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Jerusalem - Girl Claims To Be Setting Fire to Synagogue In Revenge For Charedi Harassment

Published on: May 4, 2010 09:21 AM
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Photo ilusrationJerusalem - A 15-year-old Jerusalem girl was arrested on suspicion that she lit a fire next to the Holy Ark of a synagogue in the city on the evening of Lag B’Omer. The girl claims that she wanted to take revenge for ultra-Orthodox harassment.

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The girl, a high school student, was arrested by police Tuesday morning, and brought before the court which extended her arrest until 11 pm Tuesday.

During questioning, she said she wanted to get back at the Haredim in the area in which she lives who harass her. She said she simply bought a lighter, and entered the “Mosdot Hatam Sofer” synagogue on Panim Meirot Street whose door was open. She then set the cantor’s platform and the screen in front of the Holy Ark on fire, and ran away.

Police continue to investigate the incident, but do not think there is any connection between this case and the two other arson cases in the city’s synagogues – Torat Moshe, on Shmuel Hanavi Street, and Or Hahayim in the Bukharian quarter, where three Torah scrolls were burned.



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 May 04, 2010 at 09:37 AM Anonymous Says:

she has learned by the examples all around her...poor kid

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 May 04, 2010 at 09:40 AM eli l Says:

We have to ask what's happening to this generation. When you listen to the news in Israel it sound like your listening to the news in the Dinkins days in NY. Murder, shootings, rape, robbery.... What's happening?????

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 May 04, 2010 at 09:45 AM casey Says:

Wow she must have really been tortured but that still dose not gives her the right to light a Sefer torah on fire.
She should be checked out for Para mania Disorder.
She wanted to get back at
them? WHO WOULD DO SUCH AN EVIL THING !!!!!, no matter what happened to you it’s not the torah’s fault, its people’s fault if you have a problem take it up with the people but dont go burnuing sefer torah's

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 May 04, 2010 at 09:47 AM Zissy Solomon Says:

My heart goes out for this troubled teen! She must be very hurt inside. I hope they give her the proper help that she so desperately needs. I'm sure that the heilige Chasam Sofer will forgive her. Amen

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 May 04, 2010 at 09:51 AM Anonymous Says:

Totzeret Israel

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 May 04, 2010 at 09:56 AM James Dean Says:

Reply to #3  
casey Says:

Wow she must have really been tortured but that still dose not gives her the right to light a Sefer torah on fire.
She should be checked out for Para mania Disorder.
She wanted to get back at
them? WHO WOULD DO SUCH AN EVIL THING !!!!!, no matter what happened to you it’s not the torah’s fault, its people’s fault if you have a problem take it up with the people but dont go burnuing sefer torah's

Casey, while you raise an excellent point, when people don't want to hurt or don't have the courage to hurt people they hurt symbols.

For examples, the Lunatics among the Chareidim don't want to hurt the state because it pays their bills so they burn the Israeli Flag.

Same here, this poor child doesn't want to or is afraid to hurt a person so she takes her revenge by burning their symbols.

Feh on those people who drive a child to this state of mind.

Hashem should help them do Teshuvah.

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 May 04, 2010 at 09:58 AM Anonymous Says:

If grown people can steal 5 Torah's from a Shtieble in BP, what do you expect from a 15 yo girl who was traumatized by religious zealots?

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 May 04, 2010 at 09:59 AM Mordechai Says:

Reply to #3  
casey Says:

Wow she must have really been tortured but that still dose not gives her the right to light a Sefer torah on fire.
She should be checked out for Para mania Disorder.
She wanted to get back at
them? WHO WOULD DO SUCH AN EVIL THING !!!!!, no matter what happened to you it’s not the torah’s fault, its people’s fault if you have a problem take it up with the people but dont go burnuing sefer torah's

Did you read the article? She didn't burn a Sefer Torah.

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 May 04, 2010 at 10:02 AM Anonymous Says:

Oh so now it's our foult, so typical blame the charedim, but sorry your messt up life and drugd up brain is your own dooing, stop blaming the world for your issues, we can't help you unless you help yourself.

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 May 04, 2010 at 10:04 AM Anonymous Says:

Hopefully the overzealous "Tznius Squads" will learn a lesson from this.

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 May 04, 2010 at 10:04 AM Ahavas Yisroel Says:

What has this generation come to that a Jewish Child would light a shul on fire. Forgive me for saying this, but we have to look in the mirror and say what we could have possibly done to hurt this child that she felt a rage of destruction against her own people. Was she called a (Shaigetz) Goy. Did people in the community say hello to her or smile to her in the street. We know in our history when our Ahavas Yisroel is at its lowest terrible things happen. Don't forget we are now counting Sefira.

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 May 04, 2010 at 10:07 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #6  
Zissy Solomon Says:

My heart goes out for this troubled teen! She must be very hurt inside. I hope they give her the proper help that she so desperately needs. I'm sure that the heilige Chasam Sofer will forgive her. Amen

Bla Bla Bla. Cut it she needs to go to jail. That's it

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 May 04, 2010 at 10:08 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
casey Says:

Wow she must have really been tortured but that still dose not gives her the right to light a Sefer torah on fire.
She should be checked out for Para mania Disorder.
She wanted to get back at
them? WHO WOULD DO SUCH AN EVIL THING !!!!!, no matter what happened to you it’s not the torah’s fault, its people’s fault if you have a problem take it up with the people but dont go burnuing sefer torah's

Its not hard to understand why a girl attacked by some of these chareidi goons would strike back in the only way she knows and feels capable of. Consider the reasons and not only the consequences.

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 May 04, 2010 at 10:12 AM Anonymous Says:

She must've been tortured... like how?

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 May 04, 2010 at 10:15 AM Anonymous Says:

Headline should read: Chiloni girl sets fire to Shul

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 May 04, 2010 at 10:17 AM Anonymous Says:

She is being harassed by Charedis. It is most likely her against a bunch of sick Charedi men. Poor girl, she shouldn't go to jail, she should receive support, mentally and emotionally. Send the sick Sharedis that harass her to jail.

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 May 04, 2010 at 10:19 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #16  
Anonymous Says:

She must've been tortured... like how?

Use your imagination.

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 May 04, 2010 at 10:19 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #11  
Anonymous Says:

Oh so now it's our foult, so typical blame the charedim, but sorry your messt up life and drugd up brain is your own dooing, stop blaming the world for your issues, we can't help you unless you help yourself.

You Charedim do tend to be nasty to individuals. You make fun and insult many people who don't act and look like you. I don't think for one second that the Jewish world shares your same sentiment. It IS your fault to an extent. You should watch the way you treat a fellow Jew. This girl should have felt welcomed in the Jewish community even if she was a "lost soul."

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 May 04, 2010 at 10:20 AM Dag Says:

No excuses. This was criminal and she needs to be sent to jail

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 May 04, 2010 at 10:20 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #11  
Anonymous Says:

Oh so now it's our foult, so typical blame the charedim, but sorry your messt up life and drugd up brain is your own dooing, stop blaming the world for your issues, we can't help you unless you help yourself.

First of all go back to Yeshiva and learn to spell. Second of all we don't need YOUR help.

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 May 04, 2010 at 10:21 AM Anonymous Says:

I guess she learned from the Chareidim - when they don't like something, they also start lighting fires and burning other's property. Way to go - you're teaching a great lesson.

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 May 04, 2010 at 10:22 AM Anonymous Says:

she could be verbally and mentally harassed . sadly she resorted to this.
she needs to go for extensive therapy

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 May 04, 2010 at 10:31 AM T Says:

Nice to see that a freie juvenile arsonist gets more benefit of the doubt then her victims, with _NO_ other evidence being available. Just goes to show what kind of people comment here ...

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 May 04, 2010 at 10:36 AM casey Says:

Please don't get me wrong I myself have been through the system and know what hurt and pain feels like but I would never light a shule on fire
This is taking it to the next level.
And to # 10 you missed the point !!

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 May 04, 2010 at 10:43 AM Anonymous Says:

Wow,amazing seeing comments defendeng such a ugly crime.If she was chareidi and being harrassed by the secular,everyone would be saying that doesn't excuse violence.That's what all the anti chareidi posters here were saying about all the chareidi protests.No matter how worthy the cause,violence should not be tolerated.

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 May 04, 2010 at 10:45 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #8  
James Dean Says:

Casey, while you raise an excellent point, when people don't want to hurt or don't have the courage to hurt people they hurt symbols.

For examples, the Lunatics among the Chareidim don't want to hurt the state because it pays their bills so they burn the Israeli Flag.

Same here, this poor child doesn't want to or is afraid to hurt a person so she takes her revenge by burning their symbols.

Feh on those people who drive a child to this state of mind.

Hashem should help them do Teshuvah.

Excuse me ,the chareidim who burned the flag are the ones who refuse assistance from the goverment.Next time get your facts straight.

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 May 04, 2010 at 10:46 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #12  
Anonymous Says:

Hopefully the overzealous "Tznius Squads" will learn a lesson from this.

This has nothing to do with tzinies torture pulease "you're not a victim you're a volunteer" were r the parents of such kids if they would have a close bond with there parents and have who to confide in this wouldn't happen.that's what happens when gays r raising familys nebech on us

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 May 04, 2010 at 10:46 AM 000646 Says:

what goes around comes around. if u harrass enough people some of them will strike back. If this dosnt stop the next thing we may be hearing is that some chareidei guy got shot for throwing bleach on the wrong persons untznius girlfreind in geulah

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 May 04, 2010 at 10:50 AM SHES ONLY 15! Says:

Reply to #11  
Anonymous Says:

Oh so now it's our foult, so typical blame the charedim, but sorry your messt up life and drugd up brain is your own dooing, stop blaming the world for your issues, we can't help you unless you help yourself.

Do you people see where extremism leads?! Instead of Ahavas Yisroel, we hurt and chase people away. The problem is some of them have the guts to fight back. The kids at risk and others who have been hurt will start burning our institutions to the ground. You know what? If our middos and lack of sympathy and empathy bring them to hate us that much IT IS OUR FAULT!

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 May 04, 2010 at 10:52 AM FVNMS Says:

Reply to #11  
Anonymous Says:

Oh so now it's our foult, so typical blame the charedim, but sorry your messt up life and drugd up brain is your own dooing, stop blaming the world for your issues, we can't help you unless you help yourself.

"we can't help you unless you help yourself. ”

Nobody is asking for your help. Just don't create the problems. Why does a person not get punished until age 20*? Because they don't have the seichel to behave responsibly. This 15 year old kid was driven to extremes, whether or not her act was shocking. What kind of conditions are in place for this type of reaction? That's the issue, so yes - it is your "foult." It's your "foult" that this kids and many others "messt up" their lives and "drugd up" their brains. You aren't impressing anyone with the tired, typical "Oy everybody is blaming he chareidim" line.

By the way, you and your holy-of-the-holies friends: come within ten feet of my wife or daughter and you'll learn a whole new world of harassment.

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 May 04, 2010 at 10:53 AM FVNMS Says:

Reply to #14  
Anonymous Says:

Bla Bla Bla. Cut it she needs to go to jail. That's it

The Mishmar HaTznius needs to go to jail, and so does everyone who knowingly supports them.

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 May 04, 2010 at 10:54 AM FVNMS Says:

Reply to #17  
Anonymous Says:

Headline should read: Chiloni girl sets fire to Shul

You are the problem.

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 May 04, 2010 at 10:57 AM FVNMS Says:

Reply to #27  
Anonymous Says:

Wow,amazing seeing comments defendeng such a ugly crime.If she was chareidi and being harrassed by the secular,everyone would be saying that doesn't excuse violence.That's what all the anti chareidi posters here were saying about all the chareidi protests.No matter how worthy the cause,violence should not be tolerated.

That's so not true. One or two people may, perhaps. Making these ludicrous theoretical statements is not effective debating.

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 May 04, 2010 at 11:01 AM Anonymous Says:

Imagine if a chareidi girl bein harassed by secular people(which happens),and urned down a local youth club.The posters here would be raging,no excuses!!no pity!lock her up.She did the crime,do the time.A secular person does it?pity for the "poor girl" flows.What a bunch of hypcroites.

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 May 04, 2010 at 11:03 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #11  
Anonymous Says:

Oh so now it's our foult, so typical blame the charedim, but sorry your messt up life and drugd up brain is your own dooing, stop blaming the world for your issues, we can't help you unless you help yourself.

Face the facts, you reap what you sow.
What she did was nothing less then what the crazy people you are defending do.
Light fires & burn things, in order to teach other people a lesson, that exactly what she did. In fact she is not messed up at all she is a perfect "A" student, doing what she is taught to do.

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 May 04, 2010 at 11:06 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #23  
Anonymous Says:

I guess she learned from the Chareidim - when they don't like something, they also start lighting fires and burning other's property. Way to go - you're teaching a great lesson.

I don't see any charaidim setting anything on fire beside bon fire burning the chometz or lighting cigrettes within the U.S. Isreal is G-D's home a jewish state not niebhorhood and u shame it with gay rites selling pork keeping stores open on shabbos and building parking lots in center were people come and go on the one day G-D rests, excuse me! but in brooklyn even the none jews respect shabbos more then in isreal and u hardly see any stores or cars in a heavy populated JEWISH areas. And u call isreal a JEWISH STATE I think someone needs to redefine the word JUDIASIM it doesn't mean charadie it means RESPECT G-D's wishes not were a shtraimel or a long frock. R U Familier with the 10 Commandments it doesn't mention anything about frum it state abide G-D'S wills even the non jews no them.

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 May 04, 2010 at 11:15 AM Pesach Says:

Reply to #27  
Anonymous Says:

Wow,amazing seeing comments defendeng such a ugly crime.If she was chareidi and being harrassed by the secular,everyone would be saying that doesn't excuse violence.That's what all the anti chareidi posters here were saying about all the chareidi protests.No matter how worthy the cause,violence should not be tolerated.

No one is defending the crime. they are merely trying to learn a lesson from an unfortunate incident. We, as frum people, should be doing a cheshbon hanefesh to figure out why there is so much resentment towards us. It is easy to always blame "them". Sometimes, the problem lays within.

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 May 04, 2010 at 11:19 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #35  
FVNMS Says:

That's so not true. One or two people may, perhaps. Making these ludicrous theoretical statements is not effective debating.

What's not true?a whole bunch of posters defending the girl.Stick to the truth youself.

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 May 04, 2010 at 11:23 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #39  
Pesach Says:

No one is defending the crime. they are merely trying to learn a lesson from an unfortunate incident. We, as frum people, should be doing a cheshbon hanefesh to figure out why there is so much resentment towards us. It is easy to always blame "them". Sometimes, the problem lays within.

What rubbish!the chareidim were hated the minute the secular came to then palestine right away.When all the new excuses didn't apply then.

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 May 04, 2010 at 11:24 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #35  
FVNMS Says:

That's so not true. One or two people may, perhaps. Making these ludicrous theoretical statements is not effective debating.

Yes it's not effective debating as you can't answer.

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 May 04, 2010 at 11:56 AM Anonymous Says:

She said she simply bought a lighter, and entered the "Mosdot Hatam Sofer" synagogue on Panim Meirot Street whose door was open. She then set the cantor's platform and the screen in front of the Holy Ark on fire, and ran away.

They make it seem like it was not premeditated. I doubt that a peroches or amud would burn by placing a lighter next to them. No lighter fluid, kerosene, etc? I would doubt the claim and look elsewhere for the guilty party.

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 May 04, 2010 at 11:56 AM Pesach Says:

Reply to #41  
Anonymous Says:

What rubbish!the chareidim were hated the minute the secular came to then palestine right away.When all the new excuses didn't apply then.

That is exactly what I am talking about. It is always "their" fault. No cheshbon hanefesh. there is a reason why the Shaar Cheshbon Hanefesh is so long in Chovos Halevavos.

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 May 04, 2010 at 12:13 PM Anonymous Says:

Sorry sir you are employing a double standard, all of a sudden in this story, you cry chesbon hanefesh.What about all the other news stories.Your bias is obvious.

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 May 04, 2010 at 12:25 PM Authentic Londoner Says:

Do you not think it foreseeable that a small proportion of secular women (or their menfolk) who are insulted or physically assaulted either in the street or on a bus will react violently to that attack. The reason they attack a shul is not because they are too scared to attack a person. It is because they know that such an attack is particular upsetting to those they blame for bringing about this situation. That is why it is foolish to try to segregate buses. Such segregation (which feminists will never accept) can only be enforced through harassment and violence which in return beget more violence. The suffragettes in the UK had no hesitation in burning down churches a century ago and they even blew up part of the Prime Minister's house! Do you not think that today's feminists in Israel are any less militant then those in the UK a century ago?

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 May 04, 2010 at 12:51 PM Rivka Says:

Reply to #34  
FVNMS Says:

You are the problem.

How do you know she was chiloni?

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 May 04, 2010 at 01:16 PM Anonymous Says:

Everyone that is non-charedi should defend this girl as much as the charedim defend the criminal Rubashkin!

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 May 04, 2010 at 01:29 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #39  
Pesach Says:

No one is defending the crime. they are merely trying to learn a lesson from an unfortunate incident. We, as frum people, should be doing a cheshbon hanefesh to figure out why there is so much resentment towards us. It is easy to always blame "them". Sometimes, the problem lays within.

There's nothing to learn here, except that some demented young girl was caught committing arson and defended herself by saying chareidim drove her to do it.
Seemingly, she knows what gets into Israeli papers.

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 May 04, 2010 at 01:30 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #47  
Rivka Says:

How do you know she was chiloni?

'Cuz had she been chareid, the newspaper would've splashed it all over the headlines.

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 May 04, 2010 at 01:47 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #27  
Anonymous Says:

Wow,amazing seeing comments defendeng such a ugly crime.If she was chareidi and being harrassed by the secular,everyone would be saying that doesn't excuse violence.That's what all the anti chareidi posters here were saying about all the chareidi protests.No matter how worthy the cause,violence should not be tolerated.

The difference is that this girl is a child and the other people were adults. No one is condoning what this girl did. It was horrible and she should probably go to a psychiatric facility.

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 May 04, 2010 at 01:50 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #27  
Anonymous Says:

Wow,amazing seeing comments defendeng such a ugly crime.If she was chareidi and being harrassed by the secular,everyone would be saying that doesn't excuse violence.That's what all the anti chareidi posters here were saying about all the chareidi protests.No matter how worthy the cause,violence should not be tolerated.

This isn't the first time something like this has happened. I have heard of a number of cases of Hiloni extremists going around cutting down eruvs on Shabbat.

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 May 04, 2010 at 02:19 PM Avi Says:

Given the availability of automatic weaponry in Israel, the Charedim should be thankful that they weren't massacred. If I were in the girl's position, I know I would have considered it.

These Charedim are Reshaim Gemurim. Absolutely no question at all in my mind.

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 May 04, 2010 at 02:25 PM Anonymous Says:

No 15 year old girl will just start a fire anywhere because it is not in their nature to do so. Boys are more heated and violent by nature and can do that, but girls have to be really hurt or pushed to the limit to do such an act. I can understand where she is coming from, but it doesn't excuse her of setting anything on fire.
Charedi in Israel are much more radicalized than they are in North America. Some of these men are very violent and abusive of anyone that doesn't conform to their perceived standards. In America, the Charedi understand that they are guests here and must abide by the laws, but in Jerusalem, they feel like it's their backyard so they feel empowered and can do anything they want with impunity.

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 May 04, 2010 at 02:44 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #52  
Anonymous Says:

This isn't the first time something like this has happened. I have heard of a number of cases of Hiloni extremists going around cutting down eruvs on Shabbat.

I've heard a number of cases where Chasidic extremists went around cutting down eruvs and slashing MO Rabbi's tires.

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 May 04, 2010 at 02:48 PM dovy Says:

Reply to #8  
James Dean Says:

Casey, while you raise an excellent point, when people don't want to hurt or don't have the courage to hurt people they hurt symbols.

For examples, the Lunatics among the Chareidim don't want to hurt the state because it pays their bills so they burn the Israeli Flag.

Same here, this poor child doesn't want to or is afraid to hurt a person so she takes her revenge by burning their symbols.

Feh on those people who drive a child to this state of mind.

Hashem should help them do Teshuvah.

the people that drove this loser to this state of mind are the anti-religous media, police and court system in zionistan who preach and promote hatred amongst the secular youth.

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 May 04, 2010 at 03:06 PM hear nur Says:

So let's recap. A girl goes and a shul, lights a fire and runs away. When caught she blaims the Chareidim for abusing her. Then all these ugly comments start rolling in.

Fact: girl starts fire
Fact: there's no proof that she was abused by the chareidim. You just need to take her word for it.

Too bad what the facts really are. Who cares whether the girl is really demented or has phobias or even if there was one crazy chareidi who harrased her (reality check; there are crazies in ever segment of society). Who cares? If there is a platform for bashing the all Chareidim IT MUST BE EXPLIOTED TO THE FULLEST!

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 May 04, 2010 at 03:22 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #57  
hear nur Says:

So let's recap. A girl goes and a shul, lights a fire and runs away. When caught she blaims the Chareidim for abusing her. Then all these ugly comments start rolling in.

Fact: girl starts fire
Fact: there's no proof that she was abused by the chareidim. You just need to take her word for it.

Too bad what the facts really are. Who cares whether the girl is really demented or has phobias or even if there was one crazy chareidi who harrased her (reality check; there are crazies in ever segment of society). Who cares? If there is a platform for bashing the all Chareidim IT MUST BE EXPLIOTED TO THE FULLEST!

I would say L'Hepach.
There's ample proof that she's been abused by Chareidim, because anyone who is not Orthodox encounters hate, violence and abuse from Chareidim in Yerushalayim....they threw chairs at pregnant women at the Kosel, they burn trash cans and shut down whole segments of the city, they throw rocks, etc....so there's a chazaka that she was abused by them.
There is less proof that she actually lit the fire, "ain adam osei es atzmoi rasha" so she's not ne'eman!

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 May 04, 2010 at 03:35 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #56  
dovy Says:

the people that drove this loser to this state of mind are the anti-religous media, police and court system in zionistan who preach and promote hatred amongst the secular youth.

No, sounds like you are more full of hate than any secular Israeli I ever met.

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 May 04, 2010 at 03:36 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #49  
Anonymous Says:

There's nothing to learn here, except that some demented young girl was caught committing arson and defended herself by saying chareidim drove her to do it.
Seemingly, she knows what gets into Israeli papers.

Since you don't think that there is anything to learn here, the cycle will go on.

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 May 04, 2010 at 03:52 PM hear nur Says:

Reply to #58  
Anonymous Says:

I would say L'Hepach.
There's ample proof that she's been abused by Chareidim, because anyone who is not Orthodox encounters hate, violence and abuse from Chareidim in Yerushalayim....they threw chairs at pregnant women at the Kosel, they burn trash cans and shut down whole segments of the city, they throw rocks, etc....so there's a chazaka that she was abused by them.
There is less proof that she actually lit the fire, "ain adam osei es atzmoi rasha" so she's not ne'eman!

If she's not ne'man then I totally would not believe any word of hers that she was abused by Chareidim.
In any case, while I'm not defending throwing chairs, burning trash cans, shutting down segments of the city and throwing rocks, these do not compare with the violence and immorality in the secular schools and within the Israeli society, the abundance of shul burning incidences, the throwing out Jews from their homes and handing over the land to our enemies, and the trampling of everything holy and sacred which is the only key to our right of living and governing Eretz Yisroel.

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 May 04, 2010 at 04:51 PM casey Says:

Poor girl my heart gose out for her, i would do the same if i where her. shame on the peopler who drove her to do this

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 May 04, 2010 at 05:21 PM Loshon Hora Says:

look at the Gemorah at the end of sucah [you may correct me it is a maseches in moed I spend too much time here], about the Jewish girl who married a Roman & went in to the Kodesh Kedoshim & slapped her shoe on the mizbeach & called it Lucas Lucas, At Mosai Ata mechaleh momonom shel yisroel.
What did the Chachomim do? They sunk hthat family of Kohanim's ring to the ground.
Same here there is something wrong with her family if she protest by setting a Shul on fire & admitting it. You get it.

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 May 04, 2010 at 05:42 PM PMO Says:

This girl is 100% at fault. No question about it. There is no excuse.

However, there is something else at play here. Chareidim who set fires to private property, throw stones and other various forms of destruction and violence are LEGITIMIZING this behavior to some people. Maybe this little girl saw chareidim setting fires in dumpsters and literally fought "fire with fire". We don't know the truth yet.

There is a saying "you reap what you sow". When we act like animals, we invite others to do likewise.

Again, this does NOT excuse the behavior and she should be imprisoned immediately along with anyone else who goes around setting fires.

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 May 04, 2010 at 06:05 PM Shmuel Says:

Reply to #6  
Zissy Solomon Says:

My heart goes out for this troubled teen! She must be very hurt inside. I hope they give her the proper help that she so desperately needs. I'm sure that the heilige Chasam Sofer will forgive her. Amen

The only help she needs, and very urgently, is a GOOD patch. May still save her.

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 May 04, 2010 at 06:08 PM Shmuel Says:

Reply to #14  
Anonymous Says:

Bla Bla Bla. Cut it she needs to go to jail. That's it

I actually disagree. Jail will only make her worse. A good beating, on the other hand, may still help, unless it's to late for her.

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 May 05, 2010 at 12:19 AM Anonymous Says:

yeah poor poor girl I feel terible we otta find away for her to let out her fustration -or maybe she's deranged?

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 May 05, 2010 at 04:23 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #65  
PMO Says:

This girl is 100% at fault. No question about it. There is no excuse.

However, there is something else at play here. Chareidim who set fires to private property, throw stones and other various forms of destruction and violence are LEGITIMIZING this behavior to some people. Maybe this little girl saw chareidim setting fires in dumpsters and literally fought "fire with fire". We don't know the truth yet.

There is a saying "you reap what you sow". When we act like animals, we invite others to do likewise.

Again, this does NOT excuse the behavior and she should be imprisoned immediately along with anyone else who goes around setting fires.

First of all,you have no idea what's really going on in israel.Attack on shuls,like arson or desecrations of it and sefarim has happend many times in cities like tel aviv or pesach tikvah.Where the charedi population is a minute presence.So just blaming it on the chreidim in jerualem is foolish.

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 May 05, 2010 at 06:02 AM Anonymous Says:

Rabbosai,lets not jump to conclusions bef we know all the facts.
It could be she was harrassed by somebody else and not mishmar hatznius or pretends to be mishmar hatznius or shes making it all up.Lets wait & see.

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 May 05, 2010 at 07:43 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #70  
Anonymous Says:

Rabbosai,lets not jump to conclusions bef we know all the facts.
It could be she was harrassed by somebody else and not mishmar hatznius or pretends to be mishmar hatznius or shes making it all up.Lets wait & see.

Wow amazing to see that at least one person who has some sense.The other people's hatred for chareidim blinds them.

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 May 05, 2010 at 09:33 AM Ahavas Yisroel Says:

What has this generation come to that a Jewish Child would light a shul on fire. Forgive me for saying this, but we have to look in the mirror and say what we could have possibly done to hurt this child that she felt a rage of destruction against her own people. Was she called a (Shaigetz) Goy. Did people in the community say hello to her or smile to her in the street. We know in our history when our Ahavas Yisroel is at its lowest terrible things happen. Don't forget we are now counting Sefira.

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 May 05, 2010 at 04:59 PM PMO Says:

Reply to #69  
Anonymous Says:

First of all,you have no idea what's really going on in israel.Attack on shuls,like arson or desecrations of it and sefarim has happend many times in cities like tel aviv or pesach tikvah.Where the charedi population is a minute presence.So just blaming it on the chreidim in jerualem is foolish.

I believe I said the GIRL was 100% to blame. Please don't twist my words around.

My point was that sometimes you "reap what you sow". SOME chareidim, who are a complete embarrassment to the rest of us, commit arson as a means of protest. They commit violence as a means of protest. They should racial slurs as a means of protest. I say that NOT to place blame for THIS incident on them, but our shocking silence and lack of rebuke serves as an invitation for others to do it to us.

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