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Jerusalem - Rosh Yeshiva of Ponovitch: Secular Media Attacks A Message From Hashem About Our Own Sinas Chinam

Published on: January 5, 2012 12:06 PM
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Jerusalem - In an address given this past Tuesday, Rabbi Gershon Edelstein, Rosh Yeshiva of Ponovitch, spoke about recent attacks on the Chareidi community by the secular media and said it is incumbent upon us not to hate who disparage us but to understand that Hakadosh Baruch Hu only allows problems to come upon Klal Yisroel only as a result of our own shortcomings.

Rabbi Edelstein compared the actions of the secular media, who seem to delight in inciting the public against the Chareidi community, to those of Bar Kamtza, who deliberately slandered the Jews to the Roman emperor when he felt slighted by the Rabbonim who did not save him from embarrassment.  Rabbi Edelstein cautioned his listeners to remember that Hakadosh Baruch Hu allowed the Beis Hamikdash to be destroyed, not because of Bar Kamtza’s words, but because of the sinas chinam that existed in that generation.

Speaking just days before Asara B’Teves, Rabbi Edelstein said that while the Bais Hamikdash was destroyed because of the sin of sinas chinam – baseless hatred – the fact that the Bais Hamikdosh has still not been rebuilt is because we are still guilty of that same aveira. 

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“When we see incitement against our community,” said Rabbi Edelstein, “the natural thing to do is to hate those who are making the inflammatory statements.  But by doing that we are guilty of sinas chinam.  When Hakadosh Baruch Hu allows things like this to happen, we need to remember that we are the guilty party and we need to atone for the sins that we have done that have allowed these problems to occur.  It is our sins that are the source of these problems, not those who slander us and it is appropriate for us to overcome our emotions and not hate those who deliberately malign us, despite their actions.”

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 Jan 05, 2012 at 01:12 PM sasregener Says:

gezugt vi a godol b'torah

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 Jan 05, 2012 at 01:06 PM Anonymous Says:

True torah words that i use to hear in my Yeshiva days, which I rearly hear today.

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 Jan 05, 2012 at 01:02 PM Yechi Says:

Well said, nice to hear a new approach from that yeshiva,,,not shades of B'nyani Haumah

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 Jan 05, 2012 at 01:02 PM Anonymous Says:

Finally some kind of Daas Torah.

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 Jan 05, 2012 at 12:08 PM Anonymous Says:

Yes, there is sinas chinam ...... but he has it backwards. We do not wait until "seculars" start responding to absurd chumras to explain that "we should not hate seculars who incite bc it is sinas chinam" when fanatic charedim have been throwing stones and yelling verbal assaults at Jews for years bc they do not meet their standards of frumkeit. That was already sinas chinam and no one spoke up then.

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 Jan 05, 2012 at 12:15 PM awesome Says:

The words of a true tzadik. Let's stop blaming the chilonim for our problems, and concentrate on ourselves.
I don't know whether the Rav meant this, but there is a very clear and direct link between our actions and the chiloni incitement. We directly provoked the incitement with our hatred, violence and harrassment of chilonim and mizrachi, and now we are paying the price.

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 Jan 05, 2012 at 05:01 PM Phineas Says:

There ia a Gadol

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 Jan 05, 2012 at 04:32 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #6  
awesome Says:

The words of a true tzadik. Let's stop blaming the chilonim for our problems, and concentrate on ourselves.
I don't know whether the Rav meant this, but there is a very clear and direct link between our actions and the chiloni incitement. We directly provoked the incitement with our hatred, violence and harrassment of chilonim and mizrachi, and now we are paying the price.

Pls don't twist the rav's words.

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 Jan 05, 2012 at 04:12 PM pushkin Says:

Reply to #5  
Anonymous Says:

Yes, there is sinas chinam ...... but he has it backwards. We do not wait until "seculars" start responding to absurd chumras to explain that "we should not hate seculars who incite bc it is sinas chinam" when fanatic charedim have been throwing stones and yelling verbal assaults at Jews for years bc they do not meet their standards of frumkeit. That was already sinas chinam and no one spoke up then.

you shouldnt post yourself anonymous you should be apikoros

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 Jan 05, 2012 at 03:55 PM Jersey Yid Says:

Interesting comparison to Bar Kamtza. Remember, the impetus for Bar Kamtza was, according to the talmud, the fact that the gedolim that were at the festive dinner did not object to Bar Kamtza's humiliation. Sadly, this sounds resoundingly familiar.

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 Jan 05, 2012 at 03:46 PM rationalman Says:

like it or hate it ....finally addressing what is going on instead of waiting to see where the public is on an issue

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 Jan 05, 2012 at 03:36 PM Anonymous Says:

He is absolutely correct. The Charedim should look inwards not outwards. There lies the problem.

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 Jan 05, 2012 at 02:03 PM Yossi Says:

“the natural thing to do is to hate those who are making the inflammatory statements. But by doing that we are guilty of sinas chinam.

I need some one to explain this to me...Of course i can not and will not question a Gudel Hador but i am trying to understand what is wrong to Hate people who keep on Redifes against chareidi jews and embarassing us for the entire world..?

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 Jan 05, 2012 at 02:09 PM destro613 Says:

but nothing about what the people are doing in Beit Shemesh?

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 Jan 05, 2012 at 02:33 PM harryw Says:

Now, that's a true daas torah by someone not holding a gvrmnt position and is not affraid to speak out the truth.

May rabbi metzgar, rabbi lau, rabbi yosef and sons take a learning lesson.

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 Jan 05, 2012 at 05:44 PM oh! Says:

Reply to #12  
Anonymous Says:

He is absolutely correct. The Charedim should look inwards not outwards. There lies the problem.

you mean "we should look inwards not outwards". if you are one of us that is. if not, then thanks for your comment. (no need to regurgitate the ravs words.)

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 Jan 05, 2012 at 07:32 PM esther Says:

no offense but the incitement is not groundless. what about the spitting,yellow stars etc.? don't those chareidim have a responsibility regarding these actions? all the hate is coming from the seculars?i don't think so.

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 Jan 05, 2012 at 08:42 PM md2205 Says:

Hate means someone is looking at the situation with physical eyes, instead of ruchniyusdik eyes. Looking at a situation with ruchniyusdik eyes means interpreting someone else's negative response to us as a siman to examine our behavior, whether or not it is related to what is being criticized. Since we cannot control other people's reactions to us, at least we can control our own behavior and improve it. We have to become aware of what we are doing that is wrong. Sometimes people's reactions to our behavior is how we become aware of it. That is a message sent by Hashem to prod us to improve. What is Chassidus? Chassidus is light. Light lets you see what used to be not visible. It lets you see what is in the room - and whether the room is nicely set up or needs cleaning. When someone studies Chassidus, he becomes aware of Hashem's viewpoint, so to speak, as to why He created the world and how we should think, speak and act in it. The Lubavitcher Rebbe said Moshiach is ready to come now. It is only up to us to increase in acts of goodness and kindness and that will bring Moshiach more quickly. I hope people will channel their energy into this and not negative and useless behavior.

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 Jan 05, 2012 at 08:45 PM WILLYBOBBY Says:

reply to 13: Hashem Yisboruch has his ways of turning against us, so to remind us that we have to do tshuva.Even if the message comes through a fellow jew...

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 Jan 05, 2012 at 08:55 PM md2205 Says:

Reply to #19  
WILLYBOBBY Says:

reply to 13: Hashem Yisboruch has his ways of turning against us, so to remind us that we have to do tshuva.Even if the message comes through a fellow jew...

Why do you say Hashem is turning against us? When a parent tells a child to improve, he does it for the child's benefit.

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 Jan 05, 2012 at 09:25 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #9  
pushkin Says:

you shouldnt post yourself anonymous you should be apikoros

No - Apikorsim are fanatical charedim who spit, throw stones and assault other Jews. And all those like you who support them. If they would realize a Jew is a Jew and only Hashem judges who is a "true Torah Jew" then they would not have been the originators of sinas chinam.

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 Jan 06, 2012 at 08:34 AM AviKes Says:

Throwing stones, spitting, etc. is worse than sinat chinam. It is the next step. First we have to stop pasulling rabbanim who pasken differently than what we would have liked.

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 Jan 06, 2012 at 09:17 AM qazxc Says:

Reply to #22  
AviKes Says:

Throwing stones, spitting, etc. is worse than sinat chinam. It is the next step. First we have to stop pasulling rabbanim who pasken differently than what we would have liked.

I humbly disagree.

The first step is to stop supprting rabbonim and yeshivos who teach us to disrespect other rabbonim and other yeshivos that follow a different mehalaich than we follow.

How can a person who mocks YU and Rav YD Soloveitchick a"h 'leshaim shomayim" also teach ahavas yisroel? If your child is being taught one he or she (am I still allowed to use the word "she"?) isn't being taught the other.

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 Jan 06, 2012 at 09:42 AM awesome Says:

Reply to #8  
Anonymous Says:

Pls don't twist the rav's words.

I said I don't know whether the Rav meant it. But if you read the quotation carefully, you might realize that he was at least hinting to it.

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 Jan 07, 2012 at 07:11 PM BoruchN Says:

Reply to #12  
Anonymous Says:

He is absolutely correct. The Charedim should look inwards not outwards. There lies the problem.

In other words...'The 'Chareidim' should start being 'Chareidim.'
So, what you have is 'finger pointing.' Each group is pointing a finger at the other claiming: "We're holier than thou."
Tell the 'Chareidim' to start learning 'Chassidus Chabad.' This will solve all problems.

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