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New York - Thousands Of Anti-Zionist Satmar Chasidim Protest Against Desecration of Graves in 'Israel' [video]

Published on: May 31, 2010 08:58 PM
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Taking part in the protest (R-L) Grand Rabbi Of Satmar Rabbi AaronTeitelbaum, Rabbi Yechezkel Roth, And Kiryas Joel Dayan Rabbi Getzel Berkowitz Photo:Credit : Gazette PicturesTaking part in the protest (R-L) Grand Rabbi Of Satmar Rabbi AaronTeitelbaum, Rabbi Yechezkel Roth, And Kiryas Joel Dayan Rabbi Getzel Berkowitz Photo:Credit : Gazette Pictures

New York - Thousands of Satmar Chasidim and anti-Zionist Orthodox Jews took part in a major demonstration that to take place this afternoon in front of the Israeli Consulate at 800 2nd Avenue in Manhattan. The demonstrators were protesting the ongoing construction by the Israeli government over two ancient Jewish cemeteries, one in Ashkelon and the other in Jaffa.

The mass protest was called for by Rabbi Aaron Teitelbaum, the Grand Rabbi Of the Satmar Chasidim, who took part in the demonstration,  and by other Rabbinic Rabbis.

The demonstration also protested against the brutal methods employed by the Zionist authorities against the peaceful religious protestors who come to the construction sites to express their deep pain at the government’s shameful acts.

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“The government has made the decision to proceed with desecrating these cemeteries, although many alternative suggestions for the construction have been offered,” said Rabbi Benzion Loab one of the organizers of the demonstration. “Their complete insensitivity to Judaism and to the feelings of observant Jews stands in stark contrast to the behavior of other countries, whose governments often cancel construction plans when they run into old Jewish cemeteries.

“We see the Israeli government’s behavior as only symptomatic of a larger problem. According to the Torah and the Talmudic Sages, ever since the destruction of the Temple 2000 years ago, Jews have been in exile by Divine decree and were forbidden from re-establishing themselves as a nation until the coming of the messiah. The Zionist ideology is thus fundamentally anti-Torah. Not only has Zionism denied the fundamental Jewish belief in Heavenly Redemption; it has created a pseudo-Judaism which replaces the Torah with nationalism.

“It should therefore come as no surprise that such a so-called Jewish state digs up ancient Jewish graves. In fact, the graves they desecrate are those of the very same Talmudic Sages whose guidelines the Zionists reject,” Rabbi Benzion Loab concluded.

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 May 31, 2010 at 09:11 PM non satmar Says:

Why is it only satmar that's protest, that's not only a zionist issue!!!
This is about standing up for our sages!!
Where is the rest of the orthodox world jury?
Thanks to you satmar's!!
Atleats someone does something!

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 May 31, 2010 at 09:07 PM Anonymous Says:

What a Kidish Hashem!!

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 May 31, 2010 at 09:20 PM Anonymous Says:

Today is not a day for any Jew to protest against Israel. The world is busy condeming us they will not understand why we are protesting. I am proud to be orthdox and not crazy like the satmar's

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 May 31, 2010 at 09:18 PM Dag Says:

Are they sure that sackcloth doesnt need Tzizis?

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 May 31, 2010 at 09:15 PM Anonymous Says:

since they don't think Israel should exist, why do they care what happens there.

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 May 31, 2010 at 09:24 PM Anonymous Says:

ס'איז א גרויסע קידוש השם צו זעהן ווי יודען קומען זיך צוזאם און שרייען אויס דאס וויי געשריי, וואס די ציונים טוהן אפ און ארצינו הקדושה, מ'פירט זיך אויף צו שוכני עפר, ערגער ווי מ'פירט זיך אויף צו טויטע הונט, דאס האט גארנישט צוטוהן צו די ביסט א סאמערער צו א בעלזער, ווען מ'קוקט זיך צו, וואס זיי טוהן דארט, ס'איז ממש א הימל געשריי.. און צו ענק יודען וואס האלטן אז דאס איז א חלל השם, לאז מיך דיר פרעגען איין פראגע, וואו אזוי וואלט דיר געשמעקט ווען מ'ווארפט זיך ארום מיט דיין טאטענ'ס איברים? דעמאלס וואלסטו שוין פארשטאנען אז מ'דארף פראטעסטירן, סא לייג דיך אריין אביסל טיפער אונעם ענין

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 May 31, 2010 at 09:28 PM insider Says:

No one can definitively say the gravesites are those of Jews. Authorities, who may be suspected of being proud Zionists, maintain that pagan ritual items were found at the site, indicating that the graves are those of pagans. Of course, that does not fit into the illusion that both sides of Satmar are interested in presenting. If Satmar really cared about the holiness of Eretz Yisroel, they would move there and create religious communities that should be beacons of light for Jews, Chasidish and frum, all over the world. The Laniado Hospital in Natanya establsihed by the Klausenberger Rebbe zt"l is a real Kiddush Hashem. The Mir Yeshiva in Jerusalem is a Kiddush Hashem. Rebbes and Chasidim coming in thousands to the Kotel are all true Kiddush Hashem. Chasidim protesting in the middle of tomei Manhattan is definitely not.

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 May 31, 2010 at 09:30 PM Anonymous Says:

This protest wont help anything, the Israeli government is currently preoccupied with the Gaza Ship flortila's.

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 May 31, 2010 at 09:30 PM Anonymous Says:

I am no Zionist, but I feel strongly that the timing of this is more than poor. It is one thing do reject Zionism on ideological grounds, and to remain aware that the Zionist movement does much that is against the Torah. I have trouble believing that the Satmar Rebbe Reb Yoel ZT"L was against achdus among Yidden. The existence of the State of Israel is a fact, as is the fact that this government does not follow Torah as its Supreme guide in life. But today, the danger is open against Yidden world over, and every event will be interpreted by the many enemies around the planet as a justification to harm Yidden. And like the Nazis Y"Sh, they will not verify whether the targeted Yid is sympathetic to Zionism or not.

I long for the day when Yidden will all live with achdus. We won't need a "State" of Israel, because we will have merited Moshiach.

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 May 31, 2010 at 09:31 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #6  
Anonymous Says:

ס'איז א גרויסע קידוש השם צו זעהן ווי יודען קומען זיך צוזאם און שרייען אויס דאס וויי געשריי, וואס די ציונים טוהן אפ און ארצינו הקדושה, מ'פירט זיך אויף צו שוכני עפר, ערגער ווי מ'פירט זיך אויף צו טויטע הונט, דאס האט גארנישט צוטוהן צו די ביסט א סאמערער צו א בעלזער, ווען מ'קוקט זיך צו, וואס זיי טוהן דארט, ס'איז ממש א הימל געשריי.. און צו ענק יודען וואס האלטן אז דאס איז א חלל השם, לאז מיך דיר פרעגען איין פראגע, וואו אזוי וואלט דיר געשמעקט ווען מ'ווארפט זיך ארום מיט דיין טאטענ'ס איברים? דעמאלס וואלסטו שוין פארשטאנען אז מ'דארף פראטעסטירן, סא לייג דיך אריין אביסל טיפער אונעם ענין

The bones are non jews, so why are they protesting?

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 May 31, 2010 at 09:33 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #6  
Anonymous Says:

ס'איז א גרויסע קידוש השם צו זעהן ווי יודען קומען זיך צוזאם און שרייען אויס דאס וויי געשריי, וואס די ציונים טוהן אפ און ארצינו הקדושה, מ'פירט זיך אויף צו שוכני עפר, ערגער ווי מ'פירט זיך אויף צו טויטע הונט, דאס האט גארנישט צוטוהן צו די ביסט א סאמערער צו א בעלזער, ווען מ'קוקט זיך צו, וואס זיי טוהן דארט, ס'איז ממש א הימל געשריי.. און צו ענק יודען וואס האלטן אז דאס איז א חלל השם, לאז מיך דיר פרעגען איין פראגע, וואו אזוי וואלט דיר געשמעקט ווען מ'ווארפט זיך ארום מיט דיין טאטענ'ס איברים? דעמאלס וואלסטו שוין פארשטאנען אז מ'דארף פראטעסטירן, סא לייג דיך אריין אביסל טיפער אונעם ענין

It was nice to see frum yiden protest in a civilized manor - no violence. Why can't the frum yiden in Israel protest the same way?

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 May 31, 2010 at 09:34 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
Anonymous Says:

Today is not a day for any Jew to protest against Israel. The world is busy condeming us they will not understand why we are protesting. I am proud to be orthdox and not crazy like the satmar's

Dosent look like orthodox?!?!
What would you do if its your fathers dead bod?!
if you claim you are orthodox, than its indeed your father...

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 May 31, 2010 at 09:38 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
Anonymous Says:

Today is not a day for any Jew to protest against Israel. The world is busy condeming us they will not understand why we are protesting. I am proud to be orthdox and not crazy like the satmar's

And I'm proud not to be part of the isreali state who does whatever the flick they want. thye kill the living the and the dead its a no wonder moshiac Is not here yet? the isrealis r an ammbarresment to judiasim they have no respect for the dead or the living they r messing with G-D who's whole point of the world is life after death if u daven u prob recite the brocha "baruch atu hashem m'chai maisim" how is hashem going to restore the dead if they're bones r being thrown around, there is a reason why we bury the dead. With every part of they're body. Including blood even if it needs to be scraped of cement etc.so when moshiac comes there will be "tchias hamaisim" I'm satmar and proud because a smart person would not have the chutzpah to wage a war against hashem only someone stupid!

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 May 31, 2010 at 09:40 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #11  
Anonymous Says:

It was nice to see frum yiden protest in a civilized manor - no violence. Why can't the frum yiden in Israel protest the same way?

They do, only the secular media likes to report it otherwise and doofuses like you believe them.

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 May 31, 2010 at 09:40 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
Anonymous Says:

Today is not a day for any Jew to protest against Israel. The world is busy condeming us they will not understand why we are protesting. I am proud to be orthdox and not crazy like the satmar's

The world is not condeming us its condeming the state of isreal which by the way I'm proud not to be a part of.because till the messiah comes we r all in exile or better put HOMELESS

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 May 31, 2010 at 09:44 PM Anonymous Says:

in Ashkelon its clear that its jewish graves

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 May 31, 2010 at 09:46 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #5  
Anonymous Says:

since they don't think Israel should exist, why do they care what happens there.

Its called achdus all jews r brothers no matter were u live. If someone would throw you're brothers bones around in india and u live in LA I'm sure u would make it ur business to protest about it and a cemetry were u disrupt the dead puts everyone in a sakana

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 May 31, 2010 at 09:49 PM oiberchoochem Says:

Reply to #13  
Anonymous Says:

And I'm proud not to be part of the isreali state who does whatever the flick they want. thye kill the living the and the dead its a no wonder moshiac Is not here yet? the isrealis r an ammbarresment to judiasim they have no respect for the dead or the living they r messing with G-D who's whole point of the world is life after death if u daven u prob recite the brocha "baruch atu hashem m'chai maisim" how is hashem going to restore the dead if they're bones r being thrown around, there is a reason why we bury the dead. With every part of they're body. Including blood even if it needs to be scraped of cement etc.so when moshiac comes there will be "tchias hamaisim" I'm satmar and proud because a smart person would not have the chutzpah to wage a war against hashem only someone stupid!

I am not Satmar but I highly respect them and their views. The reason Moshiach has not yet come is because of the creation of the State of Israel. They don't respect the living or the dead. I'm proue to live in the US and not to be a part of them

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 May 31, 2010 at 09:52 PM Ananymous Hareidi Says:

Reply to #13  
Anonymous Says:

And I'm proud not to be part of the isreali state who does whatever the flick they want. thye kill the living the and the dead its a no wonder moshiac Is not here yet? the isrealis r an ammbarresment to judiasim they have no respect for the dead or the living they r messing with G-D who's whole point of the world is life after death if u daven u prob recite the brocha "baruch atu hashem m'chai maisim" how is hashem going to restore the dead if they're bones r being thrown around, there is a reason why we bury the dead. With every part of they're body. Including blood even if it needs to be scraped of cement etc.so when moshiac comes there will be "tchias hamaisim" I'm satmar and proud because a smart person would not have the chutzpah to wage a war against hashem only someone stupid!

Satmar has been an example to many yeedin but in this case they are as stupid for having this demonstration at this time as the stupidity of the Israelis not letting these boats pass to Gaza thus depriving the flotilla of the gain of their objectives. They are both ignoramuses.

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 May 31, 2010 at 10:03 PM Lakewood Says:

when I heard Satmar Rebbe shlita is calling a protest I knew I have to go.
today I say for the first time in a very long time that Satmar is still The Satmar I remember as a child in Madison Square garden.
may g-d help that those in israel should stop this big chilul kvurim.
and for record I was among many none satmars.

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 May 31, 2010 at 10:06 PM Charlie Hall Says:

Reply to #1  
non satmar Says:

Why is it only satmar that's protest, that's not only a zionist issue!!!
This is about standing up for our sages!!
Where is the rest of the orthodox world jury?
Thanks to you satmar's!!
Atleats someone does something!

No, our sages are supposed to stand up for the Jewish people when we are in danger. These people are standing up for the enemies of the Jewish people! Of all days to have a rally against Israel!!!

Words can not express my disgust.

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 May 31, 2010 at 10:07 PM Charlie Hall Says:

Reply to #15  
Anonymous Says:

The world is not condeming us its condeming the state of isreal which by the way I'm proud not to be a part of.because till the messiah comes we r all in exile or better put HOMELESS

If you think Hamas's war is against the Jewish state and not against Jews you are a fool.

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 May 31, 2010 at 10:09 PM Charlie Hall Says:

Reply to #13  
Anonymous Says:

And I'm proud not to be part of the isreali state who does whatever the flick they want. thye kill the living the and the dead its a no wonder moshiac Is not here yet? the isrealis r an ammbarresment to judiasim they have no respect for the dead or the living they r messing with G-D who's whole point of the world is life after death if u daven u prob recite the brocha "baruch atu hashem m'chai maisim" how is hashem going to restore the dead if they're bones r being thrown around, there is a reason why we bury the dead. With every part of they're body. Including blood even if it needs to be scraped of cement etc.so when moshiac comes there will be "tchias hamaisim" I'm satmar and proud because a smart person would not have the chutzpah to wage a war against hashem only someone stupid!

The whole world is listening to the anti-Israel lashan hara that is coming from religious Jews. H"K"B"H is also listening. Our brothers and sisters are under assault. And you are not on the side of our brothers and sisters today.

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 May 31, 2010 at 10:10 PM Anonymous Says:

Everything Maran HAGH"K M'Satmar Zy"a has said about the medina has happened. His holy vision has saved klal yisroel from "meenus & apikorsis" . With his tremendus koach Hatorah , Avodah & Gemilas Chassadim, he planted the most beautiful chassidus featuring all 3 of the amudai haolam of Torah , Avodah & gemilas chassadim with kedushah v'tahara & kanayus readying klal yisroel for beeas moshiach tzidkainu BB"A

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 May 31, 2010 at 10:15 PM Are you for real?? Says:

"The demonstration also protested against the brutal methods employed by the Zionist authorities against the *PEACEFUL* religious protesters who come...."

Was the definition of peaceful recently changed?

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 May 31, 2010 at 10:14 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #20  
Lakewood Says:

when I heard Satmar Rebbe shlita is calling a protest I knew I have to go.
today I say for the first time in a very long time that Satmar is still The Satmar I remember as a child in Madison Square garden.
may g-d help that those in israel should stop this big chilul kvurim.
and for record I was among many none satmars.

The satmar are jeopardizing the security of EY by this demonstration. We should worry about the security of the living and not be organizing phony protests about moving bones that were ruled by the experts and gadolim in isreael to be pagan bones and not those of yidden. The political stunt will only reinforce the hatred of the goyim against israel and jews.

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 May 31, 2010 at 10:15 PM Anonymous Says:

the world today is attacking israel yes us jews.. they dont ask if your satmer or bobov they are attacking jews not israelis. shame on you at of all the days to do this today

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 May 31, 2010 at 10:20 PM koilsatmar Says:

"Burich HaMekadeish Shmoi BuRabim"... Mega Kidish Hashem When 'Tens of Thousands' Yiden Came To Protest Called By C''k Rabeiny Shlit"a,

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 May 31, 2010 at 10:27 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #21  
Charlie Hall Says:

No, our sages are supposed to stand up for the Jewish people when we are in danger. These people are standing up for the enemies of the Jewish people! Of all days to have a rally against Israel!!!

Words can not express my disgust.

First of all were does hamas come in to the pic I said were in gulis not hostages being held by hamas militants. #2 isreal is always because they do whatever they want its called isreali chutzpah!!! And I like the way satmar is making the chilul hashem when our own brothers who have jewish blood wether they like it or not r strewing there ancestors bones all over the place.and when there brothers come to protest they beat them up NOW that's a chilul hashem and for that they will pay a high price u have any siblings? throw his bones around and will see how ur parents will react I would slap u silly

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 May 31, 2010 at 10:29 PM Pashuteh Yid Says:

The nonsense about the State of Israel somehow contradicting the hope for the ultimate geula is just that--nonsense. Does getting up and going to work contradict the idea that the RBSH provides parnasa? Does going to a doctor contradict the idea that the RBSH is the Rofei Cholim?

The Medina is the greatest thing that ever happened to the Jews since the Churban. The Satmar are just frustrated that their shita has been shown to be nonsense, so they make noise every so often. Meanwhile the Medina flourishes in ruchnius and gashmius. There are more yeshivas and shuls than ever before, and we have access to all the mekomos hakedoshim. The economy is one of the strongest in the world, and medicine and science are studied at the highest levels with constant innovation and advanced research. The RBSH makes open miracles through the IDF which will go to the ends of the earth to help a Jew anywhere, as in Entebbe.

Since these facts stare the Satmar in the face and disprove their nonsense, and they know this deep down, they feel the need to stir up trouble to avoid facing the fact that their ideology is bogus.

The RBSH loves the Medina, and most of all the cherished chayalim mosrei nefesh.

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 May 31, 2010 at 10:32 PM Anonymous Says:

for the people who complain the timing is wrong, this protest was scheduled last week already and everything was set and ready to go way before last nights insident so I guess the killing of the activities by israel was bad timing

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 May 31, 2010 at 10:34 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #23  
Charlie Hall Says:

The whole world is listening to the anti-Israel lashan hara that is coming from religious Jews. H"K"B"H is also listening. Our brothers and sisters are under assault. And you are not on the side of our brothers and sisters today.

What kind of brother and sister digs up they're own familys graves? no I don't feel bad for them why should I do they feel bad for the charaidim they beat up so they can continue they're disgusting work of massacuring graves.this week I saw a pic of a skull rolling around nexto. An archiologist in ashkelon. That head could be ur grandfather BRO!!

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 May 31, 2010 at 10:36 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #22  
Charlie Hall Says:

If you think Hamas's war is against the Jewish state and not against Jews you are a fool.

For ur info hamas hates anything that stands for peace they threw down the towers because the USA is on isreals Side

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 May 31, 2010 at 10:41 PM Anonymous Says:

the secular world does not differentiate between Jews and Israelis.... to them a Jew is automatically connected to the state of Israel.

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 May 31, 2010 at 10:44 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #11  
Anonymous Says:

It was nice to see frum yiden protest in a civilized manor - no violence. Why can't the frum yiden in Israel protest the same way?

They just didn't have the cajones to act like they do in EY. Could you imagine what would have happened if they started calling NY cops "Nazis" and throwing stones and spitting?

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 May 31, 2010 at 10:53 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #27  
Anonymous Says:

the world today is attacking israel yes us jews.. they dont ask if your satmer or bobov they are attacking jews not israelis. shame on you at of all the days to do this today

the last time I checked the word jew meant a torah abiding by the rules of G-D given to us jews by G-D And not ISREAL isreal was taken from the times of the pharro when jews were called isrealites so they named they're state which shouldn't even be a state because the shcina is in exile. Jews live all over does the word brazil mean jews NO

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 May 31, 2010 at 10:56 PM Anonymous Says:

The real winner from today's events (both off the coast of israel and the NYC demonstrtion) is Iran. The Satmer demonstration against Israel, a few blocks from the U.N. will undercut the efforts made over a period of months to get sanctions against Iran for its nuclear program. They have shifted world attention away from Iran and will now view Israel as the real threat in the mid-east.

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 May 31, 2010 at 11:04 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #27  
Anonymous Says:

the world today is attacking israel yes us jews.. they dont ask if your satmer or bobov they are attacking jews not israelis. shame on you at of all the days to do this today

Ye They r attacking isrealis! in case u forgot what a jew is I will remind u were the ones who abide the torah no matter what u look like just abide the rules for G-D's sake . One of the rules being Unoechi hashem alokecha" I am hashem who happens to rule the world and will restore life into u after moshiac comes, so please do me a favor and leave the dead buried so I have were to put the soles back into. I'm a jew not an isreali just a G-D fearing jew and have ZERO association with state of isreal

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 May 31, 2010 at 11:11 PM don't worry for hashem Says:

Reply to #13  
Anonymous Says:

And I'm proud not to be part of the isreali state who does whatever the flick they want. thye kill the living the and the dead its a no wonder moshiac Is not here yet? the isrealis r an ammbarresment to judiasim they have no respect for the dead or the living they r messing with G-D who's whole point of the world is life after death if u daven u prob recite the brocha "baruch atu hashem m'chai maisim" how is hashem going to restore the dead if they're bones r being thrown around, there is a reason why we bury the dead. With every part of they're body. Including blood even if it needs to be scraped of cement etc.so when moshiac comes there will be "tchias hamaisim" I'm satmar and proud because a smart person would not have the chutzpah to wage a war against hashem only someone stupid!

even that I agree with u I still want to explain u hashem has no problem to mechaye maissim what so ever so don't worry for him and please don't ask a question how will hashem ????

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 May 31, 2010 at 11:12 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
Anonymous Says:

Today is not a day for any Jew to protest against Israel. The world is busy condeming us they will not understand why we are protesting. I am proud to be orthdox and not crazy like the satmar's

This is as good a time really the the best time to protest against the chilul kivrei yisroel the satmar rebbe zyu explains that pressure on them mostly helps

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 May 31, 2010 at 11:16 PM Sam Says:

Others already said it, but timing is eveything. Today is not the day for protest. Yidden throughout the world are in danger because of the Gaza incident. The protest should have been delayed. They can always protest next week.

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 May 31, 2010 at 11:17 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #18  
oiberchoochem Says:

I am not Satmar but I highly respect them and their views. The reason Moshiach has not yet come is because of the creation of the State of Israel. They don't respect the living or the dead. I'm proue to live in the US and not to be a part of them

That is a relief. I thought Moshiach hadn't come yet because of my own faults and sins and those of other religious Jews, including Satmar. Good to know its just all Israel's fault.

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 May 31, 2010 at 11:20 PM hear nur Says:

Israel has a right to defend herself but they also have an obligation to act decent. Digging up ancient graves is not a decent, moral or right thing to do. Even if the Israelis don't agree that it's not decent, don't they have any common sense not to rile up the NK's and the Satmrs who give them bad PR in addition to the Arabs doing that? They shouldn't have ruffled the NK's and Satmers feathers to begin with.
While I don't agree with their shitta, nor their idea of protesting for the sake of the world's opinion, which only arouses more anti-Semitism than there is, the Israelis are still acting very foolish. They should stop the digging up of ancient graves now.

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 May 31, 2010 at 11:23 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #2  
Anonymous Says:

What a Kidish Hashem!!

WRONG! It is a chillul Hashem of the highest order. We should be a unified people, especially in light of the event of the Turkish/Palestnian/Hamas flotila. We are all one people, and in the grand schema of things, shouldn't we be concentrating on the living, not the dead, particularly since the bones are those of pagans?

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 May 31, 2010 at 11:24 PM Anonymous Says:

If the Israelis are our brothers how come they could do this to our own grandfathers bodies when any other country DO respect old Jewish graves??

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 May 31, 2010 at 11:41 PM Wow! Says:

The amount of Satmars commenting here...I'm sure Rabeiny would really approve of your internet use.

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 May 31, 2010 at 11:43 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
Anonymous Says:

Today is not a day for any Jew to protest against Israel. The world is busy condeming us they will not understand why we are protesting. I am proud to be orthdox and not crazy like the satmar's

Who is us I'm not responsible for the state of isreal! The definition of isreal is not jewish. Jewish means keeping the jewish laws why does everyone associate isreal with jews? When will they get it into there thick skulls that not all jews agree with the isreali mentality!

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 May 31, 2010 at 11:46 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #27  
Anonymous Says:

the world today is attacking israel yes us jews.. they dont ask if your satmer or bobov they are attacking jews not israelis. shame on you at of all the days to do this today

Shame on the isrealis for throwing our ancestors bones around today yesterday 15 yrs ago tomm for the isrealis its never a good time they're always getting in trouble because the do whatever they want

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 May 31, 2010 at 11:47 PM yoli Says:

how can we participate with the crowd above when they protest they are acting ch:y (lehavidil )like the Muslim world never condemning when parts of them do idiotic thing how can we forget what they demonstrated against the rebbe of luabauvitch,belz etc etc.. paskivilm (refacing pictures of the gedolia hatorah) look how they acted among their own so called two chasidus remember simchas torah in wily how can we forget when rav sheitman came to boro park @the 18 ave park the demonstration across the street horrible no condemning what so ever
btw one of the only peaceful demonstration that prevailed in the last couple of years in e"y was the 600,00 against the supreme court not one arrest took place

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 May 31, 2010 at 11:50 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #26  
Anonymous Says:

The satmar are jeopardizing the security of EY by this demonstration. We should worry about the security of the living and not be organizing phony protests about moving bones that were ruled by the experts and gadolim in isreael to be pagan bones and not those of yidden. The political stunt will only reinforce the hatred of the goyim against israel and jews.

If I were u I would stick with satmar the rebbe Z'ch built up a beautiful kehillah who does so much chesed its undescribable.

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 12:05 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #32  
Anonymous Says:

What kind of brother and sister digs up they're own familys graves? no I don't feel bad for them why should I do they feel bad for the charaidim they beat up so they can continue they're disgusting work of massacuring graves.this week I saw a pic of a skull rolling around nexto. An archiologist in ashkelon. That head could be ur grandfather BRO!!

These were goiyeshe bones and repeating your stupid comment over and over again will not make them true. These were pagan bones so if that skull was your tatta or shver, you are on the wrong website. Please go to www.pagans.com.

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 12:07 AM Anonymous Says:

The pro- arab., antisemitic world media is probably already spinning this demonstration into saying that they are protesting the boarding of the Turkish Boats. What a stupid thing to do on a day like today! They are only further endangering the lives of yidden in Eretz Ysrael.

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 12:09 AM dAVid Says:

satmar

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 12:10 AM Secular Says:

Reply to #13  
Anonymous Says:

And I'm proud not to be part of the isreali state who does whatever the flick they want. thye kill the living the and the dead its a no wonder moshiac Is not here yet? the isrealis r an ammbarresment to judiasim they have no respect for the dead or the living they r messing with G-D who's whole point of the world is life after death if u daven u prob recite the brocha "baruch atu hashem m'chai maisim" how is hashem going to restore the dead if they're bones r being thrown around, there is a reason why we bury the dead. With every part of they're body. Including blood even if it needs to be scraped of cement etc.so when moshiac comes there will be "tchias hamaisim" I'm satmar and proud because a smart person would not have the chutzpah to wage a war against hashem only someone stupid!

How is Hashem going to restore those who were burned by the Nazis??

Do you think Hashem needs bones to bring people back to life, and thats not the reason why we bury our Dead. It sounds like you're jewish education does not exceed that of a fourth grader (neither does your english by the way...)

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 12:14 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #37  
Anonymous Says:

The real winner from today's events (both off the coast of israel and the NYC demonstrtion) is Iran. The Satmer demonstration against Israel, a few blocks from the U.N. will undercut the efforts made over a period of months to get sanctions against Iran for its nuclear program. They have shifted world attention away from Iran and will now view Israel as the real threat in the mid-east.

I'm sorry to be the one to say this but they r a threat, they don't let the dead rest or those that live to live. when they carry out acts like the one they did today they r signing a death sentence for all the jews from around the world! I wish the world would understand that the state of isreal doesn't represent all jews!

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 12:17 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #34  
Anonymous Says:

the secular world does not differentiate between Jews and Israelis.... to them a Jew is automatically connected to the state of Israel.

Well I think todays demonstration proved that there is a diffrenciation and we do not agree with the state of isreal so we came out to protest

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 12:22 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #39  
don't worry for hashem Says:

even that I agree with u I still want to explain u hashem has no problem to mechaye maissim what so ever so don't worry for him and please don't ask a question how will hashem ????

Please! how will he means something drastic is abt to occur to put an end to isreals massacre.of the dead its not my business of how when and where I leave that up to hashem I'm just worried abt all the innocent good jews who will suffer for the bad ones.

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 12:24 AM Anonymous Says:

reading all the previous comments with some stating the importance of the demonstration and some disagreeing. I must add had it not been so important Rabbi loeb would not have signed off on it.

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 12:25 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #10  
Anonymous Says:

The bones are non jews, so why are they protesting?

We lobby intensely European & other foreign governments where there are Jewish cemeteries, that they should preserve them and not tamper with the gravesites. If your logic is that we only respect Jewish gravesites, then what is to stop them from protecting only their own non-Jewish cemeteries?

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 12:32 AM Satan Laughs Says:

The non-Jewish world sees Jews protesting their brothers while their brothers are in the shadow of an Iranian nuclear Holocaust, Hizbullah rockets, and a unitarelly hostile world media. The goyim laugh in their hearts because they love to see Jews hating each other. It legitimizes their hatred. Satan is laughing. Mashiach is weeping.

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 12:37 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #42  
Anonymous Says:

That is a relief. I thought Moshiach hadn't come yet because of my own faults and sins and those of other religious Jews, including Satmar. Good to know its just all Israel's fault.

Hey ifu were the govt of a city and someone burnt down ur house and u had no were to go and then around ur house they build a city and totally ignore the fact that u have no where to live,and even worse they prty. And build hotels business etc what would u do to get there attention? Would u sit by idly ? I don't think so. The house of G-D is gone the shchina is in exile and isreal decided to make a state and dance all over the ruins of the holy temple .wow talk abt chutZpah!and by the way moshiac is not here because its not time yet the state of isreal being born that's a whole different story.

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 12:37 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
non satmar Says:

Why is it only satmar that's protest, that's not only a zionist issue!!!
This is about standing up for our sages!!
Where is the rest of the orthodox world jury?
Thanks to you satmar's!!
Atleats someone does something!

They became strong Anti Zionists to deflect criticism that they were cowards in the Holocaust. A Zionist saved their Rebbe and he did not return the favor.

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 12:49 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #46  
Wow! Says:

The amount of Satmars commenting here...I'm sure Rabeiny would really approve of your internet use.

I'm not satmar I'm glad there. Is a satmar they know the real meaning of a fellow jew we can all learn from them. They will go out of they're way to do chesed in a way no one else will , they know no limits of helping another jew in a crisis. U know HATZOLAH it began in willi town by satmar who couldn't watch someone suffer in pain now the org is worldwide and wether ur charaide ultra orthodox modern secular etc no one dials 911 they dial hatzolah the same rebbe who said no isreali state also gave his bracha and said to call it hatzolah!

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 01:08 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #30  
Pashuteh Yid Says:

The nonsense about the State of Israel somehow contradicting the hope for the ultimate geula is just that--nonsense. Does getting up and going to work contradict the idea that the RBSH provides parnasa? Does going to a doctor contradict the idea that the RBSH is the Rofei Cholim?

The Medina is the greatest thing that ever happened to the Jews since the Churban. The Satmar are just frustrated that their shita has been shown to be nonsense, so they make noise every so often. Meanwhile the Medina flourishes in ruchnius and gashmius. There are more yeshivas and shuls than ever before, and we have access to all the mekomos hakedoshim. The economy is one of the strongest in the world, and medicine and science are studied at the highest levels with constant innovation and advanced research. The RBSH makes open miracles through the IDF which will go to the ends of the earth to help a Jew anywhere, as in Entebbe.

Since these facts stare the Satmar in the face and disprove their nonsense, and they know this deep down, they feel the need to stir up trouble to avoid facing the fact that their ideology is bogus.

The RBSH loves the Medina, and most of all the cherished chayalim mosrei nefesh.

#30 what planet are you on? Your love for the medina totaly blinds you

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 01:10 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #52  
Anonymous Says:

These were goiyeshe bones and repeating your stupid comment over and over again will not make them true. These were pagan bones so if that skull was your tatta or shver, you are on the wrong website. Please go to www.pagans.com.

The ones in yafo were pagons ? But in ashkelon those r jewish remains nebach on u! And even in yafo the top graves were pagons and the.isrealis knew that but they also knew that they will.eventually dig deeper and those remains may also be jewish remains they just wanted to keep us quite they're digging such a large land span and I'm a historia teacher don't teach me the history of isreal

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 01:11 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #30  
Pashuteh Yid Says:

The nonsense about the State of Israel somehow contradicting the hope for the ultimate geula is just that--nonsense. Does getting up and going to work contradict the idea that the RBSH provides parnasa? Does going to a doctor contradict the idea that the RBSH is the Rofei Cholim?

The Medina is the greatest thing that ever happened to the Jews since the Churban. The Satmar are just frustrated that their shita has been shown to be nonsense, so they make noise every so often. Meanwhile the Medina flourishes in ruchnius and gashmius. There are more yeshivas and shuls than ever before, and we have access to all the mekomos hakedoshim. The economy is one of the strongest in the world, and medicine and science are studied at the highest levels with constant innovation and advanced research. The RBSH makes open miracles through the IDF which will go to the ends of the earth to help a Jew anywhere, as in Entebbe.

Since these facts stare the Satmar in the face and disprove their nonsense, and they know this deep down, they feel the need to stir up trouble to avoid facing the fact that their ideology is bogus.

The RBSH loves the Medina, and most of all the cherished chayalim mosrei nefesh.

So tell me how come the greatest state on planet earth since since, they never in their sixty years of existence had a day that their leadership could sit back and exhale and not worry for their mere existence?
We all know why! But you can't admit it. That a state that its very existence is against Hkb"h. It has no chance to succeed!
Good for us that Hkb"h loves his people so much unconditional that he doesn't let all the seventy wolves eradicate his people off the face of the earth

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 01:25 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #55  
Secular Says:

How is Hashem going to restore those who were burned by the Nazis??

Do you think Hashem needs bones to bring people back to life, and thats not the reason why we bury our Dead. It sounds like you're jewish education does not exceed that of a fourth grader (neither does your english by the way...)

Burying the dead is not an education its a halochah u don't learn it in school.the nazis were not our brothers and those that died were burned and not buried and I'm sure G-D has a cheshbon for that. But those that were buried in piece and layed to rest accordingly have no reason to be dug up by our own people because the dead r in the way of they're hotel plans. For that there will be din v'cheshban. As opposed to the nazis who have no gahenim. Just a reminders it does state that when moshiach comes hashem will gather his ppls ashes or bones and redeem is kovid.The nazis we couldn't tell what to do it was a decree from above.this not a decree and the ppl digging r not nazis they're jews and know exactly what they're doing, but they choose to ignore what's right.

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 02:38 AM Miss Williamsburg Says:

Israel digging up graves is so outrageous. No respect whatsoever for anything Jewish when it calls itself a "Jewish" state. Because digging graves goes everything against the Jewish take on those buried.
The bones in Ashkelon are said to be that of Jews if that's what people are arguing about. Perhaps great rabbis, at that.
I didn't take a stand whether the protest was right or wrong. On one hand I understand Satmar, on the other hand I don't know if I agree with staging a protest in mid-Manhattan.
But I'm just flabbergasted at how the Israeli government has no issue digging up graves.

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 02:43 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
non satmar Says:

Why is it only satmar that's protest, that's not only a zionist issue!!!
This is about standing up for our sages!!
Where is the rest of the orthodox world jury?
Thanks to you satmar's!!
Atleats someone does something!

When Shloime Hamelech (King Solomon) wisely advised the 2 women in dispute --- to verify who is the true mother of the baby, the King suggested to cut the baby in half, and divide it among them. It was then that only the true mother cried "please do not cut it, rather let the other woman have it all alive".

Likewise it seems, that those who feel more closely related to the Holy Sages and Holy ancestors buried in the Holy cemeteries, and therefore feel the hurting more personally, may feel more urge to protest the grave desecrations.

Those who do not protest should ask themselves how they would feel if Chas VeSholom their own grandparents or personal ancestors would be thrown out of their graves !? Would they still be as tolerant and "diplomatic" then ??? !!!

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 04:45 AM Anonymous Says:

This is truly awful. Anti-Semites the world over condemning and shouting down Israel over the so-called "flotilla" and Chasidishe Jews protesting digging of goyishe graves. What a sad day. Moshiach must come soon .

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 06:12 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #14  
Anonymous Says:

They do, only the secular media likes to report it otherwise and doofuses like you believe them.

You're a doofes for thinking so, you probably never attended any hafgana!

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 06:12 AM israeli charedy Says:

satmers! stay in u.s.a. "ארץ אשר תמיד עיני ה' אלוקיך בה"

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 06:31 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #62  
Anonymous Says:

Hey ifu were the govt of a city and someone burnt down ur house and u had no were to go and then around ur house they build a city and totally ignore the fact that u have no where to live,and even worse they prty. And build hotels business etc what would u do to get there attention? Would u sit by idly ? I don't think so. The house of G-D is gone the shchina is in exile and isreal decided to make a state and dance all over the ruins of the holy temple .wow talk abt chutZpah!and by the way moshiac is not here because its not time yet the state of isreal being born that's a whole different story.

How does this response make any sense? Someone said Moshiach wasn't here because of the state of Israel. That's a nice way to side step our own (including Satmar's) many faults.

Why are there so many Satmars posting on the internet anyway?

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 06:37 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #70  
Anonymous Says:

So tell me how come the greatest state on planet earth since since, they never in their sixty years of existence had a day that their leadership could sit back and exhale and not worry for their mere existence?
We all know why! But you can't admit it. That a state that its very existence is against Hkb"h. It has no chance to succeed!
Good for us that Hkb"h loves his people so much unconditional that he doesn't let all the seventy wolves eradicate his people off the face of the earth

Are you serious? Jews have been hated since, well, forever. Does that mean Hashem has turned his back on his people. According to your logic it apparently does.

People won't remember/care about a bunch of UN foot stomping in 3 months, so if Hashem hates the "medine" so much, why does it continue to thrive and prosper? Does anyone ask these questions in your velt?

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 07:06 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #72  
Miss Williamsburg Says:

Israel digging up graves is so outrageous. No respect whatsoever for anything Jewish when it calls itself a "Jewish" state. Because digging graves goes everything against the Jewish take on those buried.
The bones in Ashkelon are said to be that of Jews if that's what people are arguing about. Perhaps great rabbis, at that.
I didn't take a stand whether the protest was right or wrong. On one hand I understand Satmar, on the other hand I don't know if I agree with staging a protest in mid-Manhattan.
But I'm just flabbergasted at how the Israeli government has no issue digging up graves.

According to Maran Chacham Ovadia Yosef, there was no problem moving the graves for the emergency room.

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 07:19 AM Anonymous Says:

let the stupid people who are protesting move to some terrorist country and side with them as they are doing here.
they wont last a week.
if they think that because they dont belive in israel they would be spared they are insane. a jew is a jew and would be slaughtered jsut like those who were killed in nazi germany. the terrorists and nazis dont care if u are for israel or against israel.
they should be ashamed of themselves.
i ahte to say it but jews should take a lesson from latinos. they stick together. u wont see any of them protesting anything at the puerto rican day parade. they all stand united for all to see.
sure they may have issues between themselves but they would NEVER come out and publicly protest against each other.

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 07:27 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #50  
Anonymous Says:

If I were u I would stick with satmar the rebbe Z'ch built up a beautiful kehillah who does so much chesed its undescribable.

Enough with the nonsense! start doing Chesed/Shalom with your own brother & stop causing Chilul Hashem on a daily basis, I doubt many who were at that protest really give a damm about those graves, you aint folling me.

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 07:34 AM Anonymous Says:

Why the huge american flag? Its not an american issue...

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 07:38 AM Wiseman Says:

Reply to #15  
Anonymous Says:

The world is not condeming us its condeming the state of isreal which by the way I'm proud not to be a part of.because till the messiah comes we r all in exile or better put HOMELESS

According to the "world" there is no difference between Eretz Yisroel, State of Israel or Jews. So whether you like it or not whatever happens to Israel effects ALL JEWS!

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 07:41 AM chayem Says:

This protest was a huge kidish hashem.
#1 it was peaceful
#2 it was made clear to the media that this protest is being done for one reason only because of the graves being desecrated in israel.
There were thousands of frum people there.
#3 it showed to the world that everything the satmar ruv reb yoel z"l stood for is alive and well.
And to all of you who are busy if it was the right day to protest or not Israel was not at war as of yesterday with anyone.
And let them deal with there own chilul hashem that they made.

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 07:43 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #36  
Anonymous Says:

the last time I checked the word jew meant a torah abiding by the rules of G-D given to us jews by G-D And not ISREAL isreal was taken from the times of the pharro when jews were called isrealites so they named they're state which shouldn't even be a state because the shcina is in exile. Jews live all over does the word brazil mean jews NO

First of all learn how to spell. Whether you like it or not JEW and ISRAEL same in the eyes of the world. And do you know why? Because in spite of the fact that the current Government of Israel refuses to recognize this - the world does - IT"S OUR LAND!!!! Given to us be G-d! Not by your buddy Obama!

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 07:43 AM Anonymous Says:

At least if they were protesting Israels actions on the gaza boat it would make sense to other people.
Imagine what a goy thinks as he passes by the thousands of chasidim protesting.
goy: Are you protesting the israel raid on the gaza ship?
chasid: Now we are protesting israel removing pagan bones in order to make way for a desperately needed hospital!

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 07:44 AM Anonymous Says:

There is place for righteous indignation over the Israeli (not zionist as true zionism is dead) removing of bones. Many experts have documented that these bones are pagan and have shown pictures of a pagan alter buried there. Whether the torah world chooses to believe this or not it is irrelevant. Righteous indignation is fine, violence and mass demonstrations on a day like today is not. What does a goy know about jews? Does a goy know that some jews are not pro zionist and that a small section is anti zionist or that a tiny NK community is rabidly and insanely anti zionist? No a goy sees all jews born of a jewish mother (that is the definition of a jew, not if he keeps the torah as he should) belongs to Israel. See how Rabashkin was not allowed out of bail because he might flee to Israel. The fact remains that the new form of anti semitism is anti Israel. It is just as irrational, just as wide spread and just as dangerous. We as yidden have to stick together with our not yet frum brothers and hope that achdus will show them the way to torah and this achdus will bring Moshiach. The state is not going away so almost all gedolim except one or too have come to deal with this reality.

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 07:47 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #36  
Anonymous Says:

the last time I checked the word jew meant a torah abiding by the rules of G-D given to us jews by G-D And not ISREAL isreal was taken from the times of the pharro when jews were called isrealites so they named they're state which shouldn't even be a state because the shcina is in exile. Jews live all over does the word brazil mean jews NO

Actually, a Jew is anyone whose mother is Jewish, regardless of their level (or lack thereof) of religiosity

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 08:35 AM Lev Says:

King solomon said, there is a time to smile, and there is a time to cry. I am not a satmar chasid BUT WHEN IT COMES TO DIGGING UP GRAVES OF OUR ANCESTORS I AM A SATMaR CHASSID.

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 08:54 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #22  
Charlie Hall Says:

If you think Hamas's war is against the Jewish state and not against Jews you are a fool.

If u think israels war is only against hamas and not against hashem you are mistaking .they started a war against hashem when they created the medina and did not shame themselves when they went up against hashem .

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 08:57 AM Shulchan Aruch Yid Says:

Pagan graves. The Manhattan demonstration plainly should be called "Satmars for Pagans."
Let's see all of the Satmars move to Israel (oops, Eretz Yisroel), live there, work there, pay taxes there, and help protect it (at the very least Meah Shearim).
If the Satmars and their legitimate child Neutrei Karta can not restrain themselves from protesting, let them protest the Armenian Holocaust by the Turks. Let's see Satmar organize a flotilla to Turkey to protest the Armenian Holocaust (which led to the Jewish Holocaust). Let's see how the Turks will honor the selflessness and piety of the holy Satmars.
Finally, who is protecting all of the Chasidim in Israel? Who provides them with water, electricity, sanitation, hospitals, and fire protection?
It seems that the real Ahavas Yisroel is being provided by the State of Israel.

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 09:02 AM Mentch Says:

For those of you who are speaking against the Satmar, kindly note that this demonstration was planned well in advance of the Gaza boat incident. Secondly, it was much safer for the demonstration to be held on Memorial Day, since there was much less vehicular and pedestrian traffic in the area where the demonstration was held. Third, it appears that the Satmar have greater civil liberties here in America than in EY. Unfortunately, in EY the Israeli police have been very brutal in past demonstrations involving ultra Orthodox. I've seen tapes of Israeli police roughing up ultra Orthodox demonstrators, on more than one occasion. Here, for the most part, the NYCPD respects the rights of the ultra Orthodox protestors, as long as the demonstrations are peaceful. Fourth, the Satmar have a valid point, pertaining to desecration of ancient cemeteries by the authorities in EY. This is not the first time that a large demonstration was held in front of the Israeli Consulate in NYC. In June, 1969, there was a large demonstration protesting forced autopsies in EY. The Israeli authorities at that time (and I'm sure this time) were fuming; to that, I say too bad!

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 09:09 AM shani109@aol.com Says:

I remember when I was a child the late satmar rebba told his chassidim to go and demnostrate when Golda Meir was in town. However when he was told that the arabs where demonstrating as well he told his chassidim to come back. He told the buses to turn around not to align themselves together with the arabs. Now when everyone is demonstrating against the raid in Gaza this was highly inapropiate to demonstrate Israel needs all our support. We have enough enemies we dont need self hating ones too.

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 09:55 AM what about Gaza kevarim Says:

Where where these people when the Gaza Jewish graves were dug up during the disengagement??
Did they feel the pain of the families who had to have the kevarim dug up?
Protests? demonstrations?
Oh wait those kevarim were from another group not ours..............
This protest is all ideology people it has nothing to do with kedusha.

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 09:55 AM Tanna Kamma Says:

Poor timing.

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 09:58 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #70  
Anonymous Says:

So tell me how come the greatest state on planet earth since since, they never in their sixty years of existence had a day that their leadership could sit back and exhale and not worry for their mere existence?
We all know why! But you can't admit it. That a state that its very existence is against Hkb"h. It has no chance to succeed!
Good for us that Hkb"h loves his people so much unconditional that he doesn't let all the seventy wolves eradicate his people off the face of the earth

loser,
it has existed and succeeded to live and prosper (except for the garbage burning lunatics in mea sheurim) for over 60 years.

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 10:07 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #93  
shani109@aol.com Says:

I remember when I was a child the late satmar rebba told his chassidim to go and demnostrate when Golda Meir was in town. However when he was told that the arabs where demonstrating as well he told his chassidim to come back. He told the buses to turn around not to align themselves together with the arabs. Now when everyone is demonstrating against the raid in Gaza this was highly inapropiate to demonstrate Israel needs all our support. We have enough enemies we dont need self hating ones too.

the answer to your question is a simple one,the old satmarrer rebbe z'l,who was a holly zadik and his fight against Medinas Yisroel was 100 % lsheim shomayim,therefore he was very carefull that no CHILLUL HASHEM comes out of his demonstrations,but these criminaly insane ignorant savages who have taken over,their fight against Israel has nothing to do with TORAH or YIDISHKEIT,but has everything to do with pure unadulterated vicious hatred
against all jews not belonging to their club,actually they not only hate the rest of the jewish world,but hate each other,just look at their gang leaders the two brothers,who have been fighting in court for the last 12 years

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 10:09 AM Mentch Says:

To: #'s 17, 62,67, 80, & 90-I don't know if you are the same person or several persons; I wanted to point out that the correct spelling of the word "you" (which we all learned in the 1st or 2nd grade) is "you". It is not "u". Secondly, to #82, I'm proud that the Satmar had not one, but a number of American flags displayed; it was entirely appropriate, as yesterday was Memorial Day. Since the Satmar are American citizens, they had every right to display the American flag. Are you annoyed that the Israeli flag was not displayed? Last, I'm sure that anyone who walked by the demonstration, would have felt proud of being an American, since we are allowed these liberties to peacefully assemble and protest, without being beaten and dispersed by the authorities.

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 10:47 AM Anonymous Says:

Shalom overrides everything, and the Satmer have not used any of it. It seems that if you arent frum according to Satmar you arent loved by Hashem...Yachid Verabim Halacha Kerabim...there were many other Gedolei Hador who were also just as great as the Satmar Rebbe who held otherwise and ultimately the Halacha is like them that now that we have E'Y we cant give it away. The Satmar Rebbe's shita has to be respected but not when it comes to acting like a Rodef and helping the enemy, that is what the world sees whether Satmar sees it or not. They are creating a rift in Yiddishkeit and amongst themselves. Stick to Bikur Cholim etc.

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 11:00 AM What a disgrace Says:

At a time when the entire world is rising up against our Jewish brothers in Israel these am haaratzim go to protest against Hashem's chosen people over pagan graves.

Anyone who says the world is protesting against the Zionists and not the Jews is a fool. We are living in a post Zionist world, the only ones who even talk of Zionism are the Satmar and lehavdil the Neturey Karta Y''SH. The world knows if they say Zionism they are allowed to condemn us but you don't have to trust me you can trust chazal when they say that Eisav Sonei Es yaakov. When they criticize Zionism they mean Jews - all Jews - every kind of Jew.

In any event why would we expect any kind of achdus in a time like this from Satmar. No need to look any further than the feud between the two brothers. Is that the kind of Kiddush hashem we need instead?!

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 11:48 AM Reb Yid Says:

It doesn't matter that the bones are from goyim. Once there's a chasash of them being from yidden, the kanoim won't re-evaluate the situation. Then then contintue to hoch the gedoilim a charnik until they have no choice but to issue a kol koireh.

Also, what's with the headline above--"Israel" is in quotes...like there's no such thing as Israel? I guess it's because these particular "chasidim" don't recognize "Israel."

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 11:52 AM Anonymous Says:

# 98, i am #80 and only # 80.
so glad ''U'' were able to give me a speeling lesson here.
i do know how to spell the entire word ''you'' .
again thank ''u'' very much .
c u l8tr

ne1 else want to correct my spelling?

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 11:56 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #6  
Anonymous Says:

ס'איז א גרויסע קידוש השם צו זעהן ווי יודען קומען זיך צוזאם און שרייען אויס דאס וויי געשריי, וואס די ציונים טוהן אפ און ארצינו הקדושה, מ'פירט זיך אויף צו שוכני עפר, ערגער ווי מ'פירט זיך אויף צו טויטע הונט, דאס האט גארנישט צוטוהן צו די ביסט א סאמערער צו א בעלזער, ווען מ'קוקט זיך צו, וואס זיי טוהן דארט, ס'איז ממש א הימל געשריי.. און צו ענק יודען וואס האלטן אז דאס איז א חלל השם, לאז מיך דיר פרעגען איין פראגע, וואו אזוי וואלט דיר געשמעקט ווען מ'ווארפט זיך ארום מיט דיין טאטענ'ס איברים? דעמאלס וואלסטו שוין פארשטאנען אז מ'דארף פראטעסטירן, סא לייג דיך אריין אביסל טיפער אונעם ענין

Your really crazy thing about it if you will live there and thay bring in all of dose things what you will say then

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 12:13 PM Israeli Says:

Reply to #36  
Anonymous Says:

the last time I checked the word jew meant a torah abiding by the rules of G-D given to us jews by G-D And not ISREAL isreal was taken from the times of the pharro when jews were called isrealites so they named they're state which shouldn't even be a state because the shcina is in exile. Jews live all over does the word brazil mean jews NO

The word jew is a derivation of Yahudi. The "J" is only so pronounced by the English speaking world. In most dialects the "J" is pronounced as we do "Y".

About the Satmar graves demo. We all know that nothing Satmar say or do in America can possibly affect any decision or action by secular Israel. And to be honest, except for a few Eidaniks, any of the chareidim in Israel.
Therefore this Satmar NY demo is not a kinnus l'shem shomayim, just a publicity stunt.
It just harms Israel without achieving anything for torah, yidden or come to that the graves

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 12:16 PM Anonymous Says:

to all of you critcizing satmar for protesting how come frum zionist settlers have the right to protest against the israeli government and fight with the israeli police and troops . by the way how come the eida hacahridis and the satmar chasidim in israel don't protest against chilull shabbos whats going on in willaumsburg for the last seven years according to some satmar fanatics is that fair .

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 12:31 PM Anonymous Says:

does it really matter if its jewish graves or not how would u like for developer in new jeresy to clr the cemeteires to build a hospital there

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 12:32 PM Stamford Hilly Billy Says:

1. what would our ancestors and relatives who were being perscuted and mudered in der heim 100,200,300 years ago thought od these stupid protests?

2. talmud torah k'neged kulam

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 12:47 PM Anonymous Says:

The Satmar rely on the rest of Jewry to support their businesses and Yeshivas, they should remember that.

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 01:15 PM Pashuteh Yid Says:

Reply to #70  
Anonymous Says:

So tell me how come the greatest state on planet earth since since, they never in their sixty years of existence had a day that their leadership could sit back and exhale and not worry for their mere existence?
We all know why! But you can't admit it. That a state that its very existence is against Hkb"h. It has no chance to succeed!
Good for us that Hkb"h loves his people so much unconditional that he doesn't let all the seventy wolves eradicate his people off the face of the earth

If you want facts, the Jews have been far safer since the establishment of the Medinah than at any time before that in Galus. For the past 150 years since Zionists first started settling the land, the Israeli govt has been keeping records on all Jews killed by terrorists R"L, and all soldiers killed in wars R"L. The total number is less than 25,000 in 150 years.

Well, during the Holocaust we lost 6 million in about 5 years. During Chmielnicki and the Crusades and the Inquisitions we lost hundreds of thousands. Not to mention the constant pogroms and blood libels throughout history. So when did we have to worry more about our daily existence, before the Medinah or after?

The facts speak for themselves.

In addition, any normal Jew who gets off the plane and sees the signs Bruchim Habaim Leretz Yisrael and Bruchim Habaim Lyerushalayim feels his heart swell with joy and pride. The land is thriving and giving forth its fruit. We see kibutz golyos, Her children are returning. The gemara says Ein lcha ketz megula mizeh. May we continue to see the geula unfold in front of our eyes culminating with Binyan Beis Hamikdash Bimheira Biyameinu Amen.

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 01:23 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #102  
Anonymous Says:

# 98, i am #80 and only # 80.
so glad ''U'' were able to give me a speeling lesson here.
i do know how to spell the entire word ''you'' .
again thank ''u'' very much .
c u l8tr

ne1 else want to correct my spelling?

If you wish to text on you cell phone, then perhaps such juvenile spelling is acceptable; however, people appreciate seeing correct grammar used, at all times.

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 01:35 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #36  
Anonymous Says:

the last time I checked the word jew meant a torah abiding by the rules of G-D given to us jews by G-D And not ISREAL isreal was taken from the times of the pharro when jews were called isrealites so they named they're state which shouldn't even be a state because the shcina is in exile. Jews live all over does the word brazil mean jews NO

The last time you checked where? Obviously not in our Holy Gemoro, since you are obviously an Am Ho'Oretz. The Gemoro says, "Yisroel, Af Al Pi Shechoto, Yisroel Hu." For Am Ho'oratzim like yourself, it means that a Jew, even if he has sinned, is still a Jew.

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 01:49 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #47  
Anonymous Says:

Who is us I'm not responsible for the state of isreal! The definition of isreal is not jewish. Jewish means keeping the jewish laws why does everyone associate isreal with jews? When will they get it into there thick skulls that not all jews agree with the isreali mentality!

The Gemoro says that a Jew remains a Jew even if he sins. Where do you get your defintion of Jew? Not from any of our Seforim.
As to your question why the Goyim don't differentiate between Jews and Israel is the same reason that Hitler Y"m"sh did not differentiate. Halocho Beyodua She'eisav sonei es Yakov. It makes no difference whether he's frum or not frum
I don't know where you get these krumme ideas of who is a Jew. Certainly not from the Rebbe Z't"l. It is well known that when an Israeli was killed, he would cry. Sure, he had his Shitto, but a Jewish life was a Jewish life to him. How Satmar has strayed. I guess it;'s the Machlokes.

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 03:06 PM Anonymous Says:

All the chesed the Satmars do is cancelled out by their hatred for Eretz Yisrael

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 03:24 PM to the point Says:

the fact is that most like 99% rabbonim are not supporting the protests and they iven put up the name of harav malkiel kotler shlit''a when he dident give premishen to put up his name because he allso understands that's chillel hashem and if the israelis are bad thats not why satmercould be bad and you hould your self like charidim and they clearly dont hold them selfs as charidim so you have much a biger achries

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 03:54 PM haloooo Says:

i`m an am haaretz but didn`t the rambam say that the seder how the geulah will go on is not clear , that it isn`t necesary that the beis hamikdash will also be rebuilt in times of moshiach , that yes it is a mitzweh to live in eretz isruel just that it is forbidden to go there like a choma but alone you may, that there can be a jewish state before moshiach and he will after that come . in the gemarrah as i remember because i use to forgett a lot doesn`t it say that after moshiach comes lifes will continue as usual and the end of all zures as statet by the neviim is in olam habaa.

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 04:39 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #97  
Anonymous Says:

the answer to your question is a simple one,the old satmarrer rebbe z'l,who was a holly zadik and his fight against Medinas Yisroel was 100 % lsheim shomayim,therefore he was very carefull that no CHILLUL HASHEM comes out of his demonstrations,but these criminaly insane ignorant savages who have taken over,their fight against Israel has nothing to do with TORAH or YIDISHKEIT,but has everything to do with pure unadulterated vicious hatred
against all jews not belonging to their club,actually they not only hate the rest of the jewish world,but hate each other,just look at their gang leaders the two brothers,who have been fighting in court for the last 12 years

Talk about hatred, it surely sounds like you really have lots of it inside yourself.

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 04:45 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #104  
Israeli Says:

The word jew is a derivation of Yahudi. The "J" is only so pronounced by the English speaking world. In most dialects the "J" is pronounced as we do "Y".

About the Satmar graves demo. We all know that nothing Satmar say or do in America can possibly affect any decision or action by secular Israel. And to be honest, except for a few Eidaniks, any of the chareidim in Israel.
Therefore this Satmar NY demo is not a kinnus l'shem shomayim, just a publicity stunt.
It just harms Israel without achieving anything for torah, yidden or come to that the graves

You got it just right, you agree that the negative publicity harms Israel, and that is exactly what the idea of the protest is! The Israeli government needs to think twice about what they are doing, since Satmars in Manhattan could protest and that could harm them.

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 04:50 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #111  
Anonymous Says:

The last time you checked where? Obviously not in our Holy Gemoro, since you are obviously an Am Ho'Oretz. The Gemoro says, "Yisroel, Af Al Pi Shechoto, Yisroel Hu." For Am Ho'oratzim like yourself, it means that a Jew, even if he has sinned, is still a Jew.

I'm not sure what he meant, but the idea is that the correct way to be a jew is by abiding the torah, and somebody that willingly desecrates everything holy has no right to represent the jews.

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 04:51 PM Anonymous Says:

Since when is the Mishkenos Haroim Rebbe a kanuee? I remember him in boyan as a chusid constantly until his father was nifter (when he became rebbe), even afterward he came to all the Boyaner simchos.

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 04:56 PM outraged yid Says:

All normal Jews need to send a clear message to Satmar that this time they have gone beyond the pale: DO NOT patronize any Satmar businesses and DO NOT give tzedakah to any Satmar meshulach. Someone should publish a list of Satmar-owned businesses to this purpose. They have separated themselves from Klal Yisroel at he highest levels of the chasidus, and they are rotten from the head down. They have a 'din Mumar', and their communities should be treated like an 'ir hanidachas' - they should be cut off from klal Yisroel!

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 04:56 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #116  
Anonymous Says:

Talk about hatred, it surely sounds like you really have lots of it inside yourself.

We, men & women ,old & young , Orthodox& secular , holcaust survivors and klal yisroel : will NEVER FORGIVE you .

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 05:00 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #116  
Anonymous Says:

Talk about hatred, it surely sounds like you really have lots of it inside yourself.

The Barditshiver Rebbe z'l would have called you to a Beis Din .Perhaps he is doing just that in the Bet -Din shel Maalah .

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 05:05 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #116  
Anonymous Says:

Talk about hatred, it surely sounds like you really have lots of it inside yourself.

Don't feel so smug . There ,will be consequnces in the poor frum neighborhoods .It falls on your farshtopte-kep .

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 05:06 PM yid Says:

Reply to #97  
Anonymous Says:

the answer to your question is a simple one,the old satmarrer rebbe z'l,who was a holly zadik and his fight against Medinas Yisroel was 100 % lsheim shomayim,therefore he was very carefull that no CHILLUL HASHEM comes out of his demonstrations,but these criminaly insane ignorant savages who have taken over,their fight against Israel has nothing to do with TORAH or YIDISHKEIT,but has everything to do with pure unadulterated vicious hatred
against all jews not belonging to their club,actually they not only hate the rest of the jewish world,but hate each other,just look at their gang leaders the two brothers,who have been fighting in court for the last 12 years

hasbeshulem what you are saying is pure motzei shem ra about the greatest yiddishe kehille ! nothing of what you are saying is true and you should realy do tshuveh . jews don`t talk like this about their mishpuche!!

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 05:20 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #120  
outraged yid Says:

All normal Jews need to send a clear message to Satmar that this time they have gone beyond the pale: DO NOT patronize any Satmar businesses and DO NOT give tzedakah to any Satmar meshulach. Someone should publish a list of Satmar-owned businesses to this purpose. They have separated themselves from Klal Yisroel at he highest levels of the chasidus, and they are rotten from the head down. They have a 'din Mumar', and their communities should be treated like an 'ir hanidachas' - they should be cut off from klal Yisroel!

V'nomar Umein .

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 05:24 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #122  
Anonymous Says:

The Barditshiver Rebbe z'l would have called you to a Beis Din .Perhaps he is doing just that in the Bet -Din shel Maalah .

Al eileh ani bochiyu -------Ki guvar oyeiv .

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 05:30 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #122  
Anonymous Says:

The Barditshiver Rebbe z'l would have called you to a Beis Din .Perhaps he is doing just that in the Bet -Din shel Maalah .

Remember : Daah ,lifnei mi ataah usid litein din v'cheshbon .

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 05:40 PM Anonymous Says:

We have an obligation to speak out against desecrating the dead. We must each treat this as if this were our remains!!!

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 05:42 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #2  
Anonymous Says:

What a Kidish Hashem!!

Leave Hashem out of this . This is just a kiddish .

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 06:02 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #97  
Anonymous Says:

the answer to your question is a simple one,the old satmarrer rebbe z'l,who was a holly zadik and his fight against Medinas Yisroel was 100 % lsheim shomayim,therefore he was very carefull that no CHILLUL HASHEM comes out of his demonstrations,but these criminaly insane ignorant savages who have taken over,their fight against Israel has nothing to do with TORAH or YIDISHKEIT,but has everything to do with pure unadulterated vicious hatred
against all jews not belonging to their club,actually they not only hate the rest of the jewish world,but hate each other,just look at their gang leaders the two brothers,who have been fighting in court for the last 12 years

A brocho oif dein kopf.

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 06:13 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #97  
Anonymous Says:

the answer to your question is a simple one,the old satmarrer rebbe z'l,who was a holly zadik and his fight against Medinas Yisroel was 100 % lsheim shomayim,therefore he was very carefull that no CHILLUL HASHEM comes out of his demonstrations,but these criminaly insane ignorant savages who have taken over,their fight against Israel has nothing to do with TORAH or YIDISHKEIT,but has everything to do with pure unadulterated vicious hatred
against all jews not belonging to their club,actually they not only hate the rest of the jewish world,but hate each other,just look at their gang leaders the two brothers,who have been fighting in court for the last 12 years

The photo shows how uncomfortable these Rabbonim appear ,if not outright scared . i have a feeling that many of them are there unwillingly . They are just pawns in a power struggle among the power -hungry chassidim .Their motto ; either you are with us or else .Unfortunately, it is a no-win situation , for the sheep .

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 07:34 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #128  
Anonymous Says:

We have an obligation to speak out against desecrating the dead. We must each treat this as if this were our remains!!!

You were doing it today to get the maximum publicity . Unfortunately, today is also a day wrought with great s'kannah to the Jewish people . You don't trample on someone when he is down .You could've chosen a different venue to demonstrate your deep=seated hatred for EY ,and by default to Klal Yisroel. We are all areivim zeh l'zeh .You desecrate the living in order to ( save ) the dead .As for the living, decency is ,and should be our guiding light .

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 07:57 PM Anonymous Says:

I think that the live people are more important and, should start concentrating on their doings to the live nashamas.

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 08:11 PM Anonymous Says:

This is a sad day for the world as it seems if this situation has only inflamed people's resolve and it seems that resolve is negative against Jews. As a christian,I have my own views on the Israel state however, we as a nation need to address this in a way that does not inflame people even more. To address the wrongful actions of a country without attacking jews is an absolute must. This is an issue with Israel and obviously many jews do not support the established country. I think the sages were trying to separate themselves from jews they believe have strayed and made the religion into a political tool which is blasphemy in a way. The difference between conservatives and the rest in religion; the rest tend to stray and mold religion to their own agenda. While conservatives follow the book as it should be. Unchanged. In this case, I side with the Jewish conservatives.

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 08:17 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #120  
outraged yid Says:

All normal Jews need to send a clear message to Satmar that this time they have gone beyond the pale: DO NOT patronize any Satmar businesses and DO NOT give tzedakah to any Satmar meshulach. Someone should publish a list of Satmar-owned businesses to this purpose. They have separated themselves from Klal Yisroel at he highest levels of the chasidus, and they are rotten from the head down. They have a 'din Mumar', and their communities should be treated like an 'ir hanidachas' - they should be cut off from klal Yisroel!

Look at these great rabbi's : they seem like they are out of it .

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 08:52 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #134  
Anonymous Says:

This is a sad day for the world as it seems if this situation has only inflamed people's resolve and it seems that resolve is negative against Jews. As a christian,I have my own views on the Israel state however, we as a nation need to address this in a way that does not inflame people even more. To address the wrongful actions of a country without attacking jews is an absolute must. This is an issue with Israel and obviously many jews do not support the established country. I think the sages were trying to separate themselves from jews they believe have strayed and made the religion into a political tool which is blasphemy in a way. The difference between conservatives and the rest in religion; the rest tend to stray and mold religion to their own agenda. While conservatives follow the book as it should be. Unchanged. In this case, I side with the Jewish conservatives.

Sir, I don't believe you are who you claimto be . Fool me once etc...

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 08:55 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #135  
Anonymous Says:

Look at these great rabbi's : they seem like they are out of it .

The Rabbonim look like they are on trial for mass .......

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 08:57 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #135  
Anonymous Says:

Look at these great rabbi's : they seem like they are out of it .

Were these photos taken in a Courtroom ? They look like they just pleaded guilty on various counts .

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 09:46 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
Anonymous Says:

Today is not a day for any Jew to protest against Israel. The world is busy condeming us they will not understand why we are protesting. I am proud to be orthdox and not crazy like the satmar's

Satmar cancelled a protest today in DC because they didn't want to look like they were pro-Arab - the protest yesterday was before that news broke out

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 09:50 PM ZIONIST Says:

may hashem have mercy on these rebels to the jewish nation

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 Jun 01, 2010 at 11:57 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #97  
Anonymous Says:

the answer to your question is a simple one,the old satmarrer rebbe z'l,who was a holly zadik and his fight against Medinas Yisroel was 100 % lsheim shomayim,therefore he was very carefull that no CHILLUL HASHEM comes out of his demonstrations,but these criminaly insane ignorant savages who have taken over,their fight against Israel has nothing to do with TORAH or YIDISHKEIT,but has everything to do with pure unadulterated vicious hatred
against all jews not belonging to their club,actually they not only hate the rest of the jewish world,but hate each other,just look at their gang leaders the two brothers,who have been fighting in court for the last 12 years

"gang leaders fighting in court" is a bit of an oxymoron...

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 Jun 02, 2010 at 02:10 AM Syphonaptera Says:

Reply to #10  
Anonymous Says:

The bones are non jews, so why are they protesting?

So, you just proved here to be a complete bastard. If it is NIT jwish...why concern about it? What a vulgair display of arrogance , ignorance and stupidity. And you wonder why the world "hated/hates" jews........., are all israel supporters like you.? I bet they are.....

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 Jun 02, 2010 at 07:49 AM Anonymous Says:

Where were the hafganos five years when kevarimof vaadai yidden were desecrated, communities and shuls ( with kedushas beis kenesses, even though you might choose not to daven there) destroyed in Gush Katif?!!

What a bunch a hypocrits!

Where is Achdus Yisrael? Chazal considered Malchus Chasomanim to be a "malchus rasha"; Yet HKBH let it exist for quite a while.

Give this a chance-Show Ahavas Chinam.

And imagine: If all of KY and Willy, etc came and lived and voted in Eretz Yisrael,
what an impact that would have!
This week especially, be makpid not to talk lashon Hora against Eretz Yisrael-Parshas Shelach

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 Jun 02, 2010 at 10:29 AM bucky Says:

Reply to #30  
Pashuteh Yid Says:

The nonsense about the State of Israel somehow contradicting the hope for the ultimate geula is just that--nonsense. Does getting up and going to work contradict the idea that the RBSH provides parnasa? Does going to a doctor contradict the idea that the RBSH is the Rofei Cholim?

The Medina is the greatest thing that ever happened to the Jews since the Churban. The Satmar are just frustrated that their shita has been shown to be nonsense, so they make noise every so often. Meanwhile the Medina flourishes in ruchnius and gashmius. There are more yeshivas and shuls than ever before, and we have access to all the mekomos hakedoshim. The economy is one of the strongest in the world, and medicine and science are studied at the highest levels with constant innovation and advanced research. The RBSH makes open miracles through the IDF which will go to the ends of the earth to help a Jew anywhere, as in Entebbe.

Since these facts stare the Satmar in the face and disprove their nonsense, and they know this deep down, they feel the need to stir up trouble to avoid facing the fact that their ideology is bogus.

The RBSH loves the Medina, and most of all the cherished chayalim mosrei nefesh.

Now THAT is a response chevrei! You are no pashutah yid my brother, only your humility allows you to call yourself that. That was chochmah.

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 Jun 02, 2010 at 04:50 PM YMedad Says:

a) what is a Rabbinic Rabbi?
b) well, with the Stars & Stripes there, at least they do recognize one form of secular nationalism.

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 Jun 02, 2010 at 09:33 PM Anonymous Says:

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Anonymous Says:

These were goiyeshe bones and repeating your stupid comment over and over again will not make them true. These were pagan bones so if that skull was your tatta or shver, you are on the wrong website. Please go to www.pagans.com.

so are you a racist? we should respect all human beings

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 Jun 02, 2010 at 10:01 PM Anonymous Says:

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Anonymous Says:

since they don't think Israel should exist, why do they care what happens there.

what kind of question is that? what is happening in Israel should concern every jewish becaue what is happening there is being done in the name of Israel and Judaism. and what they say is that stop doing wrong in the name of Judaism!

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 Jun 03, 2010 at 09:33 AM Anonymous Says:

How convieniently they forget that the satmar rebbe fled Europe on a Zionist ticket provided by Zionists and left his flock behind

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 Jun 03, 2010 at 05:37 PM Anonymous Says:

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Anonymous Says:

what kind of question is that? what is happening in Israel should concern every jewish becaue what is happening there is being done in the name of Israel and Judaism. and what they say is that stop doing wrong in the name of Judaism!

[one of the issues that was very clearly at the protests that the state of israel has nothing to do with jews or with the torah.

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 Jun 03, 2010 at 06:02 PM Anonymous Says:

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Anonymous Says:

ס'איז א גרויסע קידוש השם צו זעהן ווי יודען קומען זיך צוזאם און שרייען אויס דאס וויי געשריי, וואס די ציונים טוהן אפ און ארצינו הקדושה, מ'פירט זיך אויף צו שוכני עפר, ערגער ווי מ'פירט זיך אויף צו טויטע הונט, דאס האט גארנישט צוטוהן צו די ביסט א סאמערער צו א בעלזער, ווען מ'קוקט זיך צו, וואס זיי טוהן דארט, ס'איז ממש א הימל געשריי.. און צו ענק יודען וואס האלטן אז דאס איז א חלל השם, לאז מיך דיר פרעגען איין פראגע, וואו אזוי וואלט דיר געשמעקט ווען מ'ווארפט זיך ארום מיט דיין טאטענ'ס איברים? דעמאלס וואלסטו שוין פארשטאנען אז מ'דארף פראטעסטירן, סא לייג דיך אריין אביסל טיפער אונעם ענין

I am a Jew and a Zionist. I love Eretz Israel and love those Jews that love Eretz Israel.

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 Jun 04, 2010 at 01:12 PM darenl Says:

I'm a christian evangelical and many of us are pro Erezt Yisrael. With antisemitism at it's highest peak today since WWII - now is NOT the time to be divided. All of the Jews must stand together. The Prophets clearly taught that (first) the Jews must be restored to the Land and then (second) spiritual revival will come from G-D.The prophet Ezekiel is very clear on this - 1 physical restoration and then 2 spiritual restoration. May G-D bless the Jew and Erezt Yisrael.

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 Jun 08, 2010 at 02:18 AM Anonymous Says:

If they are pagan bones, are they lesser than jews? If they are jewish is it worth the effort to remove them within Israel knowing the reactions will come from the flock? If so, then along with the unmitigated military/political disaster on the sea, the protests are valid from all sides internal and external of the faith. Timing is not the issue. Policy seems to be the issue. The risk of the actions on the sea, of dropping in on a ship full of international protesters trying to test if the state could turn the other cheek and finding it couldn't is a chance lost once again by a cuntry struggling to fit into a world where all eyes are open and seeing. Morality is a hard thing to corner and a state must recognize the coincedence of its actions can blister it from inside and out. Iran is having its awful exposures inside and out. Neda will live longer than the bastards at the helm there. The grind of hate is fueled by perception and amplified by any miss steps. Conservative protesters here seem liberal with respect! Our conservatives of the last administration went wild with excess. Nationaist Chuztpah is killing the best of legend, a disservice to the best of those whith in the fold.

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 Jun 15, 2010 at 11:42 PM alisa Says:

it is extremly important that people learn the difference between zionism and judaism for many people are still unaware, that's the only way we could get rid of these zionists criminals. This cancer needs to be eradicated if we want to leave in peace and harmony. Satmar Chazidim the world loves you, may you live in ever lasting happiness!

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 Jun 18, 2010 at 02:41 AM Yonasan Says:

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Anonymous Says:

since they don't think Israel should exist, why do they care what happens there.

No one says that Jews should not live in our holy land. However, a government whose "supreme court justice" can publicly applaud the statement that Torah observant Jews are lice is a problem. Every inch of Israel is holy and for exactly that reason these Jews protest - they protest over the obstruction of normal living and to the breach of human ethics. How can anyone object to such a noble act as this?

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