Brooklyn, NY – The Orthodox Jewish-run Brooklyn bus company that stuck women in the back seats is putting an end to the controversial practice after a reprimand from the city.
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The Private Transportation Corp. — which runs the Williamsburg-to- Borough Park B110 bus — wrote a letter to the Department of Transportation promising to instruct drivers not to move women to the back.
Operators pay the city more than $20,000 a year to run the line as part of a 30-year-old franchising agreement, which specifically forbids discrimination.
hopefully this will stop and a married couple can sit together or whatever.
if this does not stop, we will see separate sidewalks, in boro park
woman will no longer be seated in the back….now women will be stowed in the luggage compartment.
Did you notice the wording “instruct drivers not to move women to the back”? The signs on the bus and the passengers will enforce the women in the back policy. wink wink
#1 so what do you care, you dont live there.They will have now men one side women the other. But of course there will be rishay yisroel who will moiser that to
And if Private Transportation Corp. does in fact actually instruct its drivers to not move women to the back of the bus, and if the drivers in fact remain silent on the subject, and if Private Transportation Corp. does in fact actually remove the discriminatory signage from the buses, then PTC will have a colorable defense in the lawsuit that WILL be filed if (or, rather, WHEN) the thugs enforce the discriminatory policies.
He does not say that he will sit men and women in a different order all he said is that the bus company will not enforce it, its up to the passengers how they want to sit, the drivers will not get involved
If we are Jewish than we should obey the separation of men and women,
The day when men making this rule will be pregnant and sit in the back of a bus and feel on their own skin what achzariyus this is, will be the day they will understand the meaning of discrimination.
The need to enforce seperation at all baffles me. A couple is allowed to want to sit together. A heimish girl or bochur will automaticly look to sit next to someone of the same gender.
It would be nice if we could find something good to say about the Williamsburg Boro Park bus company. I traveled this line hundreds of times over the past 35+ years. It is a wonderful service and more than dependable. I believe this company deserves our full support for what it does and I, for one, will let them work this problem out on their own.
City buses should all be the same. Fully integrated as would be expected and appropriate for a public city bus.
If people want a segregated bus, however, they should be allowed to have it. However, it should be a PRIVATE bus service. If there are SO many people in this community who want segregated buses, then someone should be able to build a nice, profitable PRIVATE business out of it.
If, on the other hand, it is just a small handful of people who want it, then the answer should be “get a car”.
Public services are just that… PUBLIC.
Even if they don’t force to sit in back, its not a problem. Not a single woman from bp or willi will sit in the front. Its ok! They can promise but it will still remain the same. And to #1 that’s not true! This is going on for years and noone ever thought of separating sidewalks. What nonsense. Married couples are together all day and nothing will happen if they sit apart for 30 minutes or so.
I dont see this a problem at all…99.9% of heimishe women understand the Tzinius guidelines and they are NOT interested to sit next to any men ,even the goytes who travel to work understand the yidishe guidelines…The only problem is if one of those Liberal Lefty Anti Semites will come up and sit down in the mens seats , so she will sit there by herself surrounded by a dozen of men standing and looking at her for 20 minutes…Those are the same Rishei Yisroel who want to do away with Kapures,Shechita and Milah….
As a frequent rider on the WB bus i have never experienced a driver getting up from his seat and forcing woman move to the back, i believe this letter was just sent to quiet down the hungry media that love to make an issue of a non issue.
Watch the drop of people who ride this bus. For one more dollar each 4 people can take a car for this route and that will be real private transportation.
Why can’t women sit in the front and men in the back? No one has ever explained this.
Listen chasid shote all of you! Many times ladies want to sit with their elderly parents (or an elderly couple depending on each other need to sit together) taking them to their doctors. and for the men sitting in the front while ladies have to stand in the back is disgusting. A solution would be men in the front, ladies in the back and couples in the middle of the bus – this way the ladies who want to sit closer to the front will sit in the middle of the bus. problem solved.
Those who feel the need to sit separately will continue to do so…and that can’t be considered a violation of the law. If a gentile person of either sex chooses to sit in the oposite section then it could become interesting.
Why not have 3 busses 1) Men Only 2) Woman Only 3) Mixed …..
#8 the ones who comment like #1 are already reform ..usuall they 217;re MO and down 230; Like in the other thread she says because she has a picture of mixed seating at her husbands bar mitzvah so it must be al pi halacha. shulchen urech, shas, poskim she doesnt know and doesnt count by them .a new poisek 217; a picture!!
# 24 these posters are already reform or other. a yid a ben torah knows the issues and halacha involved. he wouldnt comment like them
how about 1 side men otherside woman
אחורי ארי ולא אחורי אשה,
a man should walk behind a lion rather then behind a woman
credit: chazal
besides, the city is legaly going nowhere here, this is a self imposed rule, 99% of riders are by choice sitting seperate, a woman has the right to sit where ever she likes even if its because of religious reasons.
so put a curtain between the men in the back and the ladies in the front (so no staring). and men should enter bus from the side entrance. Ladies require extra comfort for obvious reasons so please accommodate them or don’t pretend that yiddishkeit respects women.
#47 because this bus caters for 95% (even more) for those who want and understand what kedushams am yisroel means, what taharas hamachshovous means, what ‘……..veshov mayachreicha means etc. the trouble makers are the risay am yisroel, the rishey media who see a story which they capitalize on and get a scoop
Ladies to the right, men to the left, like on the Monsey bus. Put a curtain in between, problem solved.
i think the post should send a man to ride in the back
#44 yes, YOUR kind of rabbonim. If they were married as you claim, they were without question not our rabbonin, EG the likes of mishnas aron, igros moshe, divrei yoel, chasam soifer, bais haleive etc etczechur tzaddikim kulom livrocha.. can you name a few of YOUR’ chasava’ rabbonim who were married in mixed…and if youll yell ‘Lashon horah, Lashon horah’ then youre contradicting yourselve as you saytheres nothing wrong
there is a halachadig reason why women in back but we wouldnt bother to post it. you see those who mock this concept or other gedorim regarding kedushas am yisroel is not pshat that they are ungezapt mit torah and yiras shomayim with shulcun urech and nosei kailm,chovas halvovaos, ohr chaim hakodosh etc etc and they came to psak halacha that their way is proper. NO! most come by their hashkafa from eisofs gass, shmutz magazine, TV, MOVIES (you know all that is ‘HOLY” aka hole-y and gets mixed up with keddusha so the mix of oir and chochesh the end result is mockikn torah that its taliban and …….
what do the knuckle-dragging dregs, I’m sorry, I meant menfolk, do if a handicapped woman comes on the bus? Is the wheelchair forced to wend its way thru a too-narrow aisle to the back of the bus?
Also, where is it written that men get to have all the seats? Why is it that the women are told to get up because there aren’t enough seats for the men?
I think that people may continue to sit seperately on their own. I am a woman. Very rarely use the bus. I am not Chassidish and when have rode the bus, have never had a problem with this issue – woman sitting in the back. And I never heard a complaint from any other women whom I know who aren’t Chassidish who rode that bus. I will continue to sit in the back with the women. I think that most Chassdish will comply with this and do this on their own. But warning – there may be trouble makers like reporters who are going to PURPOSELY try to sit in the front, next to the men, to stir up trouble.
If there is going to be mixed sitting – wouldn’t be surprised if another bus company decides to go into this business and do this route — without city money and then I don’t think this would be an issue of having seperate sitting unless it’s funded by the city. Just watch though another troublemaker who is not Jewish trying to make the same trouble with any other bus company.
contid from 70… to #44 ok now, i challenge you to name 3-4 ‘chasheveh’ rabbonim who got married and the whole affair was mixed and remembe…..r (see 70 last 2 lines). Also, remember, there were and are plenty gedolei yisroel who were not so frum when the were young and becaim Tzaddikum, marbitze torah etc and the low spiritual condition you saw in pictures was in their younger years
Can anyone clarify about the money, the article says that the operator pays over 20k a year to the city for the route, but i always understood that the city subsidized it…..anyone know??
When I travel by subway from Brooklyn to Manhattan, I see young frum girls sitting on the train right next to all sorts of people, including men. Nothing happens. They don’t faint, the men don’t start attacking them, and everyone just sits and reads and listens to music or studies and the train makes its way into Manhattan.
That is a normal world. But when you start separating by gender when there is not the slightest basis in Torah for it, you end up with perversions of the body and soul.
Where in the Torah does it say that at a wedding a man cannot sit on a chair next to a woman who is also sitting on a chair. And if they are both single, they might also talk to each other, and might get married.
That is not against the Torah. That is normal. A long time ago, someone very chashuv said that one should not add to the Torah. The Torah says things, and the Rabbanim have advised us. But no one said, not two hundred years ago, or three hundred, that at a wedding a single man cannot sit next to a single woman, ot next to his wife.
The Torah did not say that women should stand aside when a man approaches on a sidewalk.
Shame on those who add them just because they can.
All this prattle!!! It’s the passengers who seat themselves. There are no assigned seating on these buses and the drivers never look back or tell anyone where to sit. they barely answer a question even when spoken to! lol One troublemaker making all this noise… that’s all this is. It’ll blow over. They do need competition, then maybe the quality of the buses will improve. sometimes the buses are so full they look like cattle cars
#96 WHERE in the torah does it say not to eat yom kippur, WHERE in the torah does it say to blow a rams horn on rosh hashana, , WHERE in the torah does it say rosh hashanna is for tsuvah WHERE in the torah does it say not sow, reap, thresh, grind etc on shabbas or make kiddush have a seudah on shabbos WERE does the torah say you have to put on tefilin everyday and it should be black, perfectly square, 4 separate parshes on the hand and in one piece on the head,WHERE WHERE,, WHERE you can say where on all taryag mitzvius and thats the problem with MO and down.if you dont believe torah shebal peh and becsav is one and inseparable your left without torah ,and the end result is christianity, reform reconstructionis conser. and avi weisses. and that what the gemmorah says ‘kol sheoimer ein lu ala torah ein lo afilu torah’ Where does it say you have to shect animals according to ..5 hilchos shechita, 39 simonay treifos……..must i assume you eat nevailos and treifos because where does it say in the torah what constitutes treifos………………
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#103……. #96 and you have the gull and audacity to say’shame, shame on those who add . after you learn thru shass, shulchen urech, meforshay hatorah, (not from dr rabbiners). OK i’ll give one sample from shulchen urech which your kind mock ,,SHULCHEN URECH EVEN AZER 21 seuf 5 last 2 lines rema that a man shoiuld not look romanticaly on his wife bacause its gorem hirhurin for others who see (see beth shmuel 12)and the rema does not say like the ignoramus say they should not look .it has to be bothe a woman has to go tznious AKA ‘BASHEIDEN” and the man should not look. by the way the opposite is also halach . i dont care which dr rabbiner says differently see chinuch, shloh hakodes (also not a chassidishe sefer) so learn thoroly simen 21 plus other plase .. but i have a chssah the way you talk you probably dont know what shulchen urech is. and do know that the ramah says, not a chsiddishe sefer, that chosen kalleh should not be together too much so they dont get fed up with each other, and do you know how many shidduchun were broken becase or this accursed thing of texting whch up to now they didnt communicate too much but because of text….mr big ‘talmud chchem
#34 and you know exactly how it was in der alter heim.in der alter heim was also such yidden and such ‘yidden’
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# 105.. PS-.the rama 21 5 im referring to is, of course, in public
#96 ……and do you know its just as assur for women to look on men, alkol panim leshem taive. WHERE WHERE WHERE?? go find it yourself