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New York - Aguiar Rebuts Rabbi Tropper’s Accusations

Published on: September 8, 2009 03:52 PM
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New York - Following Haartez report that HaRav Leib Tropper, the Rosh Yeshiva of Yeshivas Kol Torah in Monsey, New York, filed a complaint against Guma Aguiar for allegedly threatening to push him out of a ninth-story window, the Brazilian billionaire issued his own account of the incident, According to Israeli Hebrew news site Kikar 

“Between the years 2003 and 2008 Guma Aguiar provided Mr. Tropper approximately $10 million to be distributed among rabbonim, kehilos, social organizations and medical institutions in Israel. The funds were transferred along with a precise list of all of the names of people and institutions the money was intended for and to which the sums were supposed to reach in precise detail.

“Based on an in-depth inquiry conducted last year it was found that most of the organizations the funds were supposed to reach did not receive the money earmarked for them.

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“On Rosh Chodesh Sivan, Guma Aguiar encountered Mr. Tropper unexpectedly at the hotel where he was staying. This took place after a long time period during which Mr. Tropper had avoided giving explanations of where the money had gone to.

“Mr. Aguiar expressed his displeasure and even posed piercing questions in order to find out why the money had yet to reach its intended destination. Mr. Aguiar, in keeping with his ways, did not use a single untoward word.

“Tropper’s attempts to obscure his shameful acts through slander and disseminating lies should be denounced. Tropper must return all of the money taken from Guma Aguiar and transfer it immediately to the institutions and organizations that are so sorely in need of donations and support during these difficult times.

“Guma Aguiar expresses his hopes that the legal authorities will act quickly to compel him to return the money for the sake of the needy and prays that no undue outcome results through his endeavors.”

Regardless of this statement, HaRav Tropper’s accusations have marred Aguiar’s image and the billionaire is unlikely to restore his reputation in the near future.



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 Sep 08, 2009 at 04:38 PM Question Says:

"Regardless of this statement, HaRav Tropper’s accusations have marred Aguiar’s image and the billionaire is unlikely to restore his reputation in the near future."

Ummm, what about R. Tropper's reputation. We have one man saying he was physically asaulted and the other man saying it did not happen, but millions of dollars were "lost". Why is Aguiar reputation tarnished based on hearsay and R. Tropper is not?

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 Sep 08, 2009 at 06:00 PM Anonymous Says:

Rabbi Tropper is single-handedly responsible for hundreds of people having there geirus questioned when top rabbonim were behind them. He is a bully who has earned the condemnation of dozens of top poskim and gedolim. The list of geirus people who he has undone range across the country - Florida, LA NY Chicago.

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 Sep 08, 2009 at 05:57 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
Question Says:

"Regardless of this statement, HaRav Tropper’s accusations have marred Aguiar’s image and the billionaire is unlikely to restore his reputation in the near future."

Ummm, what about R. Tropper's reputation. We have one man saying he was physically asaulted and the other man saying it did not happen, but millions of dollars were "lost". Why is Aguiar reputation tarnished based on hearsay and R. Tropper is not?

Actually Troppers are impossible to prove or disprove. Gumas allegations can be disproved if it is false. So let tropper disprove those allegations and he will be seen as the one who says the truth

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 Sep 08, 2009 at 06:59 PM Mesira-Watch Says:

From what has been reported in both articles by VIN, there have been witnesses (the bell-hop at the hotel and the hotel security) to some of Guma's behavior, and there is this detail Guma purports that Tropper has given him to where the money has gone, and clear evidence if the money has not gone to those places.

I am not sure why it must stay in the realm of speculation. Let each man bring forth his evidence.

Of course, if there is no evidence and only baseless accusations ...

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 Sep 08, 2009 at 07:37 PM Anonymous Says:

The issue of geirus is an extrely comicated issue. There were great gdoilim who encouraged certain rabbonim to be active in gierus even if to the simple eye the proccess looked flawed. The topic of invalidating a geirus that was done with a bies din of three frum yiden is very sensitive.

Tropper stepped where he shouldn't have and presumed to be standing up for toirah but in actuality created a huge mess and chilul hashem

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 Sep 08, 2009 at 08:19 PM moshiach Says:

this Aguiar guy thinks he's Moshiach. Look in the Israeli websites it's all over.

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 Sep 08, 2009 at 10:12 PM Anonymous Says:

When I give tzedoke. Don't need tropper to give, I give it directly to these very needy causes. This story stinks

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 Sep 08, 2009 at 07:58 PM Where is the money? Says:

Where did the money go? Filthy and baseless accusations, I know for a fact that Rabbi Tropper has helped many, many B'nei Torah families here in the US and Israel. How about over two million that he gave out before Pesach, how about almonos and sick people, how about the many yeshivos and Kollelim?? where did the money go?
This Money came from Tom Kaplan not Aguiar. All you people who have no idea of what you're saying should be very careful it is almost Rosh Hashanah and YOU too will be judged.
Tropper is not liked by some rabbis because he blew the whistle on many ignorant RCA Rabonim who were doing phony conversions for money, yes that's right for money. I deal with the peiros of these so called Geirus in my comunity. Wash you mouth befor you speak about Rabbi Tropper's holy work.
Vayiovo Yaakov Sholem

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 Sep 09, 2009 at 07:25 AM monsey man Says:

Reply to #8  
Where is the money? Says:

Where did the money go? Filthy and baseless accusations, I know for a fact that Rabbi Tropper has helped many, many B'nei Torah families here in the US and Israel. How about over two million that he gave out before Pesach, how about almonos and sick people, how about the many yeshivos and Kollelim?? where did the money go?
This Money came from Tom Kaplan not Aguiar. All you people who have no idea of what you're saying should be very careful it is almost Rosh Hashanah and YOU too will be judged.
Tropper is not liked by some rabbis because he blew the whistle on many ignorant RCA Rabonim who were doing phony conversions for money, yes that's right for money. I deal with the peiros of these so called Geirus in my comunity. Wash you mouth befor you speak about Rabbi Tropper's holy work.
Vayiovo Yaakov Sholem

Obviously there is a big effort underway to defend Tropper. In the end, the truth will come out.

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 Sep 09, 2009 at 07:23 AM Anonymous Says:

Tropper took the money from a foundation that was funded by kaplan and aguir. Aguier ran the foundation. He gave the conditions on how it should be spent. Tropper wanted to give the money the way he wanted and not listen to the foundation. When aguiar insisted on reports, tropper get involved in a family dispute and sided with kaplan to try to kick aguiar off the foundation. The case was thrown out in court.

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 Sep 09, 2009 at 07:35 AM Anonymous Says:

Tropper was fired from Ohr by rabbi Noach Weinberg ZT'L who did not like Tropper style of keiruv. one of peiros of Troppr keiruv is Gideon Busch A'H.

In my community Tropper convinced a BT man to leave his wife and two children becaused the woman was not ready yet for charedi lifestyle he then sent the man to BT yeshiva n Isael leaving the mother with no child support.

Tropper is aso known to revoke conversions if the convert chooses Modern Orthodox lifestyle like occasional neglect to cover their hair or trying to pursue a nursing degree in Touro which is an Orthodox program.

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 Sep 09, 2009 at 07:43 AM an accountant Says:

Reply to #8  
Where is the money? Says:

Where did the money go? Filthy and baseless accusations, I know for a fact that Rabbi Tropper has helped many, many B'nei Torah families here in the US and Israel. How about over two million that he gave out before Pesach, how about almonos and sick people, how about the many yeshivos and Kollelim?? where did the money go?
This Money came from Tom Kaplan not Aguiar. All you people who have no idea of what you're saying should be very careful it is almost Rosh Hashanah and YOU too will be judged.
Tropper is not liked by some rabbis because he blew the whistle on many ignorant RCA Rabonim who were doing phony conversions for money, yes that's right for money. I deal with the peiros of these so called Geirus in my comunity. Wash you mouth befor you speak about Rabbi Tropper's holy work.
Vayiovo Yaakov Sholem

Where did the rest 8 million go ?

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 Sep 09, 2009 at 08:00 AM show me the money Says:

Reply to #8  
Where is the money? Says:

Where did the money go? Filthy and baseless accusations, I know for a fact that Rabbi Tropper has helped many, many B'nei Torah families here in the US and Israel. How about over two million that he gave out before Pesach, how about almonos and sick people, how about the many yeshivos and Kollelim?? where did the money go?
This Money came from Tom Kaplan not Aguiar. All you people who have no idea of what you're saying should be very careful it is almost Rosh Hashanah and YOU too will be judged.
Tropper is not liked by some rabbis because he blew the whistle on many ignorant RCA Rabonim who were doing phony conversions for money, yes that's right for money. I deal with the peiros of these so called Geirus in my comunity. Wash you mouth befor you speak about Rabbi Tropper's holy work.
Vayiovo Yaakov Sholem

If troper is indeed as righteous as you say, then surely kal vchomer so is mr aguir - anyone who gives that much of his own money to zedaka is definitely a zaddik of some caliber!!!

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 Sep 09, 2009 at 07:52 AM starwolf Says:

Reply to #8  
Where is the money? Says:

Where did the money go? Filthy and baseless accusations, I know for a fact that Rabbi Tropper has helped many, many B'nei Torah families here in the US and Israel. How about over two million that he gave out before Pesach, how about almonos and sick people, how about the many yeshivos and Kollelim?? where did the money go?
This Money came from Tom Kaplan not Aguiar. All you people who have no idea of what you're saying should be very careful it is almost Rosh Hashanah and YOU too will be judged.
Tropper is not liked by some rabbis because he blew the whistle on many ignorant RCA Rabonim who were doing phony conversions for money, yes that's right for money. I deal with the peiros of these so called Geirus in my comunity. Wash you mouth befor you speak about Rabbi Tropper's holy work.
Vayiovo Yaakov Sholem

I find it ironic that this poster would find fault with people critical of his favorite Rabbi, while in the same post referring to "ignorant RCA Rabonim". As far as conversion policy goes, Rabbi Tropper is not the final word--not everyone follows his views.
The policy of nullifying conversions by other Rabbanim is one that will cause a split in Orthodox Jewry--hardly conducive to Torah.

As far as following the money goes, it is a good idea for any charitable foundation to have open books. That way, there is no problem with accountability. I wonder- Does Rabbi Tropper follow this policy?

If Aguiar did donate money to Rabbi Tropper's foundation, he certainly has a right to ask how the money was spent.

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 Sep 09, 2009 at 08:55 AM Anonymous Says:

In the past nullifying conversions was done only in extreme cases of agunus and mamzerim. Now thanks to Tropper nullifying conversions become a political weapon which the kanoyim are using against other Jews.

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 Sep 09, 2009 at 08:43 AM Heshy Says:

As one who lives in Monsey and knows Rabbi Tropper. I will just add that he leads a modest lifestyle and as far as I know married into some $$. So IMHO it is very unlikely that he pocketed the millions as some here might be implying. I know that when I needed his help he was there for me, thats all I can say.

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 Sep 09, 2009 at 10:20 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #15  
Anonymous Says:

In the past nullifying conversions was done only in extreme cases of agunus and mamzerim. Now thanks to Tropper nullifying conversions become a political weapon which the kanoyim are using against other Jews.

geirim is only the tip of the iceberg..

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 Sep 09, 2009 at 10:54 AM Anonymous Says:

tropper was one of the rabbi responsible for the slifkin book ban, althought that was rescinded by r' elyashiv shlita as baseless, after he learned the info he recieved was false

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 Sep 09, 2009 at 11:03 AM where is the money Says:

Reply to #14  
starwolf Says:

I find it ironic that this poster would find fault with people critical of his favorite Rabbi, while in the same post referring to "ignorant RCA Rabonim". As far as conversion policy goes, Rabbi Tropper is not the final word--not everyone follows his views.
The policy of nullifying conversions by other Rabbanim is one that will cause a split in Orthodox Jewry--hardly conducive to Torah.

As far as following the money goes, it is a good idea for any charitable foundation to have open books. That way, there is no problem with accountability. I wonder- Does Rabbi Tropper follow this policy?

If Aguiar did donate money to Rabbi Tropper's foundation, he certainly has a right to ask how the money was spent.

Dear StarWolf you sound more like a Herring than a Wolf. Yes, Rabbi Tropper follows the principle of bussiness ethics. Call up his Yeshiva and ask if they have an open book policy. 845 425 3863. Also ask them how much does he make, you would be surprised to know how much he makes, a meager salary. Rabbi Tropper does not claim to be the final authority on conversion neither does he perform conversions, rather he refers Geirum to trustworthy Batei Dinim who are talmidei Chachomin and who are also Yirei Shomaim, people who know Halacha and who are not going to be paid off by Shochad by their Jewish spouse.
Also no one is finding faults with those critical of Rabbi Tropper, people find fault with blatant LIES and character assassination. Aval, Yieish din V'yeish dayan!

And No, I do not work for rabbi Tropper, but yes, I do have hakoras Hatov for all the Chesed that he has done for me and thousand others.
Vayiovo Yaakov Sholem

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 Sep 09, 2009 at 10:28 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #11  
Anonymous Says:

Tropper was fired from Ohr by rabbi Noach Weinberg ZT'L who did not like Tropper style of keiruv. one of peiros of Troppr keiruv is Gideon Busch A'H.

In my community Tropper convinced a BT man to leave his wife and two children becaused the woman was not ready yet for charedi lifestyle he then sent the man to BT yeshiva n Isael leaving the mother with no child support.

Tropper is aso known to revoke conversions if the convert chooses Modern Orthodox lifestyle like occasional neglect to cover their hair or trying to pursue a nursing degree in Touro which is an Orthodox program.

from rabbi troppers yeshiva he has talmidim that are rabonim magidei shiur kollel yungerleit and real bnei torah his percentage of fall outs is zero compare to a certain kiruv organization which they say they have a 40% fallout so whos mehalech is right

the rebono shel olem told noach go build a teiva that klal yisroel should ask him what this is all about and he should tell them that there is a big mabil coming and everything will get destroyed . For 120 years noach knocked nails with wood that people should come ask him what he is doing my question to you is why didnt noach go from door to door with tefilin or esrog and lulav and the answer for that is because the only way to be successful in kiruv is if they come to you and they ask and they want to know and they want to learn.


that is why rabbi tropper is so matzliach in his avodas hakodesh and also look at his kuntres in kiruv with all the haskomes from our gedolim hashem should help him in everything he does vcheifetz hashem byedchem yatzliach

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 Sep 09, 2009 at 01:03 PM tipish m'tupish Says:

I happen to know many cases involving Leib Tropper in which he takes nakumah on anyone he doesn't like. I know a boy who was getting engaged, and who had turned down Trooper's request for a large donation, Tropper called his boss and got him fired, then called his kallah's father and told him that the boy was a thief and a liar, and even said he didn't know that the boy was jewish at all (he was a baal tshivah) I myself dovined there one shabbos, and heard him say that if a person believes that you don't need to go to a ruv for anything other than halacha (like for example where to send your kids to cheder), then the person is an apikoiris and if he signs a get, the get is pussel!
he harrasses anyone who disagrees with him, including yesumim, almunos, gerim...the list goes on an on

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 Sep 09, 2009 at 03:34 PM Anonymous Says:

You can judge a rav by its students. If you go and talk to students in Kol Yaakov you will hear them calling Modern orthodox, Conservative and Reform Jews “Shkotzim”, they call people who support the state of Israel “Idolatry worshippers”, they call people who do not share their kashrus standards “ochlei Nevelos” and Modern Orthodox girls “zonos”. This is from people who less than a year ago were eating bacon cheeseburgers

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 Sep 09, 2009 at 04:23 PM mel Says:

Do you think for one second that Rav Lieb Tropper Shlita would start this whole thing with Aguilar if he knew that Aguilar could come back and accuse him of this terrible crime, of not appropiating 10 MIILION DOLLARS correctly,REALLY????????. Aguilar is treing to prevent himself of being convicted of attemted murder or aggrevated assault . Hey u have a Gmara kup cant u chap it? ZAI NISHT KAIN NAR

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 Sep 09, 2009 at 05:08 PM Monsey Askan Says:

As one who lives in Monsey and knows Rabbi Tropper. I will just add that he leads a modest lifestyle and as far as I Know
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What a chochom! he has the yeshiva own his house so it does not pay a thing. How do you think he pays for his first class trips around the world and staying in fancy hotels. Tropper does live large and the question is who finances him.

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 Sep 09, 2009 at 05:16 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #23  
mel Says:

Do you think for one second that Rav Lieb Tropper Shlita would start this whole thing with Aguilar if he knew that Aguilar could come back and accuse him of this terrible crime, of not appropiating 10 MIILION DOLLARS correctly,REALLY????????. Aguilar is treing to prevent himself of being convicted of attemted murder or aggrevated assault . Hey u have a Gmara kup cant u chap it? ZAI NISHT KAIN NAR

He thought that with his beard hat and jacket, and title, people wouldn't believe him.

I know somone who told me that they had a terrible expereince with him. I never really believd it. With all these posts here, i do now.

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 Sep 09, 2009 at 05:21 PM Anonymous Says:

If Tropper is innocent he should not worry he just hand Aguiar a list of all mosodos the money went to. (Hopefully no UBS accounts)

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 Sep 09, 2009 at 05:31 PM Anonymous Says:

Am I the only one that notices the look on Aguiar's face? It has the look of an honest wholesome person. Of course I could be dead wrong, but it makes for wondering....

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 Sep 09, 2009 at 08:29 PM Anonymous Says:

Aguiars uncle and nemisis Howard kaplan is the chairman of troppers org.

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 Sep 09, 2009 at 10:32 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #18  
Anonymous Says:

tropper was one of the rabbi responsible for the slifkin book ban, althought that was rescinded by r' elyashiv shlita as baseless, after he learned the info he recieved was false

When exactly did Maran rescind it,quite the contrary is true.

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 Sep 10, 2009 at 06:22 AM al eile ani bochia Says:

Tropper destroyed so many Jewish families, from parents where their son is not allowed to talk to them, The BT where their reputation was ruined, the single mother where Tropper told her husband to leave her and her two children, the converts where their conversion was revoked for minor indiscretions and the list go on.

The fact that he is permitted to operate reminds me the story of Kamtza and Bar Kamtza where the rabbis let the party host insult Bar Kamtza.

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 Sep 10, 2009 at 08:18 PM Chicago Boy Says:

Tropper forged anti Rabbi Bomzer/ Anti RCA letter and used the names of Rabbi Moshe Soloveitchik of Chicago and Rabbi Naphtoli Borenstien of Cleveland. They had to publish letter distancing themselves from him

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 Sep 24, 2009 at 09:26 PM Estie Says:

Lashon HaRa in Elul...interesting. Would not expect this on a Haredi site.
(Not talking about the article, which is just news, but the almost 30 comments bashing a Yid)
I personally have nothing but good things to say about Rabbi Tropper. I have benefited from some of his chareties and met many people that he mekarieved...
Regardless of your opinion of him, though, he is a Jew. And a website is no place for you to post your negative experiences and opinions of him. There is always controversy in the Jewish community--its certainly your right to disagree with Rabbi Tropper. But generally speaking he is well respected and a huge talmid chachim. Even if he weren't... who are you all to post bad stories about him (that you HEARD...notice none of you said it happened to you... so now we have 3 or 4 Jews involved in this avayra... And I hope none of you believed it!!! Add one more to the list).

I know my post was long overdue, but I hope you all see it anyway. Shana tova.

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 Oct 08, 2009 at 11:45 AM nuni Says:

Reply to #22  
Anonymous Says:

You can judge a rav by its students. If you go and talk to students in Kol Yaakov you will hear them calling Modern orthodox, Conservative and Reform Jews “Shkotzim”, they call people who support the state of Israel “Idolatry worshippers”, they call people who do not share their kashrus standards “ochlei Nevelos” and Modern Orthodox girls “zonos”. This is from people who less than a year ago were eating bacon cheeseburgers

hahahahaha. "less than a year ago eating bacon cheeseburgers". haha you are funny how righeous, the unrighteous get.

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 Dec 14, 2009 at 02:56 PM JDB Says:

Rabbi Tropper did many good things for me, all for free. He made be a BT 30 years ago. I don't know wht the accusations stem from, but I have never found Reb Leibs to be motivated by money.

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 Dec 21, 2009 at 10:32 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #19  
where is the money Says:

Dear StarWolf you sound more like a Herring than a Wolf. Yes, Rabbi Tropper follows the principle of bussiness ethics. Call up his Yeshiva and ask if they have an open book policy. 845 425 3863. Also ask them how much does he make, you would be surprised to know how much he makes, a meager salary. Rabbi Tropper does not claim to be the final authority on conversion neither does he perform conversions, rather he refers Geirum to trustworthy Batei Dinim who are talmidei Chachomin and who are also Yirei Shomaim, people who know Halacha and who are not going to be paid off by Shochad by their Jewish spouse.
Also no one is finding faults with those critical of Rabbi Tropper, people find fault with blatant LIES and character assassination. Aval, Yieish din V'yeish dayan!

And No, I do not work for rabbi Tropper, but yes, I do have hakoras Hatov for all the Chesed that he has done for me and thousand others.
Vayiovo Yaakov Sholem

Ah, but now the truth has in fact come out? still believe in him?

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 Dec 31, 2009 at 06:33 AM Anonymous Says:

Rabbi Tropper has helped many a lost yiddishe neshama find there way back home. I attended Kol Yakov in the mid eighties Rabbi Tropper and the yeshiva flew and chartered a Mazel bus to attend my chasana in Cleveland. Fast forward 25 years I now have thank G-d a true eishes chayil as a wife and a beautiful jewish family of 5 children including 2 married children and grandchildren.

I am not unique in this regard. I know so many others like myself that had the opportunity to learn in Kol Yakov. Without Rabbi Tropper I may have never been afforded the wonderful opportunity or been granted exposure to the beauty and warmth of our rich Torah heritage. Rabbi Tropper has certainly helped pave the way for me and hundreds of others like myself to build and perpetuate many future generations of klal yisroel.

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