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Jerusalem - Police Make Arrests after Men and Women Bring Goats for Korban Pesach

Published on: March 29, 2010 09:28 AM
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File photo of 2009Jerusalem - Right-wing activists Yehuda Glick and Noam Federman were arrested Sunday on suspicion of planning to sacrifice young goats near the Temple Mount.

Glick was detained near Jaffa Gate in Jerusalem’s Old City and was taken in for questioning by the police. The young goat found in his possession was handed over to the Wildlife Supervision Department in the Agriculture Ministry. Federman was detained for questioning on suspicion of aiding Glick, and was later released.

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Shortly afterwards, Federman was arrested once again near Dung Gate in possession of another young goat in his car.

Before the second time he was detained, Federman told Ynet that the police had released him because they thought a sacrifice could be only be offered with a sheep.

“I come here to observe the holiday mitzvot. It’s a shame and a disgrace that the police are trying to stop Jews from going up to the Temple Mount and offering a sacrifice for the Passover holiday,” he said.

The police suspected that the two were planning to take the young goat from the Hurva synagogue towards the Temple Mount and create a provocation. A group of girls was also said to be making its way to the Mount with another young goat.



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 Mar 29, 2010 at 10:08 AM With friends like this who needs enemies? Says:

When the time of Moshiach will come, Bimhera Biyamenu:

Does anyone doubt that these very same secular police will issue an arrest warrant against the Righteous Moshiach Tzidkeinu who will be going to the Har Habayis to rebuild the Beis Hamikdash and brink Korbonos?

With friends like this who needs enemies?

It is true that now is not the time to bring Korbonos, and it is true that we are still waiting for the arrival of Melech Hamoshiach to rebuild the Beis Hamikdash (possibly even today) but that is not the motivation of the secular Israeli Police who will surely do the identical SAME to the real and righteous Moshiach too.

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 Mar 29, 2010 at 10:44 AM Chochom ma hu omeir Says:

Reply to #1  
With friends like this who needs enemies? Says:

When the time of Moshiach will come, Bimhera Biyamenu:

Does anyone doubt that these very same secular police will issue an arrest warrant against the Righteous Moshiach Tzidkeinu who will be going to the Har Habayis to rebuild the Beis Hamikdash and brink Korbonos?

With friends like this who needs enemies?

It is true that now is not the time to bring Korbonos, and it is true that we are still waiting for the arrival of Melech Hamoshiach to rebuild the Beis Hamikdash (possibly even today) but that is not the motivation of the secular Israeli Police who will surely do the identical SAME to the real and righteous Moshiach too.

Shtusim vehavalim sir! When Moshiach comes everyone will do Teshuvah and I'm sure those who were formerly irreligious will be leading the pack and will be the first to the Har Habayis to bring a Korban to Hashem!

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 Mar 29, 2010 at 10:51 AM Anonymous Says:

Nut jobs!

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 Mar 29, 2010 at 10:55 AM Meshiguim Says:

Why are there so many "Meshiguim" in Israel?

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 Mar 29, 2010 at 11:09 AM Anonymous Says:

Except, they'll be powerless against Moshiach and will even participate and help Moshiach in controlling the crowds.

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 Mar 29, 2010 at 11:43 AM Anonymous Says:

Why isn't this shochet umaaleh bachutz which is 2 issurei koreis?

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 Mar 29, 2010 at 11:46 AM lamb Says:

Good! Throw them in jail and do it infront of al jazeera and other arab media sources! We can NO LONGER tolerate these extremists troublemakers inciting the hatred of the nations surrounding us! On this day when our forefathers sacrificed a lamb it is ironic that we are today ascribed as being a lamb surrounded by wolfs who wish to tear us asunder! Why are we upsetting the wolves? We need to wait and be patient for HKBH to send messiach!

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 Mar 29, 2010 at 12:03 PM Anonymous Says:

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lamb Says:

Good! Throw them in jail and do it infront of al jazeera and other arab media sources! We can NO LONGER tolerate these extremists troublemakers inciting the hatred of the nations surrounding us! On this day when our forefathers sacrificed a lamb it is ironic that we are today ascribed as being a lamb surrounded by wolfs who wish to tear us asunder! Why are we upsetting the wolves? We need to wait and be patient for HKBH to send messiach!

Enough with the waiting, we've waited 2000 plus years. Enough is enough. What's the waiting for, so there won't be any frum Jews left c"v.

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 Mar 29, 2010 at 12:18 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #7  
lamb Says:

Good! Throw them in jail and do it infront of al jazeera and other arab media sources! We can NO LONGER tolerate these extremists troublemakers inciting the hatred of the nations surrounding us! On this day when our forefathers sacrificed a lamb it is ironic that we are today ascribed as being a lamb surrounded by wolfs who wish to tear us asunder! Why are we upsetting the wolves? We need to wait and be patient for HKBH to send messiach!

Should the victims of the Holocaust have waited patiently in the camps if they had a chance to make a run for it?

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 Mar 29, 2010 at 12:22 PM 5T Resident Says:

If these jokers are so frum that they want to bring korbonos, why aren't they frum enough to realize that they are NOT ALLOWED to bring korbonos while the Beis Hamikdosh is not standing and that they are NOT ALLOWED on the Har Habayis because they are tumah?

Where do they get these people???

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 Mar 29, 2010 at 12:27 PM Anonymous Says:

Wow, did they learn up the wrong p'shat or what

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 Mar 29, 2010 at 12:35 PM Avi Says:

Reply to #8  
Anonymous Says:

Enough with the waiting, we've waited 2000 plus years. Enough is enough. What's the waiting for, so there won't be any frum Jews left c"v.

It has been less than 2000 years since the destruction of the second Beis Hamikdosh.

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 Mar 29, 2010 at 12:45 PM Anonymous Says:

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Anonymous Says:

Enough with the waiting, we've waited 2000 plus years. Enough is enough. What's the waiting for, so there won't be any frum Jews left c"v.

To Teshuvah and maybe Moshiach will come going on the har Habies and provoking the Arabs and making a chilul Hashem and putting jewish lives at risk won't help the situation.

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 Mar 29, 2010 at 01:21 PM Anonymous Says:

Such Am Ha'artzim comment on the site:
Korban Pesach was offered after the churban and there is perhaps room to say it can be done bizman hazeh (ayen the first 3 sha'alos uteshuvos from R Tzvi Hirsch Kalischer in the Binyon Tzion), which R Y Ettlinger eventually rejects. Nevertheless, to unequivocally say that one NEEDs a Beis HaMikdash for korban pesach is wrong

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 Mar 29, 2010 at 01:23 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #8  
Anonymous Says:

Enough with the waiting, we've waited 2000 plus years. Enough is enough. What's the waiting for, so there won't be any frum Jews left c"v.

We are waiting until Moshiach comes.....like we are supposed to. We can NOT bring a korbon now, no matter how many animals you shecht.

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 Mar 29, 2010 at 01:25 PM Anonymous Says:

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Anonymous Says:

Should the victims of the Holocaust have waited patiently in the camps if they had a chance to make a run for it?

what kind of stupid insensitive comment was that?!! Think about the absurd analogy you are making.

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 Mar 29, 2010 at 01:34 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
With friends like this who needs enemies? Says:

When the time of Moshiach will come, Bimhera Biyamenu:

Does anyone doubt that these very same secular police will issue an arrest warrant against the Righteous Moshiach Tzidkeinu who will be going to the Har Habayis to rebuild the Beis Hamikdash and brink Korbonos?

With friends like this who needs enemies?

It is true that now is not the time to bring Korbonos, and it is true that we are still waiting for the arrival of Melech Hamoshiach to rebuild the Beis Hamikdash (possibly even today) but that is not the motivation of the secular Israeli Police who will surely do the identical SAME to the real and righteous Moshiach too.

Your making a big mistake. The reason the "secular" police are stopping them is not because they're anti-religious (although that might be true). The reason, as clearly stated in the article is that it would cause a provocation (even though that provocation would be hyped up by the Arabs). Proof in point, if they decided to bring an animal to the Churva shul to offer as a korbon the police wouldn't stop them.

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 Mar 29, 2010 at 03:28 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #12  
Avi Says:

It has been less than 2000 years since the destruction of the second Beis Hamikdosh.

Still much too long.

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 Mar 29, 2010 at 04:45 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #14  
Anonymous Says:

Such Am Ha'artzim comment on the site:
Korban Pesach was offered after the churban and there is perhaps room to say it can be done bizman hazeh (ayen the first 3 sha'alos uteshuvos from R Tzvi Hirsch Kalischer in the Binyon Tzion), which R Y Ettlinger eventually rejects. Nevertheless, to unequivocally say that one NEEDs a Beis HaMikdash for korban pesach is wrong

You don't need a Bais Hamikdosh but you need the makom hamizbeach and without that it's schutei chutz which is an issur kareis.

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 Mar 29, 2010 at 06:28 PM Learn before you write Says:

Reply to #10  
5T Resident Says:

If these jokers are so frum that they want to bring korbonos, why aren't they frum enough to realize that they are NOT ALLOWED to bring korbonos while the Beis Hamikdosh is not standing and that they are NOT ALLOWED on the Har Habayis because they are tumah?

Where do they get these people???

Tumah Hutra Betzibur! where does it say that you ned a beis hamikdosh to bring a korbon pesach? It's a old machlokes btw the gedolim.

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 Mar 30, 2010 at 02:11 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #10  
5T Resident Says:

If these jokers are so frum that they want to bring korbonos, why aren't they frum enough to realize that they are NOT ALLOWED to bring korbonos while the Beis Hamikdosh is not standing and that they are NOT ALLOWED on the Har Habayis because they are tumah?

Where do they get these people???

Did you ever bother to learn the Halachos of Korbanos? In answer to your points:

(a) Where does it say that you need a Beis HaMikdash to bring Korbonos? You need to know where the Makom HaMizbe'ach is to do the proper Zreika (or, in the case of the Korban Pesach, shficha), but there is NO REQUIREMENT for the Beis HaMikdash to actually be built in order to bring a Korban.

(b) Did you ever hear of the Halacha of "Tuma Hutra B'Tzibur"??? In other words, if Rov of Klal Yisrael is Tameh, Korbanos can be brought B'Tuma (though going on to the Har HaBayis B'Tuma for no good reason is still not allowed).

While the political wisdom of trying to bring a Korban Pesach is questionable, there are definite Halachic opinions (including, I believe, the Rambam) that permit bringing the Korban.

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 Mar 30, 2010 at 05:51 PM Berl Says:

This is all good and fine except that these people do not accept the gemorah that says that at the Churban Hashem swore 3 oaths 'Three Oaths'. The Talmud, in Ketubot 111a, mentions that the Jewish people have been bound by three oaths: 1) not to ascend to Eretz Yisrael (the Land of Israel) as a group using force; 2) not to rebel against the nations of the world; and 3) that the nations of the world would not persecute the nation of Israel excessively. Though the goyim broke their oath , we still do not have the right to provoke them with such acts when it will endanger other Jews.

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 Mar 31, 2010 at 09:10 PM anonymous Says:

To 5t resident, Berl; - I too do not believe it is a good idea to bring a korban pesach becuase of the political situation - but the halacha is that if you do not bring a korban pesach - you are chayav koreis - you just need to know mokom hamizbeach - tooma hutra bitzibur - and they are not trying to shecht kodshim bachootz. And Berl the three shavuos are not halacha and not brought down by the shulchan aruch. I heard in the name of Rav Moshe Feinstein in response to three shavuos that we do not pasken halacha from agada. Rav Kook, Rav Herzog and the majority of gedolei yisroel had no problem with this. Many stated that the third shavua was not kept by the goyim - so all of them are NOT applicable anymore (if they were ever applicable). Israel was founded with the permission of the UN any way.

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 Mar 31, 2010 at 09:13 PM anon Says:

Berl - I suggest you read Eim HaBanim Simeicha written by the Av Beis Din of Munkatch (munkatch makes satmar look zionist by comparison) - he repudiates your views and maintains that had the Minkatcher Rebbe (minchas elozor) lived longer - even he would have modified his views. Your views seem in sync with 1940s hungary - They believed they kept (in their mind) the greatest mitzva in the torah - to be religiously anti-zionist. They also believed -the holocaust would never reach them because they were so anti-zionist - I guess they were wrong

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 Mar 31, 2010 at 10:59 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #9  
Anonymous Says:

Should the victims of the Holocaust have waited patiently in the camps if they had a chance to make a run for it?

What kind of obnoxious and irrelevant comment is that?!?! One is an issue of pikuach nefesh and another is an unnecessary provocation against our enemies. Your bringing up the holocuast in the way that you did was pathetic and precisely why people do not take us jews seriously when we do have a real reason to bring up the holocaust as a warning. Shame on you

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 Apr 02, 2010 at 07:35 AM Anonymous Says:

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Chochom ma hu omeir Says:

Shtusim vehavalim sir! When Moshiach comes everyone will do Teshuvah and I'm sure those who were formerly irreligious will be leading the pack and will be the first to the Har Habayis to bring a Korban to Hashem!

mashiach is not going to MAKE anyone do tshuva, he's going to enlighten us with the true philosophy within theology. the ones who it will be the most difficult to change are NOT the secular jews!! they will do tshuva when they see the words of the neviim are really true, the ones who will be difficult are the people who ALREADY believe that they're on the right path when in fact their facing the other way. the ultra religious jews need the most help to see the truth.

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