London – Orthodox Rabbis Outraged Over Liberal Jews Campaign To Permit Gay Weddings In Shul

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    London – Gay Jewish marriages could be held in synagogues across the country within weeks following a Liberal Judaism campaign to amend a parliamentary bill.

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    Liberal Judaism rabbis have joined senior Church of England clergy in supporting an amendment to the Equality Bill that is expected to be debated in the Lords next week. The proposed law change would allow gay and lesbian couples to get married inside synagogues and other religious venues.

    Liberal Jewish synagogues currently host religious commitment ceremonies for same sex couples, but these are not recognised under UK law. If the amendment, expected to be presented by Labour peer Lord Waheed Alli, is passed, lesbian and gay couples will be allowed to hold civil partnership ceremonies that are both legal and religious.

    Rabbi Aaron Goldstein, acting head of Liberal Judaism’s Rabbinic Conference, said the law would allow same sex couples to have identical rights as heterosexual couples within the Liberal Jewish community. He said: “For synagogues it is a question of religious freedom and for couples it is a matter of religious justice that they are dealt with in the same way as heterosexual couples in English law.”

    Under British law homosexual couples can become civil partners, awarding them the same tax and pension benefits as heterosexual couples. However, their commitment ceremony cannot include religious language or take place in a religious institution.

    Rabbi Goldstein added that the planned amendment would allow same sex couples to celebrate their commitments as they wish. He said: “They will be able to have a spiritual celebration of their commitment to each other as a loving couple in the tradition and religion of which they are a part. Orthodox Jews will oppose this but we believe we are acting in the spirit of prophetic tradition.”

    Liberal rabbis said the law would only affect synagogues that already perform civil partnership ceremonies.

    Rabbi Neil Janes of Finchley Progressive Synagogue said: “The amendment doesn’t force religious organisations or individuals to hold civil partnerships in their premises but merely makes this possible. “Religious communities that wish to offer religious significance to a civil partnership should be allowed to do so within the sanctuary of their own premises. This is natural in a society that has already acknowledged the rights of same sex couples.”

    Orthodox rabbis have expressed indignation about the proposal, branding it “inconsistent” with Torah Judaism. Rabbi Abraham Pinter, principal of Yesodey Hatorah Senior Girls’ School in Stamford Hill, said: “Is this a Purim question? You are having me on! This just confirms what we already know, that such forms of Judaism are simply not authentic. I have never viewed the Liberal movement as a genuine form of Judaism and its policy towards this issue simply proves the point.”

    Rabbi Daniel Roselaar of Barnet Synagogue said that holding civil partnership ceremonies in synagogues would “entirely inconsistent with traditional Jewish teachings on sexuality”. He dismissed the claim that the move was in the spirit of the prophets, saying “It is completely at odds with the biblical tradition.”

    Rabbi Leivi Sudak of Lubavitch of Edgware said: “Liberal Judaism has rejected the principles of Torah Judaism as divine. I don’t endorse what they do under the banner of Liberal Judaism. They’ve chosen to do something that Torah law forbids.”

    An amendment to the Equality Bill was debated in the Lords last month but was opposed by the Bishops of Winchester and Chichester. During the debate Baroness Neuberger, president of Liberal Judaism said that gay and lesbian couples had told her that they would be “overjoyed” to have their civil partnership ceremony in a synagogue.

    In a letter to the Times this week Church of England bishops in the Lords said it was wrong for the Civil Partnership Act to prohibit civil partnerships from being registered in any religious premises, including Liberal Judaism synagogues. Their letter said: “To deny people of faith the opportunity of registering the most important promise of their lives in their willing church or synagogue, according to its liturgy, is plainly discriminatory.”


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    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    The reform own the buildings, they can call them shuls, synagogues or whatever they want and they are absolutly entitled to do whatever they want in their own facilities. This amendment would not force any frum organization to allow reform kiddushin in their facilities. I would personally prefer that they be mesader kiddushin in a shul, albeit reform, rather than in a local justice of the peaces. ooffice.

    afra lepumayhu
    afra lepumayhu
    14 years ago

    a traditional gay wedding?! the bracha under the chuppa reads “asher kidshonu bemitzvosav vetzivonu al ha’arayos”… i guess now we know why.

    KACH 613
    KACH 613
    14 years ago

    There is no London anymore. The only religion that is excepted is Islam. anyone else they laugh at.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    “Under British law homosexual couples can become civil partners, awarding them the same tax and pension benefits as heterosexual couples.”

    if the whole issue is taxes & pension than what does this have to do with judiasm? and why do they need a ceremony at all?

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    As long as Britain recognizes civil unions, this amendment makes a lot of sense — the government shouldn’t be telling shuls or churches or other religious organizations what types of religious ceremonies they can and cannot conduct in their houses of worship.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    At least you wouldn’t need a mechitza at the wedding. Gay veys.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    I think what a person does in his or her bedroom, is nobody elses business.It shouldnt define the person or be his label.If someone for example experimented sexually ,should he also share that with everyone.And if on rare occasion he falls and views pornography should he mention that to everyone.Sop giving these people any attention at all.

    jj
    jj
    14 years ago

    what s the difference between liberal and the the reform judadism?

    Confused
    Confused
    14 years ago

    This is to prevent Reform synagogues from performing gay weddings? The Orthodox have no more say in what goes on in Reform synagogues (or Conservative) than the Reform and Conservative have to say about what goes on in Orthodox synagogues.

    bar saichal
    bar saichal
    14 years ago

    This is a very tough and serious issue that klal yisroel and the world is facing, and to blithely mouth off on a comments section about it shows one to be lacking in da’as. The Torah is fairly unequivocal about homosexuality. Yet calling our brothers and sisters “mutants” is absurd and utterly counterproductive. Get a life, work on yourself, and go talk to a Rav.

    Venoihapochu!
    Venoihapochu!
    14 years ago

    This article is just an unfunny attempt at humor L’kavod Purim, right?, RIGHT????…
    (crickets chirping)

    Reb Yid
    Reb Yid
    14 years ago

    It’s odd that someone named “Waheed Alli” would be sponsoring a bill in favor of homosexuality. Well, I guess the Muslims have their own paskunyaks, too.

    Don't forget
    Don't forget
    14 years ago

    Even at a liberal gay wedding, if your check to the mesader kiddushin bounces, the kiddushin is BOTTUL!

    Liberal, Reform Shmeform – some things are Chok Vlo Yaavor!

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    In a way they are doing us a favour.
    The Liberals want everyone to accept them as part of Judaism. They want the general community to see them as mainstream.
    But by them using their places of prayer for such services they are putting themselves beyond the pale. All I can say bring it on and show us your true colours. Probably christianity in first 150 years was closer to authenyic Judaism then the Liberal or Ewform practice.

    And as Rabbi Pinter said in the article this must be some form of a Purim joke

    Lawyer
    Lawyer
    14 years ago

    Not to worry. In a few decades, Islam will take over Britain. Then they’ll be stoning these people, not letting them join civil unions.