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Postville, IA - Beef Production Returns to Kosher Iowa Slaughterhouse

Published on: April 13, 2010 01:39 PM
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Hershey Friedman, CEO of Agri Star Meat and Poultry, Tuesday, Oct. 13, 2009, in Postville, Iowa. (JENS MANUEL KROGSTAD/ Courier Staff Reporter)Postville, IA - The new owner of the former AgriProcessors Inc. meatpacking plant in Postville says it is now producing beef for the first time since a May 2008 immigration raid.

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Hershey Friedman, CEO of Agri Star Meat and Poultry, says the plant began slaughtering beef a couple of weeks ago. Friedman bought the plant eight months ago.

Friedman said Agri Star Meat and Poultry is currently slaughtering about 90 head of cattle each day, which is more than 87 percent fewer cattle than what Agriprocessors produced at the peak of its business. The new plant employs 560 people.

Agri Star Meat and Poultry was recently given $600,000 in state assistance, plus tax credits, to help update machinery inside the plant.



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1

 Apr 13, 2010 at 01:55 PM Meat In The Chulent Says:

Shhh.. You don't want those beefy animal rights group in the know yet!

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 Apr 13, 2010 at 02:04 PM Anonymous Says:

Nothing like competition. This past Pesach meat prices were the lowest in years. Currently the price trend is down.

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 Apr 13, 2010 at 02:06 PM MazelKGH Says:

I wish you and your employees much success.

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 Apr 13, 2010 at 02:13 PM Anonymous Says:

Hopefully Mr. Friedman will not repeat the same mistakes that were done at the plant before. Hatzlacha!

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 Apr 13, 2010 at 02:20 PM Anonymous Says:

Sure with a 60% and additional 20% kosher what the big deal to get rid of the non kosher

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 Apr 13, 2010 at 02:34 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
Meat In The Chulent Says:

Shhh.. You don't want those beefy animal rights group in the know yet!

Sorry they have NO objection for the following reason the shicta takes place now with out turning down the cattle to face down ( so called munachs) this was instructed trough the head poskim from the OU based on the minchus chinuh choshen mispat
And so on so nothiong to be afraid

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 Apr 13, 2010 at 02:38 PM Anonymous Says:

Under whose Hashgocha is the plant?????

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 Apr 13, 2010 at 02:50 PM abraham from Montreal Says:

I know Mr. FriedMan personally. Great man that will bring a new era to the kosher market.

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 Apr 13, 2010 at 02:55 PM ezzie Says:

Lower prices had nothing to do with Friedman. It has a lot to do with lower commodity prices and the fact that due to the economy many people cannot afford beef and are using alternatives like chiken and fish.

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 Apr 13, 2010 at 02:58 PM Anonymous Says:

just the opposite. This Pesach's meat prices were the highest ever. One store a week before pesach raised their prices by $1.49 a pound for all types of meat. A day after pesach they lowered the price by that exact amount. Interesting the meat was the same. All meat are kosher for pesach all year long. There is no reason for any increase in prices

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 Apr 13, 2010 at 03:00 PM Anonymous Says:

This man is a real hero & tzadik - and will hopefully contribute to the reduction of superior kashrus meat prices to come down to reasonable levels.
May he be very maztliach !!!!! He will need much siyata dishmaya not to be brought down by the various nefarious interests each with their agendas.

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 Apr 13, 2010 at 03:00 PM esq Says:

Well Obama did say he would redistribute the wealth. So he took a perfectly profitable company, through the direction and control of the INS and justice Dpt., bankrupted it by refusing to allow it to operate, and then practically handpicked a sucessor by requiring federal approval of the purchaser. not that I have any particular opinion on the new owner, I am glad it is a yid -- but whose pocket does the 600k in tax credits come from - YOURS.

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 Apr 13, 2010 at 03:03 PM Anonymous Says:

We all wish them mazel and hopefully this will be the last time we have to hear about the prior managment.

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 Apr 13, 2010 at 03:39 PM Dave Says:

Reply to #12  
esq Says:

Well Obama did say he would redistribute the wealth. So he took a perfectly profitable company, through the direction and control of the INS and justice Dpt., bankrupted it by refusing to allow it to operate, and then practically handpicked a sucessor by requiring federal approval of the purchaser. not that I have any particular opinion on the new owner, I am glad it is a yid -- but whose pocket does the 600k in tax credits come from - YOURS.

Wow! Obama is really impressive, if he can do that when George Bush was President of the United States!

Also, unless you are living in Iowa, I'm not sure how those tax credits come from your pockets. And why did Iowa do that anyway, after all, people keep telling me how anti-Semitic it is....

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 Apr 13, 2010 at 03:44 PM Anonymous Says:

Since Agri lest the scene, many new companies sprung up. Business might be business but there will be a lot of competition out there now. Which frum person will succeed? Which will go bankrupt?

Do we need so much competition? Prices may or may not go down (right now, treif prices are high. see http://www.ams.usda.gov/mnreports/lsddcbs.pdf for the latest treif prices. Note the trend in red in the upper right hand corner. Where prices lower for Pesach?)

So, do we need so much competition? All you need is one very aggressive company who will undercut prices and hope that they will drive other frum people out of business. If he doesn't, then you have the Rubashkin model all over again.

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 Apr 13, 2010 at 03:51 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #10  
Anonymous Says:

just the opposite. This Pesach's meat prices were the highest ever. One store a week before pesach raised their prices by $1.49 a pound for all types of meat. A day after pesach they lowered the price by that exact amount. Interesting the meat was the same. All meat are kosher for pesach all year long. There is no reason for any increase in prices

Well during Pesach there's a much higher demand for meat. If you're not eating chametz or kitniyot or gebrochts then what's left other than meat? Fruit and some dry matzah isn't really a meal.

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 Apr 13, 2010 at 03:57 PM YAAKOV Says:

Maybe I'll now be able to afford meat again!

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 Apr 13, 2010 at 04:11 PM to #7 Says:

ou

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 Apr 13, 2010 at 04:25 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #14  
Dave Says:

Wow! Obama is really impressive, if he can do that when George Bush was President of the United States!

Also, unless you are living in Iowa, I'm not sure how those tax credits come from your pockets. And why did Iowa do that anyway, after all, people keep telling me how anti-Semitic it is....

tax credits in Postville must be finded federally as postville is bankrupt after Rubaskin. And he was tried under Obama and will be sentenced under obama and they just asked for life imprisionment you idiot. You think it is a joke - you dont like rubasshkin so your OK with him sitting for life - with scum. I hope you find yourself in the same position.

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 Apr 13, 2010 at 04:29 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #14  
Dave Says:

Wow! Obama is really impressive, if he can do that when George Bush was President of the United States!

Also, unless you are living in Iowa, I'm not sure how those tax credits come from your pockets. And why did Iowa do that anyway, after all, people keep telling me how anti-Semitic it is....

Why did Iowa do what??? And you dont think it is anti-semitic? have you read the book? Do you see what theya re soing to Rubashkin - asking for life imprisionment for bank fraud aganist a bank that made 21 millkion profit on the dael - and hiring immigrants - the same ones that get everything free in Amerika. No one cares so much about immigrants - who BTW were living much better than the slums they crawled out of and now crawled back into. When my grandparents cam to the USA no one gave them nothin - and they wd hv been perfectly happy living in Agri subsidized homes earingin a decent living. And not being abused. instead they lived in tenements and no one cared if they had warter or food - they had to fend for themselves. And they did it w/o the help opf the govt thanks very much.

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 Apr 13, 2010 at 04:46 PM mottel Says:

Cursed be peta and the unions that smashed a profitable company and incarcerated an innocent man. May they be treated like the cattle they worship. That being said, may G-d grant the new owner much hatzlocho

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 Apr 13, 2010 at 04:48 PM HaMayven Yaveen Says:

Reply to #7  
Anonymous Says:

Under whose Hashgocha is the plant?????

The plant is under OU and CHK. There are many people that will not use a Lubavitch hechsher because of the Moshiach claims. And the OU is a rubber stamp on CHK. As such, it is not recognized by the Star K or the Vaad Hakashrus of Flatbush.

Tartikov is not on the plant, only on the 'Supreme' label. I am told that they use the same shochtim as CHK and have no more Chumras than the OU. If anyone know different, please educate us.

See comment #15. If the supply of meat is enough, then why do we need another very big player? Yidden did not get many new jobs in that plant, and the rest of the companies will suffer until someone goes broke and out of business.

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 Apr 13, 2010 at 04:57 PM Anonymous Says:

Is this Hershey Friedman from Montreal that has his name on a few buildings in Mir Jerusalem??

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 Apr 13, 2010 at 04:59 PM Dave Says:

Reply to #20  
Anonymous Says:

Why did Iowa do what??? And you dont think it is anti-semitic? have you read the book? Do you see what theya re soing to Rubashkin - asking for life imprisionment for bank fraud aganist a bank that made 21 millkion profit on the dael - and hiring immigrants - the same ones that get everything free in Amerika. No one cares so much about immigrants - who BTW were living much better than the slums they crawled out of and now crawled back into. When my grandparents cam to the USA no one gave them nothin - and they wd hv been perfectly happy living in Agri subsidized homes earingin a decent living. And not being abused. instead they lived in tenements and no one cared if they had warter or food - they had to fend for themselves. And they did it w/o the help opf the govt thanks very much.

Iowa is giving Agri Star $600k plus tax credits, read the article.

The bank lost money, a lot of it. In excess of 20 million dollars, in fact. Even Rubashkin's doesn't say they didn't lose money, they just claim that he "only" defrauded them of $4 million

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 Apr 13, 2010 at 05:02 PM montrealer Says:

im surprised its not called hershy & raizy processors

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 Apr 13, 2010 at 05:06 PM Dave Says:

Reply to #19  
Anonymous Says:

tax credits in Postville must be finded federally as postville is bankrupt after Rubaskin. And he was tried under Obama and will be sentenced under obama and they just asked for life imprisionment you idiot. You think it is a joke - you dont like rubasshkin so your OK with him sitting for life - with scum. I hope you find yourself in the same position.

Read the article.

Iowa is providing the $600k and the tax credits. Not the town of Postville.

I disagree with the prosecutors (although I did read the report they filed). I think the report from the US Probation Office is more in line with an appropriate sentence, given the gravity of the offenses, the losses suffered by the victims, and the nature of the fraud scheme.

It is worth noting that in a country in which people are sentenced to Life in Prison (in State Courts) for relatively minor offenses (including stealing cookies or shoes), arguing that a deliberate fraud of between $4million (Rubashkin's Defense Team's Figure) and $10 million (The Government Figure) is being disproportionately punished is a bit disingenuous. Or at least it is if you never cared about the people getting Life for minor crimes.

Bluntly, when you are guilty (and the defense filings, the paperwork trail, and the court records make it abundantly clear that even if you ignore the money laundering, the hiring of illegal immigrants, and the deliberate delay in paying suppliers, SMR was guilty of a deliberate multi-million dollar fraud scheme), you make a deal with the prosecutors.

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 Apr 13, 2010 at 05:12 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #10  
Anonymous Says:

just the opposite. This Pesach's meat prices were the highest ever. One store a week before pesach raised their prices by $1.49 a pound for all types of meat. A day after pesach they lowered the price by that exact amount. Interesting the meat was the same. All meat are kosher for pesach all year long. There is no reason for any increase in prices

I really don't know where you bought your meat. I found that beef that cost $8.99 or $10.99 was selling for $6.79 and 9.29. Chicken was at least 60 cents less than last year Pesach. Cutlets which sold for $4.29 pre-purim were selling for $2.59. The market of course will grow but not as fast as the supply has increased. The producers will either cut costs or go out of business. The Orthodox market which uses only glatt can't absorb a dozen suppliers. Niche suppliers of so-called frummer and more mehadrin meats which have fancy prices for those who think they are ultra frum will also exist.

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 Apr 13, 2010 at 05:17 PM mayim Says:

reb hershy deserves only mazel and brochoh after all what he does for klall yisroel
and if you eat his meat for 120 years, you'll have ''arichas yomim''

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 Apr 13, 2010 at 05:23 PM Anonymous Says:

Let's make a simple calculation 560 workers a day min pay is 10$ each work atleast 10 hours equals 56,000 a day labor cost the kill 90 heads a day each animal min cost 1000 so we have another 90,000 and 20,000 chikens a day additional cost for sochtim is atleast 50,000 a day so where. All non kosher cows are a brutal lost how would the company make profit in today economy?

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 Apr 13, 2010 at 05:25 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #12  
esq Says:

Well Obama did say he would redistribute the wealth. So he took a perfectly profitable company, through the direction and control of the INS and justice Dpt., bankrupted it by refusing to allow it to operate, and then practically handpicked a sucessor by requiring federal approval of the purchaser. not that I have any particular opinion on the new owner, I am glad it is a yid -- but whose pocket does the 600k in tax credits come from - YOURS.

What a Moron you are, not that I am an Obama fan, but why don't you mention Mr. Rubashkins part in the fiasco. And if I'm not mistaken the raid took place b4 Obamaination was president.

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 Apr 13, 2010 at 05:34 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #9  
ezzie Says:

Lower prices had nothing to do with Friedman. It has a lot to do with lower commodity prices and the fact that due to the economy many people cannot afford beef and are using alternatives like chiken and fish.

The price was lower because in anticipation of mr friedman comming into the market, old players with beef from uruguay lowered their prices.

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 Apr 13, 2010 at 05:36 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #12  
esq Says:

Well Obama did say he would redistribute the wealth. So he took a perfectly profitable company, through the direction and control of the INS and justice Dpt., bankrupted it by refusing to allow it to operate, and then practically handpicked a sucessor by requiring federal approval of the purchaser. not that I have any particular opinion on the new owner, I am glad it is a yid -- but whose pocket does the 600k in tax credits come from - YOURS.

right on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

33

 Apr 13, 2010 at 05:55 PM Anonymous Says:

If there's all these kosher meats on the market then why does kosher meat still cost so much more than treif meat?

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 Apr 13, 2010 at 06:23 PM in the know Says:

Reply to #22  
HaMayven Yaveen Says:

The plant is under OU and CHK. There are many people that will not use a Lubavitch hechsher because of the Moshiach claims. And the OU is a rubber stamp on CHK. As such, it is not recognized by the Star K or the Vaad Hakashrus of Flatbush.

Tartikov is not on the plant, only on the 'Supreme' label. I am told that they use the same shochtim as CHK and have no more Chumras than the OU. If anyone know different, please educate us.

See comment #15. If the supply of meat is enough, then why do we need another very big player? Yidden did not get many new jobs in that plant, and the rest of the companies will suffer until someone goes broke and out of business.

Actually the OU and the CHK are on two diffrent labels, OU on Aaron's and CHK on Shor Habor, so i'm not sure how OU is "giving a rubber stamp on CHK."

Secondly, Tartikov has chumros that they are instituting AND are bringing their own shochtim and that is FACT.

Someone also posted falsely that they are shechting upright, that is NOT TRUE, Agri Star is still doing schita munachas at this time.

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 Apr 13, 2010 at 06:29 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #27  
Anonymous Says:

I really don't know where you bought your meat. I found that beef that cost $8.99 or $10.99 was selling for $6.79 and 9.29. Chicken was at least 60 cents less than last year Pesach. Cutlets which sold for $4.29 pre-purim were selling for $2.59. The market of course will grow but not as fast as the supply has increased. The producers will either cut costs or go out of business. The Orthodox market which uses only glatt can't absorb a dozen suppliers. Niche suppliers of so-called frummer and more mehadrin meats which have fancy prices for those who think they are ultra frum will also exist.

as a point of comparison, my friends buy locally raised/slaughtered beef, no hormones or antibiotics at wholefoods for $3 -- $5 a pound for top quality cuts. No wonder we're all going bankrupt.

btw -- my parents think anyone who eats glatt only is an absurd ultra frumme, so depends where you seat as to what perspective you have.

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 Apr 13, 2010 at 06:48 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #23  
Anonymous Says:

Is this Hershey Friedman from Montreal that has his name on a few buildings in Mir Jerusalem??

That's the same one. He's also got his name on one of yeshivah gevoha in lakewood's buildings, as well as on the oiz vehuder shas.

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 Apr 13, 2010 at 07:13 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #34  
in the know Says:

Actually the OU and the CHK are on two diffrent labels, OU on Aaron's and CHK on Shor Habor, so i'm not sure how OU is "giving a rubber stamp on CHK."

Secondly, Tartikov has chumros that they are instituting AND are bringing their own shochtim and that is FACT.

Someone also posted falsely that they are shechting upright, that is NOT TRUE, Agri Star is still doing schita munachas at this time.

From 80 siman in halacha you say that chumra is to bring own own. sochtim what a joke CHK has experience years and has a bis din that knows all halach and practice who is TARTIKOV? We still remember the restaurant story

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 Apr 13, 2010 at 03:55 PM Ezzie Says:

In the near future we hope that Friedman will export meat to Montreal. This will help the many frum families that are taxed by the Vaad monopoly on hashgachaga and their outdated ban on shchutai chutz. Do to the total lack of compition Montrealers pay the highest prices for meat in North America.

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 Apr 13, 2010 at 07:19 PM alter yeshiva buchar Says:

Reply to #36  
Anonymous Says:

That's the same one. He's also got his name on one of yeshivah gevoha in lakewood's buildings, as well as on the oiz vehuder shas.

Shhh... For 86% return trough the years

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 Apr 13, 2010 at 07:29 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #34  
in the know Says:

Actually the OU and the CHK are on two diffrent labels, OU on Aaron's and CHK on Shor Habor, so i'm not sure how OU is "giving a rubber stamp on CHK."

Secondly, Tartikov has chumros that they are instituting AND are bringing their own shochtim and that is FACT.

Someone also posted falsely that they are shechting upright, that is NOT TRUE, Agri Star is still doing schita munachas at this time.

Tartikov is known to live with all dropped hecsherim 1)Mezonot maven.. 2)Regency nursing home (that provided under their certification chumutz gefilta fish in pessach) and now this one good luck

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 Apr 13, 2010 at 07:42 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #35  
Anonymous Says:

as a point of comparison, my friends buy locally raised/slaughtered beef, no hormones or antibiotics at wholefoods for $3 -- $5 a pound for top quality cuts. No wonder we're all going bankrupt.

btw -- my parents think anyone who eats glatt only is an absurd ultra frumme, so depends where you seat as to what perspective you have.

No one is buying such beef at whole foods for $3-5/pound, unless maybe if they run a special on hamburger.

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 Apr 13, 2010 at 07:43 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #18  
to #7 Says:

ou

And CHK

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 Apr 13, 2010 at 07:53 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #26  
Dave Says:

Read the article.

Iowa is providing the $600k and the tax credits. Not the town of Postville.

I disagree with the prosecutors (although I did read the report they filed). I think the report from the US Probation Office is more in line with an appropriate sentence, given the gravity of the offenses, the losses suffered by the victims, and the nature of the fraud scheme.

It is worth noting that in a country in which people are sentenced to Life in Prison (in State Courts) for relatively minor offenses (including stealing cookies or shoes), arguing that a deliberate fraud of between $4million (Rubashkin's Defense Team's Figure) and $10 million (The Government Figure) is being disproportionately punished is a bit disingenuous. Or at least it is if you never cared about the people getting Life for minor crimes.

Bluntly, when you are guilty (and the defense filings, the paperwork trail, and the court records make it abundantly clear that even if you ignore the money laundering, the hiring of illegal immigrants, and the deliberate delay in paying suppliers, SMR was guilty of a deliberate multi-million dollar fraud scheme), you make a deal with the prosecutors.

You are wrong on all your facts and sound like a miserable hate monger. PPl do not go to prisoin for like for minor offenses. And the bank did not lose money untiol the gov shut SMR down. They were perfectly happy collecting their fees. WOW a 4 mill fraud is pennies compared to what u read about every day. peanuts.

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 Apr 13, 2010 at 07:56 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #12  
esq Says:

Well Obama did say he would redistribute the wealth. So he took a perfectly profitable company, through the direction and control of the INS and justice Dpt., bankrupted it by refusing to allow it to operate, and then practically handpicked a sucessor by requiring federal approval of the purchaser. not that I have any particular opinion on the new owner, I am glad it is a yid -- but whose pocket does the 600k in tax credits come from - YOURS.

bravo!

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 Apr 13, 2010 at 08:22 PM HaMayvin Yavin Says:

Reply to #34  
in the know Says:

Actually the OU and the CHK are on two diffrent labels, OU on Aaron's and CHK on Shor Habor, so i'm not sure how OU is "giving a rubber stamp on CHK."

Secondly, Tartikov has chumros that they are instituting AND are bringing their own shochtim and that is FACT.

Someone also posted falsely that they are shechting upright, that is NOT TRUE, Agri Star is still doing schita munachas at this time.

OU is using the CHK shochtim. There is no OU representative in the plant. That, to me, is a rubber stamp. Who paskens the sheylos that come up there? Do you have a name of a Rav that only works for the OU?

What are the chumros that Tartikov is instituting? Everyone would love to know.

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 Apr 13, 2010 at 08:22 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #42  
Anonymous Says:

And CHK

I am working here n postville for CHK tartikov is a label that will be leaded trough us with a minor change from 2 new sochtim otherwise it remains our TZEVET!

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 Apr 13, 2010 at 08:38 PM Anonymous Says:

Believe me GUYS trust a old meat company that owners and their hecsher is own for years versus a new owner and new hecsher in the meat business that no acknowledge besides running a plastic factory 24/7

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 Apr 13, 2010 at 08:57 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #26  
Dave Says:

Read the article.

Iowa is providing the $600k and the tax credits. Not the town of Postville.

I disagree with the prosecutors (although I did read the report they filed). I think the report from the US Probation Office is more in line with an appropriate sentence, given the gravity of the offenses, the losses suffered by the victims, and the nature of the fraud scheme.

It is worth noting that in a country in which people are sentenced to Life in Prison (in State Courts) for relatively minor offenses (including stealing cookies or shoes), arguing that a deliberate fraud of between $4million (Rubashkin's Defense Team's Figure) and $10 million (The Government Figure) is being disproportionately punished is a bit disingenuous. Or at least it is if you never cared about the people getting Life for minor crimes.

Bluntly, when you are guilty (and the defense filings, the paperwork trail, and the court records make it abundantly clear that even if you ignore the money laundering, the hiring of illegal immigrants, and the deliberate delay in paying suppliers, SMR was guilty of a deliberate multi-million dollar fraud scheme), you make a deal with the prosecutors.

I do not believe one word you wrote. People are sentenced for life in prison in for Iowa for stealing cookies or shoes? Give me a break!
I'm not sure about the money part, but why aren't there more raids on other companies with illegal workers in the State of Iowa? Where they all working in the Agriprocessor plant?
Deliberately delay paying suppliers? Excuse me nobody even knew of that law until the prosecutors searched under the rocks to find it. So although I'm not so familiar with the money part, I'm sure it was blown out of proportion like the rest of this case was, because if the fruad was so bad as the prosecutors want us to believe then the bank would've sued Rubashkin themselves.

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 Apr 13, 2010 at 09:39 PM rivka Says:

"which is more than 87 percent fewer cattle than what Agriprocessors produced."
What does THIS mean?

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 Apr 13, 2010 at 09:44 PM Anonymous Says:

The pictures says a lot! Bal Gaveh Shrica FOOY!

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 Apr 13, 2010 at 10:16 PM Dave Says:

Reply to #48  
Anonymous Says:

I do not believe one word you wrote. People are sentenced for life in prison in for Iowa for stealing cookies or shoes? Give me a break!
I'm not sure about the money part, but why aren't there more raids on other companies with illegal workers in the State of Iowa? Where they all working in the Agriprocessor plant?
Deliberately delay paying suppliers? Excuse me nobody even knew of that law until the prosecutors searched under the rocks to find it. So although I'm not so familiar with the money part, I'm sure it was blown out of proportion like the rest of this case was, because if the fruad was so bad as the prosecutors want us to believe then the bank would've sued Rubashkin themselves.

I cannot help what you do and don't chose to believe. It is a matter of fact that in the United States there are people doing life for minor offenses (including stealing shoes or cookies) that served as their "Third Strike" under various state laws. I do not know if there are any in Iowa, nor did I claim there were.

Incidentally, the bank not only sued Sholom and Aaron Rubashkin, they won.

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 Apr 13, 2010 at 10:38 PM Anonymous Says:

Why did Rabbi Weissmandel take off his Hechsher???????
If you know please post

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 Apr 13, 2010 at 10:47 PM Dave Says:

Reply to #51  
Dave Says:

I cannot help what you do and don't chose to believe. It is a matter of fact that in the United States there are people doing life for minor offenses (including stealing shoes or cookies) that served as their "Third Strike" under various state laws. I do not know if there are any in Iowa, nor did I claim there were.

Incidentally, the bank not only sued Sholom and Aaron Rubashkin, they won.

((In fairness, if I recall correctly, the lawsuit they won was based on a personal guarantee of the loan, rather than on the direct fraud itself))

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 Apr 13, 2010 at 11:57 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #52  
Anonymous Says:

Why did Rabbi Weissmandel take off his Hechsher???????
If you know please post

not only Rabbi Weismandel left but also all his sochtim, postville lost 30 shtrimlech passed 3 month only 3 left behind...

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 Apr 14, 2010 at 12:00 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #40  
Anonymous Says:

Tartikov is known to live with all dropped hecsherim 1)Mezonot maven.. 2)Regency nursing home (that provided under their certification chumutz gefilta fish in pessach) and now this one good luck

u must be the Nirbater's son or maybe the terrorist himself

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 Apr 14, 2010 at 12:05 AM yosher Says:

Reply to #52  
Anonymous Says:

Why did Rabbi Weissmandel take off his Hechsher???????
If you know please post

Rabbi weissmandel took off his hasguche, because hershy's son in law with directions from his shver started harrassing the shochtim if they didn't do in kashros what hershy wants

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 Apr 14, 2010 at 01:14 AM No more from agri without Weismandel Says:

Reply to #56  
yosher Says:

Rabbi weissmandel took off his hasguche, because hershy's son in law with directions from his shver started harrassing the shochtim if they didn't do in kashros what hershy wants

Well, It's a real disappointment for us. We bought out everything our local store had with Weismandel's hechsher, and unless it has CHK, that's it for us. No more hot dogs, cold cuts, turkey legs, whatever. And everyone I know who values Weismandel's standards has the same problem.

It speaks volumes that he pulled his hechsher. A real pity.

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 Apr 14, 2010 at 01:22 AM Anonymous Says:

lets hope he gives tzedaka similarly to smr...the yeshiva aint doin too well there

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 Apr 14, 2010 at 07:32 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #10  
Anonymous Says:

just the opposite. This Pesach's meat prices were the highest ever. One store a week before pesach raised their prices by $1.49 a pound for all types of meat. A day after pesach they lowered the price by that exact amount. Interesting the meat was the same. All meat are kosher for pesach all year long. There is no reason for any increase in prices

That why i buy meat on sale few months earlier as the store increases the $$ when Pesach is around the corner. Wrap with two bags to separate from others in teh freezer (big one if you have one).

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 Apr 14, 2010 at 07:37 AM Anonymous Says:

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Anonymous Says:

Let's make a simple calculation 560 workers a day min pay is 10$ each work atleast 10 hours equals 56,000 a day labor cost the kill 90 heads a day each animal min cost 1000 so we have another 90,000 and 20,000 chikens a day additional cost for sochtim is atleast 50,000 a day so where. All non kosher cows are a brutal lost how would the company make profit in today economy?

they sell the non kosher parts to non kosher meat companies. And they must have cerfication and magichah (sp) cost money too. that why they charge so much $$. I admit that i miss the treif meat prices i used to buy.

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 Apr 14, 2010 at 07:40 AM Anonymous Says:

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Ezzie Says:

In the near future we hope that Friedman will export meat to Montreal. This will help the many frum families that are taxed by the Vaad monopoly on hashgachaga and their outdated ban on shchutai chutz. Do to the total lack of compition Montrealers pay the highest prices for meat in North America.

Interesting, my local butcher shop buy beef from Canada and the price is costly.

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 Apr 14, 2010 at 10:10 AM .. Says:

What were the chumros that Weismandl put in? What were the chumros that Tartikov put in? How are they different fron OU and CHK?

This is important. Are we paying for Chumros or shtus??? Is the meat better if the shoichet goes to the Mikva twice a day, instead of once a day??

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 Apr 14, 2010 at 11:52 AM OMG Says:

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Anonymous Says:

Why did Iowa do what??? And you dont think it is anti-semitic? have you read the book? Do you see what theya re soing to Rubashkin - asking for life imprisionment for bank fraud aganist a bank that made 21 millkion profit on the dael - and hiring immigrants - the same ones that get everything free in Amerika. No one cares so much about immigrants - who BTW were living much better than the slums they crawled out of and now crawled back into. When my grandparents cam to the USA no one gave them nothin - and they wd hv been perfectly happy living in Agri subsidized homes earingin a decent living. And not being abused. instead they lived in tenements and no one cared if they had warter or food - they had to fend for themselves. And they did it w/o the help opf the govt thanks very much.

What is wrong with you? Read the governments sentencing memorandum, the government claims that the bank lost over 25 million dollars and if you include compounding interest it is more than 30 million dollars. Additionally I am willing to bet any amount, that if your grandparents came to the US after World War II they received government help via government refugee relocation agencies. If you provide me with their names and year they came to this country. I will do the research and prove to you that they got help.
Finally, the way you describe these humans reminds me of the way the Nazis describe the Jew. Congratulation you are using the same derogatory descriptions as the Nazis

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 Apr 14, 2010 at 11:54 AM OMG Says:

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Dave Says:

Read the article.

Iowa is providing the $600k and the tax credits. Not the town of Postville.

I disagree with the prosecutors (although I did read the report they filed). I think the report from the US Probation Office is more in line with an appropriate sentence, given the gravity of the offenses, the losses suffered by the victims, and the nature of the fraud scheme.

It is worth noting that in a country in which people are sentenced to Life in Prison (in State Courts) for relatively minor offenses (including stealing cookies or shoes), arguing that a deliberate fraud of between $4million (Rubashkin's Defense Team's Figure) and $10 million (The Government Figure) is being disproportionately punished is a bit disingenuous. Or at least it is if you never cared about the people getting Life for minor crimes.

Bluntly, when you are guilty (and the defense filings, the paperwork trail, and the court records make it abundantly clear that even if you ignore the money laundering, the hiring of illegal immigrants, and the deliberate delay in paying suppliers, SMR was guilty of a deliberate multi-million dollar fraud scheme), you make a deal with the prosecutors.

Please see page 24 of the governments sentencing memorandum were the government assert that the principal balance on the loan for FBBC and MBFB loss equaled $29,944,981. And if you reduce the future sale price of the by fair market value of the remaining unsold collateral the total loss would still be a $26,944,981. See page 28 SMR’s lawyer calculate the loss at 8.5 million dollars. Suffice to say that the only reason why SMR lawyers claim the loss to be less because they are using gimmicks to reduce the overall numbers. Their computation by itself is a fraud on the court they know that their numbers is deceptive, and will be rejected by the court.

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 Apr 14, 2010 at 11:55 AM OMG Says:

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mottel Says:

Cursed be peta and the unions that smashed a profitable company and incarcerated an innocent man. May they be treated like the cattle they worship. That being said, may G-d grant the new owner much hatzlocho

Stop looking for a boogie man, there are none. SMR did indeed committed fraud which was more than the usual fraud; it was a complicated undertaking with mummeries players doing SMR’s bidding. Peta, unions didn’t do anything. As to your assertion that the company was profitable you don’t know what you’re talking about. If the company was profitable then why did SMR have to resort to fraud a year before the raid? You know why, because his business model didn’t work, and the only way he was able to raise cash was thought fraud.

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 Apr 14, 2010 at 02:30 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #65  
OMG Says:

Stop looking for a boogie man, there are none. SMR did indeed committed fraud which was more than the usual fraud; it was a complicated undertaking with mummeries players doing SMR’s bidding. Peta, unions didn’t do anything. As to your assertion that the company was profitable you don’t know what you’re talking about. If the company was profitable then why did SMR have to resort to fraud a year before the raid? You know why, because his business model didn’t work, and the only way he was able to raise cash was thought fraud.

How can you talk about a frum businessman involved in fraud? No such thing.

Such a person would not be frum. And, if you believe some of the bloggers here, he lost his Yichus and is not even Jewish

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 Apr 18, 2010 at 11:01 PM who are you Says:

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Dave Says:

((In fairness, if I recall correctly, the lawsuit they won was based on a personal guarantee of the loan, rather than on the direct fraud itself))

Are you a rachmon, one of the simonim of a his is rachmonim. Call your shiksa mother and find out the truth about your yichus. May you be prosecuted for everything illegal you've ever done, don't worry I'm sure you're righteous.

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