL violence including violence against police

First he speaks against those who started with violence first - the israeli police, then comes the second face of violence directly triggered by same violent police officers.
so basically by condemning the police brutality and civilian abuse by the police, covers all violence that come as a result of the beginners.

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 10:28 AM Anonymous Says:

too little far too late

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 10:28 AM Daniel Eidensohn Says:

now let him speak out against ALL violence including violence against police
============
Please reread what he wrote , "We condemn any type of violence" includes violence against the police.

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 10:11 AM ezra Says:

I think it's all political

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 10:11 AM Anonymous Says:

How about no Aliyo L'Torah for anyone caught being part of violent protests?????

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 11:23 AM yossi Says:

i see that there are normal rabunim out there he's 100% right with what he says, and its time that those bored kanoim should stop rioting and they should start to work to be able to support the famillies and come here to us and take out our money cuz they have to riot all the time

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 11:19 AM ok Says:

Reply to #13  
Daniel Eidensohn Says:

now let him speak out against ALL violence including violence against police
============
Please reread what he wrote , "We condemn any type of violence" includes violence against the police.

not clear enough .. dudes burning trash dont have the intellect - saichel - daas - to be medayek on the words of a Rov
they only understand violence
they need a clear - unequivocal - patch telling them .. enough .. no more !!!!

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 11:08 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #8  
SD Says:

1) Rav Shternbuch objects to her being held in a cell with "hardened criminals." However, others object to her being held "in solitary confinement." Both charges cannot be true.

2) The police did not arrest her for being mentally ill. They arrested her for allegedly committing a criminal act. The mental illness is a possible defense, but not the reason she was arrested.

3)The only reason she was being held for a week was because she refused to submit to a psychiatric evaluation. Had she cooperated and submitted to the evaluation, then she would have been released sooner.

4)The police also have an interest in knowing whether she represents a threat to her other children. They cannot put those children at risk. The family, however, hid those other children from the police and the social workers. Therefore, the police cannot assess the risks.

5)Rav Shternbuch speaks of the brutal way she was arrested. What evidence doees he have that her arrest was done in a brutal fashion. Please note that none of her defenders has made this claim before. I wonder whether Rav Shternbuch would share with us his insights into proper tactics the police could employ when they have to arrest a member of the Toldos Ahron group. SHould they send a letter, asking them to please come to the police station? Should they go into Battei Ungarim, even though they would wind up surrounded by rock-throwing maniacs?

R Shternbuch would know because he is involved as opposed to you who gets disinformation from blogs.

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 11:07 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #10  
michali Says:

Sorry, not good enough. The Rav did not condemn the violence by these hooligans strongly enough. What he should have added is the following: "Any one who is guilty of violent protests will be banned from Yerushalayim."

That would just come off as an empty threat. He already said "doesn't belong to our community." Really the best he can do. He has no power, other than the power of persuasion.

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 10:11 AM Askupeh Says:

A very responsible letter. His stature is now higher in my eyes.

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 11:55 AM wondering Says:

Why is the letter in English?!? Shouldn't it be in Hebrew? I highly doubt many if any of the rioters read English.

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 11:46 AM don ted Says:

This instinct that many frum yidden seem to have of supposing that any act by another frum person is correct and he/she is being persecuted is very damaging to the existence of ultra-orthodoxy. This instinct is what is allowing child mollesters, thieves and fraud artists to continue hurting people and remain in our schools, shuls and communities and become the face of our religion to the outside world.
We need to stand up to these people, and not with meek letters when it is too late to matter.

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 11:44 AM Babishka Says:

Where is the "B'Tselem" that will defend the Haredim like they defend the Arabs?

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 11:42 AM Anonymous Says:

A very weak statement. How about chayrem for violent protesters?

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 12:18 PM Anonymous Says:

Whoever wrote that letter misspelled 'Matos' it should be spelled with a 'suf' not a 'samach'. Kind of makes you wonder.........

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 12:51 PM critic Says:

#16 wrote "i see that there are normal rabunim out there "
Is he normal because he wrote what you wanted to hear?

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 12:47 PM The Truth Says:

Reply to #25  
Anonymous Says:

Whoever wrote that letter misspelled 'Matos' it should be spelled with a 'suf' not a 'samach'. Kind of makes you wonder.........

Seems like Someone wrote the letter (english speaker) and then went to R' Shternbuch to get it signed. I doubt that he formulated these specific words that everyone is nitpicking.

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 01:03 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #12  
Anonymous Says:

too little far too late

Better late than never.

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 12:26 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #8  
SD Says:

1) Rav Shternbuch objects to her being held in a cell with "hardened criminals." However, others object to her being held "in solitary confinement." Both charges cannot be true.

2) The police did not arrest her for being mentally ill. They arrested her for allegedly committing a criminal act. The mental illness is a possible defense, but not the reason she was arrested.

3)The only reason she was being held for a week was because she refused to submit to a psychiatric evaluation. Had she cooperated and submitted to the evaluation, then she would have been released sooner.

4)The police also have an interest in knowing whether she represents a threat to her other children. They cannot put those children at risk. The family, however, hid those other children from the police and the social workers. Therefore, the police cannot assess the risks.

5)Rav Shternbuch speaks of the brutal way she was arrested. What evidence doees he have that her arrest was done in a brutal fashion. Please note that none of her defenders has made this claim before. I wonder whether Rav Shternbuch would share with us his insights into proper tactics the police could employ when they have to arrest a member of the Toldos Ahron group. SHould they send a letter, asking them to please come to the police station? Should they go into Battei Ungarim, even though they would wind up surrounded by rock-throwing maniacs?

Well said. Part of the problem is that when most of the information the Rav has is from his chassidim - whose idea of impressing their Rav is to tell them how terrible the actions of the police/chiloni/goy/etc were, he ends up with a misguided viewpoint. I speak from first-hand knowledge, admittedly not from such well-known rabbonim.

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 12:21 PM Anonymous Says:

I don't either think the letter should have been in English. It's about time though!

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 01:27 PM Mandy Says:

A week later, this rav wakes up. Where was he this whole time? Was he not aware of the torchings on Sunday?

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 02:06 PM ACHRONIM Says:

a bit too little; a bit toooooo late....a gitten sh....

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 01:56 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #31  
Mandy Says:

A week later, this rav wakes up. Where was he this whole time? Was he not aware of the torchings on Sunday?

Unfortunately there was no other language to speak to the heartless Israeli government/police, besides their own language they are using, so all Rabonim remained silent in the beginning, now that she was freed to house arrest there is some "human" regular language to speak.

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 02:56 PM Anonymous Says:

I am happy to see Rav Sternbach speak out against the violence that is unjustifiable! On the other hand I don’t understand his position on how this women should be treated. A country has laws and these laws need to be followed. There is a ridiculous mentality in the Hareidi community of which I count myself, that somehow we and our Rabbanim get to choose how do deal with people who break the law. This is true in t his case, in the case of people smuggling drugs unto Japan (no matter if they thought they were “only” smuggling antiques) or any other white collar crime. It may well be that certain laws need to be changed and perhaps when dealing with mental illness the law should be changed, but there is a process. That process does not include riots, breaking traffic lights, or setting garbage cans on fire. I am afraid that the real motivation behind these and other riots by “unzereh taireh yiddin” is boredom! B”H we live in communities with TV, without internet for most, where we don’t go to movies and in the case of Eretz Yisrael, kids don’t even play ball. They have nothing else to do for entertainment. I’m sorry to say, as one who also owns an apartment in Yerushalayim and whose children and grandchildren live in Yerushlayim, these riots are done by kids that are looking for excitement, including the American Yeshiva lids who participate! HaShem Yirachem!

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 04:39 PM Anonymous Says:

The Rabbi doesn't know how to write a letter in Hebrew? Or even Yiddish? Why did he write in English? Honestly, do you really believe that he reads and understands English? I don't get it.

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 05:30 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #35  
Anonymous Says:

The Rabbi doesn't know how to write a letter in Hebrew? Or even Yiddish? Why did he write in English? Honestly, do you really believe that he reads and understands English? I don't get it.

Shame on you for saying that the heilege rav is illiterate and can not write a letter in Hebrew or Yiddish and might not even understand English. The truth is that he is fluent in all 3 language, although his English may be a little schvach...

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 06:56 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #35  
Anonymous Says:

The Rabbi doesn't know how to write a letter in Hebrew? Or even Yiddish? Why did he write in English? Honestly, do you really believe that he reads and understands English? I don't get it.

Rav Sternbuch speaks English with perfection and the Kings pronouciation.
He is from England

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 Jul 17, 2009 at 06:55 PM Anonymous Says:

A true Gadol.

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 Jul 18, 2009 at 06:30 PM Daniel Eidensohn Says:

In reference to the letter being in English - The letter was posted on the internet Friday - by Saturday night the contents were quite familar to the residents of Mea Shearim. Those who advocate violence were furious with it.

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 Jul 18, 2009 at 03:33 PM shimon taylor Says:

Strange to me!
I thought they arrested her because she hired social workers and independent doctors, who discovered that her child was being used as an experiment, by doctors of Hadasa.
If this is indeed the case, I hope the truth comes out with all the publicity it deserves, and that no one responsible is let off from the severest possible punishment, including that Hadasa will be forced to pay a very heavy price for this, and other such crimes they commit on a daily basis, and that they get some more accountability from now on.

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 Jul 18, 2009 at 02:28 PM 2 serious Says:

I'd like to thank, many of the above comments for giving us live illustration to something that was already taught hundreds of years ago-'daas baal habayis HEPECH daas torah'

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 Jul 18, 2009 at 02:25 PM 2 serious Says:

Reply to #2  
ok .. Says:

now let him speak out against ALL violence including violence against police

oh wait Rabbi Shterbuch! 'zaken muflag', kol hatorah kulo,many years of experience in communities AROUD THE WORLD , don't you think you should have consulted- "ok...says" for some advice on life in general,and specifically on how to write the letter, i think he knows a little better than you -he prob has a little more torah wisdom than you,he prob knows whats going on in jerusalem a little better,all those years of making smart comments on the internet has given him great wisdom.we all know that they only asked R" shternbuch to write the letter after "ok...says" was too busy

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 Jul 19, 2009 at 12:27 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #40  
shimon taylor Says:

Strange to me!
I thought they arrested her because she hired social workers and independent doctors, who discovered that her child was being used as an experiment, by doctors of Hadasa.
If this is indeed the case, I hope the truth comes out with all the publicity it deserves, and that no one responsible is let off from the severest possible punishment, including that Hadasa will be forced to pay a very heavy price for this, and other such crimes they commit on a daily basis, and that they get some more accountability from now on.

And if it is revealed that these ridiculous allegations are false will you demand that the rioters be held accountable? Or will you scream that it's all vast conspiracy/coverup?

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 Jul 19, 2009 at 04:24 AM destro613 Says:

the letter is written like a true politician

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 Jul 19, 2009 at 09:12 AM Har Nof Says:

This letter was written in English as well as Hebrew!

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 Jul 19, 2009 at 06:52 PM shimon taylor Says:

Reply to #43  
Anonymous Says:

And if it is revealed that these ridiculous allegations are false will you demand that the rioters be held accountable? Or will you scream that it's all vast conspiracy/coverup?

It would then be very serious!
But I trust this was all researched VERY VERY WELL before these demonstrations were started. (Did you read the hebrew notices?)

The big b'datz rabonim also joined.

(Unless......... unless you are saying that this is exactly why rav Shterbuch wrote all this.... to clarify the facts why b'datz was participating)

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