New York – Treading B’Derech HaChassidus and Advocating For Our Children

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    During the past year, VIN News has featured a New York based non profit organization B’Derech, the movement to return to the Derech of the Baal Shem Tov and keep kids happy B’Derech HaTorah. In the spirit of Shavuous – the yahrtzeit of the Baal Shem Tov – and the recent escalation and attention to the phenomenon of Chassidish Youth at Risk, which has become a provocative topic in the Charedi Community, we decided to revisit with Ruchie Freier, Esq., the founder of B’Derech. In her latest article, Ruchie shares with us her experience in the trenches, her research, insight and firm belief that these kids are not at risk, but rather it us the Community who is At Risk of losing our children. See photos of kumzitses for bochurim, lectures for parents and the classes at B’Derech’s newly formed, exciting Israel Program, where bochurim are shteiging and are eager to learn. With the support of prominent Rabbonim and professionals, Ruchie’s article brings home the powerful message of optimism and faith.
    B’Derech: Marching to the Niggun of the Baal Shem Tov
    By: Ruchie Freier, Esq., B’Derech Founder & Director

    It’s time to set the record straight! According to classical Baal Shem Tov philosophy, every Yid is valued and accepted. Thus, “Chassidish Youth at Risk,” is an oxymoron (expression with contradictory words). “At-Risk,” in secular lexicon, is a term coined to describe the youth, generally teenagers, who exhibit anti-social and defiant behavior as a result of being rejected by their peers and society at large. In secular culture, these children have either been pushed beyond their academic limits, have learning disabilities (often undetected) or suffered trauma and/or abuse. That these conditions exist in modern, secular culture comes as no surprise. That these secular, rejected children, ultimately fall prey to addictions such as movies, smoking, alcohol and drugs is comprehensible to us. Can this possibly have trickled into our heimishe world?

    B’Derech : Events Leading to Formation of the Movement

    On Lag BaOmer, May of 2008, on my annual trip to Miron, I met a brokenhearted, Chassidish woman from Boro Park. She explained she came to daven for her 16 year old son, who was on the streets, addicted to drugs, and bereft of Torah values. He suffered from Attention Deficit Hypertension Disorder (ADHD) which led to his academic failure, ultimately being expelled from several yeshivas. When we returned home, she introduced me to many other heimishe mothers who were suffering like her. Now I was exposed to the dark side of the community I love and always advocate for in my practice as a frum lawyer among my secular colleagues. I was determined to help these children and alleviate the pain of their mothers and families.

    In July 2008, events in an Upstate Chassidic community which had negative media coverage led to an interview and article, by a secular news reporter, of me and several friends. The purpose of the interview was to counter the negativity and discuss the beauty of a Chassidish lifestyle. After completing the article, the reporter commented, “Now, that I’ve spent much time working on this article and seen the beauty of your community, can you tell me why so many of your children are rebelling?”

    I began talking to the kids on the street and feel privileged that they shared their stories with me. They were stories of pain, rejection, accusations, humiliation and loneliness. I was unprepared for the rivers of tears these kids shed, many of whom are talented and gifted, but not academically inclined. I had changed in a way I could never have imagined. I went back to the reporter and explained that in most cases, these kids aren’t rebelling; rather, it’s we, their elders, who pushed them beyond their limits, leaving them no option but to drop out.

    In August 2008, I attended a conference, sponsored by the American Bar Association on Youth at Risk in America, urging lawyers to get involved in counseling troubled teens. I learned that the NYS Constitution guarantees each child an education. Conversely, our national rally cry of Naaseh v’Nishma at Matan Torah did not guarantee every heimishe child a yeshiva/Torah education. At the end of the conference, I introduced myself to Chief Justice Judith Kaye, and described my work in the Chassidic community. I received an unexpected blow when her assistant asked me, “Kids at risk in the Chassidic community, how is that possible, doesn’t your community take care of its own?”

    The Evolution of Classical Chassidism

    The Chassidic Movement was founded in the 18th Century by the Heilige Baal Shem Tov to embrace the disenfranchised religious Eastern European Jews. Chassidism promoted acceptance and insularity – its mission was a hybrid of Ahavas HaBoireh and Ahavas HaBrios. Yet, over the past twenty five years, the Chassidish community has been plagued by two phenomena: technology and exclusivity. As a result, the impregnable fortress insulating our children has been pierced and wreaked havoc and rejection. The children have told me, “It’s more important to my parents how I look than how I feel” and “it’s more important to my yeshiva how much I know, not how much I try.” Once the feeling of rejection sets in, the child succumbs to the challenge of technology and the street life.

    The Manifestations of Exclusivity within Chassidism

    It all started with the best of intentions: we wanted our children to reach their full potential and yeshivas wanted to produce the best talmidim. We aggressively push our children into schools with the highest academic standard and a grueling schedule. But, what about the children who can not meet the bar, due to academic challenges or problems at home? Whose responsibility is it to take care of these children? To what exactly are we aspiring? Perhaps there is an element of “Ivy League” pride, which I was subjected to in applying to law school, we need to uproot. As Reb Tzadok cautions in Pirkei Avos, Perek 4, we should not use the Torah as a crown to glorify ourselves. Lo HaMedrash HaIkar ella HaMaaseh should be the hallmark in raising our children.

    Being expelled from yeshiva is a terrible experience for any bochur. But, when a Chassidish bochur is expelled from yeshiva, it is traumatic, as he has been cut from his bloodline. A Chassidish child learns during his formative years of the cherished bond between Rebbe and Chasid and how the Rebbe is his conduit to Hashem. Life at home revolves around the camaraderie of the Rebbe and Chassidim. When the Chassidish bochor is expelled from his Rebbe’s moisad, he internalizes the expulsion as follows: The yeshiva does not want me, the Rebbe does not want me, my family does not want me – surely, Hashem does not want me too.

    Psychologist Dr. Benzion Twerski, the son of Rabbi Dr. Avraham Twerski, has lectured for B’Derech, has counseled children for years and has seen what goes on behind the scenes. Today, even the best of homes face major challenges, and, although problems can start anywhere, Dr. Twerski feels that yeshiva is one of the first places where issues arise. “Most yeshivas today try to serve kids who are really successful at learning in order to produce the best product,” Dr. Twerski explained. “That’s not where it’s at. Chinuch is not about excellence; it’s about helping kids to achieve their potential.” Dr. Twerski believes that the number of children who cannot keep up with the academic pressure is a far cry from the exception to the rule, and is in fact much closer to the majority.

    Exclusivity, which faces our community today, goes beyond the academic standard of the child. It extends to the minutest detail of his livush. Consequently, children seem to have lost the inspiration of Chassidus and live by rote and obligation. Rabbi Shimon Gertner, a prominent Magid Shiur in Satmar, Monsey and illustrious Dayan in Mechon L’Hoyroa, lectured at several B’Derech events, stressing the importance of parents understanding the individuality of each child. Just as wood has its natural grain, and a carpenter would be foolish to attempt to craft the wood against its grain, so too, must parents raise their children according to his or her natural grain.

    Combating Technology and the Era of Information with Ikrei Emunah

    The Yesodos of Yiddishkeit have lost its predominance in our quest for excellence. We can no longer expect our children to grasp Emunah in the current curriculum. According to Rabbi Pinchos Jung, a prominent lecturer and principal of Bais Rochel Girls School of Monsey, children need to be taught emunah. Teachers and parents should be trained on how to answer questions relating to the Ikrei Emunah. One must validate every child’s question and never call him an apikoires.
    FILE - Hundreds of parents attending Jan 24 2010 B'Derech Lecture by Rabbi Rietti, Rabbi Jung, Rabbi Bergstein
    FILE - Hundreds of parents attending Jan 24 2010 B'Derech Lecture by Rabbi Rietti, Rabbi Jung, Rabbi Bergstein
    Rabbi Eliyahu Bergstein, Senior Lecturer for Aish HaTorah and former melamed, has lectured at B’Derech programs on the significance of teaching the concept of “knowledge” of Hashem. Atoh Horaisah LoDaas articulates that we know Hashem’s mandate to us, and how meaningful our Torah and mitzvos are to Hashem. Rabbi Bergstein also points out that we need to know, and to transmit, the distinction between actual Mitzvos and a Chumra associated with a mitzvah. While a Chumra is usually beneficial, if it enhances the simcha and cheishek of doing a Mitzva, it can be very detrimental if indiscriminately forced.

    At a recent B’Derech lecture by Rabbi Rietti, Rabbi Jung and Rabbi Bergstein, on Strengthening the Flame of Emunah in Chinuch, many parents approached me asking why we do not have this material taught to our children in schools and yeshivas. It is B’Derech’s mission to impress upon parents that they are entitled to request this material be incorporated into school curriculum. B’Derech is prepared to work with the parents, schools, camps and yeshivas, on such curriculum.

    Rabbi Yom Tov Glaser, famous lecturer at Aish HaTorah, became involved with B’Derech last year. Rabbi Glaser’s Baal Teshuva background, and choice of a Chassidish lifestyle, is proving to be a magnet to our children seeking answers. He mentors countless bochurim and has lectured on the concept of “Approval vs. Acceptance.” He explained that we need to make each child feel “accepted” while understanding that we need not “approve” of his behavior. When a teenager is in pain, there is a hole in his heart, which he will fill with any pleasure that will assuage the pain. Rabbi Glaser commented that Chassidim have 90% of Yiddishkeit intact – we’re missing just 10%! The first 10% –the yesodos of Yiddishkeit and Ikrei Emunah.


    Advocating for our Children

    Mordechai Weinberger, therapist, social worker, and radio show host, often has spoken at B’Derech events about the inner working of the brain and learning to take control of our actions and, ultimately, our lives. He explained to the boys how foolish it is to think that we can run away from our past. We need to understand that while our past indeed effects our present, we can learn to take control of our future.
    FILE - LMSW Martin (Mordechai, Mutty) Weinberger performing Jewish hypnosis at a Biderech concert (edit)
    Rachel Schmidt, therapist, social worker, author and lecturer taught me that it is not enough to love our children, we must advocate for them as early as possible. She cautions, “Not every bright child is a model academic student. Some intelligent children are more ‘street smart’ than ‘book smart’ and need a more hands on approach to academia.” Atara Malach, psychotherapist, author and lecturer has spoken at B’Derech’s programs. She said that when a child starts behaving inappropriately, parents should not be confrontational, rather their approach should be, “It’s our problem; we’re in this together.” Making the child part of the solution can create a strong, important bond between parent and teenager during this tumultuous period.

    In addition to providing parents with informative lectures on this topic, B’Derech has become a support network for Chassidish teens in crisis. Whether a chavrusa, Shabbos host, job, mentor, medical professional, or help in communicating with friends, parents, or hanhala, is necessary, we aim to fill that need. More importantly, B’Derech arranges social events, Shabbos gatherings and Yom Tov celebrations, which have become exciting opportunities for each bochur to participate, using his individual talents, while being accepted into what has become a growing coalition of rejected bochurim. The key distinguishing factor about B’Derech is the pride the boys take in belonging and the role they play; there is no stigma – because I emphasize that they are not at risk – rather, we, the community, is at risk of losing them, our precious children. With tremendous nachas, I have seen bochurim overcome their nisyonos and then turn around and use their experience to help their friends in crisis.

    I discussed with Rabbi Sholom Noach Landau, Rosh Yeshiva of the prestigious Verertzkye Yeshiva, a question I am often asked: How I work with these rejected teens; what example is that for my children? To which I reply, “I teach my children that these are Hashem’s children too; and Hashem wants to see us helping them.” Rabbi Landau advised me to be patient explaining that society needs time to change course. Just as an ocean steamliner needs time and space to make a U-turn, so too, does our community need the time, courage and strength to change course in dealing with our kids in crisis.

    The Solution: Classical Chassidism – Back to the Beginning

    Rabbi Paysach Krohn, international inspirational speaker and author, has spoken for B’Derech and interviewed the bochurim. He spoke passionately of the importance of clarifying to our children the ikkar versus the toffel. Rabbi Krohn offered to help me when possible and suggested that I research vocational training for bochurim who were failing in the yeshiva system.

    With Siyata d’Shmaya, an excellent, professional vocational training institute was located in Yerushalayim for charedi avreichim, which agreed to form a special class for American bochurim. B’Derech’s exciting Israel Program, has successfully completed its first zman, under the dedicated guidance of R’ Yakov Lubow, affiliated with Yeshiva Ohr Somayach. The program is comprised of shiurim during the day by Rabbi Yom Tov Glaser and Rabbi Mutta Frank, and English classes with vocational training in the evening. B’Ezras Hashem, plans are underway to continue with our Israel program and launch plans for a similar program, combining Torah learning with English/vocational classes in Brooklyn.

    We need to return to the Derech HaBaal Shem Tov, accept all our children, and have realistic expectations of them. Yeshivas should have parallel tracks for various levels of learning. The recent establishment of Chassidish yeshivas exclusively for mitzuyanim and their counterpart for shvacha bochurim has had devastating repercussions. Competition should be tempered in the classroom so that every child shines and smiles. Because when Chassidish children fail academically, and suffer rejection in yeshiva, they view themselves as failures in Yiddishkeit, ultimately falling into a newly coined classification and oxymoron, Chassidish Youth at Risk.

    In conclusion, I would like to reprint an email I received May 27, 2009, when my previous article appeared on Vos Iz Naies,

    Dear Lawyer,

    I’m crying and I’m crying. Your article brings out emotions that nothing else could have.
    I was the kid that everyone loved, I was always happy, helping and fun to be with… I was never a major masmid. But, I had great Rebbes throughout my childhood and adolescent years. When I was 18, I went to learn in Israel. Loved every minute there…The hours I spent leaning on those warm stones davening, feeling as close to G-D as the Kohen felt Yom Kippur…

    This is where things took a turn: Saddam Hussein was captured when I was in Yeshiva. I was so excited about the news, I had to go online and see pictures… I couldn’t resist and printed several copies and brought them back to Yeshiva.

    One bochur went to tell the Rosh Yeshiva that I’m putting out stuff in Beis Medrash that I found online… that Bein Hazmanim the Rosh Yeshiva called … explained to my father that I became “farschmutzt” from going online and it would be irresponsible to let me go back to Israel… I was pleading with my parents to let me go back to Israel where I had all my friends … but to no avail…Their response was: The Rosh Yeshiva said its too dangerous for you to return. I didn’t have any friends here. I was so hurt and felt so alone and so down. I started going to internet cafes but this time to chat and ….. not to see pictures of Saddam.

    I’m not going into the darker side of my life…I felt so low, so down, everything was ok, “If it felt good, do it” was the way I lived. I started living a double life that led to so much pain you can’t imagine! Had I just had someone like you to talk to my parents or to my Rosh Yeshiva and push me back to Israel, all of the pain and suffering I and my parents went through for YEARS could have been avoided.

    I’m now 23, married and have a beautiful son. Another one is on the way b”h and believe me I’m a happy father knowing that B’Derech will be there for MY kids..

    It must be hard for you to strive against the current but keep it up. Your Avodas Hakodesh is needed and will be well rewarded.

    Ruchie (Rachel) Freier, is a prominent Charedi attorney at law, and can be contacted by email at [email protected] , she maintains her offices in Brooklyn: 1716 56th Street Brooklyn, NY 11204 Tel: 718-259-4525 Fax: 718-259-4039

    Editors note: The above article is not a paid advertisement, nor an endorsement of B’derech , it simply highlights the tremendous amount of Kids at Risk in our Frum community, and one of the many organizations in New York that are trying to help. If you know of any other Organizations helping troubled teens, please email us and will feature them.


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    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    13 years ago

    you can mamish cry

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    13 years ago

    The vocational training seems a productive idea, better than a life on drugs. However, it can also lead to becoming solidly entrenched in the goyishe world, settling in a career and the secular pleasures of economic independence. Paradoxical as it may seem, the one who is hurting and on drugs is more likely to look for a way to return. This is just to say, that a job/career will probably boost self-esteem, but not necessarily cause a return to yiddiskeit.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    13 years ago

    we need this for adults too.

    michael
    michael
    13 years ago

    why the political correctness “The above article is not a paid advertisement, nor an endorsement of B’derech “stop the insanity,you should endorse this

    Chaim Kompel
    Chaim Kompel
    13 years ago

    After so many years of working with these teens & their families, I am happy to hear words that ring so true that they are being heard. I hope that the general press picks up on this so that we can get this message out to the masses. Parents and mechanchim need to know that there is a way. A way that is not new nor new age, but the age old Derech ha’Torah (v’hachasidus). Kudos to those who are moser nefesh. Kol hamatzil nefesh achas (even 1% nefesh) k’ilu kiyam oilom mol’e!
    Ch@imK™

    DizzyIzzy
    DizzyIzzy
    13 years ago

    Sounds like a good organization, but is this news to anyone? Kids at-risk have been in the spotlight since the mid-1990s. If the problem hasn’t gone away, and is only getting worse, then it just means doing more of the same isn’t working. This organizations sounds like more of the same.

    Here’s a radical idea: instead of discouraging education and professional development at every turn, perhaps the chareidi community should make an effort to provide its youths with real education so they can look forward to meaningful employment such as becoming a doctor, or a lawyer like this organization’s director.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    13 years ago

    If these kids with learning disabilities are having such problems, why aren’t they tested and provided with medication or therapy to help them out at a younger age? I ask this in all sincerity.

    DEEPTHINKER
    DEEPTHINKER
    13 years ago

    Most ADHD kids just need a better diet and a kick in the rear, and a good parent will deliver both. After all, the carrot-and-stick approach only works when you’ve got a pretty good stick.

    And if you really do suspect a problem in your child’s brain, see a neurologist — not a shrink, not ever.

    shmiel glassman
    shmiel glassman
    13 years ago

    there are numerous wonderful orgs. & individuals trying their best one can write volumes about the mesiras nefesh of those askanim (the problem is noone has yet to come up with a mehalech that works..there are pro’s & cons to each approach & when making a ” concession ” to an individual need one must also take into consideration the effect on the community at large “one of the reasons all these well meaning programs CANNOT FUNDRAISE & ultimatly need state grants is not because the community is not there its because all the major balei batim have given “millions” & the results are not pleasent ( ofcourse even 1 child saved.)
    there are 2 diff. bet these boys going off & the old days is a. in europe they embraced ” haskalah” in america “they are embracing “pistkeit” ( chochma can be challenged w/ logic -emptiness cant) second diff. is in the old days the peyos came off first but the mitzvos stayed a while longer today its the opposite the levush is the last thing to come off ” but in a sense they were really fry for a while
    THESE TEENS should ask themselves one question ?WHAT IS DRIVING THESE RABBIS TO HELP TOTAL STRANGERS AT ALL HRS. OF THE NIGHT??? JOIN THEM BOYS !!!!

    The Truth
    The Truth
    13 years ago

    The problem isnt ADHD, or bad parenting or a society that is becoming profane and vulgar. The main problem is the hasidic influences that the bochrim look up to and are leading them astray like Lipa and others. If we would somehow censor Lipa and his music I believe the amounts of Hasidim going off would be considerably less

    CHESKY
    CHESKY
    13 years ago

    at risk is not a bad term its a fact if one looks at not putting on tefillin as a soul w/ a virus at risk is not bad
    one question for the staff at bederech if u take a kid whos roaming the streets & on drugs & u get him “clean” , GED, grads college & finds a shikse & moves to newpaltz DID U SUCCEED OR FAIL?????

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    13 years ago

    Excellent article. It’s about time the Chasidm stop buying their heads in the sand and claiming that only the MO have problems

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    13 years ago

    Parents!! Stop being generous with your children, it is one thing to give $$ for a slice of pizza but ask for the change. It is important. Those few pennies add up to $$$ and then the kids can buy drugs. Ladies, watch your purses, kids steal!! ALL OF THEM!! The best of them!! What do you think they buy!!

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    13 years ago

    I just think it’s funny that BDerech has all these litvish rabbonim giving shmoozin for a chassisidish org. Where are the rebbes? How are they addressing these issues? Oh right they aren’t. Seriously? A “chassisdish” org has Rabbi Rietti and Motti Berger from Aish doing their talks? These guys are great, I listen to them also, but the chasidish main stream dont get it. This is just the tip of the iceberg, v’hameyvin yovin.

    know it all
    know it all
    13 years ago

    You wonder why children leave the derech here is why:
    1- Judaism today is not about culture anymore, it is about strict adherence. Instead of Rabbis banning everything they should allow Jewish kids to find their place in the world. If they wanna play guitar or draw nobody should turn them down.
    2- Jews are obsessed with Psychologists and Therapists. Half of you have your kids on Meds and seeing psychologists, KIDS REBEL! It is natural for children to rebel even if they are Hassidic. Even the Amish have come to respect this.
    How come Jewish children who are not carbon copies of their shulmates are considered heretics? Why not just let your kids be kids and love them instead of pumping them full of meds, so the gossipers at shul won’t comment on them.
    3- The outside world is not all drugs and violence. Many Hassidic teens try drugs JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER TEEN!! IF you are going to send them to Dr. Livshits or give them pills every time they they smell like pot or act up, how do you expect that your kids will respect you and the derech?
    Judaism is not about banning all the joys of life, it is about living a joyus life!!!

    root of the problem
    root of the problem
    13 years ago

    This situation is the result of Yeshivos (chasidish/litvish/sephardic) trying to boost their ratings by accepting/concentrating on the “best” students and ignoring the others. Self perpetuation / institutional aggrandizement became our Yeshivos’ reason for existence – not teaching Torah to Jewish children. As the result, help from heaven is lost – thereby producing a generation of mediocrity and failure.

    a few questions
    a few questions
    13 years ago

    how come similar boys from similar families take such diff. paths…
    the problem with these orgs. is that ‘THERE ARE NO CONSEQUENCES’ to the teens actions -if you come late to group ,no problem, late to job -we have pull w/the boss, need a suit heres cash.. central booking -oh well calll chaim deutch…..- in the real world it dont work that way & thats THE FIRST thing these boys need to learn ..
    the first thing these orgs. do with good intentions is disarm the parents -our family puts up w/ you our son but when our daughter the kallah begs you to pls wear a hat just for the vort because the chosons family is coming -the sister you say you love , but u watch her cry & say ” take me as i am” WHATS THAT!! a goy would put on a kipa faster ( & then an asken will call & say he just started putting on tefilin again & a hat is not a halacha…)

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    13 years ago

    Don’t call these kids at risk – instead call them KIDS WITH HOPE

    problem
    problem
    13 years ago

    The problem is because of a lack of interest of the big machers who feel that these kids are below them. Anything can be done but requires $$$ and no one wants to give $$$ for yeshivas they think are for messed up kids.

    They need expert help, not wannabe help and this is expensive.

    Chaim Kompel
    Chaim Kompel
    13 years ago

    After so many years of working with these teens & their families, I am happy to hear words that ring so true that they are being heard. I hope that the general press picks up on this so that we can get this message out to the masses. Parents and mechanchim need to know that there is a way. A way that is not new nor new age, but the age old Derech ha’Torah (v’hachasidus). Kudos to those who are moser nefesh. Kol hamatzil nefesh achas (even 1% nefesh) k’ilu kiyam oilom mol’e!
    Ch@imK™

    Chaim Kompel
    Chaim Kompel
    13 years ago

    I find it quite intriguing that this topic never fails to incite a wave of discussion (most of which is usually sane & to the point).
    I would like to say that after many years working with teens & young adults, I have found that although there is no one cause nor solution, there seems to be two things that come up time and again. Number one is that almost ALL of the disenchanted of today’s generation (regardless of background or age) is that he/she was challenged by bumping into some (usually but not exclusively extreme)form of hypocrisy. Second is that although it obvious that we haven’t found THE solution (yet), what seems to work best (@least in a one on one basis), is just being genuine. If you can be real, you can get through to the toughest kid. What you do with him or her once you’ve gotten through to him/her, is what we should be doing in the first place. “Chanoch lana’ar al pi DARKO”!
    I apologize for rambling but I just felt that this needed to be addressed from a perspective of years in the trenches.
    Ch@imK™

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    13 years ago

    Reading these comments one wonders why we don’t have a bigger kids at risk problem

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    13 years ago

    Yes, I’m from the chassidishe community. Yes, I work with chassidishe kids who are struggling. Yes, there are lots more like me (although I sometimes think I’m unique).

    Earlier comments tried to nail a single cause for the problem. You are all wrong. There are many contributing factors, and all need to be addressed. The chassidishe community is far behind the rest of the frum world in addressing the problem, but they all know it’s there. There are “bums” in every chassidishe shtiebel. There are even adults who mosey in whenever they like, with no mind paid to the zmanim for tefillos. It is not money laundering, it is not lack of secular education, and the insulation from the goyishe world is also not at the root.

    There are issues of feeling internal drive toward avodas Hashem and ahavas Hashem, which is getting harder to find everywhere. Levush maintains part of a social identity, and it is not the first part of one’s Yiddishkeit to be abandoned.

    There is much to fix, improving the chinuch in our homes and yeshivos. Meanwhile, these youngsters need to be welcomed somewhere they will retain a kesher with Yiddishkeit so they will have a goal when they find their ways back.

    Strange
    Strange
    13 years ago

    According to the Shita of Satmar – the Derech of the Baal ShemTov was long forgotten. So what is this all of a sudden?

    Simcha
    Simcha
    13 years ago

    rebbe jungeries is the best!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Tzaddikim Warned
    Tzaddikim Warned
    13 years ago

    Government money for our mosdos will result more issues of ruchnius in our children!

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    13 years ago

    and here are my 2 cents. Of utmost importance is like the article says the kids have to see that there is a difference between “approval and acceptance”. i.e. we may not approve of your behavior but we accept you as you are.
    With the approach the kids will also accept the lifestyle of their family and community even if they are not living up to standards. In this way the kids will know that the derech of Torah is good and proper but they are not there yet. Then they will have respect for Rabbonim and Melamdim and will eventually raise a family in the derech of Torah and will eventually do tshuva themselves.
    But if we don’t accept and respect these kids for who they are and as they are, the result will be that they will grow up and hate the Rabbonim and Melamdim and will not want their family to have anything to do with the Torah world. they will become liberal left (r”l) , conservative and reform.
    As the Berditshever Rebbe said. “Even while he is greasing the wheels of his wagon he is thinking about Hashem and wearing his talis and tefillin. rather than saying “even while he is davening he is greasing wheels of his wagon”.
    This article is all about the boys, what about the girls?

    shmiel glassman
    shmiel glassman
    13 years ago

    simcha #55 rabbi yungreis is the best & what did the boys do a few weeks ago in his shul when he left for an hr ” THEY MADE A HELL OF A RECK ” i sat in his white car & he shockingly showed me the pics – they spit at the hand of the rabbi that feeds them !!! oiy lonu

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    13 years ago

    In my humble opinion, I think that the main reason why kids go off the derech is because we generally expect to much from them, for example, they have to learn all day, while some parents hardly ever learn, they have very little secular studies, the bocherim need to be dressed just like the rebbe but the parents can choose how they want to be dressed, if a bocher has a job he is considered bad marriage material, someone has to open a Yeshiva for normal bocherim that will have half day Torah Classes and the other half secular studies, this should be the norm, a working boy should be considered a normal boy and a learning boy should be a special boy.

    Wake Up
    Wake Up
    13 years ago

    comment #10 says the problem that kids are going off the derech is because of Lipa; someone is totaly ignorant or doesnt know the truth about yeshivahs. why dont you recognize the problem being Yeshivas and Roshei Yeshivas. all yeshivas want bochurim who are Metzuyon; lets be real few are metzuyon and more are average but magidei shiur want easy way out; top boys and not need to help out anyone. maybe take some time to help bochurim who need some extra tutoring; No! say a good word to them No! what happens is that if yeshivahs start harrasing the less than metzuyon bochurim till they rodef them out of yeshiva and hook up to bad influence. there would not be a need for an organization like B’derech if the problem could be nipped in the bud; YESHIVAHS is the source of the problem. start out by working with the boys in yeshiva level and put in some extra effort to help and compliment weaker bochurim. try it, if you dont you will never know the truth.

    18 year old BUM from willi
    18 year old BUM from willi
    13 years ago

    Hey guys chill it I’m 1 of the so called bums and one thing I could say is that Mrs. Freier SAVED MY LIFE her love and understanding is unvalueable. And to all so called Satmer haters I have just one qustion if you r so SATMER MINDED then why are you on VIN.com in the first place when you have accses to the web you r going straight to the explicit side of the web cus there’s only Black or White by you. And leave us alone

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    13 years ago

    I happen to be a very big believer in Rebbes and gedolim yet I must admit that this song on Michoel Shnitzlers last tape is the epidemy of the reason why we have so many lost neshomos! The Gedolim, Rebbes, Rosh Yeshivas etc. were really mad at Michoel for being able to sing such a song, but that’s because they felt humiliated! They know the truth deep down! They are the cause for this! Give a child a chance to show what they got! Money?!? Pride?!? This won’t get you anywhere in life!

    what's gonna be
    what's gonna be
    13 years ago

    From reading these posts it sounds like there is a signifcant percentage of the population that believes in changing our chinuch system.

    I am just wondering what would happen if an organization which is parent and professional based (not moisad or chassidus based) would be founded to address the educational challenges in our schools and come up with recommendations of reforming the yeshiva system. I think every parent would send only to a school that follows the guidelines of that body if it is wll presented and is backed by educatonal professionals. In the last couple of years we have seen new organizations spring up in our society; Bonei Olam, A time, Vaad Hair, Bikur cholim etc. all which are very important. but as parents we need to show manpower in education to tell the leadership of our school system that “we want something done, somethig is wrong in the Chassdishe system” it is old and has not been restructured in 40-50 years.
    also, we need to realize that the US is a seperate entity from Israel. What works (or doesn’t) in Israel, like learning no English, sitting and learning for years after marriage, isolationism etc, wil not work in the US.

    A poshiter Yid
    A poshiter Yid
    13 years ago

    I listen to secular music as well and haven’t gone off the derech.

    So, please don’t blame Lipa!

    Kidney Donor from Boro Park
    Kidney Donor from Boro Park
    13 years ago

    Lipa – you are a fantastic singer, love your music.

    Would love if someone can compose a song about the mitzvah of kidney donation to inspire others to donate a kidney.

    Also a song about the mitzvah of eating healthy, etc. – nishmartem es nafshosaichem?

    Ok, maybe I am asking for too much.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    13 years ago

    I told someone who is so worried about her son, at least he is Shomer Shabbos and keeps kosher. So, he may not have a seder of learning.

    I reallly think some parents are the blame as everything has to be exactly that way, otherwise you are not good or not good enough.

    Of course, lots of garbage on the internet.

    I know of someone who went completely off the derech, long before Lipa was on the scene!

    Gosh, who next will be blamed?

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    13 years ago

    Just want to put my two cents into all this. This is from a mother of two boys “at risk” or not at risk anymore (just worse) The boys are many years apart with many siblings in between. It has been much more difficult to get help many years ago than now however, I still did not end up with any easier or better solution this many years later. Weeks turned to months and then to years while I was always given the runaround of where to turn to for help. From yeshiva to yeshiva to askan to therapists to private people to sending to Eretz Yisrael to bringing him back to therapists again and the list goes on.

    Anybody that does anything to help an organiz. like B’derech and everyone involved in this ( and who cares if the help is chassidish, litvish, yeshivish or —-) gets a lot of credit. Thanx. The frustrat., tears, heartbreak, emotional and physical breakdowns etc., the parents – and these kids go through is sooo beyond descript.
    Many of us in spite of our best efforts have not unfortun. been successful . Yes probably we can play the blame game and think of where we may have gone wrong. We never ever give up trying, crying and davening and may our tears be answered bekarav

    marc
    marc
    13 years ago

    hashem created all of us with a yetzer hora that makes us all potentially at risk it is only that hashem gives us a merit to ask him for help!!!! But unfortunately instead of looking in our plate and asking hashem to help us with our difficulties we are busy living in denial and worry and yenta-ing about the next person plate.
    someone came to a tzaddik and told him that i don’t speak loshon hora from 1-2 p.m.
    The tzadddik answered him that is the time you speak the most loshon hora. The person answered correct. The person then asked how do i not speak loshon hora if hashem created me to have the potential to speak loshon hora? The tzaddik responded ask hashem to give me a reason why not to speak loshon hora and then you hahsem will help me to not speak loshon hora.

    Hashem wants our connection and to admit if one will admit that we are a human and have a potential to do with the yetzer hora than hashem can and will make us a person.

    Just lets ask together and not judge together amen. if we will merit to seek hashem help for hashem is going through the given situation (s) with us all we will merit to see and have health happiness and merit to have hashem give us all the guela amen

    hear nur
    hear nur
    13 years ago

    Excuses, excuses. That’s what we’re busy with. For starters there is such a thing as bechira. Everyone can choose the path they want to take. That doesn’t mean that one who veered off the path is stuck for life. That’ s why we have the concept of teshuva and one can return to Yiddishkeit anytime.

    So does that mean we as parents, mechanchim, and good hearted Jews who care for these kids should sit back and do nothing? No, we need to do our hishtadlus because that’s what we need to do, period.
    1)Davening for the succes of our kids is the single most importand factor and yet surprisingly overlooked.
    2) I think that parents and mechanchim should not be so judgemental of every little thing. Kids (and parents-I sometimes get stressed out too because of this) do NOT need to be carbon copies of each other. Everyone needs to be excepted as they are. That doesn’t mean there is no room for improvement, but as Reb Zushe zt’l said “In heaven I will judged if I wasn’t a Moshe Rabbeinu, I will be judged if I wasn’t the best R’ Zishe.”
    3) A better secular education is not the answer. Kids from MO homes, are not better off. Kids from public schools are avadah not better off.

    hear nur cont.
    hear nur cont.
    13 years ago

    It is unfair for our boys to expect them to have the additional burden of intense English classes after leanring Torah so many hours. Cutting hours from Torah learning is counterproductive and sends a wrong message that a secular education is equal to the study of Torah.
    A separate issue is men who need parnosah. They can anytime brush up their secular studies (English and the Liberal Arts) when they need to. I find it abhorant that those who are not cut out for full time kollel or need to rely on their struggling parents are doing so. We need more colleges like Touro (let’s call them Mechon L’Parnossah in Lakewood, KJ and Will.)and more degrees offered. But this is a separate issue and has nothing to do with at risk kids.
    4)Parents need to be there for their kids. You cannot just keep on having kids and not being there for them. I find it absolutely disgusting that kids are being brought up by babysitters and barely see their mothers( that’s why I’m posting VIN so much- I gave up a career to be home for my kids, so for some intellectual discussions I post on VIN when my baby naps and sometimes before my kids come home and at night- thanks VIN)

    hear nur cont.
    hear nur cont.
    13 years ago

    Woman are not mchiuv to get married. So if they do, and they set up a family, there is no excuse that kids should grow up w/o a mother.
    4)Parents need to cultivate strong relationships with their kids. It is appalling that parents have no idea what their kids are shmoozing with others (I’e seen that even with kids whose parents are mechanchim) and what they’re doing (I’ve seen little kids roaming the street). Kids hide important stuff from their parents because they don’t have a strong bond with them and don’t feel comfortable sharing their thoughts and feelings.
    5)Bounderies need to be set. There are parents that have no pateince to stand their ground on important issues and give in easily. That’s wrong- allowing things that shouldn’t be allowed is wrong.
    6)The materialism that some frum people chase after is very troublesome. Big houses, exsesive and unaffordable vacations, being obsessed with looks are totally condraticting to Torah values. You can talk the talk, but if you don’t walk the walk, then you’re a hypocrite. In other words, you can have Yiddishe names, be tzniusdig, send you’re kids to good schools and yet be saturated with goyishkeit.

    annom
    annom
    13 years ago

    Let me just say as someone who’s been off the derech for a while now and did not have ADD or ADHD. I left because the hypocricy of the leaders of the yeshivas and the way the dealt with the kids at risk, kicked em to the curb and they are supposed to be the “Benei rachmonim”. We dont just leave because we dont like to learn all day. We leave because we are being abused by parents, Melamdim, rabbis etc and we have no one to protect us. If I remember correctly erev shevious R Frier wrote here on VIN that most kids that come to her have been sexually abused