Jerusalem – Leading Rabbi: Higher Education For Women More Damaging Than The Holocaust

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    Jerusalem – A senior haredi rabbi has suggested at a conference for high school principals held in Bnei Brak that higher education for women constitutes a more severe blow to the haredi world than the Holocaust.

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    “The furnaces of this generation are burning more than the furnaces of Auschwitz, more than the cellars of the inquisition with all their tortures, these are spiritual furnaces,” Rabbi Aviezer Peletz was quoted by the Kikar Hashabbat news website as having said at the conference held on Wednesday.

    The remarks were reported amid a growing furor in the haredi world over Education Ministry efforts to prevent discrimination against teenage girls in high schools.

    Haredi activists close to the United Torah Judaism party are pressing to cancel a unit set up by a previous minister to try and stop a quota system used to limit admissions of Sephardic young women to haredi secondary schools.

    Anti-discrimination activists have for many years accused these schools of setting a quota of 25 to 35 percent for the number of these young women these haredi schools will accept each year.

    In the last two years, the ministry, led by the director of the Haredi Department, Meir Shimoni, won several significant battles on the issue, in Jerusalem and Elad, by threatening to cease funding for schools that rejected local government requests to accept Sephardi girls as pupils.

    The activists are now concerned that an unsuitable UTJ loyalist will be hired to replace Shimoni, following heavy pressure by the Association of Seminars and principals on the rabbinic leadership to preserve the high schools’ independence regarding student admissions.

    Last week, the Councils of Torah Sages for both Ashkenazi haredi political movements, Degel Hatorah and Agudat Yisrael, said they would cease cooperating with the Education Ministry until it stopped what they called its “interference” in the operation of the haredi high schools for girls.

    In a statement the councils said that cooperation with ministry inspectors should be stopped, and ministry instructions ignored. “Male and female pupils who are not appropriate to the terms and regulations of the institution in spiritual terms should not be accepted and the interference of the authorities on this issue should not be allowed in any way,” the Councils’ statement said.

    Earlier this week Shas MK and chairman of the Knesset Education Committee Yaakov Margi praised Shimoni and called for his tenure to be extended by two years.

    Margi expressed concern that if a UTJ insider was brought in to replace Shimoni it would harm the cause of preventing discrimination.

    On Thursday, anti-discrimination activist Yoav Laloum who founded the Noar K’halacha lobby group, strongly criticized Shas chairman and Periphery Minister Aryeh Deri as well as Education Minister Naftali Bennett for their handling of the issue.

    “It is an absolute disgrace that people who were elected on a ticket of preventing discrimination are knowingly cooperating with it,” Laloum told The Jerusalem Post.

    “Deri is busy making hollow statements and forgets that promises need to be kept.

    Bennett has abandoned haredi education to the hands of his deputy [minister MK Meir Porush], the leader of racism, in my eyes.”

    He thought that Margi was the only “bright light, and it’s a shame that he’s alone.”

    Requests for comment from Bennett, Deri and Porush were declined.

    Against this background, a series of senior rabbinic figures in the haredi world fiercely criticized the increasing numbers of haredi women entering higher education.

    Rabbi Aharon Leib Shteinman, the most senior haredi rabbi in the Ashkenazi non-hassidic haredi world, was quoted by a close associate as saying that a man had asked him if he should let his daughter go to university.

    Shteinman replied that to do so would be worse than stealing money since material goods may be recovered but the “spiritual damage” of permitting the young woman to achieve higher education could not be undone.

    The associate, Rabbi Natan Zochovsky, objected to academic studies for women or to women earning high salaries.

    Zochovsky thought a woman needs to earn an income, but that if she were to “bring high and exaggerated salaries because of the college she learned in and because of other studies, this is dangerous, this is a danger to the entire framework of the home.”

    Dr. Efraim Zuroff, Director of the Simon Wiesenthal Center’s Israel office and a Holocaust historian, denounced Peletz’s claim that the damage done could be seen as parallel to the Holocaust.

    “The comparison of higher education for women with the horrors of the Holocaust and the Inquisition are an insult to our intelligence and an embarrassment for these prominent ultra-Orthodox rabbis,” Zuroff said.

    “At a time when increasing numbers of haredi men and women are involved in getting an academic education, one can only wonder what prompted such a strange and obtuse comment.

    “This is an inversion of the Holocaust. It is an insult to the victims of the Holocaust and the Inquisition and only proves the ignorance of those who made it,” Zuroff said.

    Content is provided courtesy of the Jerusalem Post


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    enlightened-yid
    enlightened-yid
    8 years ago

    So educating Sefardi/Mizrahi girls leads to same outcomes as Nazis gassing generations of Jews? How do these men become leaders and what kind of sheep follow their wisdom?

    Lodzker
    Lodzker
    8 years ago

    um… what???

    8 years ago

    So who will support them in ‘kollel’ if they can get educated?

    8 years ago

    Hyperbole.

    8 years ago

    Nu, so encourage your yungerleit to get higher education. Don’t expect the rest of the Olam to SUBSIDIZE your lifestyle.

    8 years ago

    I disagree with the rabbi. A woman should be educated to the highest degree as in the following: A woman should study the latest recipe books and master the art of peeling potatoes with speed. Moreover, women should be highly educated in natural childbirth and in the latest methods of being subservient to their husbands. Women that will follow this extensive curriculum are certain to live a happy and prosperous life with many children and grandchildren.

    torontonian
    torontonian
    8 years ago

    Chamor, nosei seforim!

    radrad
    radrad
    8 years ago

    With all due respect.
    This is about as stupid as the “not sitting next to a lady on the airplane” which generates more sinas chinam than good!
    Someone needs to check priorities lest we have another religion

    yismeicha
    yismeicha
    8 years ago

    Who listens to this moron? A whole group of morons? You wonder why people are going off the derech?

    Godol-Hador
    Godol-Hador
    8 years ago

    He’s not a leading rabbi…he’s aa mediocre mid level R”M.
    He’s made idiotic aassinine statements before
    I won’t address the issue of girls going into a bad environment
    But the way these morons present it just continues to perpetuate a gross chilul hashem
    Regardless of the few pages of gemorro he thinks he knows

    fat36
    fat36
    8 years ago

    The world has gone crazy

    lazerx
    lazerx
    8 years ago

    Something smells bad from the Charadi educational system if after 18 years or so of learning in yeshivas or bais yaakovs, the kids get a whiff of secular life style and zap out of frumkite.

    8 years ago

    This just proves what I have been saying all along it was never the army that held charedim back from getting a college degree and going to work as we do here in the USA. The army this is a cop-out and excuse for the real truth. The truth is that the charedim are against doing anything secular whether its the army or work. But they are dead wrong. hashem never wanted us to live in a cave and never mingle with goyim or seculars. Hashem wants us to plow the land yet still remain erhlicha yidden. Its a misguidance that has never existed since brias holim. Perhpas the rabbonim like it better this way because they have more control over the masses. I am not entirely sure where the anti secularism mishigas comes from. But I do know that its corrput and a terrible tragedy for klal yisroel

    54321
    54321
    8 years ago

    Sounds like a bunch inferiority complexes to me

    ayoyo
    ayoyo
    8 years ago

    I can’t understand why history is being perverted by charadi educators. In ”der alter heim” only a select few of the population had an opportunity to study beyond learning how to use a siddur and make kiddush .The ones who stayed in the yeshiva system were sons of the rabbis and other religious functionaries. The rest of the students had to help support their families at an early age .

    elyeh
    Noble Member
    elyeh
    8 years ago

    This was about excluding Sephardim from High Schools – this discrimination is a Chilul Hashem.

    Are Ashkenazim yidden but Sephardim not? Sinus Chinum is what brought about the Churbin.

    “The remarks were reported amid a growing furor in the haredi world over Education Ministry efforts to prevent discrimination against teenage girls in high schools.

    Haredi activists close to the United Torah Judaism party are pressing to cancel a unit set up by a previous minister to try and stop a quota system used to limit admissions of Sephardic young women to haredi secondary schools.
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    Anti-discrimination activists have for many years accused these schools of setting a quota of 25 to 35 percent for the number of these young women these haredi schools will accept each year.”

    NeveAliza
    NeveAliza
    8 years ago

    From the rabbi’s picture it appears that he’s smiling. Maybe even laughing. Perhaps he wasn’t being serious about this “educating women is the same as the Holocaust” matter and just joking around. Get it? Education? Holocaust?

    bewhiskered
    bewhiskered
    8 years ago

    So, educating women would be worse than stealing? Since when are these פערד גזלנים so מקפיד on גניבה anyway? Who’s kidding whom?

    SandmanNY
    SandmanNY
    8 years ago

    V’ahavta l’reyakha kamocha – ’nuff said.

    MarkTwain2
    MarkTwain2
    8 years ago

    I propose that israel enact a law making it illegal to compare a situation to the Holocaust – whether equating or saying better or worse than. There is nothing that can compare, comparisons cause problems and nothing is gained. The comparison is not needed as is true in this instance, once again.

    zelig
    zelig
    8 years ago

    His name is Piltz. He got his daily share of attention for those remarks. May I present two suggestions to avoid the holocaust: Men, go work!!!!!!! Get out the kesuba and reread. Then go and keep your word. It wil be painful at first, but you’ll get used to it.

    Or… no education for women after eighth grade. Go be cleaning ladies. OOOPs. No good, cleaning ladies in Israel earn more than hi-tech. So we’re back to square one.

    The truth is that these rabbis (ra-bonim- and rosh yeshivos are the cause of otd in Israel spewing hatred, machlokes and making a general chillul Hashem.
    They are calling the shots and poor sheep are following their idiocies and rish’us.
    No men working=buy a choson for your daughter for full apartment plus extras plus support.Wait, the father of said bride isn’t working either (he also may not be actually learning all day, just hanging around, as the new bridegroom). He won’t dare go work, that it a great no no, chililo army, cholilo wife getting good job training.

    “Wonderful” situation, takeh a sort of holocaust. And if there are sholom bayis problems, it’s not because of education. It’s because the husbands are not fulfilling their tafkid as supporte

    ChasidicTzioni
    ChasidicTzioni
    8 years ago

    Sarah Schnirer was also opposed by many for wanting to educate girls. But the real gedolim supported her. Without Bais Yakov, klal yisroel would have fallen apart. Girls who receive higher degrees are supporting their husbands so they can learn Torah.

    Logical_Abe
    Logical_Abe
    8 years ago

    Have you guys forgotten how many “in der alter heim” received a “higher education” in Vienna and how many of them came back Shomer Shabbos? Do you think our Gedolim don’t know what they’re saying?

    Benny
    Benny
    8 years ago

    I would write about most of the commentators “chamorim sheinom noisim Sforim”.
    You don’t want to listen to a godol – don’t!
    But to say such a negativity – that’s outrageous! I guess all of them got this at their goishe “higher educational institutions”!
    What a shame!

    ChareidiMan
    ChareidiMan
    8 years ago

    and here i thought the internet is responsible for all the issues. this “rabbi” here is a perfect example and reason why the youth goes OTD in bunches! its idiots like him that bring nothing to the table and turns the youth ( and the adults) off torah and HE is reaponsible for all the OTDs out there

    hashomer
    hashomer
    8 years ago

    Adolf would be very proud of this ignoramus charedi yutz. So many were killed to honor the name of G-d and this guy slanders them all. A disgrace, again.

    aaronw
    aaronw
    8 years ago

    The crazy thing is, rav shteineman is supposed to be one of the “normal, moderate” ones- oy vey!!