Jerusalem – Charedim Arrested as Shabbat Parking Lot Dispute Turns Violent

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    Security forces block haredim (Photo: Gil Yohanan)Jerusalem – Hundreds of ultra-Orthodox gathered on Saturday at the intersection of Shivtei Yisrael and Hanevi’im streets in Jerusalem to protest against the opening of the Karta parking lot on Shabbat.

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    As if to remind us that amid the hullabaloo about the “child-starving mother” case, they had not forgotten their fight over the Shabbat opening of the Carta garage, 700 of haredim rioted in Jerusalem on Saturday evening over the parking lot, which has now been open for six successive Saturdays.

    A secular group greeted lot’s visitors with flowers, cheering the police and taunting the protesters. At one point a fight erupted between the two sides, and police had to break things up.

    Fifteen people were arrested as several of the protesters tried to block the entrance to the parking lot, some of them lying down in the road in front of vehicles, and others attempted to break a police blockade near Shivtei Yisrael Street threw eggs and spat on officers, at the entrance to Mea She’arim.

    A police officer was lightly wounded when he was bitten by a protester in the ultra-Orthodox neighborhood.
    Not for the first time, the rioters shouted “Nazis” and “Jew haters” at both police and journalists. The protesters demanded they “go back to Germany.” The ultra-Orthodox men called an Ethiopian policeman “bitter chocolate” and “nigger” and told him to “go back to Ethiopia” or to go back to the cowshed.”

    Security forces dispersed the rioters using water cannons and other means.

    This was the most violent protest in two weeks, after demonstrations in the capital subsided during the fast day of Tisha B’Av, and after the ultra-Orthodox child who may have been starved by his mother was released from hospital.


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    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    And once again there is cause for chilul hashem in the name of chilul shabbos. How do these chasidim wake up in the morning feeling good about themselves when they are turning Israel into a dump over the chilul shabbos? Is this how we will change things? Is this what gedolim want us to do? I doubt it. The mediaplatering yidden all voer the world with this news is just horrible. Didn’t we have enough bad negative exposure over the last three weeks and now this again?

    To all the protestors your gantz meshugah because your causing thousands of polciemenn who are not frum to do more chilul shabbos because they have to keep the peace and make sure things do not get out of hand. So what on earth are you gaining?

    Seforim say that before Moshiach comes the world will be meshugah! We see it now.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    Oh, I am SO IMPRESSED with the true Ahavas Yisrael shown to dark-skinned JEWS. Chassidim saying these things, biting people, behaving like the animals they are? I am ashamed to be a Chassid. And some clowns here will no doubt say how do we know they are Jews anyway? Answer: A Bais Din has said so.

    I propose the cops really get tough. Drench these animals like the rats they are with water cannons (the first good wash they probably will have had for a while!) & send them scurring back into their ratholes. They make me vomit.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    whem will these riots stop? Ad mosai!

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    Oh, I see they used water cannons today. OK…next stop, rubber bullets & tear gas.

    American Chevroner
    American Chevroner
    14 years ago

    as far as I know NO chevroner participated in these riots

    power up
    power up
    14 years ago

    Clearly not the way to protest, but at the same time you can see the biased report how its written, how about actually saying why the orthodox jews are so upset? How about validating their argument??!!!

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    sick people . i guess tisha bav is meaningless to these charedi no goodnicks

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    These people need a life. If they had a job and responsibilities they wouldn’t have time or desire to act like this. A busha for the Jews and makes people dislike Torah and frumkeit.

    gevald
    gevald
    14 years ago

    oy vey, already the tzoros. when will they realize that they can’t fight the israeli government. how do they think they will persuade the government to close the parking lot with violence? what a chilul hashem.

    P and P
    P and P
    14 years ago

    G’nik shoin with the “biased reporting” angle.Protests are fine, arguably even apropriate. Violence isn’t. Why aren’t more Rabbonim taking a stronger stance against these thugs ?

    David
    David
    14 years ago

    Makes we want to be non frum sometimes.

    Ther are 2 sides:
    Ther are 2 sides:
    14 years ago

    firstly, remember that the secular reporters are biased against chassidim so that this may be completely exaggerated.
    secondly, because one crazy person bit….or screamt horrible things doesn’t mean that the other 798 protesters acted the same way… whenever you have a large crowd there will always be some lunatics.

    in no way do i condone such barbaric behavior and those that act this way should definately be held responsible.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    these guys are so wrong. cause a massive chillul hahshem, so ill mannered. enough is enough…i hope the policeman use rubber bullets on them next time!!!

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    there are so many people who hate us in the world. why can’t we try to get along. who are we to judge anyone. they don’t want to be religious that is between them and gd. I am so upset its trebbile to see jews fighting with jews .

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    One has to stand up against Shabbos desecration. I don’t know what really is going on in Yerushalayim, but, I am sure we are getting only a one sided anti chareidi view point. They should protest, but, quietly, non violently.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    i think its kind of sad how some people hate religion so much.”A secular group greeted lot’s visitors with flowers, cheering the police and taunting the protesters.” daven for them.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    There is nothing in the laws of EY or the city of Yerushalayim that requires jews to be shomrei shabbos. We can all wish they would and should reach out to show the beauty of shabos kodesh, but if Yiddin don’t want to observe, that is their choice in a democratic, non-theocratic society. Equally, the Chareidi have the right to peacefully protest, but any violence should be firmly surpressed.

    long beach bochur
    long beach bochur
    14 years ago

    Turn they’re electricity , plumbing, and water off . Dont let them ride on buses or use the banks . Then they wont have the Zionist government at all.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    These people need a life. If they had a job and responsibilities they wouldn’t have time or desire to act like this.

    If they go to their jobs on shabbos they won’t be moiche about chillul shabbos
    Makes sense

    kingsley   the chuchem
    kingsley the chuchem
    14 years ago

    When African Americans had riots in Los Angeles and other cities- white Americans
    reprisals took on the form of Moving to the suburbs and Newt Gingrich starting a counter movement for White America.. It ended welfare as we knew it in the US.
    All the government has to say is that they will end the draft exemption status for any “violent protestors” at these demonstrations and hold fast. Most of these people do not take government support so that is not an avenue.
    This will result in a large and catastrophic reprisal to the mostly innocent charedi populations in Israel. It mey happen in weeks, months or years but it will happen. When are all the chassidishe rebbes , to come out and protest the violence like the Mirer Rosh Yeshiva and Rav Hagaon moshe sternbuch had the courage to do???
    This will ruin their communities years from now if not stopped by all the rebbes, right away. The frum Chareidi community must greet the Jews of the Parking Lot with drinks kugel and Chulent and counter these violent demonstartors. Tens of Thousands may protest Shabbos but not viloently!!

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    Don’t buy a word of this report. I witnessed too many of those protests.
    never does any violence happen before the police uses brutal excessive force.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    I would like to hear a report from the other side also before posting a comment, it ain’t that simple.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    And more chillul hashem .these retards need to get a life and stop screwing things up .they r such aholes it pisses the hell out of me

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    I love the guys who talk about ahavas yisrael but have non to share with the protesters in the gemarah they have a frase for that it goes like this tol Korah mibein ainecha vd”l

    obamanation
    obamanation
    14 years ago

    all u civelized people that say this is wrong and that is wrong. can u come up with a differant solution?!?! when do u think it is or isn’t wright to do what they are doing. the problem is, is that the government does what what ever they want no matter what it is. happends to be that now its a shobbos issue. what will u say when they dig your grand parnts grave or some thing like that? will u than say they are nuts as well. this government are made up of jews with out torah witch the gemara says is worse than a goiy

    Chalmer
    Chalmer
    14 years ago

    “All the government has to say is that they will end the draft exemption status for any “violent protestors” at these demonstrations and hold fast.”

    This won’t work. The Yerushalmim don’t get a draft exemption, they get a “ptur,” usually based upon a fake doctor’s evaluation. There is no way to revoke a ptur, since it’s a one time thime

    Jerusalem
    Jerusalem
    14 years ago

    WHH

    Shame on all of you, really, hang your heads in shame! This country is run by gangsters and thugs, and for many years now has ensured that the long arm of the law sustained by foreign nations extends to the press as well. There is no so called “objective” journalism here in E.Y. If there were such a thing, where someone actually had the courage to report on the facts as they really are, there would be ramifications that are more suited to Islamic forms of justice rather than the comfortable western standards where issues can and are subjected to the rigor of debate. Don’t trust anything from the organized press of E.Y. Don’t believe a word of it. Look upon every word with a critical eye, and don’t run to judge your brothers, jumping on them like they are carrion of the field. Most of these so called “demonstrators” have family lines that far predate the “State”. They have endured terrible starvation, inhumane living conditions, pogroms by Arab mobs, racial profiling and suspension of human rights by the British, no civil liberties or civil rights, illegal Taxation and kidnapping for ransom, terrible and murderous police brutality, water rationing, a bucket a day for large families that wouldn’t sustain your Teaneck swimming pools. Many were murdered in the fight to establish E.Y. so that you Jews in the U.S. could claim a homeland as your own. How dare you, most of you anyway, wage such insolent and ridiculous charges against them without insight and without understanding of the facts? They understand the situation here much better than anyone here on this forum , which, I can assure you wouldn’t be considered more than its weight of a grain of salt by any one of these protesters. To hate and condemn is easy; much more difficult is to think. Where are the Wise? Do they simply disappear in the hour of need?

    Jerusalem
    Jerusalem
    14 years ago

    WHH

    To #9 “American Chevroner” You wrote; “As far as I know NO chevroner participated in these riots.”
    You, my Friend, have a great deal to learn, and in all honesty I can tell you that these people demonstrating in Jerusalem against the breach of Sanctity proposed by the secular political agenda of which Birkat is merely an agent, indeed these people could teach you and your communities in Chevron a thing or two. In your communities where the lines of right and wrong are blurry and where quizzlings and malshim dwell next to you shoulder to shoulder (See the recent Soros report as reported by Arutz Sheva), how are you able to move even one step beyond simply holding the fragile and tenuous thread of Jewish existence in Chevron? Are there not skyscrapers going up every month funded by Saudi money and allowed by the government as long as the palms of the relevant officials are properly greased? Are there not degenerate “UN” inspectors dwelling on the street corners of Chevron with large insects tattooed over their eyes who speak arrogantly about human rights violations in German and in front of TV cameras? Did not the government use Mercenary forces with foreign passports, soldiers of fortune for hire, to expel the residents of Peace House on the road from Kiryat Arba to Hebron because the IDF soldiers refused to do this unholy task?(See Walter Bingham’s report on the Peace House expulsions) Are your Caravan settlements in Hebron riddled with bulletholes from random shooting attacks by Arab snipers? How many Jews have been beaten and murdered in Hebron in the last ten years? Are you prevented from purchasing housing on the open market because of your Jewish religion? what law says no Jew is allowed to purchase property in Hebron, Eretz Yisroel?? Are you not forced to arm yourselves with machine guns in order to pray at the Machpelah? Even on Shabbos? What legitimate Jewish State would do this to you? Do you think you have a chance? What do the leaders of Hebron and Yesha propose to do under these untenable circumstances? do you think the government will rise to your cause? How can you sanctimoniously separate yourself from what is going on in Jerusalem, when you have many serious and at present hopelessly hefker issues facing you and your communities in Hebron? Do you know that the secular agenda is to Internationalize Jerusalem with all the worlds religions represented with equal say, equal power? For Shame! You have a lot to learn about what it really means to hold the lines from your Brothers in Jerusalem. They know an enemy when they see it.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    to all of you i dont know were you live but i am there every shabbes they do whats right to do coz it starts with a parking lot and ends with stores open and it helps they will closed soon you will see it cust them money every weekend

    art6991
    art6991
    14 years ago

    what a chillull Hashem
    that Ethiopian is a ger, a convert beloved of Hashem
    when you abuse the King’s most trusted servant, you cannot next expect preferential treatment (to put it lightly)
    i am what you may call “modern orthodox” i wear clothes that are tznius, i go out, i have an occupation and speak several languages, i love IKsrael and though i may not agree with the government and it’s choices, i think Israel has a lot to be proud of.
    “entebbe” for example, how many yidden would have been killed if not for the courageous acts of Yoni Netanyahu and his troops, these are the people that the ‘so frum’ chareidi ‘tzadikim’ are calleing nazis!
    i want them to think about the so called ‘nazis’ when the ‘enemies’ and ‘jew haters’ are on the front lines, risking their lives to make sure the chareidim sleep safe in their beds
    i hate discrimination but everyone i know has had enough, when a Jew acts like this you are not supposed to justify it, you condemn it, he is not part of you.
    the only way to help these righteous rioters is education, teaching them how to communicate with the wider Israeli public because discriminatory name calling, car smashing, garbage burning protests does not endear any one to the Chareidim.
    so you don’t want the carpark open? fine, organise a peaceful meeting with the developers, don’t use it during the week, try and explain to the non frum israelis the meaning of shabbos!

    Jerusalem
    Jerusalem
    14 years ago

    WHH
    To #41
    Right! The claim of a more “civilized” and “enlightened” form of Judaism is the work of the SATAN to increase divisiveness amongst our Nation. You aren’t like THOSE Jews, are you? And by the way, I live here, work here, and am proud to say Chareidi. We can meet and discuss the various difficulties you have with the history of Jerusalem, and E.Y. versus the current Matzav.

    bleeding bursht
    bleeding bursht
    14 years ago

    I don’t know if the charedim are right or wrong . In world war 2 there were ships that were turned back to nazI germany (or were told not to come ) because of some political ramblings . I call this nazi’ism .and I also call the excesive force used on charedim defending the abishters heiligeh shabos in the holy city of yerushalaim sadistic and yes like *nazis*

    Avrohom Abba
    Avrohom Abba
    14 years ago

    Shame on these fake Charedim!
    They are chillul Hashemniks.
    They are show offs who will only push more people away for Torah.
    Feh!

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    the police should throw such people into the sea

    thinker
    thinker
    14 years ago

    sometimes i wonder if yiddin acted like this in the shtetl- validating much of the anti semiism

    Truth in Jerusalem
    Truth in Jerusalem
    14 years ago

    Just got a first hand report from Yerushalayim, This article is absurd and totally twisted.
    First of all, the violence or rioting usually takes place after the demonstration is over, and while thousands and thousands of people are demonstrating, those so called violence or rioting is being done by a few dozen youngsters.
    the so called violence is a result and directly inflicted by the Israeli police, they use unbelievable force and police brutality of the worst form.
    It’s “routine procedure” for the police to come on horses with batons and huge sticks banging on the heads of protesters (may believe as to “control traffic”), tear gas and strong water cannons is routine for those uncivilized Jerusalem police, they regularly take people to arrest, and after putting them in shackles they would still put the handcuffed guy in choke position till he turns blue or white, pulling people by the feet dragging their heads on the rough floors, and much much more.
    Then comes the corrupt Israeli press, that are known with their extra “love” to charedim, and twist the report crying with crocodile tears: the charedim were violent against the “poor” police officers.
    Shame on all defending the monsters and brutal civil right predators, and opening their mouth against innocent charedi people.

    jancsi
    jancsi
    14 years ago

    in my opinpinion these chareidim think they are the smartest, the opposite is true they are so overcome by emotion that they are incapable of rational thinking and that is the root of all this rioting the tragedy is they cant admit it to themselfs the truth hurts all their lifes they were brainwashed into thinking their was is the only way to being religious and everyone else is fake or not really religious to change overnight is impossible someone needs to speak with their leaders before theese riots become even worse their isolation from the real world is working against them they actually think their world is the only way sad but true

    Jerusalem
    Jerusalem
    14 years ago

    WHH
    Shalom and Blessings Shmilku #46 ! I am #’s 37, 42,and 44. I can see I speak to an unarmed man so I will try to explain it carefully and simply for the many challenging misconceptions that inspire such vitriolic and hateful thoughts towards me.
    #1. The Mea Shearim, Beit Ungaria, Beis Yisroel and other surrounding communities predate the State of Israel.
    #2. The land that their dwellings are built on were purchased privately in the form of Trusts in order to maintain the sanctity of the Halacha.
    #3. Few people who live there actually own their own home but pay a small fee every month to the Trust of whatever neighborhood they live in. Its sort of like rent but isn’t the same legal status.
    #4. Most of the residents fiercely oppose any breach in the Sanctity of Jerusalem
    #5. It is due to the existence of these Trusts that gives Jerusalem its unique and distinctly Jewish character.
    #6. The families that live there also work, and might I add, work hard, although strictly within the Torah State framework.
    #7. Without their commitment to the Holy Torah, the Jewishness of this city would collapse.
    #8. I stand by every statement I made and can back up every statement with primary sources. Anyone who lives in Jerusalem can visit the archives in the basement of the Iryah for an exhaustive collection of letters, and primary source material predating the State of Israel, as well as documents freely available for public perusal in the collections of the National Library.
    #9. I work as a writer and an analyst here in Jerusalem. I am also Chareidi.
    #10 . You appear to have seriously impaired judgment, although one must have mercy on the many feeble minded amongst us, as this forum so eloquently illustrates.
    I wish you Blessings of Peace and Abundant Joy which is your sacred inheritance, and I remain here, in the Holy Land, The Land of Your Fathers and mine.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    if the police would not show up by these protests, there would be NO violence!

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    looks like some people just don’t believe that the BIGGEST SIN is chillel hashem

    Wow
    Wow
    14 years ago

    First of all, Kol Hakavod for those Chassidim getting out from their comfortable homes and going out there to save Jerusalaim from this disastrous Chillul Shabbes!
    Unfortunately personally i think, they could have achieved more by offering the police and people in to their lechtige Shabbes homes and singing zemiroth with the officers- that might have worked a bit better- But hey, whom am i to judge them? Sitting here comfotable from abroad adding my comments is surely not going to help to avoid chillul shabbes. So to all of those chassidim, my respect for trying something- and to all those that started loosing their heads to call the police nazis etc. : This surely wont bring Mashiach back!!