Deal, NJ – Upon further investigation of an earlier report posted by VIN News claiming that Rabbi Issac Dweck has renounced his son Solomon Dweck, VIN has verified that it’s not true.
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This rumor started a few days ago in Israel by a few irresponsible Hebrew-language news sites, and was for the first time reported today in English by a credible New Jersey news site.
We contacted the New Jersey reporter, who claimed that his story was accurate and came from a reliable source. Based on this claim, VIN posted the story.
VIN News has now been able to confirm directly from Rabbi Dweck and family what transpired this past Shabbos.
Rabbi Dweck delivered a very emotional sermon in which he strongly denounced the phenomenon of a Jew informing on other Jews, said that he is also a victim in this saga together with Klal Yisroel, and asked for prayers from the entire Jewish community for his terrible suffering.
Rabbi Dweck did not renounce his son, nor is he sitting shivah according to halachah.
VIN regrets the error. We unconditionally apologize for any anguish the erroneous report may have caused to the Dweck family.
VIN News strives to be the most accurate and reliable news source for the Jewish community, and as such, we always verify information we receive (though the sources feeding our verifiers sometimes turn out to be irresponsible, as occurs in this case.)
We hope to continue to provide accurate reportage with Hashem’s help.
Ok – Now Im confused – what does he have to say about all this? can he possibly justify”?
The inyan of mesira is not so pushut, 1) if he is a goverment employee then he is doing his job and you cant call him a moser,2) if he is insane and he probly is mentally instable then he has the din of a shoita and he is not responsible for his actions. I am not condoning anything he did, but the halocus of mesira is pretty complicated
Hopefully, the real truth will now come out that the rav did not denounce his son but rather gave legitimate musar to the olam that the midos of klal yisroel need to change. While I’m sure he does not approve of his son’s actions, the willingness of so many yiddin within his community to break the law for a few dollars shows greed is alive and well.
if you didnt change the report?
I can understand a journalist getting a few words wrong or even incorrectly citing a quotation but this whole story seems to have been fabricated to make his son look like the evil rasha while exonerating all of those who agreed to engage in these crimes and making such a chilul hashem. how coud this happen in an age when even the slightest error in attribution will be quickly corrected on the internet.
Why do you call him a Rabbi?
Just know that your son is DREK, whether you sit shiva or not is irrelevant.
this is the way i think it probably went:
one should sit shiva for such a son; his son deserves death, so its as if he died
I dont care if he sits shiva or not I care that he should pay me back my money that he stole,,Rabbi Dweck you have a few nice properties thats worth millions do the DEED man
Did he give VIN any special message to pass along ? A comment from the family ??? -k-
what should his father say or do? נעבעך
you think he likes what’s going on?
he needs a קאפיטל תהלים like everyone in כלל ישראל
what about the story of R’ Shimon Bar Yochai’s son, who caught jewish robbers for the romans and sent them to their deaths? The Gemara in Bava Metzia (7th perek), seems to conclude that it was right to remove the thorns from G-d’s Roses. Why is this clearly moser, the law of the government is more just than the roman law to kill thieves! can we speak rationally instead of just jumping to conclusions and killing the messenger?
he’s just not in the mood of sitting…..
why do people feel a need to be ringside pundits on the minutia of his existence. of what possible significance or benefit could his sitting (or for that matter standing) be to anyone.
PS this was written “tongue in cheek”, so pls laugh and accept it in the manner in which it was intended and don’t denounce me as an a”h, “shoite”, imbecile etc.
Well said. Also does the phrase from the gemorah ”Hakol bide shamayim chutz yirat shamayim” apply in this case?
he should sit shivah
The son might be Chayov Missoh, but he is not dead yet.
He did not CH”V marry out of his faith either. No Shiva here then.
(Just a few yidden will spent some 20 years each among murderers thanks to this Tachshit).
In my humble opinion the problem here is that the people who are complaining loudly that Dweck is “moser” don’t really care about the fact that he may have committed the avayrah of “moser”. If they cared about that avayrah, they would also care about the chillul hashem that the targets of the “moser” have caused and the aveyros they committed. What is really going on here is simply this: people don’t like snitches. It just sounds better (and holier) to use the lashon hakodesh word “moser” rather than “snitch”. The problem is that by focusing their wrath on the snitcher rather than on the snitchee(s) they are in essence acting no different than those who live in the inner city and are criticized for refusing to testify against drive-by shooters. So why don’t those of you who keep calling Dweck a “moser” stop pretending that you are angry because you think he did an avayrah and just admit that you don’t like “snitches.” You’ll feel better.
why wouldn’t the father sit shivah? don’t his son’s action prompt him to cut off ties with him? would his father ever look at him again? i am sure that not; so why not practice AVAILOS?
if he’ll hang himself. will he sit shiva then?
I never posted here before, but I feel obligated to say it, I know one of the people who were arrested and i know for sure this person has never done something like this before, he is well off, and does not need to make 5,000 dollars in such a manner, but dweck represented himself as a potential costumer from him and a big one, and all he wanted was to gain favor in his eyes, so he did him a favor, its something that you need to be a malach to withstand, and we are no talking here about serial launderers et cetra
yo guys are all crazy as good friend of the dwek faimly they dont need anymore pain from this bec wats theyre son have to do with them so stop callin them names bec they are in the same if not more shock you all are so stop now wit all the name callin to my very close very close faimly friend the dwecks they did nothin wrong sssssssoooooooo stop now
Rabbi Dwek is an honorable man, it is terrible that he has to have his name dragged through all this mud. I also think that his son, although I’ve never met him, was known as a generous baal tzedakah, and we don’t know what his nisyonos were so I will not denounce him like everyone else.
whats worse mesira or arkuas
He should not sit shiva his son the DREK could stop co-operate with the feds and do tshva so the whole cass will fall apart DO TSHUVA MR DWEK
This is to much ,oi rebbi this is just to much ,Hashem just bring Moshiach NOW
Let’s leave alone the Rav, its non of his fault, he’s heartbroken and ashamed of what happened, and let’s hope he gets over with it.
The son the rosha moiser is a seperate story, he should get what he deserves.
The family must be so humiliated. Who is this drek’s wife? How many kids? How can they go to camp/school with everyone talking about their father? Poor kids.
Bythwy I don’t get this whole farsholtene system you beg someone to help you and cash a check etc you make your self for a rachmunes and of course this person tries to push you off untill he can’t anymore because his hearth broke and than WOW they all jump out we got him… What kind of corrupted system is this I think the russiens were doing this
Bringing th egemarra to further your sinath chinam and to judge the people as guilty based on what?FBI and this lowlife,shame on you.That is the real chillul hashem.If Rosenbaum is such a bad guy,organ seller and all,why do they have zero real cases on him.The FBI has been following him for awhile and all they have is one case where he alledgedly conspired to do the act.Where is your gemarra kup.You believe everything you hear and read and decide it is a chillul hashemAre you stooping to dwecks level?
Mesira Lakum that the RAMBAM talks about is “LAAKUM” thats IDOL worshipers. a democratic elected goverment like the USA is not LAAKUM, its elected official by the people for the people by all voters ,you and me, so its not Mesira Laakum, lets not twist the inyan of mesira ,call this idiot whatever you want just dont twist the inyan of mesira out of context that the rambam writes about
His wife pearl is in Lakewood with the five kids, she wants to divorce him
oy vey what a mess
He should sit shiva his son is a moser and lost his cheluk to Olam Haba. Call him and tell him VIN readers think his son lost his Olam Haba and is considered dead so he should sit shiva.
He called my first cousin on sunday…..& asked her to do something 4 him. She asked a gadol if she should do it & he said “YES,lest he might turn on u 2(close relative)he’s testing ur loyalty,don’t take a chance”
BH R Dwek did not seat shiva
a son is a son, in the good ones and in the not good ones
Solomon need lots of help
He couldnt be sitting shiva for his son, as he’s not dead (yet). One only sits shiva for a dead relative, not a live one. The assumption that one sits shiva for a person that went off the derech is a mistake, although a very common one. If a Jew goes off the derech and then dies, his family sits shiva for that person because that person is still a jew, no matter what.
When I drove to the nursing home where I work this past Friday morning, I had a pit in my stomach in anticipation of the inevitable comments I was sure to receive from my coworkers. The comments came, and it was embarrassing; I didn’t have any good excuse or response to what they were asking about the hypocritical acts of the Rabbis in the Frum community. I was particular wary of a certain coworker, the Italian Catholic lady who is the administrator. She is also from West Long Branch, and all too familiar with the Deal community.
At a quiet moment after a meeting, she pulled me aside, and genuinely expressed that she felt so bad for me and the Frum community as a whole. She understood that we have lofty standards, and have impeccable values, but that the massive Chillul Hash-m that transpired would make people view ALL Frum Yidden with scorn. Growing up she remembers how anytime an Italian Mafioso was caught doing something illegal, her mother would cringe and remark how everyone is going to say that all of the Italians are involved with the Mafia.
She was convinced of the goodness of the Frum community due to her personal experiences with them. She said that when her husband was sick with his final illness, every night when she returned from the hospital, she found supper waiting for her (”in disposable tins, because they couldn’t leave their dishes with me”). When her husband ultimately succumbed to the illness, she said that her priests were of no help to her in trying to cope with her loss. She said comfort came from a local Rabbi’s wife, and then the Rabbi who called and left her a message offering his council whenever she needed it.
She knows some people did things wrong, and who knows what pressure they were under to do what they did, but she concluded that the kindness showed to her, an Italian Catholic, by the Deal community convinced her long ago that the religious Jews are very good decent people. One story was not going to change that.
Who was the couple that made the Kiddush Hash-m that left such lasting impression on her? Rabbi and Mrs. Dwek from Deal, Hash-m should give them strength.
There will unfortunately always be individuals who will commit acts that can potentially drag down Frum Yidden as a whole. The more solidly we cement our reputation as honest upstanding individuals during everyday life, the more likely we will be to protect ourselves from such perceptions in the future. As a whole, we are in galus, and have to suffer through the time tested “Eisav soineh es Yaakov,” but as individuals, we can make tremendous Kiddush Hash-ms in our daily lives that earn us the respect and admiration of those around us.
VINN-thanks for clarifying and glad the father is not sitting shiva. although a terriable thing happened, shiva does not seem the appropriate response. His emotional speech should be enough to see where he stands.
For Heaven’s sake, some of you speak about shiva and death as if you have no families of your own!If you have children, keep quiet because you never ever know what will happen in the future. Have some compassion for this poor family that they have a son who put them through this anguish and pain.Stop playing the “holier than thou”, self righteous and indignant person because you never know….and should never know. The words you speak remind me of the vicious anti-semites out there.Not one shred of mercy- what the heck is wrong with you people?!!!!! These people, families, Rebbis are in shock and turmoil including the Dweck family and they don’t need disgusting talk to add more salt.They are all bleeding.
father should still treat a dead son like a son sheigetz or not
To #45 and #50 -
His wife is standing by his side and does not want to divorce him. She is currently with him, as are their children.
How can we even think that rabbi dwek did not know what his son was doing.in the beginning he went around raising money for his real estate deals not for deal yeshiva. Now he claims his son decided to be moser on his own. Sorry but that is garbage. He knows the shul will not make him resign and shortly it will blow over. He knew he was giving up people and to think otherwise is to be ignorant of the situation
i wish you all would realize that the rabbi is most certainly demonstrating double standards, regardless of all the sermons he gives, until the rabbi refuses to sit Shivah he is simply demonstrating to the rest of klal yisroel that it is totally acceptable to be an outright musar. its about time that he takes full responsibility in accordance with the Torah, otherwise he is simply no Jewish leader whatsoever.
So the emphasis on his sermon was the disgrace of one jew ratting out on another, and not on the the crimes these Jews commited? Seems backwards to me
His wife pearl is in a predicament ,1) They have claims that they were wronged and it might be legit claims 2) His wife pearl claims that this whole fiasco would not have happened,she claims that this all started when his own uncle started a criminal complain in court against her husband solomon back in 2006 3) like in every case there is one side of the story,then there is the other side of the story,then there is the loshon hora side that is totally false, 4) unpredictable mistakes happened here , Decisions were made under pressure and in heat of the moment that should never have happened 5) so folks keep it cool do not Judge , what does it say in peruk. Al todin es chaivero at shetagia lemkomai” no one is happy with this outcome this story is not yet finished it will evolve and it might even go back in a different direction.
We’ve got a problem here. A goniff is a goniff and deena demalchuseh deena.
they are practicing aveilos…i know for a fact – they are not eating meat, listening to music, doing laundry.on thurs he will sit on the ground & recite kinus.
Rabbi Dwek: I’m Not Sitting Shiva
Why Not ???
1. We only know what we read and hear.
2. What is printed and spoken is by flawed human beings. (Aren’t we all?)
3. We do not know what each of us would do in any of their shoes.
4. We should treat them as we would like to be treated if found in similar circumstances.
5. We should learn lessons and grow from this both individually and as a people.
6. We put people up on their pedestals. Let’s not be so harsh to them when it’s time to take them down; for it is within us all to test the limits of power. Absolute power currupts absolutely.
May Hash-m bless us all with peace, wisdom, health, joy and unity.
how did the press get pictures of the arrest if the FBI didnt turn it into a media circus/setup