Jerusalem – Fatah Pays Respects to Deceased Neturei Karta rabbi

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    FILE - In this Jan. 12, 2002 file photo Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat, right, and anti-Zionist rabbi Moshe Hirsch talk during their meeting at Arafat's office in the West Bank town of Ramallah. Hirsch has died in Jerusalem on Sunday, May 2, 2010 at the age of 86. (AP Photo/Mohammed Rawas, Files)Jerusalem – A delegation of senior Fatah leaders visited Jerusalem’s ultra-Orthodox Mea Shearim neighborhood on Monday in order to send their condolences to the extreme haredi anti-Zionist group, Neturei Karta, which recently lost its leader, Rabbi Moshe Hirsch.

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    Rabbi Hirsch was one of the most vociferous anti-Zionist leaders, and even nurtured a long-term relationship with Fatah, the PLO, and Yasser Arafat. At one point, he even served as Arafat’s minister for Jewish affairs in the PA. Prior to this, he was his advisor.

    Leading the Fatah delegation was Hatem Abdel Qader, an adviser on Jerusalem affairs to Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, and Bilal a-Natasha, who holds the Jerusalem portfolio in the movement’s revolutionary council.

    At the end of the visit, Abdel Qader said to Ynet that Fatah considered Rabbi Hirsch “the leader of the Palestinian Jews,” who are part of the Palestinian state.

    According to Abdel Qader, “This is the first time we are making an official visit to Mea Shearim. From our perspective Mea Shearim is part of east Jerusalem, which will be part of the capital of the Palestinian state.”

    He added that Fatah does not plan on giving up Mea Shearim in negotiations with Israel, “nor the members of the Neturei Karta movement.”

    He said that Hirsch and his followers are clear-thinking, logical, and fair people “who represent the real, anti-Zionist Judaism. Whoever says Hirsch was delusional, I ask of him, ‘Why isn’t Lieberman considered delusional?'”

    Hirsch was a leading figure in Neturei Karta, a tiny ultra-Orthodox sect that opposes Israel’s existence as a Jewish state and has embraced its enemies. He was born in New York and attended a rabbinical academy in New Jersey.

    Neturei Karta, which is Aramaic for “Guardians of the City,” was founded some 70 years ago in Jerusalem by Jews who opposed the drive to establish the state of Israel. Estimates of the group’s size range from a few hundred to a few thousand. Hirsch was the son-in-law of the group’s founder, Rabbi Aharon Katzenelbogen.

    Edah Haredit, an umbrella group of anti-Zionist Jewish sects, confirmed Hirsch died on Sunday.


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    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    13 years ago

    perhaps they should also organize “Kaddish” for him.
    now in olam haemes he sees the truth and hopefully we shall all see the truth asap in olam hazeh with moshiach!

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    13 years ago

    Isn’t Fatah a terrorist organization? Were those “Senior Fatah Leaders” arrested?

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    13 years ago

    Unfortunatly, because of moshe hirsch’s actions, most secular israelis (and even some religious ones) could not care less if Israel or the Palestinian Authority are in charge of Meah Shearim.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    13 years ago

    “This is the first time we are making an official visit to Mea Shearim. From our perspective Mea Shearim is part of east Jerusalem, which will be part of the capital of the Palestinian state.” YOU WISH, IN YOUR DREAMS –

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    13 years ago

    Palestinian Jews!! I like that!! That is a perfect name for Neturei Karta!! At least it is not masked in yiddishkiet, by using yiddishe words for their name.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    13 years ago

    B’de.. Moishe Emes Visoirosoi Emes!

    Nabech
    Nabech
    13 years ago

    He was just a simpel moshiganer.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    13 years ago

    Nauseating.

    punch
    punch
    13 years ago

    so who was named as successor?

    izzy
    izzy
    13 years ago

    lets see how they live under fath rule in meah Shearim.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    13 years ago

    I’m sure Arafat has reserved a great place next to himself.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    13 years ago

    A man is known by the company he keeps. My opinion of Yassar Arafat ym”s dropped when I saw him keeping company with NK.

    PMO
    PMO
    13 years ago

    As they say… when you sleep with dogs, you’re bound to get fleas… I guess this holds true in death too. BDE.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    13 years ago

    hashem i thought this is what you would want me to do!!
    reb hirsh a servant does not choose, HOW TO SERVE HIS MASTER -that was your sin, moshe – you followed your head instead of hashems leaders!!
    may we all learn from his mistake, we all do similar actions in the course of our lives
    “vehachai yiten el libo”

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    13 years ago

    Re#7: He wasn’t a simple meshooginer…he was a dangerous person responsible for ziyuf haTorah

    Yossi G.
    Yossi G.
    13 years ago

    “From our perspective Mea Shearim is part of east Jerusalem” so when Obama makes Israel give up east Jerusalem, Meah Shearim goes to them too?
    Oy!

    Emes
    Emes
    13 years ago

    He knew very well what he was doing and almost everything he was right except for a few times where he over did some stuff may he rest in peace and get all the schar in the world for his doings!

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    13 years ago

    Ain’t gonna be pretty for him in Olam Habah.

    moshe ber beck
    moshe ber beck
    13 years ago

    My music didn’t stop from lag b’omer till now of the happiness that he died

    Chaim in Mea Shearim
    Chaim in Mea Shearim
    13 years ago

    Rabbi Hirsh in his waning days had very strong remorse after he relized that the aim of Hamas is that the jews should drown in the ocean.

    Boris
    Boris
    13 years ago

    He was the Aruv Rav. His ancestors followed us out of Eqypt. He longed to live once again under Gentile rule like he did under Pharoah. Be against a secular state if you like, but only an uncircumsized dog would kiss a Jew killers bloody hand. Arafat killed this animal’s fellow Jews, how could he associate himself with him?

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    13 years ago

    If you took a poll of all the people in Meah Shearim who would want to live under the PA (even though it is essentially Zionist-supported) regime, I think you would find that 95% do not want to!

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    13 years ago

    I don’t know if your’e allowed to say Ymach Shmoi Vzichroi on the nveileh hirsh. If you are allowed then so be it.

    mayim
    mayim
    13 years ago

    Reemah V’solaeh

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    13 years ago

    To all you commentators such as good riddance , tzoirer YMS ,chillel hashem,B’avod reshoim rena etc etc. You should know that the same exact words I and many thousands of Jews said when Meir Kahana was executed and he was way way worse then Moishe Hirsch. Meir kahana was anytime a whacko as M Hirsch

    anonymous
    anonymous
    13 years ago

    Under the tutelage of Eichmann ymach shmo Haj Amin el Husseini organized a Muslim Bosnian Ss brigade the Skanderbek brigade which murdered , decapitated Jews and Serbians in Yugoslavia. Yasser arafat is related to the Husseini family. Anyone who associated these is a rotzeach. “TRabbi”Hirsch associated with those people

    Arfats First Cousin
    Arfats First Cousin
    13 years ago

    He should be buried in Rammala near the Kever of his best friend & Dear President Mr. YASSER ARAFAT YMS”H V’ZICHROY / SO the terrorists of the next generation will get to know their leaders from yesteryear …. Ha what do u think does this make sence (he certanly didnt make any sence)

    YANKEL
    YANKEL
    13 years ago

    Of course the paid their respects on the loss of a dear friend. Shouldn’t they have waited a few days since they are not actually family?

    Shomer Yisroel
    Shomer Yisroel
    13 years ago

    The New York Times interviewed Moshe Hirsh many years ago, Needless to say he was a very strong supporter of Arafat and wanted to give away all the Jews in Isreal to the Arabs. Hirsh stated that he will become the Foriegn Minister. That’s when I realized that he was SELF SERVING. Well finally it’s his turn. GOOD LUCK to all your followers.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    13 years ago

    Many years ago I was in a Yeshiva in Boro Park and Moshe Hirsch was Davening there as he was visiting his family. Someone asked the Gabbai to give him an Aliyah as he had to Bentch Gomel. The Gabbai per the Rosh Yeshiva told him “Genst Gain Zum Mufti Far Ahn Aliyah”.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    13 years ago

    At least he was an honest man . He believed in something and put his money where his mouth was no matter how unpopular it made him with the masses of Klal Yisroel who are a bunch of unthinking sheep. All of you who are against the medina and anti Zionist because the Satmer Rov, Minchos Eluzer, Reb Elchonon Wasserman, Brisker Rov, Reb Yosef Chaim Sonnenfeld and other gedolim were anti Zionist are all a bunch of big talkers! You say “there shouldn’t be a medina”, “how bad the medina is” but now you are afraid if Mea Shearim goes back to the Arabs.You are all ether a bunch of dishonest hypocrits or mentally deranged in your schizophrenic illogical thinking and don’t even realize it!

    Who Knows?
    Who Knows?
    13 years ago

    Maybe everyone else is misguided about Zionism and he was on the right track? I am not saying we should kiss our enemies, but, the Nevi’im say that before Moshiach comes, Yishmael will rule Eretz Yisroel. Maybe R’ Hirsch was just trying to hasten the coming of Moshiach. We cannot judge him, only Hashem can, and since this is an olam Hofuch (an upside down world), we don’t know the real truth. We may be very surprised when we find out what the emes is.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    13 years ago

    Now that he is gone…. I don’t see any good of talking against him like that. Hashem doesn’t need us to convince him.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    13 years ago

    When he talked to the Palestinians in order to save Jewish lives everyone was against him, now most secular jews support having talks with the Palestinians, even more, now they support giving back most of the land and appeasing the Palestinians, now its okay huh?!!!

    Everyone has a right to do and say what he/she feels is right. Who appointed the israeli government as the representatives of the Jewish people?!!! When they want to deal with the arabs its okay but when someone else wants to do it he is vilified as the worst person ever?!! What ever happened to freedom of speech and free thinking? Does that not apply when it pertains to something you don’t like?

    I didn’t know Rabbi Hirsch but I respect him for the Torah he has learned and for doing what he believed was the right thing to do and not being brainwashed by the Zionist Brainwash machine like most of Klal Yisroel. You never know how many lives Rabbi Hirsch saved by his negotiations.

    תהא נשמתו צרורה בצרור החיים

    kanei jew
    kanei jew
    13 years ago

    I hear Fatah is organizing groups to say Mishnayot and read the Quran for his Neshamah.

    How quickly we have forgotten all the progroms us jews suffered in Eretz Yisrael and Arab countries.

    They are commanded in the Quran to kill all the jews and all other non beleivers. If they Chas V’Shalom get back Eretz Yisrael what do you think they will want to do? Play checkers with us?

    hey
    hey
    13 years ago

    did any gedolim go to levayeh?

    hershel
    hershel
    13 years ago

    He was a tzaddik elyon who poshut learnt torah da) and night his whole metzius was to help klal yisroel.
    He was moiser nefesh for yidden to save their lives from their enemies his teffillos were heart rendering and broke thru the heavens. Everybody knows thast all the gedolim were supportive of him in private and
    Supported him financially as well
    They all loved him. Many times he consulted the gedolim before special missions and aleys fillowed their directived.
    Ghe gave away is last prutos to aniyim espoecially almonos and yesomim.
    He was a speial man always with a smile. Even when e was experiencing tremendous yisurim.
    He will really be missed a true tzaddik

    Curse the NK
    Curse the NK
    13 years ago

    Which rabbinical seminary in NJ? BMG???????

    Out for justice
    Out for justice
    13 years ago

    The Naturei Karta should all be deported out of the country. Those with Israeli citizenship should be stripped of their citizenship and sent to Gaza. The rest can be sent back to whatever country they originated from. They constitute a fifth column in Israel. Enough is enough. THEY NEED TO GO!!!