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Published on: December 15, 2006 09:09 AM
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New York - The anti-Zionist Satmar Chassidic court added its voice to boycott members of the extremist Neturei Karta Chassidic sect who participated in a two-day Holocaust denial conference in Teheren this week. 

The statement called on Jews "to keep away from them and condemn their actions," an order tantamount to placing the men in cherem (excommunication). 

The participation of the Neturei Karta members at the conference organized and led by Ahmadinejad was "an act of madness," said the Satmar statement.



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 Dec 17, 2006 at 10:37 AM Anonymous Says:

Central Rabinnical Congress has absolutely nothing with Neturei Karta.

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 Dec 17, 2006 at 08:35 AM Anonymous Says:

NK was ex-comunicated still after the 1967 war by the revered Satmar Rebbe Ztz"l (Rabbi Yoel) he said at that time that these people (NK) will make a churban one day, and his prophecy is coming thru....

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 Dec 17, 2006 at 12:38 AM rosh hakohol Says:

At least not this time

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 Dec 16, 2006 at 10:22 PM Anonymous Says:

Weiss does not live on Sadle River any more. He moved about 3 years ago.
I think Moshe Ber Beck still lives above the shul at 102 Saddle River, but he didn't go to Iran.

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 Dec 16, 2006 at 11:53 AM Aragorn Says:

This is not an issue about Zionism, though those with twisted minds would argue it is. This is about give aid and comfort and credibility to those who deny the murder of 6 million Jews and would murder more Jews. Neturei Karta, as it has done in the past, allows haters to say, "Even Jews Support us."

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 Dec 15, 2006 at 02:58 PM Mark Levin is The Great One Says:

why in heavens name are they waiting till Jan 7?!!

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 Dec 15, 2006 at 02:09 PM Anonymous Says:

arent the NK's, followers of the Vayoel Moshe.
now I am really confused.

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 Dec 15, 2006 at 01:59 PM Yiden Defense League Says:

PROTEST INFORNT OF MR, WIESS HOUSE IN MONSEY:

EXCOMMUNICATE THE TRAITORS - SUNDAY JANUARY 7 1 P.M. sharp NETUREI KARTA HEADQUARTERS
102 SADDLE RIVER ROAD MONSEY
protest will be loud-legal-lawful - We will have transportation from Brooklyn call 212-252-3383 for more info.


http://jdo.org/

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 Dec 15, 2006 at 01:32 PM Rosh Hakohol Says:

Monsey rabbi defends Holocaust conference participation
By SUZAN CLARKE AND STEVE LIEBERMAN
THE JOURNAL NEWS

(Original publication: December 15, 2006)
SPRING VALLEY - A rally has been scheduled for next week to show support for Holocaust survivors in emotional pain over Iran's Holocaust denial conference and the participation of a Monsey rabbi who belongs to an anti-Israel religious group.
It's the first of two planned locally in the next few weeks in reaction to the participation of Monsey Rabbi Yisroel Dovid Weiss in a conference for Holocaust deniers hosted by Iran this week. Though Weiss said the Holocaust is fact, his attendance at the conference has been fiercely denounced.
Weiss belongs to Neturei Karta, a group of Hasidic Jews who oppose the existence of Israel on religious grounds and who believe Jews should live under Arab Muslim rule until the Messiah comes.
The first rally will be at 6:30 p.m. Wednesday outside the Holocaust Museum and Study Center, 17 S. Madison Ave., Rabbi Michael Gisser, the museum's executive director, said yesterday.
"Really, this is something in support of the community, but more so of our survivors here," Gisser said. "When people deny the Holocaust, it's denying their memories, their testimonies, what they went through."
Speaking in a telephone interview from Tehran last night, Weiss defended his participation in the conference, saying he told conferees that the Holocaust was fact.
His presence at the conference was meant to seek a solution to the impasse, and to stop the Holocaust from being used as a tool to prevent conciliation, he said.
Saying he lost grandparents in the Holocaust, Weiss added: "My blood cooks at the hurt and the suffering of the Jewish people because it's my blood, and of course, we feel it. Whoever wants to say that they suffer any more than I do ... they have no right to say that.
"My blood is palpitating with fear to what will happen to the remnants of Jews because of the ongoing incitement of the Zionists and the intimidation ... of the Muslim people," he said.
In a personal meeting with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad yesterday, Weiss said he and the leader discussed how to reach a solution.
"We were told by God, we were taught by the Torah that we should approach our enemy, and I'm stating clearly: Iran is not our enemy," Weiss said. "President Ahmadinejad does not want the death and destruction of the Jews. He was very friendly."
The rally is being organized by the museum and the Rockland County Board of Rabbis, and is being supported by several Jewish groups. The idea for the event was sparked after a regular monthly meeting of Holocaust survivors and liberators at the Holocaust museum yesterday morning, Gisser said.
The participants, led by Gisser and Carol King-Berkman of Jewish Family Services, expressed pain and concern about the conference and Weiss' participation.
Among the attendees was Sonia Goldstein, an Airmont woman from Vilna, Poland, who spent four years in Nazi concentration camps during the Holocaust.
Goldstein was angry yesterday as she contemplated the Weiss' action.
"They should be punished. They should be isolated," she said of the Neturei Karta members, who attended the conference. "And they are religious people. They are animals. They are worse than animals."
Weiss said he understood people's outrage, but said his detractors felt the way they did because they had been "ensnared" by Zionist propaganda.
Rabbi Morris Zimbalist, spiritual leader of the Montebello Jewish Center and head of the Rockland County Board of Rabbis, said the goal of the event was to promote solidarity and "to ensure that their memories of the atrocities that they endured will never be denigrated by anyone, and that the memories of all of our fallen family and friends who perished in the Holocaust will never be forgotten."
The second rally is being organized by the Jewish Defense Organization, a strident pro-Jewish and Israel group that will rally Jan. 7 outside the home and headquarters of Neturei Karta leaders in Monsey at 102 Saddle River Road.
Mordechai Levy, head of the JDO, said Neturei Karta doesn't speak for the Jewish people. Levy, as well as other Jewish groups, condemned Neturei Karta members for attending the conference and for embracing Ahmadinejad, who calls the Holocaust a myth.
"These people are nuts," Levy said of Neturei Karta. "The Iranian leader knew this and used them. They hate Jews. We don't think they should be ignored."

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 Dec 15, 2006 at 01:21 PM Anonymous Says:

Saychel from Satmarers? Amazing

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 Dec 15, 2006 at 12:36 PM Anonymous Says:

somebody come out once and for all and tell:

Is CRC part of or in support of the NK?

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 Dec 15, 2006 at 12:25 PM Anonymous Says:

send them to auschwitz for the rest of their lives. stick thme in the ovens and throw away the key. don't waste a match lighting the oven. let them just sit or lay in their till they drop DEAD.

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 Dec 15, 2006 at 12:13 PM Anonymous Says:

Does anyone have a copy of the ad in Der Yid to post online?

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 Dec 15, 2006 at 11:34 AM Anonymous Says:

Simple solution, shave their beards and they will not look so Orthodox and can not represent us.

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 Dec 15, 2006 at 11:16 AM Rosh Hakohol Says:

Anybody defending or sympathizing with these vicious NK individuals should have their head examined

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 Dec 15, 2006 at 11:08 AM Anonymous Says:

anon 1051,
you head is clogged with shlit.
It is not zionists opposed to the NK yemoach shemo. It is regular frum yidden too.

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 Dec 15, 2006 at 11:06 AM Anonymous Says:

no boycott will be effective until those who know will come out and tell the rest of the frumer which retail establishments support the NK shit.

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 Dec 15, 2006 at 11:05 AM Anonymous Says:

Weiss Friedman and Kohen should be deballed and placed in the AUschwitz ovens (unlit)for the rest of their lives.

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 Dec 15, 2006 at 10:51 AM Anonymous Says:

Why are Zionists so hysterical? Zionists have ALL the media, ALL the arms, ALL the lobbies, ALL the money and ALL the rabbis, and they are worried about a small group opposing Zionism worldwide?! And their speakers did not even oppose the usual Holocaust theory at all!

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 Dec 15, 2006 at 10:28 AM Mark Levin is The Great One Says:

Nice to see they are being condemd (sic?) by satmar too!

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 Dec 15, 2006 at 10:25 AM Rosh Hakohol Says:

Unbelievable, Rabbi/Sheigetz Yisroel Feldman finished off his speech by saying "May G-d be with you". Afreh L'Pimeih.

SHAME ON YOU Yisroel Feldman & Co. SHAME! SHAME!

You will always be remembered to SHAME.

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 Dec 15, 2006 at 10:13 AM Anonymous Says:

THEY SHOULD ALL MOVE TO TEHRAN, A.COHEN AND HIS BAND OF BEHEIMAS!

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 Dec 15, 2006 at 10:05 AM Anonymous Says:

Talk by Rabbi Yisroel Feldman of Neturei Karta International delivered at the International Conference to review the Holocaust, December 11-12, in Tehran, Iran.

With praise to the Almighty may my words find favor in His eyes.

I want to begin with gratitude and great respect to the Iranian government in general and to the Honorable Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Khamenei and to His Excellency, President Mahmoud Ahmadinegad.

Much has and will be said at this conference concerning the debate of European Jewry during the Second World War. I am neither a scientist nor a professional historian and am not capable of responding to many of the questions discussed here.

What I propose to do though, is to speak about the morality of what happened to European Jewry and the morality of using their fate as an explanation for other political and cultural activities.

No matter how we may debate some of the details of what was done to the Jews of Europe there is no doubt that they were treated brutally and that this brutality included all men, women and children. The Jews were physically attacked and murdered. Their possessions and homes were taken. They were shipped across Europe like animals jammed into cattle cars with little or no food and water. Millions died. And many of these were defenseless women and children. These are facts. The worldwide Jewish community is by and large descendents of those who survived this horrible hell.

It would probably lend much credibility to those who wish to study the destruction of European Jewry if they would clearly condemn these actions committed during the holocaust. There is no moral justification for what was done.

However, there is also no moral justification for using these events to dispossess and occupy another people who have nothing whatsoever to do with what was done in Europe. Let Europe make amends for what took place if they so desire, not the Palestinians. Moreover, even Europe has long since spent enormous sums on helping those who suffered. It would seem that today the time has come to move beyond blaming whole peoples of the present, none of whom can be described as in any way complicit in things that occurred during the Second World War over half a century ago.

Plus, it is our belief that it is not the appropriate role for Jews when they live in exile amongst the nations to adopt any position of antagonism towards any other peoples or nations. We believe that Jews are called upon to lead by example by serving as a positive role model for all of mankind, not as dictators of public policy.

Zionism violated many tenets of the Jewish faith. It sought to deny the metaphysical reality of Jewish exile and the Divine command that we live at peace with other peoples. Its cruelty towards the Palestinian was and is notorious.

The founder of Zionism, Theodore Herzl, wrote in his diary that he felt the existence of anti-Semitism was a healthy thing because this would make Jews mistrust the other nations of the world and come running to the state he wanted to create for them. He saw fit to even cultivate this anti-Semitism and some of the Zionist leaders refused to participate in attempts to rescue European Jews from the horrors of the inferno of Europe because it suited their own purposes to do so.

The advent of Zionist ideology, even before the creation of the state, met with tremendous opposition from great Jewish leaders who saw in Zionism two major problems: One, that the Jewish people had been commanded not to try and leave exile by force, but rather to live peacefully as subservient loyal citizens wherever they would reside. And secondly, that we had similarly been forbidden from assuming ownership of the land. That these things have come to pass and that they have been achieved through the wide scale oppression of another nation is absolutely in dissonance with Jewish faith and law. The great Rabbis who witnessed the birth of Zionism predicted that this movement would bring terrible catastrophes upon the Holy Land and upon the world, and many refer to this development as the foremost reason for the holocaust itself. The Rabbis saw Zionism as a horribly rebellious phenomenon and felt that by embracing Zionism the Jewish people was invoking the Divine wrath, and in fact, in our time, it is clear that Zionism has created untold tragedy. Throughout the centuries Jew and Muslim lived side by side amicably, but those times predated the Zionist era. The situation is such that we need a miraculous salvation from what Zionism has wrought.

What is most important, though, is that when approaching the all-important topics of Zionism and the holocaust that we keep our balance and moral clarity. What was done to the Jews and to other European peoples, such as the Poles and Gypsies, was a great evil. If its parameters need to be explored, let them be freely explored, but all the while realizing that we are exploring the reality of an evil deed. This is the delicate clarity that is so needed when approaching this sensitive issue.

Similarly, when studying Zionism we need to always distinguish between Zionism and Judaism. Between those caught in its grasps and those actively committing acts of Zionist aggression; Between Torah True Jews and those who have strayed from our faith and traditions;

These are the distinctions that need go forth from this conference. They will lend its deliberations credibility and add to the ultimate goal of peace between peoples, the eradication of all cruelty, and the overall moral and Divine agenda of all mankind.

May G-d be with you.

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 Dec 15, 2006 at 10:02 AM Rosh Hakohol Says:

If you wish to leave your blessing for Yisroel Dovid Weiss, U'Mach Shemoi Vzichroi, here is his cell phone number, 914-262-8342.

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 Dec 15, 2006 at 09:52 AM Rosh Hakohol Says:

The blood of the 6 million Yiden should take revenge upon Yisroel Dovid Weiss and his entire group for their support of these anti Semites and holocaust deniers. They should not live to see the redemption of our nation. They should not be zocheh to see Pnei Moshiach Tzidkeinu, BB"A.

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 Dec 15, 2006 at 09:35 AM O.Gevald Says:

WOW. WOW. and WOW again.
Shocking!!! Absolutely amazing.
Unprcedented.

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 Dec 15, 2006 at 09:34 AM Anonymous Says:

True Torah Jews Comments on the "Holocaust Conference"

We at True Torah Jews have received emails and inquiries about our position on the “Holocaust Conference” December 2006.

We are amazed and shocked at this event to deny the Holocaust. A majority of our members are holocaust survivors themselves or children of holocaust survivors; victims which spent time in the Nazi death camps. We heard the stories; we still have camp identification numbers tattooed on the forearms by the Nazis. In most cases only one or two families from each city survived. We are convinced that the actual death toll far exceeds the published figure of six million.

The holocaust touched our families personally and we are offended by those organizations of the world that seek to minimize the horrific events and calculated genocide of the European Jews and others.

We support the statements issued by our White House and by the British P.M., Tony Blair.




Visit our web site at

Jews Against Zionism
www.jewsagainstzionism.com
True Torah Jews
183 Wilson St, PMB 162, Brooklyn, NY 11211

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 Dec 15, 2006 at 09:16 AM Anonymous Says:

Times Herald-RecordDecember 15, 2006
Few images from the gathering of Holocaust deniers in Tehran, Iran, this week were as bewildering as those of Iran's rabidly anti-Israeli president embracing men with broad-brimmed black hats and side curls.
Why on earth were Hasidic Jews hugging one of Israel's chief antagonists at a quasi-academic conference bent on belittling the murder of 6 million Jews?
The answer lies in the complicated relationship between some of the world's most intensely religious Jews and the Jewish nation you would expect them to embrace as fervently as their faith.
Some ultra-Orthodox Jews — particularly the Satmar Hasidim who populate Kiryas Joel — oppose the state of Israel because of their belief that Jews must live in exile until the Messiah comes and leads them to the promised land.
And yet Satmar members and other Hasidim live in and visit Israel despite their misgivings about the government. Anti-Zionist sentiment only takes on extreme forms with tiny fringe groups such as Neturei Karta, the Hasidic organization that sent delegates to the Iranian convention.
These are the activists who provide head-scratching news images by rallying beside Palestinians outside the Israeli consulate in New York City and burning the Israeli flag.
Among those photographed with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad this week was Yisroel Dovid Weiss, a Monsey rabbi who has led small rallies in Kiryas Joel at which the flag has been burned.
Also seen gripping the president's hand was Rabbi Moishe Arye Friedman, who lives in Austria but reportedly grew up in Kiryas Joel.
Their presence outraged Jews of all stripes, including Satmar leaders, who issued a statement of condemnation.
During the two-day conference, attended by the likes of former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke, one Neturei Karta member told the assembly his group didn't deny the Holocaust took place or dispute its magnitude.
"It would be a terrible affront to the memory of those who perished to belittle the guilt of the crime in any way," Rabbi Aharon Cohen said, according to a transcript of his speech posted on the group's Web site.
But he echoed his Iranian host on this point: "My friends and I wish to end with the prayer that the underlying cause of strife and bloodshed in the Middle East, namely, the state known as 'Israel,' be totally and peacefully dissolved."

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