Jerusalem – Historic: New Hecsher Approval By Rabbis On Music CDs Being Formulated

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    Controversial vocalist Lipa Schmeltzer canceled a concert at New York\'s Madison Square Garden following a meeting with Rabbi Yosef Shalom Elyashiv - Photo Credit: JpostJerusalem – Musicians who use rock, rap, reggae and trance influences will not receive rabbinic approval for their CDs, nor will they be allowed to play in wedding halls under haredi kosher food supervision, according to a new, detailed list of guidelines drafted with rabbinical backing that differentiates between “kosher” and “treif” music.

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    The guidelines, which are still being formulated, also ban “2-4 beats and other rock and disco beats;” the “improper” use of electric bass, guitars and saxophones; and singing words from holy sources in a disrespectful, frivolous manner.

    “Michael Jackson-style music has no place in our community,” says Mordechai Bloi, a senior member of the Guardians of Sanctity and Education, an organization based in Bnei Brak that enforces what it sees as normative haredi behavior.

    “We might be able to adopt Bach or Beethoven, music with class, but not goyishe African music and beats. We haredim want to protect ourselves from what we see as negative foreign influences. We are trying to maintain our own authentic music styles. We admit that times are changing, but we are trying to stay loyal to our roots.”

    This is the first time that specific, detailed criteria, including comments on playing styles, will be used to add transparency to the delineation between acceptable or “kosher” Jewish music and forbidden or “treif” music.

    The man responsible for drafting the list is Rabbi Efraim Luft of Bnei Brak, who heads an organization called the Committee for Jewish Music. Luft works in conjunction with Bloi’s organization and with the Jerusalem-based Council for the Purity of the Camp headed by Rabbi Yitzhak Meir Safronovitch. These are the two most important and influential “modesty patrols” in the haredi community.

    Bloi and Safronovitch have managed over the years to consolidate their power by successfully courting the backing of the major halachic authorities. A large portion of the haredi community, which numbers between 500,000 and 700,000, is loyal to its rabbis.

    Calls by rabbis to boycott a business, to take to the streets to demonstrate or to vote for a particular candidate are taken seriously.

    Enforcers of modesty rules working with rabbinic support have harnessed the buying power of the haredi community to put pressure on bus companies, cellular phone operators and other firms. Egged, Dan, Superbus and other bus companies now offer haredi customers separate seating on buses for men and women; cellular telephone operators provide haredi clients with cellular telephones that have no access to Internet, SMS, “fancy” ring-tones or telephone numbers with sexual content; and companies such as El Al and Shefa Shuk, a grocery store chain, have suffered from boycotts after being accused of desecrating Shabbat.

    Similarly, enforcers of haredi norms are monitoring, supervising and censoring the haredi pop music scene, with Luft spearheading the campaign. Luft has already issued a list of “kosher” and “non-kosher” bands and musicians. He said that dozens of yeshiva heads have agreed to refuse to come to the wedding of a student who hires a non-kosher band. Halls with haredi kashrut supervision who host non-kosher bands run the risk of losing their supervision, and hence their clientele. Companies that help promote haredi concerts expose themselves to the danger of a consumer boycott.

    Luft said that music is just part of a much larger problem in haredi society.

    “We see that the same people who are involved in the treif pop scene are also the ones in the unapproved news media, in the so-called religious radio stations, in film and in advertising,” said Luft. “All of these things come together to demoralize haredi society and to lower the spiritual level of our youth.

    “This is an issue that people over 30 understand very well what I am talking about and those under 30 have more difficulty understanding,” Luft continued. “This music is pushing into our community a generation gap similar to one created by the rock music of the ’50s in the US. The whole idea is that there are types of music that have no place with respectable people. Respectable people listen to decent music and immoral people list to indecent music, and it does not make sense that a community that has high moral standards should be listening to this type of music.

    “The influence of music has a very profound effect on people in general. It has been proven that rock music has a very negative effect on people and on animals and plants, while classical music has a very positive effect.”

    Over the past several years haredi activists have enlisted almost all the major rabbinical authorities to stifle a burgeoning haredi pop music scene.

    Last year, a letter forbidding all public music concerts, even when men and women in the audience are separated, was signed by a who’s-who of Israeli rabbinical authorities.

    The signatures of Rabbi Yosef Shalom Elyashiv, the Gerrer Rebbe, Ya’acov Aryeh Alter, and even leading Sephardi halachic authority and Shas mentor Rabbi Ovadia Yosef all appeared on the letter, which was published specifically to torpedo a major haredi music concert that took place in Teddy Stadium in Jerusalem.

    This summer, haredi activists banned a concert in Netanya that featured popular haredi singer Avraham Fried, who appeared together with secular performers. Despite the ban, there was a large turnout.

    In addition to a few hundred haredim who showed up, Fried also attracted Chabad followers and the Religious Zionist crowd who do not acquiesce to mainstream haredi opinion on these matters. A large group of secular fans also came to see the secular performers.

    Gad Elbaz, a young, upcoming haredi singer who is gaining popularity in non-haredi circles, held a concert similar to Fried’s. Like Fried’s Netanya concert, Elbaz’s concert also took place far from a haredi center, in Caesarea. Like Fried, Elbaz appeared together with secular performers and was thus able to draw from a mixed crowd. In an original move, Elbaz’s audience was split into three sections: women only, men only and mixed.

    However, performers who do not appeal to a wider, non-haredi audience have been hurt by the rabbinic ban. For instance, Yaakov Shwekey’s concert this summer in Kiryat Motzkin, near Haifa, was a failure. Instead of attracting a few thousand, Shwekey managed to draw an audience of just a few hundred.

    Menahem Toker, a popular haredi DJ who was reportedly fired from Radio Kol Chai under pressure from haredi activists because he promoted “treif” shows, said that the blanket prohibition against all shows is doing more harm than good.

    “Maybe a lot of people will listen to the rabbis and stop going to shows altogether,” said Toker. “But there will be tens of thousands of people who, deprived of a kosher option, will end up going to mixed shows. And not just to frum, wholesome performers like Fried and Elbaz, but to secular performers also. So maybe in a way the anti-pop music activists have won a victory. But they also lost because they have not offered a kosher alternative.”

    Sources in the haredi music scene who spoke off the record for fear they would hurt their relationship with the rabbinic representatives said they doubted the rabbinic establishment would succeed in their newest crusade against CDs.

    “What are they going to do listen to every single disc that is released? What about the thousands of discs that are already in the market?”

    Luft admitted that listening to all the discs on the market would be a formidable challenge.

    “The main aim is to focus on new songs before they get to the recording studio So far there have only been two cases in which discs have been banned by rabbis, said Luft.

    One by controversial haredi vocalist Lipa Schmeltzer called Bli Ayan Hara” (Without the evil eye) and a Yiddish rap CD by David Kalish.

    “There are certain types of music, such as rap and reggae, that are disgusting and have no place in our community.”


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    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    What’s the source for what kind of music style is “kosher” and what’s not? Who decides? As far as I’m aware, there’s nothing anywhere in the Gemara/Shulchan Aruch/Rishonim/Acharonim/etc. saying that rap or reggae are disgusting (I don’t like rap though, and is the reason that I won’t listen to it, even if it’s sung by Jews with “kosher” lyrics).

    There have been songs with non-“kosher” lyrics with rap, reggae, pop, classical, and every other kind of music, so you can’t decide based on that. There have also been songs with “kosher” lyrics to all those styles.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    how much are they going to charge for the hechsher??

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    While I too am against listening to these new styles of music, at least not until it’s considered the norm, I think they are crossing a res line. We should not bundle Hashkafa withe Kashrus. Kashrus is too important to confuse with forbidden music according to Hashkafa. It’s not like they have ladys singing.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    Boruch hashem the rabonim and askonim are keeping busy

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    The slope is getting even more slippery.

    critical
    critical
    15 years ago

    the taliban rabbis back in buisiness again.

    murray
    murray
    15 years ago

    what took them so long to make a ban on this subject?what were they thinking for the last generation?

    Been there
    Been there
    15 years ago

    Will they give a hechsher on a Yeshiva guaranteeing it to be molester free? Beating Free? Or is it only musical beats that they are concerned with?

    3rd floor bellevue!
    15 years ago

    if rav eliashiv will listen to cd’s before release, none beside tisha beav songs will be aproved. maybe he can’t hear well so lipa and co will pass the test….

    Frum yid
    Frum yid
    15 years ago

    happy purim!!!!

    FinVeeNemtMenSeichel
    FinVeeNemtMenSeichel
    15 years ago

    We do need to to do our part as parents and mechanchim to keep a tight, loving grip on our children’s neshamos. However, ya gotta be kidding – music hechsher? BTW my understanding is that Ger assers music in general outside of weddings or other seudas mitzva… (is this true? educate me, somebody). We want to attract people to torah and yiras shumayim, and this type of malarkey will (among other charedi narishkeiten) will not cut it. Now we’ll just have to burn stores that carry non-hechsher (feh!) music. My brothers and sisters, we’re losing sight of what it’s all about.

    FinVeeNemtMenSeichel
    FinVeeNemtMenSeichel
    15 years ago

    I forgot: i am all for the music hechsher tzeddek, however. ya gotta make sure there are no underpayed workers in the jewish music industry, especially the mexicans.

    anonymous
    anonymous
    15 years ago

    i am sure if the levi’im themselves put out a CD somebody would find something objectionable.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    The part I like best is “no 2-4 beats”…ummm, that leaves maybe waltzes only?

    Another small problem…there are no authentically Jewish styles of music…if it doesn’t come from rock, disco, reggae or rap, it comes from middle eastern / arabic folk music or eastern european peasant’s folk music…I guess those have somehow become kosher.

    These folks are out of their gourds (not to mention utterly ignorant).

    earl
    earl
    15 years ago

    The complaints against hechsher tzedek were that hechsherim should be limited to food. If so how do we explain this?

    ex frummie
    ex frummie
    15 years ago

    if these are the problems theyre worried about then obviously there are no REAL problems facing chareidi society and as such i might become EX EX frummie -hey ya never know

    on second thought …………

    leiby
    leiby
    15 years ago

    how much will thay pay for someone to break the bones of someone listening to aa cd without a hechsher?

    yiddishe mame
    yiddishe mame
    15 years ago

    Now the rabbis know more about Jewish music then I do. I guess they have to hear it, before paskening it Kosher. Thats Funny! They have time for that…. bittel Torah. (I do not agree with goyshe sounding music.)

    Grown rabbis dont hear most cds anyways.

    Its more the youngish crowd who listen to music.

    Hope the rabbis have fun while keeping the music kosher.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    I find it fascinating that Elbaz is considered a chareidi singer and Lipa is questionable when Elbaz’s presence is Elvis Presley-like and performs videos and sings with very non-chareidi personages and with very beaty music.

    AuthenticSatmar
    AuthenticSatmar
    15 years ago

    If there was a halachik mekor for their actions I would understand. As far as halacja is concerned, one may not hear music (live- according to most) except by a seudas mitzvah. Other than that, there is no halachic ramifications to music anywhere in halacha, not in nigleh and not in nistar.

    As to what is ‘jewish’ music, that is a subjective matter, and the Rabbonim have no business deciding.

    It’s time that we start boycotting Rabbonimthe way they boycott businesses. When they will lose their audience and money, only those that are sincere will remain.

    We need to form a committee that will set guidlines as to who is eligible to be a ruv. As it stands, anyone with a coat, beard, and hat considers himself a ruv. To be a ruv they should have to undergo extensive testing. This BS needs to stop.

    Vote McCain
    Vote McCain
    15 years ago

    There goes al that sfardi music. Oh well.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    There are no words!

    Moishe Mulva
    Moishe Mulva
    15 years ago

    If we take them seriously, then 99% of hasidic music will be banned because its origin is clearly from ‘goyish’ influences of the 18th & 19th centuries….But something tells me, what’s good for the goose is NOT good for the gander.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    The people who are behind this in getting rabonim involoved really need to find something better to do with their life. I am sure they are such “TZADIKIM” and care so much about klal yisroel. Where are these people when young neshomos were getting damaged by the sick molestors running around-why don’t they get involved with that. Don’t worry so much about the music, It is still better for our kids to be listening to Jewish Music as opposed to English music with their Lyrics. These people are a bunch of holier than thoughs who just want to show how frm they are. Cut the garbage and work on some real issues. Didn’t they learn from the whole Lipa incident which turned out to be a complete embarassment for daas torah….

    americanyid
    americanyid
    15 years ago

    Jerusalem-based Council for the Purity of the Camp headed by Rabbi Yitzhak Meir Safronovitch. These are the two most important and influential “modesty patrols” in the haredi community.

    ***** Are these the violent woman punchers, bleach throwers, and ‘get to the back of the bus’ chevra? Do we want these people to monitor the purity of our torah society? I surely do NOT.

    Musician
    Musician
    15 years ago

    I’m a frum musician who knows a thing or two about music as well as a thing or two about halacha. This article is beyond absurd, for more reasons than I could possibly express. Something like this would be expected from The Onion! There is NO possible way that any objective “kosher music” standards can be formulated by rabbis who are not practicing musicians. And good luck finding one who will help with this project!

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    i just left camp & im starting to feel like its color war all over again

    chaim36
    chaim36
    15 years ago

    a ban should be placed on LOUD music which is a health issue.

    murray
    murray
    15 years ago

    after the big event was cancelled,they are making a new one again with lipa so far.it is going to be on march 1st 2009.im not kidding

    Bal Toisif
    Bal Toisif
    15 years ago

    Fortunately, Klal Yisroel had gedolim who had their own mind and not a “herd” mentality; they were called Tanoim, Amoiruim, Geoinim, Rishonim and Achronim. None of them were driven by ASKONIM ! They said:

    KOL HAMOISIF GOIRAYA! How appropriate for this JIHAD.

    I KNOW FOR A FACT: Some Gedoilim In ISRAEL are petrified to issue a PESAK DIN on plain simple NON CONTROVERSIAL issues for fear of ASKONIM AND JIHADISTAS! And the reverse is also true. They succumb to pressure and intimidation.

    Meier
    Meier
    15 years ago

    I would say “get a life”!!!

    We must a great people. The “gedolim” have nothing more important to worry about than this nonsense. If this is Das Torah we have a problem.

    DevilsAdvocate
    DevilsAdvocate
    15 years ago

    I am finally reaching the point of having lost all respect for these so called “gedolim”. Lately, EVERYTHING they do has no halachic basis; its all power. They want to control us in every way, shape, and form. BH, I have a Rav whom I respect, and will continue to do so. The rest of these power hungry gentlemen could go fly a kite.

    Skeptical
    Skeptical
    15 years ago

    No more Taliban jokes . . . with the tznius police and this it really is getting too close for comfort. The common denominator now is attacks on decent frum people and how we live our very normal lives. In one respect, this is more frightening than Mishmeres Hatznius – here our leaders are doing it to us, not merely keeping silent while thugs are at work

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    What religion is haredi? It seems pretty harsh. Its a good thing that I am Jewish.

    yenta pesha
    yenta pesha
    15 years ago

    IT’S ZECHER L;’CHURBAN BNEIS HAMIKDOSH!!!! LISTENING TO MUSIC ISN’T SO PASHUT!!!!!

    LEARN A BLATT GEMARA with a NIGUN!!! SHTEIG AWAY!!

    LErn chsidus!!!! learn what ver your heart desires!!! listening to music is bitul zman!!!!

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    So how is Bach any more appropriate than African music? If their goal is to keep out all influences of the non Jewish world then shouldn’t all non Jewish music be banned. Or for that matter, shouldn’t the music of any Jewish composer be allowed? The haredis could then listen to a miriad of christmas carols to their hearts content. The fact that this whole thing is ridiculous and an embarassment to Jews everywhere aside, their logic MAKES NO SENSE WHATSOEVER.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    anonymous 10:40 -great point -leaving aside the [obvious] implied racism of banning “african” music -how naive do you have to be………..dont these “leaders” and askonim know that other people including non jews hear their ridiculous statements? (like the time Rav Ovadia Yosef issued those statements about new orleans or whatever it was)it was mocked all over the place…………ENOUGH

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    what a chillul Hashem. the goyim get a hold of this and we lose all credibility and are viewed as loony as the Taliban, a laughingstock. This is up there with neturei karta kissing Aminanutjob. Our “gedolim: have gone off the deep end. Time to find new gedolim who care about the important things.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    Stop sending these people money.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    now when i think of “Rabbi” i automatically associate it with naive scared men doing what the askonim want .ill tell you one thing modern orthodox rabbis arent afraid to say what THEY feel as opposed to what they think people want to hear

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    Ok. Ban music, shoes with buckles, strawberries, sheitels, water…but leave child molesters, scam artists, ganovim, money-launderers, & abusive husbands alone.

    Now I have to dig out my wife’s Burka because she’s going to Boro Park tomorrow.

    Tina
    Tina
    15 years ago

    I actually think the CD’s without the kashrus will do alot better

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    Anyone with a smidgen of music knowledge knows that most marches are in 2/4 time. That means that all marches are now banned? What will become of popular niggunim? Regarding music, we know that it affects the neshomah. Of course if your neshomah is already crooked, no music is going to make it better.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    thank goodness i dont live in haraidi israel! btw its interesting from the article that lubavitchers rabbi’s didnt ban music, maybe ill switch to lubavitch!ha! (albeit for music and l’chaim only)

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    whats next burkas and public spankings for women?? someone got to stop these lunatics. im embarassed im chasidish.

    anon for this
    anon for this
    15 years ago

    Musician, I agree with you that this is definitely a spoof. I also thought of the Onion when I read this. (I’m waiting to see what that ironic-looking African-American gentleman they feature in all of their man-in-the-street interviews has to say about this).

    Music
    Music
    15 years ago

    Music should be rated by the composers iras SHomayim, and in that case Bach and Beethoven should be banned too.

    If they want to ban music, make sure that all songs are totally composed by Frum Yidden (and not taken from other sources), that is the true guarantee that the music won’t negatively affect people.

    Everything other than that is Shtus.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    and the truth is i hear alot of jewish songs from goyish tunes

    Ban the Bans
    Ban the Bans
    15 years ago

    Time to ban these so called rabbis. Cut their money supply off and send them back to Europe for good.

    Shocked
    Shocked
    15 years ago

    Our religion is being hijacked by ignorant and unsophisticated morons. I literally have lost all faith in the current rabbinical system.

    Imy”h, vet alas zayn git.