Wesley Hills , NY – Some mail thieves are busted in the Wesley Hills section of Ramapo where cops say they caught two men taking mail out of mailboxes with metal cooking tongs. When the car was searched, Detective Lieutenant Brad Widell says they found hundreds of opened letters and checks sorted.
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“I don’t think it was their first night,” said Weidel.
Weidel says the small checks were cashed in Rockland County, but the larger ones were sent to Israel.
“They never even worried about the names on the check. Banks didn’t even necessarily examine whether the checks were made to the particular account holder or not. They just deposited them,” said Weidel.
The two men who are from Brooklyn, now face a whole list of charges, including criminal possession of stolen property.
The public is reminded that the above are mere allegations. Defendants are presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty in a court of law.
Oh no, not another chilul hashem, this will only add salt to the injury, I hope a gemach was not involved in this. In my book this type of behavior is worse then money laundering and human part trafficking….
It is time for the Frum community to get up and yell עד מתי???? We got to have these kind of stories stoped!
why didnt they just take their yarmulkas off??
Listen my friends.
We are going to have take these big smacks in the face until we get our act together.
Somewhere it says that “Yisroel ganovim haym,” or something like that. Some people use that as an excuse to become thieves and robbers and swindlers. What a baby excuse! How immature and yet evil! Thank G-d the vast majority are not thieves or swindlers or robbers.
Thereare thosewho doit in business,in banking, in stocks, in education, in law, in medicine. We better stop them or our children will suffer from the lousy reputation these bums are spreading about the rest of us.
So, if we know someone who is doing that horrible evil stuff, it is our obligation to stop them. We must tell them to stop endangering our children. Yes, our children, because the non Jews around us are going to grow up, thinking a certain way about US. In twenty years, our children will become “us.”
Raboisa I am going to knock on the Bimah in our shul and scream oout with ganovim ,out with gazlonim
I am going to vomit.
As painful as this is, I comment VIN for reporting this and forcing us to deal with this problem. Hakaras hachait is the first step to teshuva
Did you notice he doesn’t shave in the 3 weeks!Sick! Sick! Sick!! ma noimer uma nidaber?
nebboch! prabably very poor, or they wouldn’t do it.
I wait with bated breath for Yair Hoffman’s essay blaming this incident on the erosion of the moral standards of the Rockland County police…
-FFK
RIBOINOI SHEL OILEM….Have you noticed…….it’s the 9 days so he’s not shaving his beard RACHMUNE LITZLON…..the 9 days bother him…….the CHILUL HASHEM OF G-D’S name don’t bother him at all, WHAT A TWISTED DISTORTED LOGIC
” I comment VIN for reporting this “
– and I comment on your comment
The mailbox set them up.
Entrapment I tell you, Entrapment!
Bochurim having bein hazmanim fun. Nebach.
Where do these guys go to cash the checks?
If i go to my bank and my name is Barry Larkin and the check says Bary Larkin, my bank wont cash it because the names dont match.
I am sure that if any “wrong doing” was being perpetrated, it was for good reason, probably to defray the costly expense of yeshiva tuition and other aspects of religious life whose costs are not met by government tax credits or other mechanisms.
Also, the act of taking others’ money and using it for these purposes is a chesed nistar, since probably those whose money was stolen were not current in their ma’aser obligations, so having the money go to tzedakah is a welcome credit to their respective accounts.
Finally, this is all the fault of the oppressors who coerce people to think creatively.
I’ve removed my yarmulke before stepping into a movie so that no one should see me and think that is OK for a frum yid to go to the movie-house. Could someone send out the global message that if you’re going to steal you should at least tuck in the tzitzis and put on a baseball cap?
Ill just say it again…
Unless this comunitty will take drastic swift changes in our rediculously high life style people will continue to turn to these low methods out of desperation to be able to stay afloat and just follow blindly the “OILEM GOILEM”!!!
what are their names?
desperate times call for desperate measures. imagine how these people must be starving nebech to resort to such a petty crime. Hashem Yerachem.
#4
Your comment blew my mind…. How profound a statement!!!
the Gmara says Rov Ganvi Yisroel – (the majority of thievs are jews)
people that steal are not real jews
Every community will unfortunately have gannovim, and we have had them forever, in every generation. What motivates them is unknown, but I believe that some do it out of desperation, some out of the thrill, and other because they are sick. There is no amount of talking or action that can stop those people.
What is preventable, and our community needs to address is those that do “shtick”. In that scenario its not outright stealing, and it’s a series of white lies that are told, to get gov’t handouts or save on taxes. What is the root cause of the shtick. Most of it is perpetrated by individuals that feel that without those funds they cannot survive adequately. If our rent was affordable ie: in comparison to salaries paid, then we would not need to lie to get section 8. If our food bills were affordable, we wouldn’t need to lie for food stamps. If insurance was affordable we wouldn’t need to lie about Medicaid. If tuition was affordable we wouldn’t need to lie to get vouchers.
Our community needs to step up and tell our employers to pay fair wages and 100% on the books. When we can pay rent with 1 weeks salary, like our parents and grandparents did, we wouldn’t need section 8. When employers will pay health insurance we won’t need medicaid. When food suppliers will charge fair prices, we won’t need to lie about food stamps.
The average secretary/receptionist in the heimishe community make less per hour than our polishe goyotes. After paying for sitters there is little left to survive on.
This cycle needs to end!!!
These guys look like these scnorers that make the rounds every morning with fake letters. I am not shocked & surprised. Everybody knows to watch their wallets when guys like this are hanging around the mikva. It cannot be compared to the story that happened last week with well respected people r’l.
This is another product of the acceptability of crime in our circles! We need another letter from the Agudah telling us that Madoff is not so bad and the pilot (who landed his crippled plane on the Hudson River) is not so good, or that the Markey bill will expose our Mosdos to obliteration, or that Rabbi Glanz is a tzaddik despite his stupid misbehavior, or some chizuk for other criminality. With these jerks playing the leaders no wonder the community can’t tell right from wrong anymore.
ppl!!! YOU GOTTA BE THE CHANGE YOU WANT TO SEE IN THE WORLD. this is what G-d wants from us. In order to make the world a better place, we should make ourselves better. Its a fact, it works. I’ve tried it, and i continue to do so.
We can prevent tragedies like this one…
its unfortunate however this is nothing new its been going on for ever the only diffrence is that todays technology age evreything is reported and localized.
what are we going to do about this?now is the time we need real leaders to tell the community to address this problem and not to blame it on antisemitism.
28, your “logic” is some of the worst I have ever seen. So stealing is okay if indirectly it benefits someone in someway. How would you like it if someone killed your child c”v and argued that it was good because it alleviated you of your poverty. I am tired of frum people twisting logic and truth in order to condone crimes. There was no money laundering because it was entrapment. There was no fraud because it was”diversion”. Madoff was a mensch because he didn’t moser.
Nevermind that al tignov is in aseres hadivrot!!! Yet this is less important to these o called frum people than whether or not you are walking with an umbrella on shabbos!!
they also took checks from my mail boxssssss! i cant believe it!
one of them is my neighber and i found out that it was him. too bad i didnt go to the police!
I hope no one is going to compare todays story with the one of late last week. One clear difference at least for me is that whereas the people involved in last week’s story in my view are innocent regardless of the outcome,where here these two ganovim are ganovim period- they were caught stealing and thus caused an unjustified chilul Hashem.
This site’s admonishment at the end of this story (and in prior stories involving Dweck et al) that “Defendants are presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty in a court of law” is true, but has nothing to do with the issue of whether or not visitors to this site may asume that those accused of a crime committed the crime. The presumption of innocence is a rule that applies only in a courtroom where the government is trying to obtain a criminal conviction. The presumption of innocence simply means that a person cannot be convicted of a crime unless the government proves that the accused committed the crime (as opposed to the accused having to prove that he did not commit the crime). The presumption of innocence does not mean that prior to a conviction, I, as a member of the public, must assume that someone accused of a crime did not commit the crime. The only “rule” that I am aware of that addresses that issue is the Torah rule of “hevay dan kol adam lekaf zichus.” Whether that rule applies in the instance of the accused mail thieves or any other accused I will leave to the experts to decide.
I have said this before every type of people Jew no Jews have bad apples this will not change. The real problem is how communities deal with this issue.
In many frum communities, yeshivas someone who went to a movie, reads a secular book like Harry Potter (great books), reading a newspaper gets in more trouble than in caught stealing and or other type of white collar crimes.
When I was in Beis Medreish I had my head almost taken off because I brought a NY Post into the Yeshiva’s dorm, speeches made that it should not happen again.
Yet at the same time the yeshiva was hiding a rov who the police were looking for, for fraud (later convicted and spend a few years in jail). What is a bocher to think, simple movie no good, stealing ok. Also got in trouble going to a movie and yet the next day wanted me to sign papers (lie) so the yeshiva can get money for offering certain programs that did not exist
Until the frum communities get their priorities straight from above or if a grass root effort from below it won’t change.
When the community and robbonin and people will be and show outrage at this actions as they do when someone does not wear a wig, or has a skirt that goes just a little above the knees, music bans (you get the idea) nothing will change.
The community has to change and then change will come to the individual
All meshulachim will now suffer. People are giving less bec. of the economy and now will associate Israeli’s with these thieves. I for one will give tzedaka to organizations and not when I am approached.
The gemara says no such thing. It says that if rov of the people are jews then rov ganvi yisroel.
everything from maddoff thru this is a complete setup, and very soon Obama is going to announce Girush America – 2009,
Reply to 7 what you probly meant Rov Ganvi Yisroel, in any case we need help its very tough out there people have no money to there name and allmost starving so they do crazy things
Wouldn’t it be proper at least in that time to realize, that if any difference appear between two people, (Or Khilos), to solve their difference only by a Beth Din. We want to be they who will be Mekabel A.S.A.P. Mosshiach.
There is profound proof that these men stole. Jewish or not they are human and God created us with such thoughts, it is our duty to learn from this and don’t steal.
הם גנבו גם אצלינו. E new York.
Why is this crime worse than last weeks yeah the pple from last week were wearing a talis kutin? Or because its a shame that they were caught through a mooser? Sorry stealing is stealing according to law and halacha it doesn’t say anywhere that a shaina yid is is allowed to steal from the gov
This is not about being “frum” or not. this is one of the 10 commandments and 7 noah laws…….
No words we really should put locks on our mailboxes!I’m not here 2 judge any1 but just 2 protect ourselves!