Jerusalem – State to Court: Bringing Korban Pesach to Har Habayis Would Provoke Muslims

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    FileJerusalem – State attorneys asked Sunday for the Supreme Court to forbid Jews to bring sacrifices on the Temple Mount.

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    The appeal to the court was a response to a petition from the Temple Mount Institute, which requested permission to bring a sacrifice on the Temple Mount prior to Passover.

    The Temple Mount Institute argued that Jews are commanded to bring a sacrifice prior to Passover, and that by prohibiting them from doing so, the state was violating its own laws protecting freedom of worship.

    State attorneys argued that the sacrifice would be a dangerous provocation of Muslim sensitivities. “Performing the ritual on the Temple Mount would deal a severe blow to public safety and security,” they said.

    The sacrifice would be dangerous “particularly at the current time,” they said, apparently in reference to recent Muslim riots over the dedication of the rebuilt Hurva synagogue in Jerusalem’s Old City.

    Muslim and Palestinian Authority leaders incited their followers to violence, claiming that the rededication of the synagogue was part of a Jewish plan to seize control of the Temple Mount.

    In past years, the Supreme Court ruled that Jews may not offer sacrifices on the Temple Mount due to the possibility of a violent Muslim response. The Temple Mount Institute has performed an educational demonstration of the Passover sacrifice instead.


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    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    Those radicals in Israel just don’t plan to give up their weird craziness? Even when its against the Torah?

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    One would think it would provoke many if not most frum Jews, too.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    Uh, why do I have this vague, uneasy feeling that moshiach came and I missed it?

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    Religion the root cause of many conflicts as they say. These selfish radicals that are trying to make some political point don’t care about others in society. They will not mind starting an intifada with this stupid sheep slaughtering that has not been done for thousands of years. They won’t be the ones facing bullets and stones, it is the 18 and 19 year old IDF kids who will have to mop up the mess that this “Temple Mount Institute” will cause.

    anonymous
    anonymous
    14 years ago

    Don’t be an am haaretz – there are a variety of opinions on the subject – and to anon 2:11 – you are proving that you are not really frum by advocating violance

    uneducated
    uneducated
    14 years ago

    I thought my rebbe once taught us that there is nothing wrong with bringing a korbon should one desire to do so. Maybe I misunderstood him. If someone is knowledgeable in this area, can you explain the halachos behind this?

    Finally
    Finally
    14 years ago

    We hAve been waiting for so long. I hope they are allowed to slaughter the korban Pesach!!!.
    To all you sucker posting on vin that don’t like it, GET A LIFE.

    pityu
    pityu
    14 years ago

    this mindless idiotic behaviour has to be stoped theese religious fanatics belong in a mental institution not on the streets of jerusalem i am ashamed of being jewish in their mind anything goes they are making a mockery of yiddishkeit

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    If god would want us to slaughter sheeps for pesach he would’ve surely sent someone down here advising us to do so, unfortunately we have been exiled by him from the bet hamikdosh and apparently there’s no demand up there for our korbonos, so please do not please god with actions he dislikes at the moment.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    Actually the kaftor vaperach – a Rishon- paskened thatsince most of klal yisroel are tamei and akorban pesach is brought even in tumah the korban pesach is mandated thatit be brought even w/o a bais mikdash but in the spot on the bais hamikdash!

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    according to some opinions, korbonos can be brought up only on the har habayis. having the bais hamikdosh built or not doesn’t change anyrhing and the korbonos can still be brought up even without the bais hamikdosh.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    about 100 years ago there were Tshuvos written by Big Gedolim in europe that wanted to be Makriv the Korbon Peasach based on their belief that it was practical to do so . Reb Yosef Chaim Sonnenfeld responded to them that unfortunately the local rulers would not allow it so it was not practical although it may have been allowed and required from a Mitzva standpoint if not for the fact of the Turks and Arabs not allowing it .

    Can You Feel It
    Can You Feel It
    14 years ago

    Something special is happening here in Jerusalem. The Muslims are spiritually attuned to the coming changes, perhaps, and are trying to block any progress. We are so close to the End. Torah Jews, loving HaShem, are looking for opportunities to serve their Master. Halachic scholars, inspired by the expression of Daat Torah that comes from operating in the Land, are thinking about the system broadly. The State here is merely a placeholder government that lacks an ability to manage conflict without violating the principles on which it is built. What an irony these Gd loving folks have revealed in the current governance system. We are so close it’s time to consider how to restore Torah ordained practices within a halachic framework, not merely citing ossified reasons to continue blocking Torah practices.

    Dovid
    Dovid
    14 years ago

    I guess some fanatics are more acceptable than others. These guys should be OK as long as there is separate seating on the way to the korban.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    How about if the we riled up our congregations to start riots against the Arabs fro not letting us on our own Mountain?!?!?! Instead of rioting against each other? Maybe, just maybe, thats, what Hashem is waiting for~

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    How will we know if person bringing the Korbon is truly a Kohen?

    For instance, I have J-1e P58 Haplogroup Kohen Modal DNA. This is the current “gold standard” for Kohen DNA. I also have a family tradition of being a Kohen with documents going back to 1818 in Poland signed by an ancestor who was a famous Rav in his generation. Would this be enough Halachicly to bring a Korbon in these times?

    Does anyone know how they are going to chose the Kohen?

    Lawyer
    Lawyer
    14 years ago

    1. The bringing of Kobran Pesach in our times (meaning after the destruction of the BHMK) is a very complex halakhic issue, over which numerous teshuvos and discussions were had among the Rishonim and Acharonim.

    Although tumah huttrah be tsibbur, there are many other halakhic issues. For one, who is a kohen today? For another, where is the mizbeach? Those alone make it impossible to fulfill the mitzvah.

    2. What this case does bring out is the point that the whole notion of applying “law” — whether Israeli or International law — to the situation is a complete misnomer. The bottom line is we cannot do it because the Arabs will riot. That, unfortunately, is not a legal reason to deny someone their religious rights — no court anywhere in the world would accept it — but it is still the reality. (Imagine a court in Europe or the U.S. being told, “We cannot let a synagogue or mosque open up, because the locals will riot and we cannot control it.” The Court would not allow that.)

    The whole notion of applying “law” here is absurd. The Arabs will do what they want by force of riot. Period.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    it seems like many people here don’t have idea what their talking about.
    1) from a Torah perspective if Jew today is in Jerusalem on Erev Pesach, there are many problems involved, and halachically may be obligated to bring a Korban Pesach, and therefore it is advised not to be in Jerusalem at that time of the day( Erev Pesach Mincha time)
    2) today we are still obligated to bring the Korban Pesach, only that because it’s not practicably possible we therefore say the “Seder Korban Pesach” on the first night of Pesach.

    it’s about time people realize that there is no reason to be embarrassed of FRUM people or what they do(except when it’s against Torah), the moslems are not embarrassed of the things they do and neither are the christians, we have to be proud to be Jewish and be proud of the Jewish people and especially proud of the people who follow Torah, and we don’t have to explain to anybody why we follow the Torah, and when the moslems will realize that we don’t care of what they think about us, they will stop bothering us.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    There were Yerushalmi yidden that would leave jerusalem for pesach ,in order to be “bederech Rechoka” since being in Yerushalaim would mean they are commanded to bring the korban Pesach which was problematic politically and Halachacally.

    ChelmiTe
    ChelmiTe
    14 years ago

    A Jew breathing in Eretz Yisroel also provokes Muslims.
    But shooting Katuyas rockets all over is not provocative!

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    Even if it were arguably mutar to bring a korban pesach prior to z’man moishiach and binyan bayis shlishi, which it is clearly NOT, the security consequences of doing so and triggering arab riots would always trump any such mitzvah. Security always takes priority over discretionary halachic practices.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    If this were the proper derech we’d see Rav Elyoshiv Shlita preparing his lamb too.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    Rav Eliyashiv, Z’tl, knows better than to antagonize the arabs irrespective of what his private views might be regarding whether ritual sacrifice is relevant in the modern era.

    A.N.
    A.N.
    14 years ago

    “Reb Yosef Chaim Sonnenfeld responded to them that unfortunately the local rulers would not allow it so it was not practical although it may have been allowed and required from a Mitzva standpoint if not for the fact of the Turks and Arabs not allowing it .”

    That’s what the Chasam Sofer said as well. That being the case, the Institute is doing some very good work. We have abandoned the program of the Chofetz Chaim and others who advocated learning kodshim. Instead, we are clueless about the halachos that will pertinent very soon. Note that the Institute has followed the recommendation of the gov’t who determined the Muslims would freak out. In other words the situation has not changed much since Rav Sonnenfeld and the Chasam Sofer. The Institute did not go ahead with it’s desired plans- thus following the tradition pronounced by above mentioned gedolim z’tl. They can’t be honestly considered radicals. (Note that the extremist Temple Mount Faithful are an entirely different group.)

    Witness
    Witness
    14 years ago

    Also has anyone heard of any updates regarding what the Supreme Court in Israel has decided to do with this case?

    Will they allow it?

    Moish
    Moish
    14 years ago

    The Temple Institute is above Rav Eliyashiv Shlit”a, they operate under the authority of the “nascent InsaneHedrin” which is headed by Adin Steinzaltz- Even Yisroel who published a translation of the Talmud ignoring the traditional Tzuras HaDaf (against the wishes of the Lubavitcher Rebbe Z”L) and a bunch of Kahchniks who do not accept the authority of mainstream Gdolim and Poskim. The Temple Institute panders to the Evangelical Christians who fund them and believe that building the Beis HaMikdosh and sacrificing Korbonos will hasten the so-called second coming of their false messiah J.C. AKA Yoshke Pondrik

    David
    David
    14 years ago

    Forget the Muslims– the idea of offering animal sacrifices right now is offensive to any normal person. From a Jewish perspective, there is no temple and no place to offer sacrifices. This amounts to no more than an attempt to violate multiple Jewish laws, including tzar ba’alei chaim, while grandstanding in the most outrageous way imaginable.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    The location of the mizbeach can be determined via ultrasound imaging. We know that the mizbeach is solid rock all the way donw – everything else was hollowed out. So we can find the answers, if we actually want to be avdei Hashem. Anyone looking for excuses without considering solutions is just defensive of being a Jew. Shame on you!

    BG
    BG
    14 years ago

    The _______ would be dangerous “particularly at the current time”
    How many times do we hear this, and over how many subjects? Some will always be offended, never be appeased, and never compromise.

    If we are to have a Jewish State, then the state must be for Jews and Jews also need to make room for each other, not just their sworn enemies.