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South Fallsburg, NY – Police arrested five men after getting complaints about a house in South Fallsburg where kids were being served alcohol and people were smoking marijuana.
Fallsburg police got the calls and went to the address on Laurel Avenue in South Fallsburg.
When they arrived they broke up a large party at the house, and arrested five men, the oldest people at the party, and some of them had supplied the alcohol to the younger party-goers, all summer residents.
David Huebner, 18, and Chesky Schwartz, 18, both of Brooklyn, and Chaim Saxton, 21, of Monsey were charged with misdemeanors of endangering the welfare of a minor, unlawfully dealing with a child and possession of stolen property.
Klevan Mayer, 18, of Brooklyn was charged with misdemeanor obstruction of governmental administration. A 17-year-old Brooklyn boy was charged with unlawful possession of marijuana, a violation. All five are free pending appearances in Fallsburg Town Court. [Record]
Bisomim::: PROPS!!! Thank you for understanding.. You sound like one of the only people that knows what their talking about.. Even though some of you guys got some of it right Bisomim took the cake.. Im one of the guys that got arrested… No one said we were right, everyone that was their wasent forced to be thier and nobodey got hurt… !! Everyone was their to have a good time… no one said its the right way but thats how it whent down…i dont know how you guys get side tracked about yeshivas and etc. you should make another web site for that…im young and i cant believe some of you guys are married and so closed minded..beat them hahaha are you sick..you think thats gonna teach a lesson..i cant believe there is a web site like this,but word travels fast and i found out….this is a big problem..each of you that talks about doing this and that…you should start by not reading loshon hora..and then talking it..im just sad that this is the adult generation….the one thats supposed to be showing us the way…i guess its up to us to make our own way..i hope mashiach comes we need it
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Anonymous said on August 1, 2007 9:39 AM
…I am a parent who has children that are currently attending the Brisks of this world and I watched …
Excuse me Mr. – but if you “””””watched”””””, then why didn’t you do something about it. You now have the mitzvah of Giving Tochacha. Of course nicely – and of course you must look into the matter etc. But, think about it. IF and I repeat if, this whole story here is true (which who says it is – a blogger, newspapers – everyone knows they have an agenda and not to have truth exactly.) Coming back to the point, think about it, if it is true, so these boys were drinking, in order not to criticize – they WERE finding a way to be happy. So you see, dear yid, that what you should do is that YOU have the responsibility to talk to people, because if you think you see something, then you should say something. So maybe by posting here, you were ‘zoche’ to receive this advice, but not much more was accomplished until you act as above, which I think is the correct way. Thank you.
p.s. YOU are the one who must start speaking up. p.s. Please be mochel if this is too sharp. But I’m sure you’ll be happy with this mussar, especially as it is totally anonymous. So for everyone reading this, take it as an article bringing out a point.
p.s. I totally disapprove of anyone speaking about bochurim as a news item. Speak about Sadam Hussein, but not Yidden. Have a nice day.
I am one of the guys who got arrested you people have no idea what your talking about we were in the house chilling NO DRUGS! NO ALCOHOL! a car pulled up to the house with a couple of guys and started chilling and these guys called other people and they called more people and suddenly we had a party on our hands and btw the people who crashed the party brought there own “beverages”
There are many fingers to point. Parents who did not set limits, mechanchim and schools that disciplined with shame, an educational system that was developed to build the strong student and abandon the weak ones, the community that enables continued misbehavior by rescuing them from the consequences of their actions, and mostly the community for failing to support those programs that help the kids and their families. It’s all our fault. Now let us do something about it. We are approaching Yom Hadin. Have we done anything to make our community a better place? Do we make it our business to take care of every single soul? That is what we expect from HKB”H on Rosh Hashana.
Many children start in kindergarten as the child everyone else picks on. They beg and cry for help and nobody listens. When they are teenagers all has been lost for at least ten years. Thnks to the mosdos for ignoring my pain! Thanks to my parents for always saying the hanholo is right! And thanks to my friends … wait a minute I don’t have any!
first of all anybody who was there in monticello that saturday night and saw people snorting drugs is lying if somebody was smoking pot in public fine nobody was snorting coke in public nobody is that stupid even the biggest cokehead so stop making it sound bigger than it seems second if you want to say that police are anti semitic because they arrested them lets see when non-jews make such a party all of them get arrested third 25 year old married guy in monsey you were never at risk what so you talked to girls and smoked cigarettes most of these kids that live on the street and im talking from experience i was in 3 different rehabs by the time i was 18! their lives at home, school and social lives have the world to do with it i personally went through alot of abuse and to escape i turned to drugs thank hashem that i learnt how to deal with it but how can u come out with a blanket statement that all of these kids have had perfect lives at home you obviously have no clue as to what ure talking about so dont say anything
we are truly living in troubled times. Hashem have mercy. But as for us, we ALL need to get involved and try to help these lost souls FAST or worse things are sure to come. If you think that a Colombine or Virginia tech catastrophe can’t happen to a yeshiva by some disgruntled, lost, angry soul- then think again. All it takes is some kid on drugs or anti depressant or maby neither of these, that had or is having a real bad experience in yeshiva such as being neglected, rejected etc. and you have a recipe for disaster. There was a time when we could’nt imagine our children as alchoholics or drugies and here we are. It can, and chas v’eshalom, will get worse. Yeshivas and parents need to give love and attention NO MATER WHAT !! And parents need to spend QUALITY TIME with their children, not just time.
to b.a mentch
want me to rather write some stupid name like u did???
Sorry the kids were arrested, but it certainly doesn’t sound like anything to get in a swivet about– Courts and parents will be sufficient to handle the matter, and there isn’t the slightest indication that religion played any part whatsoever in the matter.
But anyone who thinks that Jewish kids don’t drink or use controlled substances need only visit certain universities on a weekend.
Remarkably, most survive and grow up and become parents– good parents– and normal members of society. And o. gevald’s comment *is* funny. Try to relax people– there are things worth getting worked up about, and this isn’t one.
I had many friends who were at risk teens but You know why i never became a “teen at risk” because I could never afford it.
No, I could never start smoking and do drugs you know why because i could never afford the pack or the dime bag.
No, I could never hang out and play pool or what not you know why because there was so much to help out around the house and we couldn’t afford a polish/mexican lady
No, I never had the opportunity to go upstate and get screwed up like so many teens do over the summer, you know you guessed it, we had no summer place upstate because we could never afford it.
Teens at risk get the funds to do what they do some where and ultimately the source is their parents. These activities start way before teens can afford all their activities from summer jobs but some how they do amnge to get the money from somewhere and where does ot usually come from you guessed it again, from the parents.
To anon 8:33pm;
Stop posting comments under an “anonymous” title.
To the educated eye, it is apparent that you are one and the same of many comments posted separately here. I stand by my response. Good luck!
If anyone has any information on where our children can turn to for help, please list it here.
Thank You.
When all is said and done i dont know if the names should or should not be published here.
The point is even if you are jewish (i would say religious but giving drugs and booze to kids is not a very religious thing to do) If you BREAK THE LAW – you PAY THE PRICE. If you are @risk you still pay the price. Maybe its a wake up call for you or someone close to you and maybe its not. The point is, we have a problem with letting our kids experiance pain or consequences and as a direct result we have taught them that THERE ARE NO CONSEQUENCES IN LIFE. Not a very jewish lesson at all.
The police do what the police do. we can criticize or not but if we focus on the police action rather than on the NEED to address a large group of OUR teens drinking and drugging etc… than we are the ones guilty of naive and clearly are unwilling to look in the mirror and recoginize WE HAVE A PROBLEM.
We must love our children, all of Hashems children. I heard someone argue the point, that even when they are not doing what we want or approve of, we still must LOVE THEM NO MATTER WHAT. Sometimes loving them is hard and sometimes allowing them to pay the price is even harder – truth is we might be hurting them in the short and long term.
What are we going to do to help the families that are going through the terrible pain and struggle of not being able to properly help their kids?
What are we going to do to help these kids that are taking grave risks with lives?
How are we going to mitigate the risk to the LIVES and NESHOMAS of our dear children?
b. a. mentch!!
r u waiting for a “brocha” that ur kids should turn out like this cuz if yes im ready to “bless” u!!
and talk about ur own title u DEFINATELY aint sound anything next to a mentch!
also if u think 18 is old ur probably much younger and u urself shouldnt be on the internet-go learn to become a mentch!!!
besamim
i am a relative to one of those kids and i just want to let u know that u r 100% right about how wrong it is to write the names-i had so much agmas nefesh answering so many people that yes it was my..!!
may hashem bentch u that u never have any children who will cause u such agmas nefesh!!!
to all those others writing wrong about these boys just thank Hashem ur so close minded and cant understand such a situation!!
KLAL YISROEL needs to wake up and realize that this affects everyone.When a child goes off the derech(lo aleinu)it is a wakeup call for everyone.At the end of the day a child of 17-18 must be responsible for his actions.Yes,there are
rebbes that have caused more harm than good,yes,sometimes yeshivas are too quick to throw a boy out,but the majority of these kids are experimenting and often they go too far.To point fingers at parents instead of offerring help and support is just simple ignorance of what goes on in a home of a teenager that displays at risk behavior.
as i read all the posts i feel a deep pain in my heart. i am the sister of an “at risk” teenage boy.b”H he is still at risk and isnt lost. when i look at my brother i see a tourtured confused boy. i see someone who, at this stage in life just doesnt understand himself.i look at my parents who have tried literally everything, including “taboo” therapists and specialists (despite that i am in “shidduchim”)i see the sacrifices of money which we dont have to pay for yeshivas and programs.(my father is a rebbe) and the unconditional love they provide him with even when he cant accept it.i also look at his rebbeim who try everything and care so much. and then i just accept that this time is a nisayon min hashamim for everyone involved. we do what we can and then we can only daven. so to all of you blaming everyone- you dont know that everyone is doing everything they can. please dont blame- you have the power to daven and help in that way. just a side point i learned inseminary that a prominent gadol( i think it was Rav Elyashiv) said that a child going off the derech is 99 percent decreed from shamayim and one percent maximum other factors.
I must say the problem lies with the yeshivas i was an at risk teen i was thrown out of yeshivas not for making trouble but for not learning up to par with the rest of my class there were 40 students in my class and i was always seated in the back and enjoyed a good book instead after being thrown out of yeshiva i started hanging out and having fun all night. IT WAS MY PARENTS WHO WERE THWE ANCHOR KEEPING ME FROM DRUGS i cry for the yeshiva system today as my father met the mashgiach who threw me out and said there is a beautifal spot in hell waiting for you. thank god for my parents who never threw me out . now i own my own business and BH im sucsessful and donate to causes helping out children at risk. the moral of the story is parents please dont give up on your kids mine never did
ps mommy and totty i love you and thank u (if u read this blog and figure it out lol)
To Anon 2:02
I was dealing with child at risk
and am an attorney I brought this boy to a sentencing of one of the “cool’ ganovem who was honored at many a dinner.The boy saw the pregnent wife cry for mercy for her husband.
The boy at risk heard the Judge pronounce a 8 1/2 sentence in prison.
The 18 year old boy is no longer at risk.
anon 1pm
anon 1:51pm
I beg to differ. You DO have what to offer these kids. I urge you to contact one of the fine organizations out there (such as Project Y.E.S. to name one of many). If you are able to tell just one young man, “been there – done that” you can save his life and the lives of all of his future generations.
YES you are that important. I encourage you to get involved. You have much to offer.
Wishing you and your family all of the best and continued Hatzlacha.
Because I have nothing to offer kids that are really do have deeper issues. When I was that age like I said, I was simply doing it to have fun. There was no one on this planet I would’ve listened to. Believe me, some rebeim tried and some others did talk to me, but I had this big F U attitude that I simply didn’t care.
I then went out, started working and realized that life isn’t full of fun and games. I think for me personally that was the turning point. Starting to work and seeing what’s what out there in the world.
To Anon 1PM
Why don’t you work with kids at risk?you are young and you pulled yourself out of the gutter.
It’s so easy to generalize isn’t it? It’s the parents fault! It’s the Yeshivas fault!! BULLSH***
I’m 25 now and b”H happily married with a beautiful girl, but when I was a teenager I wasn’t the best. I was a great learner and was by far the top in my class in learning throughout high school, however I always indulged in shall we say “extracurricular activities”. I won’t go into detail, but girls and smoking were involved. I never did drugs, but I did get kicked out of 3 yeshivas.
My point? IT WAS NO ONE’S FAULT BUT MY OWN!!! I was young and I wanted to have a good time. Plain and simple! Even while I was doing it, I was saying all these things about how it was my parents faults blah blah, but deep down I knew the truth. I just wanted to have fun.
My parents were not to blame, and I will never ever forgive myself for what I put them through. If not for my parents, G-d knows how much further I would’ve fallen. Yeshivas were not to blame either, as I WAS a bad influence on others, and deserved to get the boot.
Bottom line, stop trying to blame everyone without knowing the people in question personally.
I blame all of these Yeshivah’s who kick out the boys and even girls from thier midth without thinking about thier future.
Most of these teens who get into drugs and so on come from good and loving frum familis . and are outcasts from the Yeshivah that they were so nicely kicked out from.
The only comford that they can get is in the streets. from the day that they were kicked out of Yeshivah the trip down is so fast you cant even catch up with them.
We should start fighting for these kids and fight againts Yeshivahs kicking our children out!!!!
11:16
You are a wonderful example of a parent who truly takes care of their child.
Halevei all parents were like you.
PARENTS, when your’e child is trying to tell you he’s hurting,
LISTEN,
DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
Don’t ignore issues because you’re worried about Shidduchim.
As previously touched on by some. Parents, Rabbeim and businessmen all need to start behaving and living like a yid. This includes being respectful to others (driving and walking), doing mitzvos with the proper attention (davening) and business Al Pe Torah (taxes and stealing). Our children see many of us with different hashkofos and professions cutting corners, they just cut them further. Lets not criticize only the schools, if we are better role models our children will be better. It is hypocritical to expect our children to be better then us.
9:51 a.m.
Your’e asking how we dare blame the parents, yeshivas, and friends?
Are you putting all of the blame on the children? If so, you are in denial. Ask anyone who works with these precious children.
I am a father of a child who falls in the category of being at risk.He is very shy and he has difficulty in socializing.He attended one of the outstanding Brisk producing Yesivahs.
In order to prepare him for Brisk the Rosh Hayeshiva in middle of the year made a new Takona The Rabayem were not allowed to speak English with talmedim only Yiddish.Needless to say learning STOPED in the Yeshiva.But the RH did not care.
I begged the Hanola to work with me but they did not.
I stopped my work and learned wityh my son every night in Bais Medresh for the entire night seder I sent my son to a different Yeshiva which not the private business of its Rosh Hayesiva and most importantly I sent him to collage at night after a full day in yeshiva.
He is now running a 3.7 index and more importantly he is receiving praise from his professors somthing no person in chinuch ever gave him.
The professional Mechanchim who put him down (these Mechanchim were pros and the Yeshiva charged tuition for pro rabbeyam) are having difficulty dealing with my sons sucess.They still talk down to him and openly mock when they meet him.
Dispite everything he is a beautiful NESHOMA he allways learns davens and makes me proud.
I am more proud of him then his brothers who are ib Brisk Yeshivas in Eretz Yisroel.
The Yeshiva and Camp administators will have to answer for their misdeeds not helping parents with their children
They should have schools in the summer with maybe a week or two off 2 months vacation is sick
as a mother of a teenager I felt it was my responsibility to try and speak to these kids just to let them know that there are other options on a saturday night.Ohr Yitzchok has abbq every motzei shabbos in woodridge and Ohr naava will be renting out a bowling alley for girls.The problem with todays teenagers are a whole mixture of issues.How dare anyone point fingers to parents,yeshivas,rabbeim.Each child is unique and what causes them to choose this path is different in every situation.Its time for each and every person to realize that it is OUR PROBLEM.These kids could be your nephew,niece,neighbor,rabbis son daughter.This affects everyone from all walks of life.It doesnt discriminate between rich and poor,yeshivish/chassidish/lubavitch.They were all there motzei shabbos.People need to get more involved with organizations like these and stop lamenting the problem and actually start DOING something.
To “So we emphasize gemorah above all else and the result is losing so many souls because nobody respected them as Jewish neshomas. Why? because they didn’t know gemorah. Gemorah is not for everybody. There are many sifrei kodesh to learn. So much beauty in them but they are generally ignored in yeshivas. We either change the system or we lose more souls, Chas v’sholom.
-August 1, 2007 7:10 PM “
Brilliant words. Halevei they would be taken seriously and bring forth sorely needed changes.
at least his father is a lawyer
to the guy who understood this – whose parents were divorced when he was 12 . . . perhaps your lack of a stable home life had more to do with it than an uncaring yeshiva.
It is your PARENTS job to love and nurture you. It is a school’s job to educate you and teach you responsibility. Don’t blame the schools for not giving you love.
Let’s stop blaming anonymous yeshiva administrators when it is our parenting and neglect that is causing this machala.
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Anonymous said…
to Anonymous 7:10 pm.
Well said. I’ll add that we should be taught the beauty of mitzvos and how to fulfill them with love. What bothers me is that in shul I see many talmidei chachomim looking into seforim and gemorahs during davening and Torah reading on Shabbos , instead of davening and listening to the kriah. This sets a bad example and it’s very bizarre .
August 1, 2007 7:47 PM
I hear your pain.
Go to your local printer and make up a sign/poster that says:
Ayn lomdin Torah beshaas haTefiloh.
Get it?
Anonymous said…
What do you expect these kids to be doing on motzei shabbos.What kosher organized free or low cost events for teens are there from agudas yisroel or other such organizations. Even in the city there is no kosher place or programs for a kid to let off a little steam. Where are the seperate boys and girls community centers? Swiming pools? Gyms? Even Pirchei seems to have faded away. I am not talking about teens at risk programs. You have to have programs to keep them from being at risk in the first place. Yeshivas Shuls and organizations are putting in simcha halls in their new buildings.People who donate for these causes should direct thier donations for after school programs, facilities and events.Keep the good kids off the streets.You be surprised most kids are good.
well said my parents always complained about that they arent richys so no one cares there was a yeshiva with big financial backings that wanted to put in a pool but the ball habatim objected
WHen it comes to illegal activity like such……Fallsburg Police were only doing there job…..AND GUESS what they are not anti semetic…….Just doing there job….Regardless of religion or race….Do you think you should have special treatment?
to Anonymous 7:10 pm.
Well said. I’ll add that we should be taught the beauty of mitzvos and how to fulfill them with love. What bothers me is that in shul I see many talmidei chachomim looking into seforim and gemorahs during davening and Torah reading on Shabbos , instead of davening and listening to the kriah. This sets a bad example and it’s very bizarre .
We really don’t know the background of the Fallsburg boys , but I’ll comment on yeshivas in general , since there are comments here about them.
Who is considered a good talmid?
A kid that has a guten kup and knows his gemarah baal peh. Ok. let’s reward this talmid because he deservs it. However , at least 50% of children and bochorim are not such good learners. These are generally cast aside even if they have good middos.
We have tunnel , limited vision. We have to turn out boys and girls who will be ehrlich , true to Yiddishkeit and be fulfilled as religious Jews. We need to teach hashkofoh, Jewish history and ahavas Hashem. Yiddishkeit should not be measured by how many blatt of gemorah one knows , but how much feeling and respect one has for Judaism.
So we emphasize gemorah above all else and the result is losing so many souls because nobody respected them as Jewish neshomas. Why? because they didn’t know gemorah. Gemorah is not for everybody. There are many sifrei kodesh to learn. So much beauty in them but they are generally ignored in yeshivas. We either change the system or we lose more souls, Chas v’sholom.
504 the “parents” are at fault is a little tough. you cant keep a 18 year old on a leash
To Anon 5:48pm;
Evidently you ask your “Rebbe” what you want but don’t necessarily follow all the Rebbe says. If you don’t know his opinion already, ask him if you may blog on the internet. Even if you have it only at work. (Why are you at work at 6pm?)
You made some nice points otherwise, but I had to “call your bluff”.
said good.
Having read “all” the above comments with some being better than others I have come to the same conclusion that I seem to get to on any issue rising to the agenda. We must respect our Gedolim and each of us having a Rav Rosh Yeshiva or Rabbi whose ways we will follow and not waver no matter our own opinion on certain issues. You must select someone whom you will have full trust in and have the courage to seek his advice when needed. Today’s days we have stooped so low that we believe we are smarter and our Rabbonim are so naive that instead of having them guide us we slander and ridicule them at every opportunity. In all generations as much as certain Tzadikim disagreed shaming each other was out of the question as it was for their followers. In every controversial circumstance whether it be concerts dress codes or even camps we must seek out our gadol who we feel comfortable discussing issues with and ask his opinion. I am B”h a Chassid and would not budge without asking my Rebbe at least for a brocho whether it be an upsherin date for my youngster, The day and date I should move in to my new home or if I should take that job or not The security it provides me knowing I have someone greater than me looking out for me and being mispallel for my success is the most soothing thought!
What do you expect these kids to be doing on motzei shabbos.What kosher organized free or low cost events for teens are there from agudas yisroel or other such organizations. Even in the city there is no kosher place or programs for a kid to let off a little steam. Where are the seperate boys and girls community centers? Swiming pools? Gyms? Even Pirchei seems to have faded away. I am not talking about teens at risk programs. You have to have programs to keep them from being at risk in the first place. Yeshivas Shuls and organizations are putting in simcha halls in their new buildings.People who donate for these causes should direct thier donations for after school programs, facilities and events.Keep the good kids off the streets.You be surprised most kids are good.
the parents are guilty 1000 percent. there is no way to be right when u let your teen hang out without supervision. they probably knew that their children r not big tzadikem… they should rot in prison atleast a year & than check in in rehab for another year
publish it evreywhere jewish press yated all jewish papers it is time to wake up all parents and tachers it should be published every week
Each person is given the ability to make their own choices. To blame anyone else is a society copout. leave the parents alone. We are missing the bigger picture the difficulty that these boys are faced with can be a wake up call for them to take responsibility for their actions which in turn will help them lead productive lives
i am very angry on the fallsburg police dept. not because they arrested those 5 drug dealers, (who happen to be jewish) i am angry because they should have arrested every body at this “crime party”. & they should have charged the parents of all minors with child abuse, why in the world should a father or mother let their 16/17 year old hang out without supervision. & this children deserve to be severly punished, & if you ask me if beaten too, my answer is YES! the generation which got beaten by their holocaust survived parents looks better than our liberal proffesional generation, this kids are the future child molasters, because drugs adiction brings other adictions. & when they will be shoqt in money to buy drugs they will come to our mikvas & than you will search for your vallet
3:54, thank you for your honest and frank comments. Hoping some Machanchim are reading these comments and most of all, yeshiva principals. And, yes, it would be most apropriate for (male) teachers to go through state testing so the good rebbeim can be sought and the bad ones can be weeded out and hopefully find another parnassah which doesn’t ruin our children’s lives.
bad boy i know better