Borough Park, NY – Police: Investigating Serial Predator Attacks Difficult Due To Lack Of Cooperation From Family

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    Borough Park, NY – Detectives fear a serial sex predator is stalking Borough Park, and are frustrated by the lack of cooperation they’re getting from one victim’s family, The Post has learned.

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    The Hasidic family of a 14-year-old girl sexually assaulted on Aug. 3 is not helping detectives hunting her attacker, according to a police source familiar with the investigation.

    “The detectives have hit a stone wall right now,” the source said. “Beyond a basic interview, they are not getting any cooperation.”

    The family appears concerned about the girl’s identity getting out, which would greatly limit her chances of eventually getting married within the tight-knit religious culture, community leaders and neighbors said last week.

    Based on DNA evidence, police have connected the attack to the predator who snatched a 4-year-old Hasidic girl on July 16, 2007.

    Detectives suspect that the fiend is a serial sex attacker, and that other victims may not have come forward, according to the police source.

    “Serial rapists by definition don’t stop at one or two,” the insider said.

    Assemblyman Dov Hikind, who represents the area, acknowledged the sociological hurdles the police are facing.

    “Unfortunately, the shame and all these other concerns come in the picture,” he told The Post. “But this is something that we have to overcome in our communities.

    “Sometimes these concerns, real or perceived, overpower the need to protect the community from evil criminal individuals. For someone not to cooperate verges on a violation of law.”

    The police were careful not to identify the 4-year-old victim last summer, but many in the close Hasidic community quickly found out.

    “Everybody knew everything about everything,” one neighbor said last week. “There were text messages sent out with the exact location.”

    After both assaults, the NYPD quickly parked a mobile command unit in the area and added foot patrols.

    Over the past several weeks, the department has also positioned sporadic roadblocks near where the girls were snatched and found.


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    anonymous
    anonymous
    15 years ago

    It’s bad enough for the family in general, and for the girl in particular. The way these insensitive detectives investigate such a case, expecting the victim to describe and relive in minute detail the entire nightmare, is harmful both in gashmiyus and in ruchniyus. The child nebach, is trying to get it out of her mind, and try to live a normal life, but these “detectives” want to enjoy themselves. How often do they get a chance to discuss these things, legally, with a 14 year old.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    the family is concerned when she will get married but to lie when the time comes is not a problem. and the other kids that this animal may put his hands on is also not a problem

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    This is inexcusable, I don’t understand why they can’t cooperate confidentially. They would rather let a serial rapist be on the loose in our community claiming chas v’sholom more victims just not to shame the family. where is the logic in that.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    This is always the problem in our community. Don’t these parents realize that the only chance in h-ll their daughter has of ever being normal, is to allow her to assist in the criminal prosecution? Victims of these types of crimes need some sort of closure, and what they are doing is going to cause more damage.

    Sadly, I know of a few cases where victims of sexual abuse did not follow through, and they are paying the price now. One of these cases is causing a divorce right now, in the frum BP community, where a girls family didn’t “want her to go through the trauma, and let her forget it and move on with her life”, well she moved on, never got the help she needed, and now is getting divorced with 3 kids.

    Is this what this victims parents want??

    We as the community need to come out, and wake up the people to realize that this way of dealing with problems never helps.

    DO THE RIGHT THING FOR YOUR CHILD AND FUTURE GENERATIONS AND CO-OPERATE WITH THE DETECTIVES!!!

    Moishe Zichmich
    Moishe Zichmich
    15 years ago

    To Anonymous 10:22: you are a shoite and a perv yourself if you say that detectives want to have field day with this 14 year old girl. For starters they are parants themselves and in most cases it is a sensative and skillfull WOMAN detective who talks to the girl. I know you would love to question that girl yourself but furtunately the legal system is a bit more in order than you’d like

    Milhouse
    Milhouse
    15 years ago

    Anon 10:25, did you not read the article. I’m sure the family would be delighted to cooperate confidentially, if they could be sure of the police keeping that confidence. But the last time someone trusted the police with such information it “somehow” leaked out, and everyone knew it. The police cannot be trusted with confidential information, ever, so if you have something that you can’t afford to get out your only choice is not to tell them.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    well we have to make sure and gurnette the the family that no information what so ever will come out i dont understand why this cant be done there is a dangeras bitter animal outtere we are all in danger are we waiting Chas veshalm for another victim he will strike again and if everybody will be quite it will be a disaster we have to make sure that this so callled big shots of police askanim dont know the names and information as well this information has to be taken to another location preicnt with a lawer and an assurance that ther eiwll be no leakes but we must get this animal off teh streest before there is another victim

    Complicated
    Complicated
    15 years ago

    Raboisai, please don’t judge; al tudin es chaveiroch ad shetagia limkoimoi !

    Imagine you’re own child being the victim. Would you take one chance in a million to have it publicized and ruin her chances for a normal shidduch?

    There’re issues here that only a KING Solomon can advise and unfortunately last I heard there’s none around! Yes Dov Hikind, this includes you too.

    Hashem Yereicheim.

    AuthenticSatmar
    AuthenticSatmar
    15 years ago

    Contrary to the article, the police have spoken extensively to the girl. The police are blaming their lack of being able to find this guy on someone else. Where were the police all year long? They had a full year to investigate and found nothing.

    For the victim to describe what was done to her will not catch the perp. She has already given a detailed description of the attacker as well as the car involved. Any further interviews would do little to solve the crime. Stop blaming the victim. She has already suffered plenty. We should demand better protection from the NYPD.

    We also need to demand that the NYPD stop harrasing the Shomrim who are trying to fill the holes that the NYPD are leaving. The community must also do a better job supporting the Shomrim. The Shomrim have come a long way from the bunch of thugs that would roam the street. They are a group of trained and erliche individuals who donate from their time to help keep the community safe. We need to stop rejecting kids from cheder just because their father is a Shomrim member. We need to stop criticizing their driving and parking just because they are a Shomrim member. When they will get the respect they deserve from this community, you can rest assured they will be more willing to do even more.

    Chacham Mah Nishtana
    Chacham Mah Nishtana
    15 years ago

    the family is concerned when she will get married but to lie when the time comes is not a problem. and the other kids that this animal may put his hands on is also not a problem

    by Anonymous on 2008-08-31 at 10:23 AM

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    It has nothing to do with lying in the futue. Many will marry such a girl if it is only known within the close family and revealed in a discreet way. If it’s pulic knowledge then it’s much harder.

    anonymous
    anonymous
    15 years ago

    Has anybody inquired (or even interested) what daas torah is, as to what the parents and thsi girl are supposed to do. I, personally, have never heard of a situation where one is supposed to jeapordize their life for the possible welfare of even an entire community. I know that if it were any of you goody goodies out there, youo wouldn’t either.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    Why in the world should or would being the victim of a crime — even rape — interfere with a shidduch? Anyone who would hold that against someone is only one tiny step above the assailant, and just serves to exacerbate the crime. Who would want to marry into a family or have a child marry into a family where having been the victim of an assault is such a negative? Are those real torah values?

    tzaddik ben Torah
    tzaddik ben Torah
    15 years ago

    Let some of the detectives (female) disguise themselves as teenagers and roam the streets at certain hours. The perp may get the bait.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    The NYPD get alot of credit for the increased security and patrol in the community over the last few weeks they are noticed every few blocks on foot patrol and patrol cars hopefully this thug gets barred for a long time very soon.

    anon
    anon
    15 years ago

    1154. No one would reject a person bec they were raped, but those people if not helped properlly can have intimacy issues which can destroy a marriage.

    Don
    Don
    15 years ago

    The only way for this victim to get this evil event out of her life is to

    A. Get therapy for her and other family members

    B. Cooperate with police

    C. See the perpetrater arrested and convicted

    D. The neighborhood Yenta network should not make a spectacle of her or her family (its not police who intentionally leak the victims ID it is “well intentioned” neighbors).

    Lack of cooperation will guarantee there will be other victims and in the same community because the perp knows – misplaced shame and silence equal his freedom to do evil to other innocent victims

    I hope the victims family can put this behind them and have happy healthy lives.

    JBC
    JBC
    15 years ago

    Don Says:

    “(its not police who intentionally leak the victims ID it is “well intentioned” neighbors).”

    ————————————————–

    How true. People need to learn to mind their own business. Also, the fact that this girl is now somehow tainted and will have trouble finding a marriage partner speaks volumes of the horrible attitudes and hypocricies of many in the community. I’ve seen people post how there are so many tragedies lately and how it is time to do teshuva. Well why don’t we start right here. Respect peoples privacy and stop being so judgmental! Make them feel like they are still part of the community and make them feel that this does not affect their standing!

    Lock & Load
    Lock & Load
    15 years ago

    I understand the family of these girl….

    Theres a lot of pressure put on our community when it comes to finding a shidach….

    I am sure the Police Department have other ways to find this Animal…

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    Anon 12:11: I wished you were correct, but that is not the message that is being sent by the commentators or the community. Even you are assuming that there will be “intimacy issues.” The community needs to make clear that there is no such thing as damaged goods. There is no greater reason to believe that someone who has been raped will have more intimacy issues than someone who has never even held hands with a member of the opposite sex and then all of a sudden is supposed to be fully intimate on their wedding night.

    balabusta
    balabusta
    15 years ago

    I hate to say this but, maybe it is a yid and that’s why this is hush hush.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    Last year after the tragedy of the 4 year old people pleaded with Felder to do something about it, he ignored all the cries from the community. Only once Dov Heikind got involved then we get to see things happening. Thank you Dov!

    listen & learn
    listen & learn
    15 years ago

    This matter truthfully belongs for Gedolei Hador.It is not in the realm of ‘blog posts’ to decide the correct way to proceed.

    Unfortunately this is not an isolated case. Peruse the responsa of the Noda B’yehuda and you find many similar stories including incest r”l.

    anon
    anon
    15 years ago

    125.I did not express myself well. I meant that in terms of a rape victim, the problems that emerge because of the trauma lead to later problems in a relationship. This can be emotional and sexual. Now if you want to talk about problems arising from the sudden intimacy of a wedding night, that’s altogether different. ( BTW if you grow up in a normal environment you should be ok. I mean where being frum does not equal shame.)

    Yenta
    Yenta
    15 years ago

    Whoever wrote that the cops ‘enjoy’ talking to a 14 year old is a sick puppy and certainly doesn’t represent the Boro Parkers I know.

    That being said I don’t blame the family at all for not cooperating, and NOT because of the cops but becouse os CERTAIN so-called Askanim and Machers who do more damage than good.

    If these dopes can’t keep something a secret they are disqualified in being an Asken in the first place.

    boropark
    boropark
    15 years ago

    the nypd put a mobil on 12 av about 2 weeks the officers didn’t even know what they’re looking for and the video on top didn’t work the described car came by again we were hoping that it was recorded but a nechtigen tug they don’t do the job & r blaming the family & community

    Thinking aloud
    Thinking aloud
    15 years ago

    I think the cops have a point and so does the family. You can’t have the cops coming to the home because of all the yentas on the block, perhaps they can meet at police headquarters discreetly. Also, alot of people including the family might feel they have enough info, leave us alone. While I can certainly understand this feeling, people have to know that sometimes esp. in cases like this, the mind blocks out alot of it. Sometimes by repeating the story over and over, the victim all of a sudden remembers a significant detail that wasn’t told yet; eg. a certain birth mark or tatoo or some other clue. In order to help the cops solve this case, in order to prevent further tragidies, please everyone try to find some common ground and come to some agreement to be able to help the cops do their duty!

    to anon. 1:25
    to anon. 1:25
    15 years ago

    B”H you’ve never met someone who has been sexually assaulted. That is quite obvious from the post that you left.

    Sorry to dissappoint you, but having been involved with girls (who are now woman) who were assaulted to one degree or another (never mind rape) I have to tell you that being assaulted is NOT equal to the first marriage night.

    There are issues that come up, you should never have to know of it.#1 issue is the concept of violation. Wedding night is not violation, it is full consent. That is a MAJOR issue, which isn’t that simple to solve. Even therapy. because not all therapies are equal, and not all therapists are helpful, and some even cause more harm then help along the way.

    Skeptical
    Skeptical
    15 years ago

    Anon 10:22 – I work in administrative law for a law enforcement agency – your comments about detectives “enjoying” talking to a 14 year old victim of a sexual assault are way off base. Generally, only women detectives and social workers, and very specially trained ones at that, would talk with the girl – and the sensitivity these professionals exhibit is stunning. Those who thwart the investigation of this crime this will bear part of the responsibility when the perpetrator claims more victims. It does not protect bnos Yisroel to keep quiet.

    Diane
    Diane
    15 years ago

    “The child nebach, is trying to get it out of her mind, and try to live a normal life, ”

    Well repressing it is not exactly healthy “anon”

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    The community is wrong for not cooperating with our great 66th Pct., ha ha. Where is The Captain DiBlasio during all these?? The pct isnot being patrolled correctly for many years. I used to feel safe here. Pray for us

    Emes
    Emes
    15 years ago

    Cops are busy giving parking tickets now that the crowd is back from the country. On alternate parking days they sit with tickets ready at 10:59 A.M. and start filling in the plate numbers at 11:00 A.M. This can happen only in Boro Park. Yes, we have Mr. Hikind and Mr. Felder but both are not supportive to those who receive unjust parking tickets. They just tell you to pay it!

    Yet, when you pass the 66th precinct, you find their patrol cars blocking the paths which makes it easy to wheel carriages and wheelchairs. They park on the corner where it says No Parking on 59th corner 16th avenues. If you want i can email these pictures that i took while trying to wheel my wheelchair bound parent. This is day in and day out. The females there especially love to honk and use the sirens and laugh. Much of their vocabulary is vulgar. Of course you don’t want to discuss this with such people. Only undercover cops should be involved.

    Yossel
    Yossel
    15 years ago

    its very sad to see a girl get abused but its evan worse to see that her parents think they are protec ting her when evryone will find out anyways so she might as well stand up forherself to protect the rest of her freinds before its to late

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    All the cops and investigators need to know is the description of the attacker and the car and that was already given. There’s no reason for the cops nor anyone else to dig deeper as to what exactly he did. It’s none of anyone’s dirty business.

    anonymous
    anonymous
    15 years ago

    I saw this comment on another website and thought it was worth considering.

    CN wrote:

    Compare with the story of Dina, who wouldn’t come out of Schem’s home until Shimon promised to marry her.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    very interesting how everyone has advise for the parents wonder how theses same advice giving bloggers would act if put in an exact situation?? how can u blame the parents with so many askonim involved already that half of BP knows besides “dov hikinds office/staff” wonder if he/askonim who know the identy would consider taking this girl for a daughter in-law knowing what they know?

    can u blame the parents for wanting to forget about this awful tragic attack and get on with life? this issue should be decided by a godol together with professionals not by dov hikind or other parents living in BP who are worried about their own kids and not about someone elses feelings and shame

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    Many of the bloggers here have a point:

    Yes, the cops are far from Perfect and some use vulgar language…..

    Yes, the girl and her family must be protected by staying anonymous…….

    Yes, the perpetrator must be caught and brought to justice and some cooperation from the girl is crucial …….

    Yes, maybe (it is a possibility) the perpetrator is jewish….???

    Possibly the Jenta-network in the community does more potential harm to the girl and her familt then the police…..

    Now, how is one to proceed?It’s not an easy decision !

    Hashem Yerachem.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    i dont blame the rapist, i blame the community for their insular and hostile views

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    This girl’s family is doing their daughter a tremendous disservice. I am a frum, married, 31 year old mother of two who was sexually assaulted when I was 16. I did not initially tell my parents. Only after my behaviour deteriorated and I was completely out of control did they drag me kicking and screaming to a family therapist. The truth eventually came out, however, my parents, like this girls parents were worried about the news leaking out. I never got the therapy I needed as a teenager. Only when my married life started being affected did I go for counselling with my husband to get through this. I am FAR from over it, but what a shame that I could have started getting help 15 years ago. This girl MUST go for therapy. This will not just go away!

    Thinking aloud
    Thinking aloud
    15 years ago

    To anon. @4:35PM,

    Thank you for sharing. I would like your opinion on my comment of what I wrote  test:21PM about repeating the story – that the more you repeat it – the clearer it becomes. And I only mean repeating it to professionals like the police or mental health professionals.

    peaceful
    peaceful
    15 years ago

    Help me out here. How does “working with the detectives” have anything to do with getting therapy and healing this girl?

    It’s amazing the intelligence one encounters in these posts!

    All you leidigeiers go patrol the streets instead of passing judgement.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    To peaceful: What I was trying to convey was what happened to me as a result of my parents not reporting my abuse for fear of what would happen if the news got out. This guy haunted me for years. It was not a case of a stanger attacking me, it was someone who was known to my family. He would call me constantly and tell me over and over again that if I told anyone I would never be able to get married. That I would have to tell my future husband because my Kesuba would have to be different as a result of my being used and damaged goods. What did I know, I was 16 years old. He was an upstanding Yeshiva Bochur who knew alot more Halachos than I did! Even if this guy is Jewish, he must be prosecuted, you have no idea how much damage, physical and emotional, that he can inflict!

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    Kain ayin hora so many posts without one piece of information…What does the car look like???