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Brooklyn, NY - Historic Conference Addresses Child Abuse In Summer Camps

Published on: April 30, 2010 10:33 AM
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A seventeen page handbook, in both English and YiddishBrooklyn, NY - At an unprecedented meeting in Flatbush last night,  directors of thirty six summer camps met to discuss the issue of child molestation in summer camps,  bringing to the forefront an issue which, unfortunately, does occur in Jewish summer camps, but more often than not is quietly ignored.  This marks, perhaps, the first time the issue of sexual abuse in summer camps has been openly addressed on such a large scale.  The meeting was spearheaded by Beth Kaplan, director of Sacred Lives, a small and relatively unknown that deals with child molestation in the frum community.  Dozens of camps catering to the yeshivish and Chassidic communities signed on for this initiative.

A seventeen page handbook, in both English and Yiddish, distributed to all participants contained many useful tools for dealing with this serious problem.  Included in the handbook was a sample letter to be mailed to parents before the start of the summer, encouraging them to speak to their children about this issue and a fact sheet for parents containing suggestions for discussing this delicate issue with their children, both of which were prepared by Moetzes Gedolei HaTorah of Agudath Israel of America. The handbook also contained suggested rules for appropriate staff behavior and guidelines for dealing with a child who has been sexually abused. 

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The camps who participated are:
BYA DAY CAMP, CAMP ADAS YEREIM, CAMP AGUDAH, CAMP ANNA HELLER, CAMP BAIS YAAKOV, CAMP BNEI SHIMON YISROEL SHOPRON, CAMP BNOS, CAMP BONIM, CAMP CHAVIVA, CAMP CHAYA SARAH, CAMP DARKEI EMUNAH, CAMP EMUNAH, CAMP KOCHAVIM, CAMP L’MAN ACHAI, CAMP MA-NA-Vu, CAMP MORRIS, CAMP NAALEH, CAMP OHR SHRAGA, CAMP RAYIM, CAMP REDAD OF LUSK, CAMP SHALOH, CAMP SHALVA OF MONTICELLO, CAMP SHIRA, CAMP SILVER LAKE, CAMP SIMCHA/CAMP SIMCHA SPECIAL, CAMP STERNBERG, CAMP TORAS CHESED, CAMP YEDIDIM, CAMP YESHIVA CHABAD SUMMER ADVENTURE, MACHNE BNOS SQUARE, MACHANE MASORES, MACHNE SVA ROTZHON, NOAM DAY CAMP, PROSPECT PARK DAY CAMP, TORAS CHAIM TASHBAR.

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 Apr 30, 2010 at 10:37 AM Anonymous Says:

camps can deal with it all they want, but if kids and parents are pressured not to testify as has been done in the past, then nothing has changed.

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 Apr 30, 2010 at 10:39 AM Anonymous Says:

the camp not listed above is the one that has had the most problems with this issue over the years...

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 Apr 30, 2010 at 10:49 AM Anonymous Says:

Thank you Rabbi Nochum Rosenberg!

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 Apr 30, 2010 at 10:55 AM finally Says:

finally somwone is waking up
save our inocent children now!!

how camps hire any low life that pulls up

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 Apr 30, 2010 at 10:53 AM Luke Says:

Interesting that no mention of contacting the authorities occurs until page 14. Sure, tell the Camp Director and the Rav but no police or DA interaction? I concur with Anon1, parents- do not be dissuaded by anyone from seeking legal intervention.

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 Apr 30, 2010 at 10:56 AM Anonymous Says:

Kudos to Mrs. Beth Kaplan for her drive in organizing the asifa.

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 Apr 30, 2010 at 11:11 AM Anonymous Says:

This report highlights the need to create a centralized "background checking" organization that would perform clearences for all the yiddeshe schools, camps and mosdos to properly and thoroughly screen All potential hires who would work with yinglach but do so in accordance with daas torah and halacha.

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 Apr 30, 2010 at 11:21 AM monsey hocker Says:

In reply to #1 & #5
Are either of you rabanim who are equiped with the halachic understanding to make such decisions !! There are huge issues that must be taken into consideration when involving any secular government in any aspect of yidishkeit!! Who are you to brazenly defy the spiritual leaders of our generation !! Unfortunately it is people like you who take matters into their own hands without consulting das torah who are constantly causing problems for jews across the globe !! We have seen throughout history terrible things come about when yidden act without hadracha from the gedolim !!!!

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 Apr 30, 2010 at 11:32 AM Anonymous Says:

your child is the most precious thing in the world. all parents should report any type of abuse to the highest authority immediately.

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 Apr 30, 2010 at 11:51 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #5  
Luke Says:

Interesting that no mention of contacting the authorities occurs until page 14. Sure, tell the Camp Director and the Rav but no police or DA interaction? I concur with Anon1, parents- do not be dissuaded by anyone from seeking legal intervention.

there is one major boys camp which is not listed! This is very scary for us parents with kids in that camp

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 Apr 30, 2010 at 11:50 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #5  
Luke Says:

Interesting that no mention of contacting the authorities occurs until page 14. Sure, tell the Camp Director and the Rav but no police or DA interaction? I concur with Anon1, parents- do not be dissuaded by anyone from seeking legal intervention.

While I can understand your opinion and tend to agree with it I am concerned. We are living RIGHT NOW with such an awful situation and watching how Sholom Rubashkin is being treated. In no way shape or form am I comparing white collar bank fraud to molestation! All I am saying is that we must think long and hard before we hand over a yid to the American Judicial vultures. Not for the one who did molest but for the one who did not but is being accused of it. That person will never get a fair chance.

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 Apr 30, 2010 at 11:40 AM Gregaaron Says:

Reply to #9  
monsey hocker Says:

In reply to #1 & #5
Are either of you rabanim who are equiped with the halachic understanding to make such decisions !! There are huge issues that must be taken into consideration when involving any secular government in any aspect of yidishkeit!! Who are you to brazenly defy the spiritual leaders of our generation !! Unfortunately it is people like you who take matters into their own hands without consulting das torah who are constantly causing problems for jews across the globe !! We have seen throughout history terrible things come about when yidden act without hadracha from the gedolim !!!!

You're absolutely right, but for the most part, the so called "advocates" prefer to ignore Halacha, and take matters into their own hands. All in the name of "protecting the children", of course.

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 Apr 30, 2010 at 11:59 AM Anonymous Says:

It's not easy for parents to make a decision to press the matter further. It's not easy for a camp director to fire someone. It's not so simple to make background checks and always receive total or correct information. The professionals who deal with this constantly have the knowledge and experience required to write about this and to talk about it, and everybody else should listen. Hashem clearly states often in the Torah, leman yishmeu v'yirouh, ki Ani Hashem. Of course any response to an issue must be clearly thought out and tempered. But something must be done and we can't always worry about the effect on the alleged perpetrator or his family.

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 Apr 30, 2010 at 12:01 PM Sweep it under the rug Says:

Reply to #9  
monsey hocker Says:

In reply to #1 & #5
Are either of you rabanim who are equiped with the halachic understanding to make such decisions !! There are huge issues that must be taken into consideration when involving any secular government in any aspect of yidishkeit!! Who are you to brazenly defy the spiritual leaders of our generation !! Unfortunately it is people like you who take matters into their own hands without consulting das torah who are constantly causing problems for jews across the globe !! We have seen throughout history terrible things come about when yidden act without hadracha from the gedolim !!!!

Have you ever wondered why it is only recently that the Rabbanim are dealing with molestation? What happened to the last 50 years? You think there weren't problems in yeshivos? There were. You think the Rabbanim and Roshei Yeshivah didn't know about it? They did. One very famous case that everyone heard of was doing it in Yeshivah to talmidim and in a certain summer camp for almost 40 years! The Rabbanim knew but for whatever reason didn't do anything about it. they kept it "quiet." That's why with this issue people feel like it is in the victims best interest to go to the police.

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 Apr 30, 2010 at 12:08 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #9  
monsey hocker Says:

In reply to #1 & #5
Are either of you rabanim who are equiped with the halachic understanding to make such decisions !! There are huge issues that must be taken into consideration when involving any secular government in any aspect of yidishkeit!! Who are you to brazenly defy the spiritual leaders of our generation !! Unfortunately it is people like you who take matters into their own hands without consulting das torah who are constantly causing problems for jews across the globe !! We have seen throughout history terrible things come about when yidden act without hadracha from the gedolim !!!!

#9 said
There are huge issues that must be taken into consideration when involving any secular government in any aspect of yidishkeit!!
Well,sorry to shock you but; molestation and the behaviors being discussed have no part in Yiddishkeit.
I and many others will brazenly defy what you define as Daas Torah to stop this behavior.
Note: I am not defying Daas Torah, the issue is who defines Daas Torah. Having a known pervert frolic with kids in water rides as happened last year can not be OK according to real Daas Torah.

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 Apr 30, 2010 at 12:43 PM Still suffering from abuse Says:

Reply to #13  
Gregaaron Says:

You're absolutely right, but for the most part, the so called "advocates" prefer to ignore Halacha, and take matters into their own hands. All in the name of "protecting the children", of course.

You need to check your facts as the rabbonim have spoken about this already. The psak was to go to the police immediately. You would not be in the situation you are presently in had I gone to the police. We share the same menuval.

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 Apr 30, 2010 at 12:59 PM Anon Ibid Opcit Says:

Reply to #9  
monsey hocker Says:

In reply to #1 & #5
Are either of you rabanim who are equiped with the halachic understanding to make such decisions !! There are huge issues that must be taken into consideration when involving any secular government in any aspect of yidishkeit!! Who are you to brazenly defy the spiritual leaders of our generation !! Unfortunately it is people like you who take matters into their own hands without consulting das torah who are constantly causing problems for jews across the globe !! We have seen throughout history terrible things come about when yidden act without hadracha from the gedolim !!!!

Are you or your rabbis police officers with training in investigating violent and sexual crimes?

No?

Then you and they are completely unqualified in these matters and should stay out. These are crimes. Failure to report them means the blood and suffering of the little children are on your hands and on your soul. Because the monsters WILL reoffend if they are not caught, exposed and imprisoned.

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 Apr 30, 2010 at 01:11 PM rpmimu Says:

what about camp romimu why did they opt out of the meeting?

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 Apr 30, 2010 at 01:33 PM Anonymous Says:

Now lets do something abut drugalcohol and spousal abuse

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 Apr 30, 2010 at 02:00 PM Anonymous Says:

I applaud the efforts here, but as a camper who experience and witness horrible things, i will NEVER send my male children to sleep away camp.

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 Apr 30, 2010 at 03:25 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #20  
Anonymous Says:

Now lets do something abut drugalcohol and spousal abuse

We're gettin' there. But first things first. Drug and alcohol abuse are primarily self-inflicted and self-impacting Pecados (as opposed to Pecadillos).Imh"o. Part of the delay in confronting (now this is not meant as a cop-out) the very severe issue of child-molestation can be attributed to the mistaken belief that "This too shall pass". Had the educators and law enforcement people and family members of the victims perceived the impact of this crime and the lasting negative effect on its victims. they would certainly have taken a more severe stand in going after the perpetrators and making them pay for their crimes!

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 Apr 30, 2010 at 04:22 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #15  
Sweep it under the rug Says:

Have you ever wondered why it is only recently that the Rabbanim are dealing with molestation? What happened to the last 50 years? You think there weren't problems in yeshivos? There were. You think the Rabbanim and Roshei Yeshivah didn't know about it? They did. One very famous case that everyone heard of was doing it in Yeshivah to talmidim and in a certain summer camp for almost 40 years! The Rabbanim knew but for whatever reason didn't do anything about it. they kept it "quiet." That's why with this issue people feel like it is in the victims best interest to go to the police.

What maked u think rabbonim didn't do anything about it? Mayb they have to let the parents of the whole yeshive know their way of dealing with it? How r u so sure that publicity and being so open to allis the right approach?if it would b ur child c"v would u put him on the stand?nuchem rosenberg is the one daas torah today?cmon this is a very delicate subject that needs to b dealt in a different way. I know for a fact that there r askonim rabonim and gedolim involved.

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 Apr 30, 2010 at 05:05 PM PMO Says:

The problem is that rabbonim are ill-equipped to deal with this problem. The proof is in the pudding. One dog, in particular, who molested over a dozen children is being shielded by rabbonim. He will never answer for his crime.

I have a friend whose son was molested by the son of a prominent Rav. There were WITNESSES and even another victim. By the time this Rav and his band of conspirators were done, the witnesses recanted and the other victim (who is now frei) recanted as well. That other victim has since come forward and told his story. The lying ate him up inside and his parents never did anything to help him deal with it. He ended up doing drugs. He recently start his path back to yiddishkeit but it is slow-going and he is very fearful. One of the witnesses later wrote my friend's son a letter of apology. He stated that his parents forced him to lie to the police.

It can no longer be proven and the lies have tainted the testimony. This animal will never see justice and he still works with children.

So when someone says "rabbonim know how to deal with it", don't believe it. Maybe give them first crack, but if it starts to stink, call 911 ASAP.

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 Apr 30, 2010 at 05:10 PM nebach Says:

Reply to #9  
monsey hocker Says:

In reply to #1 & #5
Are either of you rabanim who are equiped with the halachic understanding to make such decisions !! There are huge issues that must be taken into consideration when involving any secular government in any aspect of yidishkeit!! Who are you to brazenly defy the spiritual leaders of our generation !! Unfortunately it is people like you who take matters into their own hands without consulting das torah who are constantly causing problems for jews across the globe !! We have seen throughout history terrible things come about when yidden act without hadracha from the gedolim !!!!

Rav Elysahiv paskened as did Reb Shlomo Zalman Aeurbach, Z"TL that you must report abusers to the police. Rav Eliezer Silver said the same thing 50 years ago...Enough with this Daas Torah nonsense. The rabbis who pressure people not to report should be ashamed of themselves. They have the blood of Jewish children on their hands.

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 Apr 30, 2010 at 05:47 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #28  
nebach Says:

Rav Elysahiv paskened as did Reb Shlomo Zalman Aeurbach, Z"TL that you must report abusers to the police. Rav Eliezer Silver said the same thing 50 years ago...Enough with this Daas Torah nonsense. The rabbis who pressure people not to report should be ashamed of themselves. They have the blood of Jewish children on their hands.

Quoting these Rabbonim that may not have been or may not be exactly aware of how cases are tried and prosecuted by Police and the DA in the USA nowadays is not a plausible argument. There has to be a reason why RDC is a Daas Yachid. The tactics of the DA in Iowa are even being criticized by non-Jews and we are all in agreement that laws were broken in that situation.

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 Apr 30, 2010 at 06:27 PM Pinny Says:

Thank you Mark M. Appel For co sponsoring this. You are always the one who is pro active. While we all complain, you not just talk the talk you walk the walk. You are there for victims and for the cause. You are the only one that I know personally, that whenever you get involved you spend your own money and lots of it. Keep it up buddy.

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 May 01, 2010 at 10:17 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #9  
monsey hocker Says:

In reply to #1 & #5
Are either of you rabanim who are equiped with the halachic understanding to make such decisions !! There are huge issues that must be taken into consideration when involving any secular government in any aspect of yidishkeit!! Who are you to brazenly defy the spiritual leaders of our generation !! Unfortunately it is people like you who take matters into their own hands without consulting das torah who are constantly causing problems for jews across the globe !! We have seen throughout history terrible things come about when yidden act without hadracha from the gedolim !!!!

monsey hockers like you generally have no life and fit the profile of someone wo would either abuse, or defend abusers, and because there are so many lowlives like you in our community, and everything is "daas torah" nobody has been doing anything and thats why theres so much abuse. Get your head on straight.

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 May 01, 2010 at 10:48 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #2  
Anonymous Says:

the camp not listed above is the one that has had the most problems with this issue over the years...

They were listed! Except, you didn't identify them! Shows how much YOU know!

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 May 01, 2010 at 10:53 PM Anonymous Says:

how about mogen av?

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 May 01, 2010 at 11:03 PM open to children Says:

Reply to #27  
PMO Says:

The problem is that rabbonim are ill-equipped to deal with this problem. The proof is in the pudding. One dog, in particular, who molested over a dozen children is being shielded by rabbonim. He will never answer for his crime.

I have a friend whose son was molested by the son of a prominent Rav. There were WITNESSES and even another victim. By the time this Rav and his band of conspirators were done, the witnesses recanted and the other victim (who is now frei) recanted as well. That other victim has since come forward and told his story. The lying ate him up inside and his parents never did anything to help him deal with it. He ended up doing drugs. He recently start his path back to yiddishkeit but it is slow-going and he is very fearful. One of the witnesses later wrote my friend's son a letter of apology. He stated that his parents forced him to lie to the police.

It can no longer be proven and the lies have tainted the testimony. This animal will never see justice and he still works with children.

So when someone says "rabbonim know how to deal with it", don't believe it. Maybe give them first crack, but if it starts to stink, call 911 ASAP.

Kids who are not forthcoming to there parents after an abuse took place are most vulnerable.
They have no one to talk to and no one that will listen to them.

Therefore it is every parents obligation to tell and teach their kids that wherever they have clothing no one is supposed to touch them no matter who it is a teacher rabbi principal etc. Except parents and a doctor when parents are present.
And how to deal with it if chas v'sholom something happenes is very delicate and it is not just a 911 call. Cause sometimes (li
ke in the Lebowits case) the whole case might depend on a drug addicts t
estimony and convict a father for a undeserved max

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 May 01, 2010 at 11:11 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #11  
Anonymous Says:

there is one major boys camp which is not listed! This is very scary for us parents with kids in that camp

Shouldn't pple know which one your talking about

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 May 02, 2010 at 01:14 AM Gregaaron Says:

Reply to #17  
Still suffering from abuse Says:

You need to check your facts as the rabbonim have spoken about this already. The psak was to go to the police immediately. You would not be in the situation you are presently in had I gone to the police. We share the same menuval.

It's okay, I don't hold anything against you. I think that when it comes down to the facts of what to do, most of the people in the community - most - agree on what should be done. It is, as you point out, in line with Da'as Torah. The problem I have is with those who use this as a springboard to advance their own personal agendas, even those that go completely against everything that we stand for. I know that you are not one of those - this is a serious issue that of course needs to be dealt with, but not by the likes of VP and anonymous bloggers. Kol Hakavod!

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 May 02, 2010 at 01:22 AM Gregaaron Says:

Reply to #21  
Anonymous Says:

I applaud the efforts here, but as a camper who experience and witness horrible things, i will NEVER send my male children to sleep away camp.

Do you really think that that's the best thing for them? Just like you, I know all too well what goes on in camps - yet I have no doubt that my children will be going away for the summers, G-d (and them) willing. To paraphrase what a Rebbe of mine once told me, our past history will always be there as a reminder - and a learning tool - of what is right and wrong. However, we can't allow it to have a disproportionate effect on the rest of our lives.

I am sure that you realize the benefits of kids going away to camp. The summer can do wonders for many children. Unfortunately, that works both ways. But with most kids, explaining to them what is and isn't acceptable for them, and which kids they shouldn't be building a relationship with, is sufficient enough to forestall any major problems. If that's not enough to keep them away from things, it's just as likely to happen during the rest of the year, or in day camp, or whatever.

Your kids won't be six for the rest of their lives. Be there for them, and make sure that they know they always have someone to talk to. As one who has "been around the block", you're in a better position than most. But you can't allow it to dictate your life.

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 May 02, 2010 at 01:25 AM Gregaaron Says:

Reply to #35  
Anonymous Says:

Shouldn't pple know which one your talking about

No, there is no reason to publicize it. If your son is going to a camp that is not on the list, it is up to you to take whatever action you feel necessary. But why should everyone else's attention be drawn to it? (I guarantee you that there is not one camp director who would take the side of the molesters. Even if any of them are themselves disgusting perverts - which they aren't - there is a financial aspect to consider as well.)

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 May 02, 2010 at 02:47 AM Anonymous Says:

THANK YOU MARK MEYER APPEL!!!

Finally, agudah is willing to do something after being chased after my Beth Kaplan and Mark Appel and the other tzadikkim and tzadikot that are busying themselves in protecting our children.

TIZKU L'MITZVOS!!!

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 May 02, 2010 at 10:06 AM anony Says:

Reply to #36  
Gregaaron Says:

It's okay, I don't hold anything against you. I think that when it comes down to the facts of what to do, most of the people in the community - most - agree on what should be done. It is, as you point out, in line with Da'as Torah. The problem I have is with those who use this as a springboard to advance their own personal agendas, even those that go completely against everything that we stand for. I know that you are not one of those - this is a serious issue that of course needs to be dealt with, but not by the likes of VP and anonymous bloggers. Kol Hakavod!

I disagree the camp (post of #11) should be publicized. Sometimes important info is covered up too well and people can't find out so easily. If it is a fact - then yes let others be aware of it. Why hide it? to create another victim?

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 May 02, 2010 at 10:30 AM Anon. Says:

If your child's camp is not on the list please call them and speak to them about it. You can also ask Beth Kaplan from SACRED Lives to help with educational material.
An issue to stress is that these matters needed to be handled by professionals with the proper training ei. mental health professionals. We have several agencies with mental health professionals who are Torah observant and have gone to school for years to be able to deal with these problems. They will be sensitive to cultural religious issues. No self respecting Rabbi or Askin would want to give advice in a field that they are not qualified in.

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 May 02, 2010 at 11:20 AM Anon. Says:

Thank you VIN for making the pdf. available to the community.

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 May 02, 2010 at 03:51 PM Still coming to terms with it Says:

Well this is great and all - 36 years too late for myself and AT LEAST one other kid in my bunk who underwent some serious trauma while staff would look the other way and pretend nothing was happening. Yep - Camp KRN was a real turning point for messing up my psyche ... I hope no other kid ever has to know the shame, guilt confusion, loneliness and darkness that molestation brings about. To that end - I implore that calling the local authorities should be the first step - not the last. No camp director has the legal or forensic knowledge to determine if a crime has been committed, that's why law enforcement exists. See if you can make use of them.

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 May 02, 2010 at 05:01 PM PMO Says:

Reply to #34  
open to children Says:

Kids who are not forthcoming to there parents after an abuse took place are most vulnerable.
They have no one to talk to and no one that will listen to them.

Therefore it is every parents obligation to tell and teach their kids that wherever they have clothing no one is supposed to touch them no matter who it is a teacher rabbi principal etc. Except parents and a doctor when parents are present.
And how to deal with it if chas v'sholom something happenes is very delicate and it is not just a 911 call. Cause sometimes (li
ke in the Lebowits case) the whole case might depend on a drug addicts t
estimony and convict a father for a undeserved max

I'll leave your comments about Lebowitz aside. I don't agree with you entirely there.

However, you are right that kids need to be empowered. I remember many years ago there was a program done in some schools with a child actor (I don't remember his name). It was a program called "SAY NO - THEN GO - AND TELL".

Kids need to know that they can never, for one second, think it is not OK to tell. Kids need to know that people will try to trick them. Kids need to know that threats of harm for telling are LIES. Kids should know that you will NEVER be angry and NEVER turn them away for telling the truth. That is the first and most difficult part of this battle.

It is rare in yeshivos today to see programs about this. Let's be honest with ourselves in saying that we are not generally comfortable with such subjects and even less comfortable discussing them with our children. However, at some point we just have to be realistic. Our children NEED to be empowered for their own safety. They need to know that when someone tries to touch them in an inappropriate way that they need to scream bloody murder and run. Your kids are their own first-line of defense. Make sure they're armed

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 May 02, 2010 at 08:37 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #9  
monsey hocker Says:

In reply to #1 & #5
Are either of you rabanim who are equiped with the halachic understanding to make such decisions !! There are huge issues that must be taken into consideration when involving any secular government in any aspect of yidishkeit!! Who are you to brazenly defy the spiritual leaders of our generation !! Unfortunately it is people like you who take matters into their own hands without consulting das torah who are constantly causing problems for jews across the globe !! We have seen throughout history terrible things come about when yidden act without hadracha from the gedolim !!!!

it is people like YOU we need to be wary of, any form of abuse MUST be reported. doing so will help by having it stopped immediately. unfortunately history of not going to authorities has resulted in more abuse by pple who think they can beat the system. daas torah has been silent and been pushing this under the rug far too long. silence is never the answer.

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