Paris – Women Detained on First Day of French Burqa Ban

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    An unidentified veiled woman is taken away by plain clothed and uniformed police officers, flanked by a friend, center right, in Paris Monday, April  11, 2011. France's new ban on Islamic face veils was met with a burst of defiance Monday, as several women appeared veiled in front of Paris' Notre Dame Cathedral and two were detained for taking part in an unauthorized protest. France on Monday became the world's first country to ban the veils anywhere in public. (AP Photo/Michel Euler)Paris – France’s new ban on Islamic face veils was met with a burst of defiance Monday, as several women appeared veiled in front of Paris’ Notre Dame Cathedral and two were detained for taking part in an unauthorized protest.

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    France on Monday became the first country to ban the veils anywhere in public, from outdoor marketplaces to the sidewalks and boutiques of the Champs-Elysees.

    French President Nicolas Sarkozy set the wheels in motion for the ban nearly two years ago, saying the veils imprison women and contradict this secular nation’s values of dignity and equality. The ban enjoyed wide public support when it was approved by parliament last year.

    Though only a very small minority of France’s at least 5 million Muslims wear the veil, many Muslims see the ban as a stigma against the country’s No. 2 religion.

    About a dozen people, including three women wearing niqab veils with just a slit for the eyes, staged a protest in front of Notre Dame on Monday, saying the ban is an affront to their freedom of expression and religion.

    Much larger crowds of police, journalists and tourists filled the square.

    One of the veiled women was seen taken away in a police van. A police officer on the site told The Associated Press that she was detained because the protest was not authorized and the woman refused to leave when police asked her to. The officer was not allowed to be publicly named.

    The Paris police administration said another woman was also detained for taking part in the unauthorized demonstration.

    It was unclear whether the women were also fined for wearing a veil. The law says veiled women risk a euro150 ($215) fine or special citizenship classes, though not jail.
    An unidentified veiled woman is taken away by police officers, flanked by her two friends, in Paris Monday, April  11, 2011. France's new ban on Islamic face veils was met with a burst of defiance Monday, as several women appeared veiled in front of Paris' Notre Dame Cathedral and two were detained for taking part in an unauthorized protest. France on Monday became the world's first country to ban the veils anywhere in public. (AP Photo/Michel Euler)
    People who force women to don a veil are subject to up to a year in prison and a euro30,000 fine ($43,000), and possibly twice that if the veiled person is a minor.

    The law is worded to trip safely through legal minefields: The words “women,” ”Muslim” and “veil” are not even mentioned. The law says it is illegal to hide the face in the public space.

    While Italy also has a law against concealing the face for security reasons, France’s law was the first conceived to target veil-wearers. Sarkozy said he wanted a ban, and that the veils are not welcome in France.

    Moderate Muslim leaders in France and elsewhere agree that Islam does not require women to cover their faces, but many are uncomfortable with banning the veil. Religious leaders have denounced the measure, and are struggling with what to advise the faithful.
    An unidentified veiled woman is taken away by plain clothed police officers in Paris Monday, April  11, 2011. France's new ban on Islamic face veils was met with a burst of defiance Monday, as several women appeared veiled in front of Paris' Notre Dame Cathedral and two were detained for taking part in an unauthorized protest. France on Monday became the world's first country to ban the veils anywhere in public. (AP Photo/Michel Euler)
    The plans for a ban prompted protests in Pakistan last year and warnings from al-Qaida. It also has devout Muslim tourists skittish, since it applies to visitors as well as French citizens.

    Authorities estimate at most 2,000 women in France wear the outlawed veils. France’s Muslims number at least 5 million, the largest such population in western Europe.

    The ban affects women who wear the niqab, which has just a slit for the eyes, and the burqa, which has a mesh screen over the eyes.

    Kenza Drider, who lives in Avignon and wears a niqab, calls the ban racist. She was planning to attend Monday’s protest.

    Right before the ban came into effect, she said she would continue to go “shopping, to the post office and to city hall if necessary. I will under no circumstance stop wearing my veil.”

    “If I am warned verbally and must appear before the local prosecutor…. I will appeal to the European Court of Human Rights,” she told AP Television News.

    The veil, for her, “is a submission to God,” Drider said.

    Police complained that the law will be a challenge to enforce.

    “The law will be infinitely difficult to apply, and it will be infinitely rarely applied, unfortunately,” Emmanuel Roux of the police union SCPN said on France-Inter radio.

    He said police have been instructed not to use force to remove the veils, and that if a woman refuses to remove it, the police officer is meant to call the prosecutor for further legal action. Only in very extreme cases, he said, would a woman be jailed for refusal to remove a veil.

    Public opinion in Paris on the morality of enforcing the ban appears mixed.

    “It’s not a racist law. It’s just a law that is coming from the history of France and so you need to accept it if you want to integrate into France and with French people,” insisted Laurent Berrebe, an economist walking in central Paris on Monday.

    Nurse Olfa Belmanaa is opposed. “We are in France, we are in a democractic country where everyone has the right to do what they want. If they want to wear a veil or go competely nude that’s their right.”

    The ban had strong support from France’s leading parties on left and right, in a country where some people equate the veils with extremism and security risks. France separated church and state with a 1905 law, but has struggled in recent years to integrate a growing Muslim population and nuances of the Muslim faith.

    Police on Saturday arrested 61 people for attempting to hold an outlawed Paris protest against the pending ban.

    Many Muslims have also felt stigmatized by a 2004 law that banned Islamic headscarves in classrooms.


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    5TResident
    Noble Member
    5TResident
    13 years ago

    Bad idea. Burkas today, yarmulkes tomorrow.

    Rebyid40
    Rebyid40
    13 years ago

    I am unsure whether to condone or oppose the ban. On the one hand, it does present a security risk. On the other hand, it appears to significantly encroach on religious freedom. What would frum yidden say if the French imposed a ban on “male head coverings” (Yarmulkahs) and some Conservative Rabbi insisted that the Yarmulkah is not an integral part of Judaism?

    Mark Levin
    Mark Levin
    13 years ago

    Es dacht mit zee iz NISHT ah frau!

    WiseDude
    WiseDude
    13 years ago

    As was said by a noble Spanish official: Europe got rid of its Jews, who contributed so much to European commerce, learning, science, and art, and in their place got instead millions of Muslims who contribute nothing but crime, terror and applications for welfare, and who would, if they could, destroy European culture. A clear case of Mida k’neged Mida…..

    Anon Ibid Opcit
    Anon Ibid Opcit
    13 years ago

    France is trying to walk a very fine line here. Best of luck to them, but it’s not going to be easy. And there are no really good choices.

    13 years ago

    There is no problem with Muslim woman covering their head. However, the burka is not mandated by Muslim law. It is an extreme interpretation. Incidentally, years ago I was at Universal Studios in Orlando. It must have been 95 degrees. There was a muslim woman wearing a burka in that heat. Her husband was standing next to her smoking a cigarette. What do you think he was wearing-Bermuda shorts! If that wasn’t hypocrisy, I don’t know what is.

    festayid
    festayid
    13 years ago

    No Jew should worry about their yamulkas or shaitlech. The world is finally starting to realize that Muslims are a threat to mankind,therefore there are laws being passed to try to diminish the chances of more innocent ppl being slaughtered in the name of Islam. The world knows the Jews pose no such threat, therefore our yalmukas,streimlech and sheitles are safe perched on our heads

    DavidMoshe
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    DavidMoshe
    13 years ago

    “Many Muslims have also felt stigmatized by a 2004 law that banned Islamic headscarves in classrooms.”

    Many Jews and Christians have also felt stigmatized by a large number of explosions and armed attacks by Muslims that seem to keep killing people. Pardon us if we’ve gotten a bit skittish.

    JosephUK
    JosephUK
    13 years ago

    The “slippery slope” argument should be taken seriously. The Jewish community in the UK is facing greater scrutiny and suspicion because of the anti-religious feeling engendered by the realities of extreme Islam. The voices calling for an end to faith schools and shechita and those expressing concern with institutions such as Beth Din are caused by concern with, and aimed mainly at, Muslims and their institutions. European societies wish to control the force of extremist Islam, but will not allow themselves to be seen as “discriminating”, hence all minority religions (including Christians who don’t subscribe to all the mores of modern society) will be treated the same.
    Radical Islam must be challenged but trampling on the rights of free citizens is not the best solution, not for Muslims and not for Jews or anyone else. Let these women wear their shrouds if they so choose, but act with strength to punish those who act to create violence.

    charliehall
    charliehall
    13 years ago

    France has already banned yarmulkes in schools.

    mnmys1987
    mnmys1987
    13 years ago

    Being that I live in Europe, I can tell you that an association of Rabbis, Imams and Christians opposed that debate. Indeed, it is very dangerous because today, they are banning the veil in public, tomorrow they will ban Yarmulkes and Sheitelach also. Don’t forget that even in Holland, they’re discussing the possibility of banning the shechita. So, even if we understand the reason why they want to ban such veils which hide the face, as Jews, we cannot rejoice and agree with such laws, because it is a clear message for religious Jews: you are threaned. Tomorrow, it will be your turn!

    MosheZuchmere
    MosheZuchmere
    13 years ago

    The burka is a threat – it is unnatural. You cannot ban a yarmulke anymore than a baseball hat or whatever else of a similar nature.

    marcia
    marcia
    13 years ago

    If someone thought you were hiding your identity under a yamulka or sheital would you be willing to take them off to prove there was a bomb there! Security is a HUGE issue…do you know how many Muslime men shave their heads, put on make-up and dress in burqas to pass as a woman…..do Americans or Israelis stoop that low?

    13 years ago

    Why they insist on wearing those smatas, is the $64,000 question?? Those garments are not mandated by islam.