Jerusalem – A few days before the planned massive demonstration against the ultra-Orthodox draft law on Sunday, members of Belz threatened a “mass reduction” of their presence in Israel.
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As reported by Maariv (http://bit.ly/1mHc6IF) the Hasidic group has made their plans to immigrate to the United States and Europe.
According to an Israeli paper, U.S. senators have promised assistance to those planning to leave Israel and will help in obtaining refugee status for all Haredi families who choose to leave.
Earlier this week, a historic conference of rabbinical councils was held in Bnei Brak over the growing anxiety of the draft law. Thirty rabbis from Agudate Israel, Shas and Degal HaTorah attended the meeting to represent the effect of the law on the Orthodox public.
A mass protest rally is planned for Sunday, the day before the law will be brought to a vote in the plenum. Also part of the vote – the inclusion of criminal sanctions against those who do not enlist.
Organizers hope to reach a record participation of one million people at the protest.
What will exactly be the down side for Israel if they leave?
I dont see belz actually leaving their multi-million dollar shul and institutions on Israel. Sorry, don’t buy it. empty threats that I doubt Israelis would be sorry about.
The exit is that way>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Great – increase Medicaid and welfare recipients and make the citizens here pay – real cool –
Hey if they head to Brooklyn think of where real estate prices will go. Though it may be more affordable for them to go to Belz. I am sure the Ukkies would be thrilled to have them.
And if they come to the USA ?
Is there any doubt that they will join Medicaid section 8 and food stamps.?
Or they will fall on to the shoulders of an already over stretched and near bankrupt Jewish organizations.
In USA there is a limit on how many years one can collect benefits.I think after a while here they will be davening to go back to the land of milk and honey .
Israel is the best country to live and not work and claim toiroso eminuso.No other country will stand for their nonsense.
This is great news for those of us wanting to buy second homes in Israel, can’t wait until they leave!
Come to Monsey!! We need more overcrowded housing and streets.
you guys dont get! if the draft law will pass, ALL cheridim will leave. the US has around 300m people 47% (according to Romney) live off the gov. the rest receive free schooling, SS, Medicare etc. + we have around 10m illegal aliens, So im sure uncle sam can accommodate a few belzer יושבים to, without reaching into your dinner plates. relax live and let live.
They should go back to the old Shtetl. Just take route 1 from Jerusalem to the airport.
Have a safe flight.
I don’t get it.!!! Isn’t it a mitzvah to defend Eretz Yisrael and the lives of your loved ones against an enemy? Didn’t Moshe dispatch an army to fight Amalek? And wasn’t it the tzadikim who were usually selected to go out to battle in ancient times? Why are they so reluctant to fulfill their obligations of service in one capacity or another? How frum can they be if they’re so concerned that serving in the army will corrupt their religious values?. It’s the same battle that we all have to wage against the Yaitzer Harah every minute of our lives.
hmm, and Russia just announced their equivalent of an EB-5 visa program. Sounds like a win-win…
Wait-refugee status? They are way too loose with that standard…
Israel is the ONLY country in the world with a mandatory draft for women. Now based on the epidemic proportions of molestation of women in the US army, we don’t have to imagine to much the serious issues these women face. This is a tremendous chillul Hashem.
And what exactly is the threat?
They can do whatever they want. It is clear that, once they get here, more than half of them will stop learning and go to work. And that is the point isn’t it.
More welfare and food stamps here in NY
They were promissed refuge status by US senators? ? ?
I’m laughing so hard I’m crying. What a totaly foolish sheker statement. The whole maisa lost all credibility at that point.
They should go so where else besides the US, we cant pay for more welfare.
I don’t even know how to respond to this nonsense. They are all going to pick up en masse and come to America? That will be that much less people taking from Israel while giving nothing back. So really it’s no big deal.
The Belzer Rebbe Shlita is an ish kodosh as well as a very clever and astute man. If he is threatening to leave Eretz Yisroel there must be a good reason for it. Stop making fun !
For years there was a massive unemployment problem. How come noone ever threatened to leave due to financial concerns? Perhaps they liked the handouts and everybody learning and so it never bothered them?
stop bluffing you ain’t going nowhere you staying there you really want to send them a message do as the SATMERAR RABBI always used to say don’t take any money from them then your not obligated to do anything they can’t tell you what to do he always used to say it is gona come a time thet a erlicher yid will not be able to live in eretz yisroel the Sina for a yid is the same as in Europe
the Eiruv rav is alive and well.
If all you people were alive during Chanukah times ud b on the side.of the Greeks.
First off the Chareidim financially believe it or nor contribute massively to the Israel economy in so many ways.
Those sick people who post here are.just Jewish antisemites. The TOIRAH IS AT STAKE HERE AND YOU PEOPLE DEFEND TGE EVIL ONESS????
SHAME SHAME SHAME
MI L’H ASHEM EILAI
our whole being ia depending on the chareidim learning toirah.
anyone who doesn’t realize that is a fool
Its not a bad threat. The Zionists who want to keep Israel Jewish should take notice and offer a compromise that will be acceptable to vast majority of Haredim who cannot learn all day and would like to earn a living. Certainly the IDF is not neither prepared nor do they look like they are trying to prepare to accept a large contingency of Haredim. Obviously the Shaked Bill is a work in progress which has addressed only one side of the issue and has failed to address the other. This is what definition of debate is all about and the outcome is far from settled. On the other hand if the proper compromises are made, whatever that constitutes, and still there is an objection I guess some people will have to become Yordim. They will not be the first Israelis to carry that distinction eventhough they might be the most public.
Its a great thing to serve your country and its good for the teens discipline and self esteem as well. Just have a special chareidi unit and problem solved.
When the Nazis came after the Jews we also tried to flee.
Now, the situation is that they are going to put all religious Jews in jail (reminds me of concentration camps) for refusing to join the army. We might have to flee in a worst case scenario.
Oh, please!! They will not get refugee status and anyway it’s not that easy to emigrate to the U.S. The guy is crying wolf nobody is leaving Israel. How about Australia, Canada, South Africa??? I’m sure they’ll welcome them with open arms!
Outrageous!! The comments here are beyond acceptable. The Belzer Rebbe is a Tzadik and Kadosh. A decision to leave made by the Rebbe is highly significant and could lead to further desertions. It would be a tragedy for Israel. Who will remain? Jews who don’t know what Torah is?
One should be careful about maligning a Rebbe. The underlying agenda of drafting Yeshiva Bochurim is to uproot Orthodoxy. Mixing a Yeshiva guy with less religious and anti-religious boys may result in more OTD cases than we already have. Throughout the times of the Neviim besides for the actual soldiers who fought with weapons, there was a great portion of the people who were tasked with learning Torah for the sole purpose of military success.
Sounds more like music to most Israelis ears than a threat. If it’s so bad for them in Israel, they should be encouraged to leave and even given free one way tickets.
to #39
ever hear of Yeshivat Hesder?
They remind me of children, who when they don’t get their way say: “I will run away from home!”
Who says it’s a threat? They have to do what’s necessary to protect themselves. They left Europe because of what the goyim did, and they’ll leave EY because of what the Zionists do.
If China would invest trillions in Israel there would be no reason for anyone to leave and every Jewish would have the choice weather to study, work, attend yeshiva or leave the country to work in China or elsewhere. China already bought chemical giant Agam Machtishim Israel and China Bright Dairy Co is in negotiations to purchase Dairy giant Tenuva Israel for a few billion dollars. China would be thrilled to take in Belz as chinese history proves their track record of caring for the Jews during the Holocaust by providing refuge in Shanghai, Harbin, and Tianjin.
The Chinese favor and look up to the Jewish people for many reasons.
The “yotai” people remind them of confucious who believed in basic ethic tenets.
I suspect that anyone of age to serve in the army would not even be allowed to leave the country.
Good thing that the Macabiim did not run away.
Its settled B”H. If they all come to America, we need to look at the benefits
1. They won’t be able to topple R’ Moshe’s Matzeiva next yuhrzeit
2. The yiden in America will save thousands by not having to buy plane tickets to next Belzer chassineh
3. Yerushalayim will only have 1 REAL hechsher -from the Eida. No more Belzer hechsairim. The Eida will remain in E.Y. since they and the Neturei Karta are aligned with the arabs
B”H The good times are coming.
Now that the Rebbe of Satmar KJ went to visit the Belze Rebbe i believe that he will welcome them all to Kiryes Joel…we have plenty of room in KJ and they call imigrate to KJ USA
how could the leave Israel and leave Israel and all the Jews their unprotected. Without their Torah learning Israel will not survive they are condemning thousand to death
Why cant the yeshivashe velt make a home guard where the students can learn how to defend their family s and country? They can have totally frum leaders sergeants , generals and etc. and the medina will be O.K.with that.
Palestine or Jordan is close to move to just a short drive let them move there.
what rigths do the secoler society have to e.y. toras moyse wee cheridim were there before the chlocim came they were the representive of the “klal yisroel bgoile hacheraim ldvar hasem” all the time since the chorben the chlocim came like coloniaser fighting against the “yisof hayuson” and the arabs they undermined the yewish yisof in alll arabic contrys direcly and underectly criated antisimisum allover theworld now the want to undermin the yesod hamamid the klal yisroel they do not need those bechorim for the army for defence it is a repid of YALDY TEHERAN ADAS TIMON YALDY MOROKO HOYO OBER B>H> lLOY YIYE all you or most of you poster coments hate spels out from your lines sure there are lidig gayers but 80% of chreidimm are hart working tax payers smol buisnes the “ramban” paskens when you are in scones smat” you have to move to the midbor hi was ultra tow IC ICY VSIFOR DABRI DOVER VLOY YUKIM KI MON KAYL wee are in solidaroti with our gdoylim h. yrich yomom
Any rationalization to live in “goldene medina”
I hereby offer free one-way tickets out of Eretz Yisroel to any destination on the planet, restricted to members of any Haredi (Litvishe or Chasidishe) community. The only catch is that you must agree never to return to Ha’Aretz. Please contact me at once.
My father just showed me your reply to his post. Not sure what more he could have accomplished with the education you propose he get. He came to the US states as 14 year old orphan having survived Hitler’s hell and built up a multi-million dollar company. He pays more taxes a year than you’ll probably ever earn in your lifetime. Heck he can even give you a job if you need one. You can become one of his 250 employees. Proper English not a requirement. G-d fearing though is!!!
actually, we are planning on turning it into a giant IMAX
It’s not just that they don’t need the haredim, there’s a huge movement in this country to go away from a drafted army and start with what’s called a professional army. An Army like the United States, where people get paid for the job they’re doing. It’s not my idea, there are many respected academics that are advocating for this.
There are obviously pros and cons to this, but believe it or not, such an army would be less expensive to run, not more expensive.
I’m a modern-ish rabbi, and I agree that we need to do our portion and serving the country, but none of the orthodox Jews in United States send their children to the Army, because they feel there are more valuable routes to pursue in life.
If Israel would have a professional army, then everyone would make a choice whether they feel this is the route for them.
But in any case don’t fool yourself into thinking that a draft is particularly necessary in Israel, it no longer is!
In 1942 , month of August Chaim Rumkowski was advised that all old people and children will be resettled euphemism for gas chambers and arrived empty and in the afternoon left loaded with men, women and children guarded by camouflaged wearing SS , Einsatzgruppen for Treblinka and sometimes in the evening you walked and there near barbed a Yid lied on the pavement shot because the
Schupo was cold and Jew passed by so for fun a bullet in his head. Yes there were minyaminim and people davened. Then there was Buchenwald and the chimney puffed out flames and smoke smelling of burned hair day and night and you walked by and there naked emaciated bodies lied in the mud. Yes, block 66 had a boys minyan. Those who survived some said they enough of Yiddishkeit and dropped out cannot blame them but others continued as their mothers and fathers taught them. Then you read the stupid entries on this website. There was nowhere to flee and nobody to lift a gun or had a gun to defend another Jew. Torah is ahavas yisroel, meaning any Yid who wears a hat and does not wear a hat. It means feeding hungry children , it mean visiting the sick and most of all ahava for another Yid.
Firstly, I learned in the Mir too. And its a great Makom torah. I learned and didn’t play around.
Now yes tourism will get hit a bit but I doubt enough to turn the net payments formly paid to all the yingerlit into a loss.
Re why hebrew Unversity and not the mir? Two reasons. 1) Eventually many go to work and contribute back to the economy and so its an investment. 2) I don’t believe the amount of people attending unversities are as much as the people learning in kollel for life.
Re why not the arabs. Thats a silly argument. As much as the tzionim won’t admit it. We are still in golus. The way to survive is the shmear our enemies. And so yes theoretically you are correct but if you don’t want them to blow us up we have no choice