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Melbourne - Australian Orthodox Rabbi Gives Yoga a Uniquely Jewish Twist

Published on: December 6, 2009 12:46 PM
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Rabbi Laibl (R) and his son, (L) Menachem, is the director of 'Spiritgrow', a centre and shul for Jewish people who are detached from their roots and drawn to Melbourne - YOGA, the ancient spiritual and physical discipline that originated in India and is now a worldwide phenomenon, is not an activity that is usually associated with the orthodox Jewish Chabad Lubavitch movement. Rabbi Dr. Laibl Wolf , however, has taken this ancient meditative practice and given it a uniquely Jewish twist. He has done so by merging much of the basic philosophy of yoga with the basic teachings of Jewish mysticism, or Kabbalah. The end result is something that he calls Mind Yoga, which is trademarked.

Dr. Laibl Wolf is a lawyer, educational psychologist, orthodox rabbi and expert on Jewish mysticism and meditation. Based in Melbourne, Australia, he is the son of Polish Holocaust survivors, the author of the book Practical Kabbalah and the founder of the Human Development Institute. This institute, according to its website, is “dedicated to the progress of humankind through insight and personal mastery.”

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The idea of personal mastery is one of the main concepts of Mind Yoga. Through this discipline, individuals learn how to tap into Kabbalah in order to master their mind and emotions, achieve spiritual enlightenment and empower their lives. Mind Yoga teaches adherents to eliminate negativity in their lives, find balance between their emotional and physical selves and better understand the motivations behind their often conflicting and controlling thoughts, emotions and behaviours. Many of these same lessons are inherent in standard yoga practice.

“Yoga is an eastern compilation of earlier Indian-based wisdoms,” explains Rabbi Wolf. “Many of these early wisdoms arose from Abrahamic teachings that originated in the Middle East in the person of Abraham and travelled east.

“Not all eastern teaching is to be identified with Kabbalah,” he adds, “but you will find many of the original truths of creation, as expounded in Kabbalah, in aspects of yoga, Hinduism, Buddhism and others.”

Rabbi Wolf developed Mind Yoga, in part, because he saw so many young Jewish adults, ironically, drifting over to these eastern teachings.

“My inspiration was the estrangement of Jews from their spiritual roots,” he explains.

This estrangement pushed many of them into the arms of eastern religions and practices. Mind Yoga, combined with other Kabbalah teachings, has helped Judaism welcome many of them back.

Rabbi Wolf extrapolated on the practices and origins of Mind Yoga, and also demonstrated many of its techniques, when he was in Winnipeg last month as a guest of the Jewish Learning Institute (JLI). The JLI is the adult education arm of Winnipeg’s Chabad Lubavitch movement.

The positive response to Rabbi Wolf’s visit, his second to Winnipeg, reflects the burgeoning interest among Jews, as well as people of other faiths, in spiritualism, mysticism and finding a deeper meaning in life. Similarly, unprecedented interest in a six-week Soul Quest course currently underway at the JLI reflects a widespread desire among both observant and non-observant Jews to expand their knowledge and connection to abstract ideas and interpretations of Jewish thought.

“There is a tremendous thirst and curiosity for Jewish mysticism and the teachings of Kabbalah,” says Rabbi Shmuly Altein, director of the Jewish Learning Institute. “JLI’s SoulQuest has close to 50 students enrolled and has thus far been an incredible success.”

Rabbi Wolf echoes this observation. “There is a definite and profound rise in interest by people to deepen their lives,” he says.

This interest may be a result of a number of factors, including the emergence of the global village, daily chasms, geopolitical schisms and a basic human quest for meaning.

“This quest can lead down many different spiritual pathways,” he adds, “one of which is Kabbalah.”

Kabbalah is a 4,000-year-old body of spiritual wisdom. Yoga is a 3,000-year-old body of physical and mental wisdom. By merging the two into Mind Yoga, Rabbi Wolf has created a new-age concept deeply rooted in ancient teachings and traditions and committed to helping people find harmony and wholeness in modern times.



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 Dec 06, 2009 at 01:14 PM Yid Says:

Rav Elyashiv shlita has strong reservations about the use of Eastern techniques, some of which are clearcut avoda zara, whereas others may be darchei Emori and hence also forbidden. His talmid muvhak, Rav Morgenstern shlita, has given shiurim about these halachic issues and is against many of these practices.

Rav Yaakov Hillel shlita, the foremost known mekubal, holds that these come from a 'foreign' spiritual source and have no true makor, or source, in Kabbalah. Caveat emptor, i.e. buyer beware!

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 Dec 06, 2009 at 01:42 PM Minnsota Says:

I thought this sort of thing was assur. We had a lady from EY that would come to teach Torah Yoga. But, the Lubs here said this was trief and to stay away?!

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 Dec 06, 2009 at 01:45 PM Frum Yoga Teachers Says:

Dear Yid,

In addition to being a certified yoga teacher and a musmach who has studied Kaballah at the highest levels, with all due respect to Rabbi Morgenstern, he hasn't the faintest idea what he is talking about.

The spiritual scriptures of Yoga very closely parallel the writings of the Ari"zal and confirm in my mind the concept that Avraham sent these concepts to the East with the children of Keturah.

It has been my experience the people who are so quick to judge are the ones who know the least. If someone had actually talked to a knowing source, the banning of the Indian hair wigs would never have happened.

There is no avodah zara in any modern yoga practice.

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 Dec 06, 2009 at 02:25 PM Saw him this morning Says:

I just saw him speak just this morning. Although he seemed in a hurry to catch his flight back to Australia his presentation was interesting and definitely worthwhile!

By the way, nobody is worshiping Baal when they're practicing Yoga.

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 Dec 06, 2009 at 02:26 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
Frum Yoga Teachers Says:

Dear Yid,

In addition to being a certified yoga teacher and a musmach who has studied Kaballah at the highest levels, with all due respect to Rabbi Morgenstern, he hasn't the faintest idea what he is talking about.

The spiritual scriptures of Yoga very closely parallel the writings of the Ari"zal and confirm in my mind the concept that Avraham sent these concepts to the East with the children of Keturah.

It has been my experience the people who are so quick to judge are the ones who know the least. If someone had actually talked to a knowing source, the banning of the Indian hair wigs would never have happened.

There is no avodah zara in any modern yoga practice.

but there ARE "foreign" powers....

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 Dec 06, 2009 at 02:34 PM Frum Yoga Teachers Says:

Reply to #5  
Anonymous Says:

but there ARE "foreign" powers....

Interesting, Hindu scriptures are as strict as we are regarding monotheism.

They have a problem with the cherubim and all the references to angels including Yaakov wrestling with an angel.

How can you wrestle with something connected to the Divine.

Give them a break and check out the book "From Benares to Jerusalem" for a comparison between Torah and Vedic scriptures.

It's not avodah zara.

The only "foreign" power I know is Iran.

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 Dec 06, 2009 at 02:54 PM Anonymous Says:

R' Wolf was personally instructed by the Rebbe z'tl to teach mysticism.

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 Dec 06, 2009 at 04:46 PM yoga yid Says:

i'm wondering if leibl wolf is just teaching the meditational parts of yoga, or also the breathing (prana) and actual body movements/postures (asanas) that we in the west so identify with yoga.

for such a long-time practised discipline, yoga has expressed itself in many forms and beliefs -- some that cohere with yiddishkeit, some that don't. It takes the mumcheh to know what is kosher and what is not. In the '70s the Lubavitcher Rebbe encouraged incorporating some eastern practices, so long as it was approved by a panel of experts as being al pi torah. The rebbe also said that this was in order to combat the youth who were being influenced by its avodah zoro versions. The rebbe instructed Dr. Yehudah Landes of California in detail how to do this. But in this case, it was about meditation, not body movements.

There are several frum yidden that have developed and been teaching kosher forms of yoga , some (like a Lubavitcher in Montreal) even incorporating the alef-beis in various body postures & kavonos. This is not new at at

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 Dec 06, 2009 at 05:10 PM Anonymous Says:

#3: According to the Medrash, Avraham gave the Bnei Ketura all his knowledge of Kishuf and Kochos Hatuma, (Sheim Tumah Masar Lahem) so they should take it far away to the East and away from Yitzchok and his descendants.

#6, Hindus believe in many many gods, they are as far from monotheism as you can get.

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 Dec 06, 2009 at 06:07 PM Milhouse Says:

Reply to #2  
Minnsota Says:

I thought this sort of thing was assur. We had a lady from EY that would come to teach Torah Yoga. But, the Lubs here said this was trief and to stay away?!

"This sort of thing" is assur, if it's coming from kochos hatum'ah. One has to be very careful with "this sort of thing", and know what one is doing. The difference is that Laibl Wolf DOES know what he is doing, and knows enough to "eat the inside and throw away the rind". If you learn from a kosher master like him, then you know that what you are getting is 100% pure, with none of the tum'ah mixed in.

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 Dec 06, 2009 at 06:35 PM shalom Says:

Reply to #1  
Yid Says:

Rav Elyashiv shlita has strong reservations about the use of Eastern techniques, some of which are clearcut avoda zara, whereas others may be darchei Emori and hence also forbidden. His talmid muvhak, Rav Morgenstern shlita, has given shiurim about these halachic issues and is against many of these practices.

Rav Yaakov Hillel shlita, the foremost known mekubal, holds that these come from a 'foreign' spiritual source and have no true makor, or source, in Kabbalah. Caveat emptor, i.e. buyer beware!

Rav Elyashiv,has strong reservations about everything..and is machmor on everything.what does Rav Elyashiv know about Eastern meditation...

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 Dec 06, 2009 at 06:37 PM moshe Says:

Reply to #2  
Minnsota Says:

I thought this sort of thing was assur. We had a lady from EY that would come to teach Torah Yoga. But, the Lubs here said this was trief and to stay away?!

have you ever heard of raising up the sparks of holiness..

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 Dec 06, 2009 at 06:47 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
Yid Says:

Rav Elyashiv shlita has strong reservations about the use of Eastern techniques, some of which are clearcut avoda zara, whereas others may be darchei Emori and hence also forbidden. His talmid muvhak, Rav Morgenstern shlita, has given shiurim about these halachic issues and is against many of these practices.

Rav Yaakov Hillel shlita, the foremost known mekubal, holds that these come from a 'foreign' spiritual source and have no true makor, or source, in Kabbalah. Caveat emptor, i.e. buyer beware!

I would be skeptical to listen to anything that Rav elyashiv says,he looks like he's always angry.Rav elyashiv doesn't care about am yisroel only about himself and his many chumrahs that he levels on am yisroel to make him feel good about how holy he is.I dont think that Rav Elyashiv gives other people the benefit of the doubt,and i'm sure that he brings a lot of din on Am Yisroel becuase of his strict machmere views on everything...

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 Dec 06, 2009 at 06:48 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #9  
Anonymous Says:

#3: According to the Medrash, Avraham gave the Bnei Ketura all his knowledge of Kishuf and Kochos Hatuma, (Sheim Tumah Masar Lahem) so they should take it far away to the East and away from Yitzchok and his descendants.

#6, Hindus believe in many many gods, they are as far from monotheism as you can get.

but everything needs a tikun,if we are able to ,thats our job...

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 Dec 06, 2009 at 07:21 PM Anonymous Says:

But how are we gonna stay in shape if not this great yoga stuff. I wanna be able to still walk when I'm 80

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 Dec 06, 2009 at 07:21 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #11  
shalom Says:

Rav Elyashiv,has strong reservations about everything..and is machmor on everything.what does Rav Elyashiv know about Eastern meditation...

Elyashiv has reached the point where he will sign any chumrah that one of his gabboim put in front of him without reading it or knowing anything about the subject. There have been mulitiple situations reported here on VIN where he signs somthing and then claims he was misled by others or did not fully comprehend the facts of the situation. Yoga has nothing to do with avodah zorah and can be adopted by even the most frumme yidden to acheive a peacefulness in their lives and improve the physical and spiritual well being.

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 Dec 06, 2009 at 07:43 PM Anonymous Says:

everyday more actitives become not kosher or not the jewish way. we should all sit and do nothing and be fat that would solve everythng . becuase every one would drop dead from all the crap that's in a jews diet

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 Dec 06, 2009 at 07:42 PM Frum Yoga Teacher Says:

Reply to #9  
Anonymous Says:

#3: According to the Medrash, Avraham gave the Bnei Ketura all his knowledge of Kishuf and Kochos Hatuma, (Sheim Tumah Masar Lahem) so they should take it far away to the East and away from Yitzchok and his descendants.

#6, Hindus believe in many many gods, they are as far from monotheism as you can get.

Hindus believe in one G-d same as we do. Any thought to the contrary is just ignorance. Besides, didn't Chazal say there is no longer Avoda Zara in our day?

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 Dec 06, 2009 at 07:52 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #13  
Anonymous Says:

I would be skeptical to listen to anything that Rav elyashiv says,he looks like he's always angry.Rav elyashiv doesn't care about am yisroel only about himself and his many chumrahs that he levels on am yisroel to make him feel good about how holy he is.I dont think that Rav Elyashiv gives other people the benefit of the doubt,and i'm sure that he brings a lot of din on Am Yisroel becuase of his strict machmere views on everything...

how about r yaakov hillel? rip him as well. he's always smiling and isnt machmir but i'm sure you can find something cuz hes a talmid chochom and you hate talmidei chachomim.

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 Dec 06, 2009 at 08:16 PM What chutzpah Says:

What chutzpah! There is no question as to who is the Gadol HaDor, and there is no question amongst serious Torah scholars as to the halachic credentials of his right-hand man, Rav Morgenstern shlita. There is also no question that Hinduism is clearcut avoda zara. I personally know more than one Hindu who has a shrine in the home which includes idols, and they offer incense, bow before the idol and do other forms of avoda zara on a daily basis. Whether or not someone claims that there is an overriding "god" for all their myriad of gods is irrelevant.

As for darchei Emori, there are acts which are clearly forbidden due to the halachic concept of darchei Emori. Many of the New Age and more classical Eastern practices are clearly forbidden, whereas some are borderline.

One could give a list of poskim who think many forms of yoga and Eastern techniques are clearcut avoda zara or avizrayhu for avoda zara, acts for which we are supposed to die rather than transgress ... but I guess the anonymous pygmies who spout their venom on this site are not interested in Torah but rather in sowing hatred.

The fact remains that some of these practices are forbidden at pi Torah.

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 Dec 06, 2009 at 08:57 PM Milhouse Says:

Reply to #18  
Frum Yoga Teacher Says:

Hindus believe in one G-d same as we do. Any thought to the contrary is just ignorance. Besides, didn't Chazal say there is no longer Avoda Zara in our day?

No, they didn't.

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 Dec 06, 2009 at 09:19 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #19  
Anonymous Says:

how about r yaakov hillel? rip him as well. he's always smiling and isnt machmir but i'm sure you can find something cuz hes a talmid chochom and you hate talmidei chachomim.

WAKE UP.....korach was also a talmid chochom,so were doeg hadomi and achitofel......am yisroel is plagued by leaders who are "so called talmidei chachomim" but who aren't connected to their neshomos..

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 Dec 06, 2009 at 10:31 PM Anonymous Says:

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Anonymous Says:

WAKE UP.....korach was also a talmid chochom,so were doeg hadomi and achitofel......am yisroel is plagued by leaders who are "so called talmidei chachomim" but who aren't connected to their neshomos..

the difference is that korach lived in the time of moshe and aharon so they told us who korach really was. the same with achitofel and dovid hamelech. we had other true talmidei chachomim to tell us who was right not some pisher sitting in front of his computer with minimal torah knowledge and an axe to grind and no respect for any rov that cramps his lifestyle. oh and leusid lavo the halocha will be like korach so if your comparing rav elyashiv to him hold on to your undies tight cuz thers gonna be alot of chumras

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 Dec 06, 2009 at 11:54 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #18  
Frum Yoga Teacher Says:

Hindus believe in one G-d same as we do. Any thought to the contrary is just ignorance. Besides, didn't Chazal say there is no longer Avoda Zara in our day?

No, they said that there is no longer such a strong Yetzer Hora for avoda Zora. Considering what's going on here, I can only imagine how bad it was back then....

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 Dec 07, 2009 at 12:21 AM chucky Says:

I live in brooklyn, I've been searching for a kosher/men only yoga/aerobics classes.... For a while....
If any one can help me please post here. Tx!

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 Dec 07, 2009 at 04:37 AM moshe to #19 Says:

Be careful i happen to be very aware of the writings of rabbi hillel both in halacha and kabalah he things he knows it all! but he is very far from introducing the true authentic concepts the way they are understood and explained by gedolei yisroel throughout the generations. open up your eyes!

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 Dec 07, 2009 at 04:44 AM חיים Says:

# 8 has it about right. Rabbi wolf has also some correspondence with the Lubavitcher Rebbe ZT"L on kosher meditation, but of course one must be cautious that all is applied correctly according to halacha even in the case of rabbi wolf. Rav elyashiv is a halachist but may not be aware of these issues. Rav morgenstern is to my knowledge a complicated individual! check out his writings!

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 Dec 07, 2009 at 07:24 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #23  
Anonymous Says:

the difference is that korach lived in the time of moshe and aharon so they told us who korach really was. the same with achitofel and dovid hamelech. we had other true talmidei chachomim to tell us who was right not some pisher sitting in front of his computer with minimal torah knowledge and an axe to grind and no respect for any rov that cramps his lifestyle. oh and leusid lavo the halocha will be like korach so if your comparing rav elyashiv to him hold on to your undies tight cuz thers gonna be alot of chumras

Dear anonymous angry man
chumrahs in leusid lavo will chumrahs with the proper keyli,we will be on the level to properly function with these so called chumrahs.(spiritually,emotionaly ,physically and mentally healthy)..today we just add more chumrahs on top of chumrahs becuase we think that hashem wants us to be perfect angels and becuase we dont love ourselves..so we think these chumrahs will prove to hashem that we are great people.its a ego trip to make ourselves feel like after 2000 years of golus we are still playing the A game..All hashem wants from us is to be simple and humble and to yearn for a deeper connection to the almighty not to pretend that these chumrahs are in itself the connection...HASHEM wants the heart not some pretend intellectual understanding.The geula is the process of healing ourselves from this long golus,but first we have to aknowledge that we are in golus not hide our pain behind more and more chumrahs.Have you tried talking to hashem as if he really exists....

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 Dec 07, 2009 at 11:54 AM Anonymous Says:

With all these chumras no wonder why Jews are leaving the fold left and right.

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 Dec 07, 2009 at 08:31 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #13  
Anonymous Says:

I would be skeptical to listen to anything that Rav elyashiv says,he looks like he's always angry.Rav elyashiv doesn't care about am yisroel only about himself and his many chumrahs that he levels on am yisroel to make him feel good about how holy he is.I dont think that Rav Elyashiv gives other people the benefit of the doubt,and i'm sure that he brings a lot of din on Am Yisroel becuase of his strict machmere views on everything...

you dont need him to be moreid din on you, you just did it to yourself and it will be very harsh.

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 Dec 07, 2009 at 09:34 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #28  
Anonymous Says:

Dear anonymous angry man
chumrahs in leusid lavo will chumrahs with the proper keyli,we will be on the level to properly function with these so called chumrahs.(spiritually,emotionaly ,physically and mentally healthy)..today we just add more chumrahs on top of chumrahs becuase we think that hashem wants us to be perfect angels and becuase we dont love ourselves..so we think these chumrahs will prove to hashem that we are great people.its a ego trip to make ourselves feel like after 2000 years of golus we are still playing the A game..All hashem wants from us is to be simple and humble and to yearn for a deeper connection to the almighty not to pretend that these chumrahs are in itself the connection...HASHEM wants the heart not some pretend intellectual understanding.The geula is the process of healing ourselves from this long golus,but first we have to aknowledge that we are in golus not hide our pain behind more and more chumrahs.Have you tried talking to hashem as if he really exists....

you can talk to hashem all u want if u disgrace tzadik and talimidei chachomim its worthless.

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 Dec 07, 2009 at 09:40 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #28  
Anonymous Says:

Dear anonymous angry man
chumrahs in leusid lavo will chumrahs with the proper keyli,we will be on the level to properly function with these so called chumrahs.(spiritually,emotionaly ,physically and mentally healthy)..today we just add more chumrahs on top of chumrahs becuase we think that hashem wants us to be perfect angels and becuase we dont love ourselves..so we think these chumrahs will prove to hashem that we are great people.its a ego trip to make ourselves feel like after 2000 years of golus we are still playing the A game..All hashem wants from us is to be simple and humble and to yearn for a deeper connection to the almighty not to pretend that these chumrahs are in itself the connection...HASHEM wants the heart not some pretend intellectual understanding.The geula is the process of healing ourselves from this long golus,but first we have to aknowledge that we are in golus not hide our pain behind more and more chumrahs.Have you tried talking to hashem as if he really exists....

of course im angry! a bunch of shmoes ripping on gedolim, real gedolim like rav elyashiv. thats when ur supposed to get angry. its a kula that ur allowed to use anger. so you go talk to hashem while i defend his honor and the honor of his torah.

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 Dec 07, 2009 at 04:18 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #32  
Anonymous Says:

of course im angry! a bunch of shmoes ripping on gedolim, real gedolim like rav elyashiv. thats when ur supposed to get angry. its a kula that ur allowed to use anger. so you go talk to hashem while i defend his honor and the honor of his torah.

Dear anonymous angry man..I don't believe you.you're probably a bal kas and are only looking for an excuse to yell at people in order to elevate yourself above others.you don't know the first thing about what a Tzadik really is,nor do you know
what real Torah is.what you perceive to be Torah is just some intellectual gymnastics,that puts you on your ego trip that enables you and others like you to look down at the rest of the world with judgment and disdain.It's hilarious when i hear frum yidden speaking about this time period,and how great it is that we have so many Yeshivas that are producing so many Talmide Chacomim.ha ha ha ha ha,there are more people with the title g'oen today then there were in the whole g'onim time period.people are desperate for kovod what can i say.....

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 Dec 07, 2009 at 06:24 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #31  
Anonymous Says:

you can talk to hashem all u want if u disgrace tzadik and talimidei chachomim its worthless.

hopefully very soon there wont be anymore of these so called"talmidei chachomim,just simple jews who want to serve hashem with simplicity without this whole kavod trip....May it be Hashems will that kavod,control,power,and fake torah without the heart and soul will all soon be a thing of the past..AMEN..

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 Dec 07, 2009 at 07:46 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #28  
Anonymous Says:

Dear anonymous angry man
chumrahs in leusid lavo will chumrahs with the proper keyli,we will be on the level to properly function with these so called chumrahs.(spiritually,emotionaly ,physically and mentally healthy)..today we just add more chumrahs on top of chumrahs becuase we think that hashem wants us to be perfect angels and becuase we dont love ourselves..so we think these chumrahs will prove to hashem that we are great people.its a ego trip to make ourselves feel like after 2000 years of golus we are still playing the A game..All hashem wants from us is to be simple and humble and to yearn for a deeper connection to the almighty not to pretend that these chumrahs are in itself the connection...HASHEM wants the heart not some pretend intellectual understanding.The geula is the process of healing ourselves from this long golus,but first we have to aknowledge that we are in golus not hide our pain behind more and more chumrahs.Have you tried talking to hashem as if he really exists....

please explain yourself. are you saying that hashem doesnt really care about the details of mitzvos and issurim as long as we are good people? as the world progresses there are automatically things that are going to be assur because they fit into previous existing halachos. granted not everything has to that way and there are many things that arent. however there are things that fall into the grey area and are left up to poskim to figure out. maybe rav elyashiv does have a tendency to be machmir. if there are others that are makil go with them if you like. or if you are knowledgeable in torah you decide for yourself. why is it necessary to talk bad about rav elyashiv. unless you feel that god really doesnt care about these things .

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 Dec 07, 2009 at 08:40 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #34  
Anonymous Says:

hopefully very soon there wont be anymore of these so called"talmidei chachomim,just simple jews who want to serve hashem with simplicity without this whole kavod trip....May it be Hashems will that kavod,control,power,and fake torah without the heart and soul will all soon be a thing of the past..AMEN..

wow wow wow! i am so sorry for you.

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 Dec 07, 2009 at 08:54 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #34  
Anonymous Says:

hopefully very soon there wont be anymore of these so called"talmidei chachomim,just simple jews who want to serve hashem with simplicity without this whole kavod trip....May it be Hashems will that kavod,control,power,and fake torah without the heart and soul will all soon be a thing of the past..AMEN..

please tell us who you do consider to be a talmid chochom. list three people alive today.

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 Dec 08, 2009 at 09:09 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #36  
Anonymous Says:

wow wow wow! i am so sorry for you.

haster aster......hashem says that i will hide my hiding from you...which means that you wont even realize that I Hashem am hiding from you.You will think that you have it all,, Rebbunim,Torah,Halacha, Mitzvahs, big yeshivas,nice mikvahs,everything that pertains to your imagination of what it means to be a good yid..In reality this is only a front,your exterior.This has nothing to do with whats really happening inside of you.Bikitzur there is little soul in any of this,becuase you're not connected to the eitz hachaim..in my opinon the frum yidden today do much more damage to the world then any other group.Rebbunim and their followers walk around with disdain and judgment for the rest of humanity..as long as i'm going to Olam Haba,the rest of the world can go to Heck in a hand basket..Talmidea Chachomom who learn Torah today bring judgment and din on the rest of the world because they have no Rachmonis on the world.Instead of looking for the good in humanity,they look for their own status so they can view themselves as being far superior to the rest of us.There is no Torah by these Rebbunim.Torah and Gaivah don't go hand in hand..

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