Jerusalem – After images of kids wearing yellow patches and striped pajamas during haredi protest in Jerusalem shocked many across the country, some participants wished to explain the move.
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Moshe, a member of the Eda Haredit sect and resident of Jerusalem’s ultra-Orthodox Mea Shaarim neighborhood told Ynet he does not regret participating in the “Holocaust display.”
Moshe, who attended the rally along with his eight-year-old nephew, noted that the sect leaders supported the demonstration, even if they did not personally participate. “They didn’t publicly call to attend the rally because they feared that the police might employ violence and rubber bullets, and that haredi blood would be spilled.”
The Eda Haredit member attempted to explain the rationale behind the display of Holocaust symbols, saying it was important that secular people understand the campaign that is being conducted against their community.
“It’s important to remember that the Holocaust didn’t start with the gas chambers, but was preceded with an unruly incitement campaign against the Jews. Even after Krystalnacht there were those who preferred to turn a blind eye.
“What is happening today resembles those years and it can definitely reach a secular intifada,” he noted.
Oh really now? Little frum girls in Bet Shemesh are not allowed to walk to school in peace and it is a secular intifada against Chareidim?
What on earth is this guy talking about? No one is committing acts of violence against the chareidim. No one is preventing them from observing the mitzvos. The chilonim are certainly disobeying the self-made rules that the chareidim have come up with, like buses and sidewalks, but that’s not “doing anything” to the chareidim.
Something has to be done about both the haredi extremists and the settler movement. Both are huge dangers to the state of Israel, far greater then any external threats.
I agree that the secular media is leading a nasty campaign against chareidim and this is going on for years! but these ridiculous moves like spitting on little girls or protesting in yellow stars is an even worse campaign against chareidim!!!! what is the world suppose to say when seeing the so called kanooim dressing in uniforms the nazi animals dressed our parents before killing 6,000,000 of them?!?!?!?!
He is right. But people will dismiss the event because ppl think its a protest about bet shemesh or sikeikim rather than secular and official incitement against charedim. If western media spoke of Jews the way Israeli media does then ADL would be in a fit. I personally think its extreme to have this imagery, but its not intirely misplaced.
It’s called laying low people. Yes, the secular media attacks the Chareidim – they always have – which is why thinking people try to lay low and not feed them what they’re looking for.
The Eida needs a PR firm ASAP. There needs to be a kol korei prohibiting anyone from talking to the media, besides designatd spokesmen approved by the PR firm.
simple but the whole issue
from the Washington Post
“Ultra-Orthodox Jews make up 10 percent of Israel’s population. In the past, they have generally confined their strict lifestyle to their own neighborhoods. But they have become increasingly aggressive in trying to impose their ways on others, as their population has grown and spread to new areas.
Extremist sects within the ultra-Orthodox community have been under fire of late for their attempts to ban mixing of the sexes on buses, sidewalks and other public spaces.”
For the Charedim (the ones dressed like chassidim) ITS ALL A GAME. They just relish the action and the attention. It has nothing to do with Tznius. If the buses are not tznius enough they should get off the bus and take a taxi,however this is not their real intention. They have a lot of Chutzpa to impose anything on anyone. Forget about the spitting, who gives them the right to open up their mouth to another passenger on the bus? This is 2012 there is no such thing as segregation on public buses. Who are their Rabbonim? They have none!!! These people listen to no one, and only create a massive Chillul Hashem. The mainstream media doesn’t realize its just a SHTICK, these “chassidim” don’t believe themselves in what they are trying to impose onto others. They have way to much time on their hands. The latest photos of these chassidim with Holocaust garb is just a continuation of the GAME, you could see all the adults SMILING in the background!! All major Jewish Organizations and their Rabbonim, should denounce these groups of “phony charedim” and differentiate themselves between real Chasidim, which by them the Torah is “deracheha darchei noam” and lehavdil these, rabble rousers.
So what took the chilonim so long?
The dati have been dictating to them for over 60 years about shopping on Shabbos, transportation on Shabbos, what stores can sell, marriage standards to the point that thousand flee the country to marry elsewhere, etc. etc.
After having tried to dictate to the chilonim for sixty years they protest when the chilonim try to turn the tables!
And to add salt to the wounds, they publicly dance on the neshomos of 6,000,000 kedoshim! And they expect sympathy ?!?!?
And the Rabbonim actually are ok with it! Mind boggling!
It almost makes me want to hide my black hat afraid that someone might associate me with these chazeirim.
even after seeing the reaction from people including frum yiddin they cannot see the error of this protest.
they are hopless i am afraid
Persecution?
All i see is huge shuls and yeshivas being built (who’s paying for it by the way?) in every city across israel.
All i see is well-fed sikrikim, who look like farm animals in the pasture.
Besides, if the tzionim are like goyim (which a sikrik explained to me last night that they are), then why are they different than the ones who rule new york or london. I thought there’s an issur of merida ba’umos, nu, who gave them the right to be mored?
In Brooklyn and in London they wouldn’t dare do this kind of thing. Only in evil Zionist Israel, can they rampage about as they please while justifying their actions and always playing victims.
only when thay gave back gush katif was it allowed to wear yellow stars and carry signs nazis traitor. hipocrites!!!!
I would like to get an answer from anyone. Why is it that when the seculars get offended and spit in others faces, it’s alright? For instance I witnessed a few of them spitting at NK people while protesting with Arabs. If Israel is the democratic country you claim it to be, you have to tolerate freedom of speech or expression, of all sorts. But since you become offended, like most commentators here do, you gotta understand that the extremist of the Hasidim become offended too from provocative clothing, in their eyes.
Take them out and make an example of them according to the halachah in choshen mishpat…
beat them severely to stop others from following them.
these same chevra tried starting up with gur….then gur grabbed a few and put them within inches of their lives. they never started with gur again
The don’t have internet so thay are not aware of the huge chillul hashem they made last week.
They never learned secular studies so they don’t know holocaust history. Is the message they are saying that “kristalnacht” was forcing people on non segregated buses?
Feh……… I cant believe yoy are trying to justify their behavior. If what you say is true and the country you live in is trying to eliminate your soul (if you still have one), then GET OUT QUICK! No one is keeping you there. Forget about the Tzaar you cause the rest of Klal Yisroel, to inflict additional Tzaar on holocaust survivors is beyond the pale.
Forget secular, these men have been starting up with frum people – just that they don’t harbor the same version of female tznuit dress as they do. So there is no such thing as a chumra in their view, all is base halacha and required of all jews. That’s what’s scaring me now. It’s one thing to hope that people become more religious, it’s quite another to have your way is the only way.
If they want respect then they have to give respect. They have no respect for the Medinah so why should the Medinah respect them?
Don’t you realize…the only reason we are getting all bent out of shape is because we see and hear and are enmeshed in secular culture and are embarrassed by these actions.
These people live in their own button and are not effected and don’t give a hoot about what anyone else says.
As for the dangers these people and to some extant settlers who disregard authority present..I agree that it’s a huge problem for the State.
It’s a matter of simple trajectory..
Growing in population..becoming more and more radical..and entrenched
Somethings gotta give
The don’t have internet so thay are not aware of the huge chillul hashem they made last week.
They never learned secular studies so they don’t know holocaust history. Is the message they are saying that “kristalnacht” was forcing people on non segregated buses?
Ok by now everybody got the news. Now please stop these news. Thank you.
Ironically it’s because of the Holocaust that they’re acting this way. This historical tragedy has traumatically intensified the culture of fear and punishment in the Charedi world. Add to this the rapidly changing decadence West. The increasing chumrahs are basically a reaction, as unfortunately the growing paranoia.
I don’t blame people for wanting to shield themselves against shmutz or feeling bewildered by a rapidly changing world. But attacking or scapegoating others (particularly women) reeks of unhealthy obsession and a frantic desire to regress. Ironically, that’s how Nazism or even the Inquisition began. The psychology is the same.
“Where you will go to I leave to you to decide. How about Iran or Saudi Arabia? They are also chareidi nations as well.”
Comparing haredim to Islamists is just as offensive as the Nazi comparisons in the demos.
When will hilonim learn to compromise with haredim on minhagim and above all to stop their brutal hatred of haredim?