Jerusalem – Some 20 female officers, including high ranking reservists, sent a letter to the Plesner Committee, tasked with finding alternatives to Tal Law and regulating haredim’s military service, warning that the mass recruitment of ultra-Orthodox soldiers will have an adverse effect on women serving in Israel’s armed forces.
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The letter, sent to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Deputy PM Shaul Mofaz, Defense Minister Ehud Barak and the Committee Chairman MK Yohanan Plesner (Kadima), said that such a move would eventually increase the exclusion of women in the military and infringe on their rights.
No…it will do just the opposite and provide these chareidi bochurim with better social skills and understanding of the equal rights of men and women under Israeli law. They will have to learn to accomodate their religious rights and beliefs with the equally important rights of women. Its a win/win for both sides and will have benefits for these bochurim long-after their military service as they will treat Israeli women with more understanding and respect.
Women should not be in the army. It’s clear from Halacha and all of the (real) gedolim who held its from the 3 cardinal sins which one must give up his/her life. But if they get the chareidim exempt, let then go right ahead.
Hmm, Chareidim don’t want to join. The female officers don’t want them there. The army can’t afford to employ the sheer number of them. The secularists despise them. The Gedolim think they shouldn’t be there either. Well gosh darn it, I think this was a well thought out plan. On another note: Kudos IDF, you’ve already repulsed us by celebrating gay pride. All you need to do now is to kick out the residents of Bet El and you’ve made us all proud.
Regarding this objection of the high ranking female reservists in the IDF, I will quote what the late Rodney King once stated:
CAN’T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG!
I perosnally think its not with in the realm of Tznius to have female officers who boss around these male yiddish neshama’s who are, unfortunatly, serving in the army
Waste of time, the jewish buchrim will anyway not gane join the army not a diffrent witch law they will make they belong in yeshiva, & this 20 female soliders you also don’t belong there just go get marreid & have kids like all the women in the all world
To Alter G(#6) and YipYap(#7) (and other closet misogynists).
EY doesn’t have the luxury of fighting wars with armies 10x larger and tell 1/2 their population that they cannot serve because some frightened and selfish charedim are nervous about the “neshamas” and fearful about matter of tzinisudik should they have to c’v, “take orders” from a woman officer. This is a complex issue and will require compromise on both sides to work, but its feasible and necessary for the security and defense of the medinah to have EVERYONE participate in some capacity.
This is a catch-22 situation. The Israeli Gov’t, via the Plessner Commission, wants to enlist yeshiva bochurim in great numbers into the army. The members of the IDF, (Not just the female officers) don’t want them there. They’re damned if the do and damned if they don’t.
Thank you feminists for helping keep yeshiva boys out of the secular Israeli army. We need yeshiva boys in the yeshiva not in the army. Today thirty per cent of the army is actually not Jewish. So G-d will find others to serve in the army as well as work for us if we sit and learn and live by the Torah.
How about, for each chareidi enlistee, we send a female army officer to sit in yeshiva and learn? Then everyone will be equally ticked off, and we will have achieved true equality.
the feminashenazis are the first to jettison yiddishkeit and become yordim , so it will only be a short term problem.
So now we have a situation where women who devote years of their lives at great personal costs to protect the country are derided and their morality defamed. Lovely.
Those of you who do so should be ashamed of yourselves.
Move all the kollels and yeshivas to the Egyptian border (army exemption thus conditionally granted) and instruct them to send their meshulachim only to Egypt. All problems solved.
It occurs to me that having soldiers who won’t follow orders ( from a woman or man) could be very problematic. As far as I know, there are no mixed gender units. The question seems to be about whether a woman officer would be able to give an order to someone who is not in her unit – maybe she has a position in intelligence or something like that. Combat units are not mixed units. Why exactly could a chareidi man not take an order from a female officer?
If the mayor is a woman – he can’t follow her orders either?
How about if his mother or wife is a female – he can’t listen to her either? Come on, this has nothing to do with gender – this has to do with getting out of your responsibilities.
“Women should not be in the army. It’s clear from Halacha….. But if they get the chareidim exempt, let then go right ahead.”
First you say that women in the army is כנגד הלכה. And then, you say that as long as it gets חרדי men exempt, ‘let them (women) go right ahead (join the army).’ But, what has happened to your הלכה? Do your own ears hear what your mouth is saying?
Arizal says that the 3 shavous goes on the first 1000 years of the Galus,its long over !!!