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Netanya - Conflict Between Kolel Students Leavs One Yeshiva Man Dead

Published on: September 9, 2009 07:40 AM
Last updated on: September 9, 2009 11:06 AM
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Netanya, Israel - A 24-year-old resident of Netanya was stabbed to death Wednesday before dawn during a fight that took place in the city center.

The man, Duvid Manshrov A"H, was evacuated by Magen David Adom paramedics to Laniado Hospital in moderate to serious condition after being mixed up in a brawl on Prof. Shor Street near his Kolel yeshiva building. He succumbed to his wounds and was pronounced dead at the hospital shortly thereafter.

Police arrested two suspects, aged 22 and 35, also residents of Netanya, in connection with the death.

An initial investigation revealed that the stabbing was related to a conflict between three students of the nearby kolel yeshiva. Police have ruled out any connection between the stabbing and recent conflicts between noted crime families in the city. The three men involved were known to police from past incidents.

Witnesses to the altercation said they heard the suspects telling the victim that “What you did was not Jewish.” **Update** Twenty-four-year-old David Mansharov was stabbed to death by yeshiva students Avi Ben-Naim (22) and Yitzhak Hanuka (25). The victim and the suspects all studied and lived at Rabbi Amos Gueta’s yeshiva, located near the scene of the crime. Investigators estimated that the fight erupted following an ongoing argument over a halachic ruling. Neighbors who witnessed the incident said they heard the suspected assailants yell, “What you did was not Jewish” in Mansharov’s direction. A black kippah and a blunt object, which was apparently used to kill Mansharov, were found at the scene. The two suspects, police said, are exercising their right to remain silent. The court extended their remand by eight days.



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 Sep 09, 2009 at 06:51 AM anonymous Says:

Oy meh hoyo lonu?? Who needs Arabs to kill us?
We must ask ourselves why is this happening? Instead of worrying about assering concerts and other past related issues the Rabbonim should immediately stud in-depth how this could happen. Instaed of Kol Hamikayem nefesh achas , what happens to us if we KILL nefesh achas??? Hashem Yerachem. Instead of protesting with Violrence let us realizae Violence brings violence. ZThe chilul Hashem rachmono litzlon!!!!!!!!!!

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 Sep 09, 2009 at 07:48 AM aron Says:

There is too much missing from the story. I know that "kollel student" and stabbing are great for headlines but there is much to this story that needs explaining. The story mentions that the 3 were known to police. Ahah, sounds like an interesting kolel to me. Also the last comment "you didn't do a jewish thing" does not sound like he davend shachris after zmaan tefilah. One more note... This is not related to the wonderful Sanz community in Natanya

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 Sep 09, 2009 at 07:44 AM Anonymous Says:

If some of these people were preoccupied with earning an honest living instead of being kolel leaches perhaps we would all be better off.

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 Sep 09, 2009 at 08:25 AM yossele Says:

col talmid chochom she ein bo daas, neveyla tova mimenu

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 Sep 09, 2009 at 08:21 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
Anonymous Says:

If some of these people were preoccupied with earning an honest living instead of being kolel leaches perhaps we would all be better off.

you would have said the same thing about rashi in the eleventh century

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 Sep 09, 2009 at 08:17 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #2  
aron Says:

There is too much missing from the story. I know that "kollel student" and stabbing are great for headlines but there is much to this story that needs explaining. The story mentions that the 3 were known to police. Ahah, sounds like an interesting kolel to me. Also the last comment "you didn't do a jewish thing" does not sound like he davend shachris after zmaan tefilah. One more note... This is not related to the wonderful Sanz community in Natanya

Great points i was about to make them myself. Thumbs up! Umacha hashem dimah meial kol ponim.

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 Sep 09, 2009 at 08:06 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
Anonymous Says:

If some of these people were preoccupied with earning an honest living instead of being kolel leaches perhaps we would all be better off.

Kollel leeches ? Wow you really know about the power of torah

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 Sep 09, 2009 at 07:52 AM Kollel life Says:

Wow! What kollel was this? How much do they pay? What kind of chaburos are they giving here?
Maybe they were fighting that the kollel check didn't come in?

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 Sep 09, 2009 at 08:28 AM chief doofis Says:

Reply to #3  
Anonymous Says:

If some of these people were preoccupied with earning an honest living instead of being kolel leaches perhaps we would all be better off.

I am not a great fan of kollel (for every one, I believe it's for a select few) . However, I'm sure that 99.99% of those who attend bonafide kollelim are not the type who stab people. By the way, if you are one of the educated types, so critical of kollel people, leech is spelled with two "e's"!

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 Sep 09, 2009 at 09:06 AM fahrfrumt Says:

Reply to #5  
Anonymous Says:

you would have said the same thing about rashi in the eleventh century

#3's comment was a foolish statement. Absolutely the wrong time and place to take out his vengeance on the kollel system. But you are mistaken about Rashi and the rest of the rishonim. They all made an honest living. They didn't live off the klal.

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 Sep 09, 2009 at 08:47 AM an Says:

he was a recent "chozer bteshuva" and was "known" by the police

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 Sep 09, 2009 at 08:42 AM Mendy Says:

Reply to #5  
Anonymous Says:

you would have said the same thing about rashi in the eleventh century

Um, for your information, Rashi refused to take payment for his avodah b'Torah and earned his living as a vintner -- a winemaker. Historically our Sages have always stressed earning a responsible living for one's family, and most of the names familiar to us from the Talmud held jobs that had nothing to do with learning Torah. I know that probably comes as a shock to those whose yeshiva education consisted of little or no Jewish history.

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 Sep 09, 2009 at 08:33 AM #3 meant 2 say: Says:

Reply to #7  
Anonymous Says:

Kollel leeches ? Wow you really know about the power of torah

kollel "teaches"

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 Sep 09, 2009 at 09:31 AM formally Says:

the story is lacking in details

simply the police said they know of these guys, shows me they where trouble makers, probably

While I am no Heridie/Kollel defender, from one killing one cannot make any assumption on the whole. There has to be a pattern to make any claims against Kollel.

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 Sep 09, 2009 at 09:26 AM formally Says:

Reply to #12  
Mendy Says:

Um, for your information, Rashi refused to take payment for his avodah b'Torah and earned his living as a vintner -- a winemaker. Historically our Sages have always stressed earning a responsible living for one's family, and most of the names familiar to us from the Talmud held jobs that had nothing to do with learning Torah. I know that probably comes as a shock to those whose yeshiva education consisted of little or no Jewish history.

true

not sure when but kollel as far as I know is a new invention not sure how many years ago but i guess a hundred or two years ago

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 Sep 09, 2009 at 09:17 AM torahyid Says:

with all due respect to real b.ts, these were obviously bts who had not disconnected from their secular upbringing.

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 Sep 09, 2009 at 10:10 AM details .... Says:

the details are as followes: this is a kolel for inmates and other problemetic people that come there during late evening hours and learn drink coffee and so on.

No one looks who you are or what your background is come enjoy stay or leave it so happens to be that the rotzeach finished a 3 year sentance just amonth ago and so did the victim do a jail sentance so this is not realy the kolel yungerlait that we know

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 Sep 09, 2009 at 10:25 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #11  
an Says:

he was a recent "chozer bteshuva" and was "known" by the police

I believe #11 has a very good point.Maybe he just came into the frum community because he was hiding from something.hmmm

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 Sep 09, 2009 at 09:41 AM Anonymous Says:

At this time of year are we not all B.T.'s. Shame on you. We are all sinners and hopefully strive to become baalei teshuva.

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 Sep 09, 2009 at 12:20 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #19  
Anonymous Says:

At this time of year are we not all B.T.'s. Shame on you. We are all sinners and hopefully strive to become baalei teshuva.

That was slightly missing the point.The majority of BT's (my parents are BT) are genuine and people of good virtue.BUT unfortunately in this day and age there is a new phenomenon of people who are running away from something and can "get lost" in the frum community.It happens,there are many a crazy story.You have to ask yourself - would a genuine erlich yid behave in this manner?

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 Sep 09, 2009 at 06:21 PM Anonymous Says:

Pirkey Avos Perek Sheini, Mishna Bais

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 Sep 09, 2009 at 06:35 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #17  
details .... Says:

the details are as followes: this is a kolel for inmates and other problemetic people that come there during late evening hours and learn drink coffee and so on.

No one looks who you are or what your background is come enjoy stay or leave it so happens to be that the rotzeach finished a 3 year sentance just amonth ago and so did the victim do a jail sentance so this is not realy the kolel yungerlait that we know

oy, is drinking coffee bad now? when did this happen? luckily i don't drink coffee but now I worry about all the coffee drinkers I know. i have to go and call my coffee drinking family and friends and hopefully they'll daven hard this Rosh Hashana and Yom Kippur so that the desire for coffee leaves them.
it scares me to even ask what your "and so on" refers to.

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 Sep 09, 2009 at 07:48 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #10  
fahrfrumt Says:

#3's comment was a foolish statement. Absolutely the wrong time and place to take out his vengeance on the kollel system. But you are mistaken about Rashi and the rest of the rishonim. They all made an honest living. They didn't live off the klal.

Rashi was a vintner, or wine maker. I don't think he got a kollel check or expected others to support him. And look what he accomplished!

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 Sep 09, 2009 at 08:08 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #5  
Anonymous Says:

you would have said the same thing about rashi in the eleventh century

Rashi made his living from growing grapes and making wine. He, like most of the chachamim, learned Torah AND worked. He leeched off of no one.

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 Sep 10, 2009 at 08:07 AM FAL Says:

Not everyone with a kippah on his head is a decent person. Not everyone with a kippah on his head acts appropriately. Not everyone with a kippah on his head should condone the anti social actions of the next guy just because he does have a kippah on his head and condemn others because they dont wear one.

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