Jerusalem – Somber Ceremony In Airport As 6 ‘Kedoshim’ Arrive From Mumbai [slide show]

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    Jerusalem – A small somber ceremony with several hundred people was held early Tuesday morning at Ben Gurion International Airport for the six people murdered in last week’s terror attack on Mumbai, India, The plane carrying their caskets touched down shortly before midnight.

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    An IDF officer was stationed before each flag-draped coffin with the name of the victim. Attending the ceremony were ministers Yaakov Edery and Eli Yishai, accompanied by the Admor from Gur and Vishnitz.

    The Levay’s are expected to be held later in the day. Tens of thousands are expected to attend to pay their last respect, VIN News will post details shortly.


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    Big Masmid
    Big Masmid
    15 years ago

    An IDF officer was stationed before each flag-draped coffin with the name of the victim. Could some one please explain, what benefit will the Neshomos of the victims have from an IDF ceremony.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    HY”D!!! lets all unite at this time. From Chabad to Satmar and everyone in the middle lets unite as one with one heart for each other. The time has come for משיח lets show respect to one another regardless to the way they serve Hashem. The bottom line is they serve Hashem.

    Oy Gevald
    Oy Gevald
    15 years ago

    Al eleh ani bochiyah. Eini, eini, yordoh mayim.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    Somber Ceremony? How about some revenge? When will we finally teach these SUBHUMAN CREATURES a lesson and bomb their terrorist holdouts into oblivion??

    And i’m not a right wing nut, but when will these people be taught a lesson that would make them think twice before causing so much pain with their barbaric subhuman acts of violence????

    And i’m well aware that these creatures are suicidal maniacs. But if they would know that we would revenge each and every terrorist attack upon their terrorist friends by making them suffer the same tortures that these sub humans inflict upon their innocent victims, than maybe just maybe they WILL think twice.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    toldos avrum yitzcok rebbe was there?

    Babishka
    Member
    Babishka
    15 years ago

    Hamakom yenakom domom

    Avrohom
    Avrohom
    15 years ago

    The tragic event in India brought about a great achdus bettween all yidden. To continue in this special spirit of achdus, I am starting a campaign to promote achdus and ahavas yisroel thru ads in the major jewish weekly newspapers. This will be done leeluy Nishmas the Kedoshim killed in India.

    The ads will feature a Maamar Chazal on the importance of achdus, Shalom and Ahavas Yisroel. Please help sponsor a ad. It could be a company sponsorship so your company will be mentioned as the sponsor. I can not do this without your help.

    To sponsor a ad, or suggest a maamar chazal, you may email me at achdusnow gmail.com or call 718 954 2210.

    Thank You
    Avrohom Rotban
    Staten Island

    ruach hakoidesh
    ruach hakoidesh
    15 years ago

    They are already watching down on us from gan eden. No question about it!

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    Why do they insist on being mevazeh the meis with an israeli flag when it was specifically asked it not be put there? and we complain about mormons baptizing dead yidden!!!

    anony
    anony
    15 years ago

    Six! Six! Six Million jews, Now Six Kedoshim! We must continue doing good to fight the hate! We will never forget what they did! We will not let them win!

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    If Rabbi popenhiem from the Eideh wouldnt have opened his big mouth about this issue there would have not been any flag put on, but since he did just to create controversy the only answer is EAT IT

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    Not all Muslims are terrorists … but all terrorists are Muslims. Yemach Shmom V’zichrom. Vyinkom Nikmas Dam Avodaicho Hashofich !!!

    hate
    hate
    15 years ago

    Dear Moshe.
    You should hate the people who killed your parents! Yes you should strive for peace within yourself and others, but with this type of people who could do such inhumane acts you must hate them. We will never forget! We will always hate them!!!

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    its a certain relief to see the bodies finally, it makes me happy after so many sad days, to see the bodies no longer in torture and finally being able to be laid in peace.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    The Family asked for no be placed flag there, so why did the state add more pain and suffering??? It just shows how much they really care!!

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    Just for your info, I spoke with a family member tonight and he told me they never authorized popenheim to give any statment! He made his remark to get some press!!

    The family member told me the TAY rebbe told them not to make an issue of this.

    Btw, he said he was his chavrusah 10 years ago, but forgot to mention he didn’t talk with him since.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    It makes me proud to be a jew to see the jewish airline rush in with jewish soliders to rescue the remains of jews. If you are a jew you can always count on your jewish family – be they hatzolah, Zaka, IDF, Mossad etc. They are there. They care and they do their best.

    Lubavitcher
    Lubavitcher
    15 years ago

    I am not sure if you are aware of this or not but Chabad Lubavitch is NOT zionist and would not approve of the placing of a flag on the body, However since the Israeli government did bring the bodies back to Israel and since the Israeli government did help the families they must have felt bad to say anything that would show as if they are not grateful and spitting them back in the face, Chabad Lubavitch cares about the Israeli government and the Israeli soldiers because they are jews and because they protect jews living in Israel but do not hold the flag to a religious symbol and do not believe that the state of Israel was the begining of the geulah that we should merit in reality NOW!!!

    ( I just wanted to make that clear because it seems that people here think that the Satmar wouldn’t want the flag on his body but that a luavitcher would )

    bklynandbored
    bklynandbored
    15 years ago

    am wondering why the US ambassador was not there (at Ben Gurion). The Indian and Mexican delegations were there. I assume some representation will be at the funerals, since at least three were US citizens. i sure hope so.

    HAMAKOM YINACHEM DAMOM! Fight Islamic Fundamentalism! The Religion of Peace should be wiped off the face of the earth.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    If they really didn’t want it do you think the army would have done it to them? I am sure like was mentioned beofre that the Rebbe told them not to make an issue, or these are blue and white talleisim
    let us not fight at this moment. This will not cause an aliyah for these heilige neshamos

    Shaul in Monsey
    Shaul in Monsey
    15 years ago

    I hope one of the take aways from this terrible pogrom is that there is no yeshivish, litvish, modern, frum, satmer, vizhnitz, conservadox…b’einei harotzchim we’re all Jews. And after Mumbai, we’re all Chabad. It is the fractured, petty infighting in Klal Yisroel, more than any single factor – that keeps us from the geulah. We live in a dor that learns more Torah blatt for blatt and gives more tzedakah dollar for dollar than at any other time since the mabul. Yet here we are, still in golus. Only an am kshei oref, stubborn to the core, judgmental to a fault, with such terrible tragedies falling around us like rain, can keep the geulah at bay with our petty infighting and nonsensical labelling and judging of this one because his yarmulka is too small and that one because he doesn’t even wear one. Would be funny if it weren’t so sad.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    reply to #3
    The revenge is the Yerushalmi fellow in the Zebra standing next to the Chaiyal Ahavat Yisrael

    And to the fellow who complained about Reb Liebish HY’D being draped in an Israeli Flag there are two words to consider HAKARAS HATOV It would be unlikely that Reb Liebish’s remains would have been released without an autopsy or sent back so quickly to Eretz Yisrael if not for the intervention of the Israeli government.No they are not Zaddikim but give credit where it is do and be appreciative when appropriate

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    from what i understand the tay rebbe said not to make a big deal of this and if thats what he said i aplaud him because the people placing the flags are tinoikim shenishbi and meant only good i think huging with achmadenijad is far worse at least it should be but some ppl … dont get it to put it nicely.

    ML
    ML
    15 years ago

    If you look at the last picture you can clearly see that it’s a tallis……

    Roses
    Roses
    15 years ago

    To #13 . First of all, the government respected the wishes of the families of the two kedoshim who specifcally requested no flag. Albeit, the Israeli Govt. did put all its efforts into speeding up the harrowing process and preventing autopties.
    Also, as always, the Satan jumps in to ruin everything that is good and pure. After all the posts of achdus and special websites dedicated to ahavas yisroel, etc.. someone rears the ugly head of machlokes – that is the koach of the Satan. He wreaked enough carnage – please let us not relinquish our tears and commitments to the Satan now. Here and now is not the forum for debates on Zionism and flags. Kol Yisroel Areivin Zeh LaZeh. It says, KOL

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    Factually, the coffins were covered with tallesim and not the star of David. If there is a problem with the color of the drapings the protesters should have brought their own Forensic doctors and their own plane to bring back all these kedoishim.
    Before the establishment of Israel , a group called the Nazis killed all jews indiscriminately as these moslem animals tortured them all equally. These Kedoshim are equal in their death as having died as yidden and all our people should see we are united in recognizing why they were tortured equally. The toldos avram yitzchok kodosh, the lubavitcher kedoishim and the other heilige yidden aleihem hasholom and all our children should see a uniform talis on all these sacrifices.

    Milhouse
    Milhouse
    15 years ago

    “The family member told me the TAY rebbe told them not to make an issue of this.”

    That makes sense. How do you suppose the Lubavitchers feel about having the flag and all that on their aronos? If they’d been asked they’d surely prefer not to have them — Lubavitch has no more use for Zionism and its accessories than does Satmar — but they wouldn’t think it worth making a fuss about, and creating more disunity, especially when the Zionists mean well, so they grin and bear it.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    Now we can all understand why extreme hatred is referred to as ‘blind hatred’.

    So many people have been taught to hate the medina that they cannot see past the hatred to recognise when the medina is involved in chesed shel emes.

    But don’t forget, it them who are preventing the geula shelaimah, not us c”v. We are perfect.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    It is begining to look like some yiddin are bothered more by the flag over the coffin more than they are bothered about what is IN the coffins.

    I shudder to think that these are frum people who are counted for a minyan.

    Aron
    Aron
    15 years ago

    As many people, I have a wide range of different types of relatives. I have some that are Israeli chilonim that fought in many of the early wars, and I have some that are referred to by the uneducated as “anti-zionist” (virtually every Jew yearns for “zion”; some though have a problem with the current popular organized form). One cousin of mine even has a picture of himself with Arafat, yimach sh’mo (the “yimach sh’mo” refers to Arafat, not to my cousin,may he live and be well).
    I do not agree with his extreme view. I do, however, try to understand what is behind the ideology. These people that are called by the misnomer “anti-zionist” are actually “extreme zionists” (“utra-zionists”?). They believe that Jews should rule over Eretz Yisroel. However, that time should coincide with the geula and the coming of Moshiach. To do so earlier is considered by many to be a blasphemy. It is like what if an organized group decided to unilaterally build the Third Temple and start bringing sacrifices before the geula. Jews from across the spectrum would be up in arms over such a blasphemy. Any official symbol of such a group would be abhorrent to almost any Jew.
    To many of the “anti-zionists”, to have a Jewish ruling government in Eretz Yisroel before the proper time is a blasphemy and tramples on the holiness of Eretz Yisroel. And the official symbols of this group becomes abhorrent to them.
    Again, while I do not subscribe to such an extreme view, I do know from my own experience that they are not “anti” any other Jew. They are just very “pro” the holiness of Eretz Yisroel.

    Toras Moshe Emes
    Toras Moshe Emes
    15 years ago

    I hear a lot of talk about achdus and how, therefore, we should say nothing about the fact that all six coffins were draped with Israeli flags. When the coffins left Mumbai, there were four with Israeli flags and two, in accordance with the wishes of the families, without. En route, against the wishes of the families, Israeli flags were placed on the two.

    How is this achdus?

    Why is it only achdus when the religious are told to shut up while secualrists do whatever they want — in this case, defying the wishes of the families? And if, c’v the religious voice their displeasure, oy gevalt what a machlokes they are making!!!

    Someone explain this to me like I am a four year old because I just don’t get it

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    #41
    you are an amharetz every ben chomesh l’mikra knows that flags are part of our religion. every shevet had a flag.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    Anyone think that Reb Levi Barditchover would be yelling that the tzionim put flags on coffins because they hold it to be kavod hames?

    Or do you think he would say ‘wow! even in yiddin who don’t understand the first thing about kavod hames and the kedusha of heileger yiddin killed al kiddush shaim shomayim, even in those who were brought up to think badly of all shomrai torah u’mitzvos, even such yiddin have tried to do what they hold is the most respectful thing for a Jew for these heiliger korbanos! RBS”O, build us a new bais hamikdosh and you’ll see how even the most ignorant yid runs to bring you the best sheep, goats, bulls, cows’?

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    If we understood the lose we have suffered and shared in the pain of the family as we should have our eyes would have been too burning with tears to see what was on top of the aronos.

    Satmar Buchur
    Satmar Buchur
    15 years ago

    Satmar Buchur

    I am 100% Satmar and would shudder with horror at the idea of an Israeli flag on my coffin, or even in the room, etc.,

    However, we must keep in mind that the people here are not the big politicians who made the decisions. These are well-intentioned people showing what to them, in their eyes, is kovod. So, they ARE giving kovod to these heilige kedoshim.

    The fact that we do not approve of the method, or are grossed out by it, should not take away from the intent of these good human beings who are feeling a connection with fellow Yidden and trying to give them respect and recognition.

    True, it was a bad decision, and a mean one on the part of whoever it was who decided it must be this way. The family’s views should certainly have been honored.

    Had one of the victims been a Muslim who begged to not be dishonored by the flag, they would certainly have honored the family’s wishes and separated his body from the others, and taken his body quietly away without the Government ceremony.
    We see here clearly, something we have always known, that the religious Jew is afforded less honor by the State of Israel then a non-Jew, or even a Muslim.

    All this being said, do not knock the people who are doing their job, or the people who are honestly trying to show their respect in their own way.

    Only those who made the bad and mean decision are to blame, not those who carry out their tasks, and certainly not those who come to offer respect.

    If anything, we need to recognize their good intent. If we fail to do that, we are then guilty too of not tolerating other well-meaning people.

    I truly wish they had respected the family’s wishes and kept these two kedoshim’s body’s separate from the Government ceremony, and from those flags, but to fuss about it now is not appropriate.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    The blue and white material wrapping the Aronos from the sides is not, technically, a flag; it’s more like a form of bunting, with no Magen David on it. In some of the photos, you can see that it looks like all of the Aronos are covered with Taleisim, with the bunting only on the sides. Though I think the families of some of the Kedoshim may not have particularly cared for the blue-and-white material, you can’t say that the request of the families not to use a flag was not honored.