Chicago, IL – Rabosai,
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First I want to congratulate you for your fervor and unity in responding to those who are violating Shabbat by driving to Jerusalem on Shabbat and those who are intervening in family life in the Niturei Karta community by taking children to the hospital when they are emaciated and weighing 7 kg at two years old.
But, secondly, I want to tell you that from a Torah True perspective your reactions are the very opposite of what you should be doing. Your commitment to Torah and current events gave you an opportunity for a great Kiddush Hashem, and instead you have distanced thousands – if not millions – from Torah. Didn’t you consider that Chilul Hashem B’farhesia, publicly profaning God’s name, is such a great sin that it outweighed going out on a limb to protect parking lots from cars on Shabbat, or to protect a family that really seems like it was abusing its children? Do you think that there could never be child abuse in your community? And was it not worth bringing an emaciated child – even you agree that he was dangerously emaciated – to one of the world’s leading hospitals for a check-up? Do you agree that doctors’ have a role in our lives in making some physical and psychological determinations?
Rather than resorting to violent riots that have turned off even people sympathetic to your love for Shabbat and the integrity of the family, you should have copied God the way we are supposed to: with love and kindness – midot hachesed – the loving traits of God. Wouldn’t it have been far more effective to have shown up at the parking lot on Shabbat with grape juice and challah rolls and offered people driving into Yerushalayim the ability to celebrate Shabbat just a little? Had you offered them cholent and kugal, don’t you think word would have gotten out that Shabbat is a beautiful thing? After all, these people driving into Jerusalem are choosing to spend Shabbat in the Holy City, not at the beach in Tel Aviv or Ashkelon! We all need to think of how we can reach out to our brothers and sisters even when they are sinning in our eyes, and rather than making them park dangerously all around Jerusalem, endangering pedestrians who are not violating Shabbat, make them realize that you are willing to interrupt your Shabbat to spend some time with them! Maybe the next time some of them would be willing to drive into Jerusalem on Friday night, spend the night in a hotel – even an Arab hotel in the Old City! – and experience a full Shabbat in Jerusalem. Why didn’t you suggest to the city that parking overnight in Jerusalem – from Friday night till Shabbat is over – should be made free, to encourage people to drive in before Shabbat? All these moves would have made Jerusalem, Shabbat and the religious way of life something beautiful, not ugly – God’s name would be glorified, not sullied by the dirty rubbish that you have been throwing at city workers.
Rather than rioting against what seems to be saving of a child’s life – piku’ach nefesh – didn’t you question for a moment what is going on? What are the names of Chareidi organizations that protect children – and spouses – from abuse? The Chareidi community in America has such organizations which serve the entire Jewish community – have you set up yours? I haven’t seen them involved or consulted. No, instead of blaming Hadassah hospital, the doctors and the media of a conspiracy, maybe you should begin a process of coming clean and accepting that domestic abuse occurs in all types of communities – from the most religious to the most secular, Jewish and non-Jewish. And that sometimes the police and the authorities have to be brought in to protect children and spouses. That would be the appropriate response, one that would be a Kiddush Hashem, which would win the respect of Jews and non-Jews for Torah and for Judaism.
My brothers and sisters in the Chareidi community: God’s name is not sanctified by you showing how much political muscle you have to close parking lots, to maintain the ‘status quo’, or to show that you can do whatever you like to your kids without the authorities intervening: that’s not the way to sanctify God’s name, or even your name. The way to Kiddush Hashem is for all of us to place God and God’s kindness above our own agendas, and to show that we are willing to sacrifice even your own serenity on Shabbat, our own control over our families, in order to protect the weak and make God’s name something beautiful and desirable, not something which people cannot run away from fast enough.
Rabbi Asher Lopatin, is the spiritual leader of in Chicago of Anshe Sholom B’nai Israel Congregation, Rabbi Lopatin received his ordination from Rav Aron Soloveichik and Yeshivas Brisk, and also from Yeshiva University in New York .
Thank you – this is the way to glorify Hashem’s name.
well I guess that puts an end to the machlokes! i am happy he weighed in on the subject at hand.
terrific..he articulated so well that which i feel inside
on the mark
Wow!!!!!!!! i am speechlees… beautifully written. Halevai there are more ppl like Rabbi Lopatin. I am actually from a chasidishe family (Satmar) and to me it makes no difference if someone learned in Mir, Solobodka, Yeshiva University, Lubavitch, Satmar, etc. but as long as your a mentch thats what counts and this Rabbi proves it all…..
he is rahm emanuels rabbi.
I am not sure who this Rabbi Lopatin is, but clicking on the link it jumped at me that he learned in Brisk, wow, but also, a big also, YU. “Rabbi Asher Lopatin, now in his 13th year as spiritual leader of Anshe Sholom B’nai Israel Congregation, received his ordination from Rav Aron Soloveichik and Yeshivas Brisk and also from Yeshiva University in New York .“ therefore, he is not worth my comment. HE IS NO ORTODOX! Look on his website, his congregation isn’t really orthodox, it’s Modern orthodox!
theres a story with R Shloime Carlebach where he et up a table where Yiddin were protesting Chillul Shabbos Koydesh, and made kiddush and offered challah and food, and it was a tremendous success. Its still not too late to do such things, any one in touch with the Eidah?
This is Rahm Emanuel’s Rabbi
excellent , right on traget, Its a huge chillul hashem, no good will ever come out of such riots.What does breaking a street light help the case?
great words cann’t put it any better
So beautifully written! How can any sane person not agree?
those guys could not care less for this letter or for anyone. animals
Amen! Halevai that such Torah’dig and sechel’dig thinking should prevail in the future! Let’s daven for help in reconciling all Yidden with each other.
who in the world do you think you are to comment on the matzev in yerushalim like this DONT CONFUSE YESHIVAS BRISK THAT HE GOT SMICHA FROM WITH THE REAL BRISK this orthodox rabbi is what he sounds like anti ultra-orthdox just as bad as the chiloinim who are doing this whole disgrace
you can tell from the sarcasm in the first paragraph what a chutzpah shave your chup and grow a beard maybe youll get some daas!
again why does VIN post these things let them sell their garbage to their congregants why give them the podium to reach thousands here
Wait. This sanctimonious Rabbi is sitting in Chicago, reading the news and then based on what he reads dares to lecture Yerushalmis on how they should/shouldn’t behave in the face of unprecedented chutzpah. Only in 2009.
Dont have to be an ordained rabbi to know that what these hooligans are doing in Israel is the antithesis of how a normal functioning jew should behave.
Someone who really feels for Shabbos and realizes that in the holiest city they are desecrating shabbos would not say go give them challos ….. if your father is being hurt in his own house would you say to the people hurting him here is some food? Well the same is when the shabos is desecrated against our holy father in heaven we scream and scream until we have no strength, and we dont look to give challos and kugel to people that are attacking us in public.
yes, violence is wrong and always wrong, but since when does that say that you pen such an article against your brothers whom are fighting for the kovod of our father in heaven and for shabbos the holy day of rest in our heiliger torah shdodt, and the demonstrators didnt hurt anyone (as far as I know) except set fire (although of course wrong and uncivilized — and I am also ashamed of the tiny minority that did do these things) to some garbage cans ……and if the chiloinim get their way on this issue of shabbos I can tell you they will change the status quo of all the roads in the holy city very quickly? And why neglect to mention the perpetrators of the garbage burning were a tiny, tiny minority of the large oilam at demonstrations. And why dont you people in the States pen an article (unless I havn’t seen them from my perch in Jerusalem) aganst the public & city certified chillul shabbos?
The status-quo has not been touched for many, many years and this is the first time the chiloinim, under a new mayor, elected with frummer support has dared to change the status-quo.
On the issue of the imprisoned woman we have heard only the hospital’s side in a public forum and therefore its very hard to comment on, but the demonstrator’s side we have not heard, but the fact that the authorities let the woman out tells me something …… The syndrome they are accusing her of is a distinct type and very debatable, but the frummer are suggesting the woman was mistreated in prison, also put together with hardened criminals, guilty before a trial and rumors have it the baby was given chemo for no reason, was in a cancer ward for no reason (espescially – as the authorities would have it – the baby was suffering from mal-nutrition so why was the baby in a cancer ward?) and where is the video – which the hospital refuses to show – of the woman pulling the feeding tube from the baby? Its very hard to comment on this issue until the facts are known.
And how is a “orthordox” rabbi in Chicago to know the facts? Come to Yerusholyim and spend a summer here with us, in a city where the chiloinim want to do nothing but tear away the yiddishkeit from our city. The chiloinim are runing scared as more and more frummer settle in the city and they are losing their majority and yes, many and more baalei tshuva are being made monthly in our holy city.
The Gemora says that if Yisroel kept two shabos’s then the salvation will be here, and because the sanctity of shabbos is paramount amd all-important.
The rabbi talks about sending people away from yiddishkeit and handing out kugel to the chiloinim. Interesting because more baalei tshuva of common Israelies are made in our city than in any other city in the world. And when a “freier” and a baal tshuva sees our commitment to the holy shabbos and we are ready to do anything for the shabbos and and our father in heavens, Hashem – in his most holiest city – they only respect us even more!!
I am fed up of all the do-gooders and shalom-knickers writing on the interent against people out there demonstrating for our ideals and our torah. And where were the “holy” orthordox rabbis to talk about the israeli police that treat the frummer lower than an animal (there are pictures of the mishtara indiscriminately beating and arresting people for no reason in Geula and other areas) & would never dare treat the arabs the way they treat the frummer? And if such atrocities by the police happened in the US would be screaming.
Again, violence is wrong, was done by a tiny minority and was not violence on npeople or the authorities – it was the burning of garbage can, something more like civil disobedience that is built up in the chiloni press very quickly as “violence”.
I invite all the American “rabbis” to our holy city to be mekarev the chiloinim. But please keep your adminishings of us 6,000 miles away to yourself.
Although this article is well written, there is nowhere in this article any palpable pain or discomfort about the Chilul Shabbos taking place in Jerusalem.
If Rabbi Lopatin is pained by the actions of his brothers and sisters who are rioting, where is his pain and discomfort when so many of his brothers and sisters are willfully and publiclly desecrating the name of Hashem, by desecrating the Shabbos and endorsing the severest “avairos” and Torah prohibitions.
One who does not denounce the Chilul Hashem of the secular public in Israel, ought not to denounce the Orthodox or Ultra-orthodox who act against the Torah ways.
Yes, one may go to them rather one must go and teach them to act and behave better and in accordance with the Torah ways, but that does not give one the right to publicly berate any group or individual, when this one person does not berate any secular anti-torah jews.
Rabbi Lopatin, we are waiting for your outspoken comments regarding the Chilonim.
Nicely put.
With all due respect, an American simply cannot understand the situation. Any secular Israeli does understand, and knows that here this is how things get done. I once asked a secular taxi driver what he thought about burning garbages. He looked me in the eye and said “There is no other way!”. In fact the Mizrachi leaders wrote up in the newspapers this week expressing regret they did not riot, as the chassidim were rioting this week, when they were expelled from Gush Katif. Had they done so, they felt, the “disengagement” would have been prevented. So the chilul Hashem is 1. only in American eyes, 2. it’s onus falls on those who forced the rioting, as the only effective possibility.
This article is beautiful, and calls for influincing our fellow Jews in ways of beauty and peace. True. However, the mayor of Jerusalem is involved, as he puts it in “teaching the charedim lekach” i.e. putting those charedim in their place. He opened the parking lot to show who’s boss. Does anyone realisticly expect that challenge to be met with cholent and kugel??
There is a home for battered women in Jerusalem, and an organization affiliated with it. I was involved this year with someone who used their services, and in need be, can provide you with more details.
One last point: I really do not know, nor can I, who is right and who is wrong with regard to the mother abusing the child. However, as someone who a dear relative was hospitalized for an extended period in Hadassah, I can testify that they are certainly capable of experimenting on the child, of trying to coerce the parents to accept their treatment and of worse. It is sad, and I know that I appear to be kufoi tov, to lack appreciation for what they have done to help us, but the truth must be told. Their version of the story, unless independently verified, is suspect.
Once again, I do believe the good rabbi is speaking sincerely, but he lacks knowledge of the way politics, people and hospitals operate in Israel. I suggest he stick to the American scene, where he knows his facts.
lets take into account the chillul hashem the chassidim are causing by going to the riots:
1- throwing rocks- chilul shobbis
2- the rock hits a person and causes a chabura- chiull shobbis
3- causing the need for massive police presence- chilul shobbis
4- causing jewish people affliated with the media to come out and cover the story- chilu shobbis
5-casuing thousands of Jews to be turned off from yidishkyet– Priceless– Chilul Hsahem
The modern orthordox will also look for a way to attack the frummer who fight Hashem’s battles, the hafganos for shabbos were approved by al the gedoilim including Rav Eliashiv, the foremost poisek in the world and many chassdiishe, litvishe, sefardishe geonim and roshei heshivas.
As far as the story of the woman with the child we have not heard two sides to the story, pls show us the video of the mal-treatment that the authorities say they have and then lets talk.
This guy never learnt in the heilige yeshiva brisk in Yerusholayim, he learnt in YU which calls itself Brisk in America,
“And was it not worth bringing an emaciated child – even you agree that he was dangerously emaciated – to one of the world’s leading hospitals for a check-up?”
Until that point, his point was legitimate. One of the world’s leading hospitals? If you are in Israel and you have a serious problem, you will either go to the US, France or England.
“Why didn’t you suggest to the city that parking overnight in Jerusalem – from Friday night till Shabbat is over – should be made free, to encourage people to drive in before Shabbat?… After all, these people driving into Jerusalem are choosing to spend Shabbat in the Holy City, not at the beach in Tel Aviv or Ashkelon!”
This is an individual who does not understand reality. People in EY, who are unfortunately not religious, b’davka drive on shabbos. Having them drive before Shabbos and staying in a hotel is not a solution. What planet is this individual from? People will respect you if stick to your ideals, not if you imagine things and then present them as reality. They are not going to Yerushalayim for the kedusha.
“What are the names of Chareidi organizations that protect children – and spouses – from abuse?”
Just because you never heard of them does not mean they do not exist. Your hubris will be your downfall. When you state foolish and unrealistic ideas without looking into the facts, you lose credibility.
“or to show that you can do whatever you like to your kids without the authorities intervening”
This was an isolated incident. To say how this applies to everyone is presumptious. You started out by saying a “Torah-true perspective” and then you violate it with motsei shem rah. Shame on you.
If this is the individual who Rahm Emanuel gets inspiration from, help us. Da’as Torah is based on complete ameilus in Torah, not what a “Rabbi” wants it to be.
I wouldnt worry about chillul hashem when Rav Eliashiv and Rav Weiss sends the oilam out to a hafgana — I think they know better than a rabbi from Chicago. And where did he learn in YU, Hm!!
The shabbos hafgana was supported by all types and all stripes aganst a mayor that wants to remove all yidishkeit from the city of Yerusholyim.
anyone sees the RABBI’S yarmulka or am I the only one it’s invisible to?
Wow. Very well said, Rabbi.
I have nothing to say besides “da’as baal habayis” vs. “da’as torah”. Its sad to read such bias from a “rabbi” who lives in Chicago and has no understanding as to where we really live. To explain to all of us how Israeli doctors are actully here to save this child is to try and put a blindfold on our eyes. We will not forget how they refused thousands of religious jews to be saved from nazi hands, we will not forget “yaldei teiman”, we will not forget all the trouble these “doctors”and “rabbi’s”do to us, as the list is to long! Shame on the “mah yofis” rabbi!
this is the so claimed orthodox rabbi who told rohm emanual he could answer his phone on shabbos when he got a phone call from obama about the financel crisis.so don’t tell me he cares about chillul shabbos.
His article’s effectiveness is completely destroyed by his sarcasm. Not only that but sarcasm that misses its target, which makes the writer look stupid. They are not protesting the bringing of the child to the hospital.
Its mamash gevaldig that someone is finnaly commenting on this gevaldiga chillul hashem and bizoyen hatora . I dont belive that a ben tora is going to burn garabage cans and damage property that is not his ,its the laidigayers and shebabnikims,but gevald so many shebabnikim? so it must be that the unemployment is gevaldig high and it has to be addressed
Now he can tell Rahm Emanuel, who davens in his shul, that maybe he should make Obama stop messing with Israel.
neturei karta?
Just shows how much this “rabbi” knows…
Three points
Score 100 % Riots is not the way, and very embarrassing
Score 50% Serving them kugel reminds me of a person that was told how wrong it is to drive to shul on Shabbos, he answered OK for Shabbos but Yom Kippur I must travel to shul because how can you miss shul on such a holy day
Score 0% On your psak that the family abused the child, you are totaly unfamiliar with the facts of Hadasa errors and in particular of this case.
Stories that I took part :
1) Xrays that were taken from Hadasa to a NY specialist who did not beleive that these xrays were taken in hadasa his comment was ” we in NY don’t use these machines for 35 years is Hadasa so behind”.
2) A patient that came from Hadasa on a stretchture, after the initual checkup before telling the nurses were he’s coming from, they asked us if he’s coming from a jungle, based on poor physical care in Hadasa.
If you pasken all your shallos with such attitute I pitty your congregants
I wonder why the amoirah who took away the red scarf from the pritzah (mesechta brochos) didn’t offer her a coffee instead, a9cording to the so called rabbi-the author of this article-, that’s what he should have done
Another no-name Rabbi trying to make a name for himself. Why doesn’t he go back to the rock under which he poked his head out of.
This Rabbi is a disgrace to all of Isreal! He has no clue what’s going on! He cares less about Chilul Shabbos (Room Emanoels cell phone for Obama)! He has one agenda: if it’s netura karte (BTW a bunch of sick people) they’re all guilty.
So let me tell you this: Shabbos has nothing to do with Netura Karte and so is the story with the woman who is from Toltos Aharon.
Of course it’s Loshon Hora and Chutzpu to say something on the great rabbi lopatin, but it’s a big Mitzva to accuse a true frum mother of starving her child without knowing the exect details. And of course the Chareidim who it pains them Chilul Shabbos.
You all should start being Yiddish Yidden not like the old time reform conservative so-called Yidden who dropped traditional Yiddishe Torah and Mitzva’s and created new laws and new MITZVAS. You are only making me thing that the holy Chasam Sofer would not allow a real Yid to engage his daughter to such people. Go get a life.
He is basically on target about the riots in general until he gets to the abuse allegations and accepts it as fact, that’s where he strayed…
Rabbi: well said! of course, as long you are bashing the chareidim, what a disgrace! all Jew haters will now say how good you write, so don’t fool yourself, you are a disaster. glad you are not my rabbi.
#19 great post.
The whole tone of this letter from the rabbi that went to college (as his website says “holds an M.Phil. in Medieval Arabic Thought from Oxford University as well as a BA in International Relations and Islamic Studies from Boston University”) and is now a modern orthordox rabbi, is so hating the frummer yidden that uphold torah and yiras shomayim daily, its truely unbelievable. he sounds like all the reform rabbis that are so busy with sholom etc and believe me thay have no idea what true sholom is. and the name of this rabbi’s congreagtion is Anshe sholom.
First and foremost: the hafganos came from dass torah, including rav Eliashiv, the Gerer rebber and Rav Weiss — they didnt believe that demonstrating was against the daas torah and feel that demonstrating lichvod shomayim is a an absolute kiddush hashem.
Your comment of giving challos to the mechalelei shabos that drove into our holy city is sick, these people knew the happenings in jerusalem and came sepecifically to show that they can drive cars on shabbos, so you really think challos and an outstretched hand would help?
Does anyone remember ML King who went after civil disobedience and is now a saint? Does demonstrating and showing support for shabbos really turn off a freier from judaism or is it the commitment and interest of a frim jew to shabbos show the world and the unaffiliated what we are ready to stand up for? Does it not show our commitment to our father in heaven?
Why is the rabbi from Chicago so worried about what the other people will think about? and why is he so worried about the political muscle of the frummer?
Its not political muscle — its the kovod of shomayim.
I believe that too many unafiliated jews in Chicago – after reading the media non-froum articles that are anti-chareidi and show all the “terrible vio;ence”- approached the rabbi and asked whats going on here and therefore the rabbi believes that only a chillul hashem was caused here.
But the truth is a person that a real yerei shomayim cannot not demonstrate and scream for the kovod of Hashem and his holy shabbos.
The rabbi in his article talks about bringing more organisations to protect against abuse, believe me there are plenty of organisations and bigger organisations than in the jewish community in the US. But until you hear 2 sides to this story please dont comment, until this thing is cleared up and the truth comes out no-one should be commenting on it.
Does anyone understand that the State and the City of Jerusalem hate us and would love to take out from us all our religion and our mitzvos? Do people realize this parking lot could have been opened 20 years ago and there has been a shortage of parking in Yerusholyim for years but no-one dared break the status-quo? And that the mayor a real anti-religous guy stands no chance anymore to be re-elected as most of Jerusalem is frum and so is now doing what his heart is really telling him to do?
Rabbi, you are so worried about sholom and kiddush Hashem, is that why you sent your years in Oxford University? Why didnt you give out challos and kugel and provide hotels for the freier for shabbos during these years? And whilst these holy Jews in Yerusholayim like Rav Eliashiv and the Gerer Rebbee have been toiling in torah all their years, not wasted a minute, have called for all their followers to go to the demonstrations you have the right to say not to go?
Sure, riots were not called for and are wrong but you say the demonstrations are a chillul Hashem and we say they are kiddush Hashem?
And how – from your perch in a MO shul in Chicago – know both sides of the equation in Jerusalem? You read the chiloni press only and see and know only one side.
Oich mir a Rabbi I don’t see a shtreimel I would not rely on him
This is the reform of yesterday coming out in another color.
Their disdain for torah and yirah is shown in the name of “sholom”, when he has no true understanding of what sholom means.
Sholom means to be “complete” – complete in the serving of Hashem, not in making compromises with yiddishkeit, which this rabbi would do in a moment.
Shame on VIN for printing this article, which is mechallel the gedoilim that stood behind the hafganos. Who is this guy from Chicago to write about yiddishkeit from Chicago with his moderner shul, when our biggest gedoilim agreed and sent their followers to the demonstrations.
#19 put it best, if your father was being trampled on in his own house and in the favorite room of his house, would you give the tramplers in your own house challos or would you scream and demonstrate for the honor of your father? Well shabbos is Hashem’s own rest day, and in Yerusholyim where Hashem resides and the shechinah resides, how can we not demonstrate and scream for the honor of the holy shabbos in the most holy place on earth?
The freier only respect us more when we are ready to demonstarate for what we believe in (and just as ML king was respected for demonstrating non-violently for his cause) and not cave in on such an immensely important issue.
Can there be “sholom” in a family when the family is uprooted from their holy cause? Yes, the rabbi in chicago, far away from real holiness, is being asked by his liberal and “embarrased” congragants why should jews demonstrate for the kovod of their father in heaven? But the rabbi should answer, because in the holiest city on earth our torah is being trampled on by our own brothers.
Did anyone look down on the liberal hero Obama from Chicago for being a “community organizer” for the rights of the blacks? Did he never demonstrate?
The embarrassment to frum Jews by the actions in Yerushalayim will take a long time to disappear.
#19 and all u other bashers of the Rabbi and and his supporters. U have no ability to see what he is saying. He believes that just as this woman deserves the presumption of innocence and/or our tefillos is she is diagnosed later as sick, so too,
the doctors who serve so many frum chareidim at Haddassa deserve the presumpton of innocence at this time of no actual facts. He did not address the issue of the conditions or method of her incarcerations.
He is only dealing with what he feels is inappropriate violent actions by the denonstrators and the chilul hashem precluding frye yidden from ever seeking the frum lifestyle, YES!!! VIOLENCE FOR SUCH NOBLE TORAH CAUSES IS A CHILUL HASHEM.. AT least he is having his voice heard. OTHER THAN MIR RY and RAV SHTERNBUCH WHERE WAS THE CONDEMNATION AFTER THE SHABBOS DEMONSTARTION VIOLENCE> COME OUT IN UNITY!!! AND SPEAK LIKE THIS RABBI did!! I forgot their speeches are now too little too late.. They are worried about concerts and hotel swimming etc. not the turning off of yiddishkeit to potential thousands of Baalei tshuvos.. Ghandi (although a Goy)
was right that u can do much more with love than war or violence.
This Rabbi, whether u agree or not, speaks with his heart and love for all of klal yisroel while most of the others were silent when their voice was long overdue.
It doesn;t make a difference if he is reform , conservative, or MODERN ORTHODOX- ERR RETT MIT DEM PINTALE YEED- And the violent few talk like chayos as the people who comment here call name etc etc from both sides . Shame on all of u for the name calling. es like “animals”etc etc
As I said yesterday here:
Fact is that the riots are a disgrace and demonstrate an utter lack of morality amongst these so called Jews, who are in truth religious fanatics. That they are Jews make it even worse as they should act like the am hanivchar that they are a part of and not act like Taliban or other sand negro muslim filth.
I would expect this kind of behavior in Gaza strip, or in Mecca, where the morally bankrupt Koran and the Islamafascits reign, but in Mea Shearim I have to wonder if all that shuckling and moral high ground is really just a front for Talibanesque emptiness and not Torah true Judaism.
It is the responsibility of the system to determine this woman’s guilt or innocence. I have no idea myself, but I do know that Munchausen’s is so deviant a behavior that anyone in the woman’s community coming to her defense is clueless, they wouldn’t know if she had it anyway. And the fact that the other kids are fine is also meaningless. Plenty of otherwise “normal” women are addicted to the attention that doctors give, for themselves or their kids, probably because daddy ignored them or uncle yitz molested them, which we all know goes on in chareidi communities as often as Friday night kiddush.
And the idiots claiming that if there was video it would have been released, that’s just stupid.
No doubt, the hospital has treated zillions of frum people and done so with the utmost care and concern, so all this nonsense about a conspiracy is 1938 sheep to the slaughter Holocaust paranoia and not worthy of a drop of respect.
Perhaps the doctors screwed up. Yes, it is possible. But the legal system has to determine that. These riots are a disgrace to the race, they are meakeiv the geulah, and the fake frum filth that riot are not Jews. I’ll tell you one thing, though. If I were innocent and arrested like that, I would welcome the publicity to expose the system. You hide when you have something to hide. You play victim when you are up to no good. When you are innocent, you welcome the opportunity to declare your innocense from the highest rooftop. So all these riots, in my opinion, are just noise designed to divert the truth away from where it should be exposed. And if it walks like a duck, and sounds like a duck, well…
a breath of fresh air…!!!!wow!!! why is it the more holy one looks the worst manners and decency one has,,,and the other side is also true.
Look in thilim kapital 143 “mesan’aycho hashem esno uviskoimemaycho eskoitot”
#60 –Kaufman’s first point is on the mark like the Rabbi’s comments- It is only the violence by the Haredim , becoming regular habit forming activity is where the problem is and what the Rabbi specifically refers too. However Kaufman seems to conclude “the honesty of the doctors” and here he strays from being fair. Until we know the facts totally u cannot assume. How many MAJOR drug companies , hospitals and drug companies have had cover ups of all kinds in the US?? Hundreds! So please don’t ever conclude before the facts are all in. Regarding the Rabbi- I recently attended a dinner for a famous Kollel. The guest of honor said,
(in a black hat and his wife in a sheitil , ” the next time a young man walks in to your house with no yarmulka, shorts and a phone, beeper and separately a young woman
with a mini skirt, sleeveless and a laptop in her hand walks into your shabbos table”remember one day they could be your guest of honor.'” THAT IS WHAT THE RABBI MEANS TO ALL U COMMENTATORS WHO CAN”T COMPREHEND HIS SIMPLE MESSAGE>>!!! THAT IS AN OYHEEIV YISROEL!
As a YU Musmach, who studied with the Rav for ten years, I am quite astounded that there are so many American Rabbis who seek to promote moderation , patience, and civil dialogue, in the face of almost any Avla.
Of course, this Rabbi’s missive “elevates” his own position as a reasonable, calm, civil type of Jew in contrast to the “Charedim” in Israel who he portrays as these wild uncivilized people whose behavior arouses the contempt of the secular Israeli. Yes,you are ashamed of your fellow Jews who may be extremely pious and learned, as many of them surely are, and are reacting with the only realistic means at their disposal to the flagrant provocation of this Chilul Shabbos.
Even if this behavior is not the most effective means of protest, it is much more deplorable that you don’t truly identify with the Charedim and in many ways feel much more attached culturally and socially with the secular Israelis.